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Wednesday Night Live 8 January 2025

This lecture explores the legal and ethical disputes between actors Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively related to allegations of a hostile work environment during the film "It Ends With Us." The speaker discusses the implications of the Me Too movement, fame, and gender roles in Hollywood, as well as the complexities of abuse dynamics and the responsibilities of actors. The session emphasizes societal issues surrounding consent and media representation, inviting audience engagement to reflect on these important topics.

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Transcript
00:00So y'all can hear me just fine. I assume the light is going just fine and
00:06I am
00:08Happy to take questions comments issues challenges problems. Whatever is on your mind
00:12I'm happy to take you got to raise your hand and
00:16Just as we're waiting for all of that. I have a question. Oh, I have a question for you
00:23Do you care do you care about?
00:26Justin and Blake
00:30Do you care about Justin and Blake?
00:33So this is Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively. They were in a movie that actually reviewed
00:40Called it ends with us and
00:42They are going through a pretty wild
00:45Me too thing at the moment and it is a little bit of a rabbit hole
00:50It is my daughter's involved in a mock trial
00:53so
00:54It is interesting to me. I've done some reading on it
00:57But of course, I want to make sure that it's interesting to you guys
01:02Just hit me with a why if you want me to
01:05Delve into that because I think there's a lot of philosophical juicy content in that
01:10But it also may not be to everyone's tastes and I'm kind of aware of that. So you can
01:15Let me know. I'll just check here in the chat. And again, if you have questions or comments, I'm happy to hear
01:22You've not heard of them. What's going on? We've got some yeses. We've got some yeses
01:27So it's a 2016 novel called it ends with us and
01:32Blake Lively who is best known for Gossip Girl. I don't think she's much of an actress, but she's cute and
01:38Has some charisma Blake Lively, of course. She is the wife of
01:42Ryan on Ryan Reynolds and
01:44Then there's this unknown guy. Honestly, I think I'm a fairly decent judge of male attractiveness because you know
01:52I get to shave every day, but
01:55Justin Beldoni, by the way is a scrumptious
01:59Sicilian piece of
02:01Tasty man meat. He is a very very good-looking guy. He's got this this whole
02:06Agamemnon, you know Roman Greek
02:09Hero thing going on great physique and a really good actor. He was a really good actor in that
02:14movie, so
02:16When the movie was being filmed that actually went on hiatus for a while because there was a massive amount of tension
02:22Between apparently between Blake Lively and Justin
02:25Baldoni now, I think she's wanted to sue him for a while
02:29But in order to launch a lawsuit against this kind of harassment stuff in California, I think it is
02:33I know they filed some in New York some of the allegations take place in New York
02:36You actually have to file with their like board their government board and then they have I don't know 60 days or something like that
02:43To review it and if they decide to go ahead
02:46Then and only then I think I'm no lawyer
02:48But this is my understanding then and only then can you actually pursue a lawsuit. So that's so that's going on now
02:56What is going on allegations of sexual harassment and a hostile work?
03:02Environment. Let's just get through some of the facts and then we would get into the philosophy which I find fascinating
03:08So Blake Lively has accused Justin
03:12Baldoni none of this stuff is proven. Of course, right? Of course
03:16He she's accused Baldoni of creating a hostile work environment during the filming of the movie she says he engaged in inappropriate behavior
03:23including showing nude images
03:26discussing his alleged pornography addiction making inappropriate comments about her weight and
03:31Entering her trailer uninvited while she was undressed
03:34She also alleges that Baldoni improvised unwanted physical interactions like kissing and lip-biting during
03:40Filming so after lively raised these concerns she alleges that Baldoni and his crack team of PR gnomes
03:48Retaliated by orchestrating a social manipulation or smear campaign intended to damage her reputation
03:54so they hired a crisis management team to spread negative narratives about lively on social media platforms, including reddit and through media manipulation and
04:02There are these text messages between Baldoni's PR team discussing strategies to bury lively's reputation
04:08She like most pretty famous women has some sort of hair product line or something like that and
04:14She says that it suffered like 40% or 45% or something like that drop in sales because there's a funny thing
04:21I don't know if you can discuss this with the women in your life
04:24It's a little incomprehensible to me, but that's the glories of female life
04:28For a lot of women in order to buy celebrities products. You have to like them. I
04:33Don't I don't quite understand that myself. I mean I
04:37Don't have to like a surgeon if he's I just need I just need him to be a good surgeon
04:42Right. I don't need to like my dentist as a person
04:45I don't need to agree with all of her values or his values. They just need to be good dentistry, right?
04:50But this lifestyle branding stuff
04:53you have to have a positive image in the minds of women in order for them to buy from you and
04:58No matter how much they claim to quote love your products if they have a negative view of you
05:03They will stop buying your products. This is one of the reasons why this sort of cancel culture stuff has emerged is
05:11That women won't buy from people they don't like and therefore if someone is portrayed as unlikable
05:17That harms that person's economic activity and also whoever hosts or platforms them there
05:21It's just a funny thing about women that they have to like someone's products in order to buy them now
05:26I can't I kind of get that as a whole in some ways like if some real criminal horrible organization
05:31You can boycott them and all of that. But as far as this goes, right, this is just sort of a a big deal now
05:38So Blake Lively as I mentioned she filed this formal complaint with the California Civil Rights Department
05:42And later a lawsuit in New York federal court against Baldoni his production company Wayfarer Studios and others for sexual harassment and retaliation
05:50Baldoni responded by filing a 250 million dollar lawsuit against the New York Times for libel because the New York Times wrote about this
05:56Claiming their article on Lively's allegations was based on cherry-picked and altered communications
06:01He also plans to counter sue lively Blake Lively. She manipulated her own narrative to salvage a public image. So I
06:08mean, I've been featured three pictures of me featured on the front page of the New York Times Sunday edition and
06:15I would not say that it was I would say my memories of what they were describing different to different significantly from their portrayals
06:21that would be the nice way of putting it right and
06:25it's interesting because
06:27The emojis some of the emojis according to Baldoni's team some of the emojis were stripped, right?
06:33so if
06:34You write I'm gonna kill Bob and then you put a clown face in obviously you're not serious, right?
06:39I could just kill Bob and then you put a clown face in right?
06:41Whereas if you take the clown face out it alters the tenor
06:45Significantly of the communications and it's a kind of funny thing like in the modern world
06:49emojis matter
06:51Emojis matter right? So some of the emojis were stripped some stuff was taken out of
06:55Context, right?
06:57so
06:58Lively says that Baldoni exhibited disturbing and unprofessional behavior on the set of the film
07:04Baldoni and producer Jamie Heath entered a trailer uninvited while she was undressed or breastfeeding
07:10Now their defense is that they have a text from Blake Lively saying I'm pumping. Let's talk about the movie
07:15Like I'm just sitting here pumping. Let's talk about the movie
07:18So I who knows if there are other instances
07:20but of course if the woman says I'm breast pumping and come let's talk about the movie and then you come into her
07:27trailer and
07:28Then she later says my god you came in while I was undressed or breastfeeding. That's not good
07:33I mean whatever right? That's that's certainly not good. Now. There was a scene in the movie
07:38I don't know if it made it in final movie
07:40There was film that was being seen like some movies had 10 to 1 or 20 to 1 shooting to
07:44Final ratio Blake Lively says that Baldoni improvised physical intimacy without prior discussion of choreography and without an intimacy coordinator
07:52I guess an intimacy coordinator is someone who keeps track of what's who's touching what?
07:57so there was a scene in the movie where there's a slow dance and
08:01it's a big heightened romance lovey-dovey thing and
08:04She says that he was and there was no sound being recorded because it was just a dance and they added music later
08:09I guess and she complained that he
08:12Kissed her ear or something like that and whispered something in her ear and so on and
08:19That this was not discussed ahead of time in other words
08:22He improvised kissing her and I think he gently bit her lower lip or something like that and she found this
08:29appalling
08:30Yeah, I don't really know what to say about that
08:33if
08:34two people
08:36are supposed to have a
08:38Passionate love affair a hotly charged sexually charged passionate love affair and
08:47He's only supposed to touch a
08:49Particular part of her face or he's not supposed to whisper anything
08:51I mean you're supposed to get in the moment and those little moments in movies. I'm not defending what he did, right?
08:57I'm just saying that those little moments in movies if she's not expecting something to happen and it happens
09:03You can get these quite powerful and sometimes delightful moments in movies, right? So there's a sort of famous bit in the movie
09:11pretty woman with Richard Gere and
09:13Horsey McHorseface, what's her name? Julia Roberts and Julie Roberts was kind of new
09:18I think she'd only done mystic pizza before I'm sad that I know these things, but I do and
09:22Richard Gere
09:23Offered her a necklace and then when she was reaching for it
09:26You know, he slammed the the box the necklace box shut and she really giggled and that was a really charming moment
09:32She has got a great laugh, although she's full of proto-feminist rage in my view. She has got a great laugh
09:39Other things seem to go too far on the set of Last Tango in Paris with a Marxist director
09:46there are allegations that the
09:48anal sex scene between Marlon Brando and the actress was not quite as
09:53Faked as it possibly should have been who knows what the truth is about that
09:57But that obviously would be an improv that would be absolutely terrible appalling evil and immoral
10:02but
10:03You know if you say we Pat we kiss passionately and he nibbles on her lower lip and she finds this highly offensive and problematic
10:11You know, it's it's tough
10:12It's a tough call man
10:13If you're selling, you know hot sex sex appeal romance and and devotion and excitement and all that kind of stuff if the guy
10:20Nibbles on your lower lips. It's hard to view that in my view right just my particular opinion
10:24It's kind of hard to view that as you know, absolutely
10:28absolutely terrible
10:30So the other thing I've heard is that I think it came from the New York Times and this is you know off-memory
10:35So forgive me if I've gotten astray on this maybe James you can check it out
10:39But I think that Boldoni was saying that he got an email or the the New York Times reporter sent an email
10:45You know late at night on Friday around Christmas saying we're publishing
10:50Tomorrow or whatever it was and that he you know, we've reviewed the New York Times says we've reviewed thousands of pages of documents
10:56You can't possibly do that in time for the article to get reviewed
11:01it's not an uncommon thing among reporters to
11:05Send you a message shortly before
11:08the article is published
11:09giving you very little time to respond if you're even checking your email late at night on a Friday around Christmas and
11:15Then say well, you know, we because they have to stay have to give you the opportunity to respond
11:20So what we gave him the opportunity to respond, but he didn't
11:23So that's one of these things where the letter of the law is quite different from what is actually
11:29happening, right so
11:32What does what does all of this mean
11:35There was a battle over the final cut not the last Pink Floyd album
11:39but there was a battle over the final cut Blake Lively had a final cut and
11:43Jason Boldoni had a final cut now. I saw the one in the movie. I don't know
11:50You know who's that was I think it was probably I imagine it was probably
11:54Blake Lively's cut but you know, there's there's a challenge, right? There's a real challenge
11:59For actors, which is why you kind of need a director. So the real challenge for actors is
12:04And I'm not talking about these actors in particular, but you know just in general
12:08Let's just take a sort of parallel universe where it's a movie with a different title and different actors, right?
12:14so in order for a story of
12:18Abuse within a
12:20Relationship to be meaningful and believable. It can't just be
12:25Noble woman bad guy like it. It cannot be that
12:29Right. I mean, it's one of the brilliance of a streetcar named desire is to stand Kowalski. Sadly Kowalski is quite admirable
12:36He's he's assertive. He's dominant. He's sexual. He's
12:40Strong he's outspoken. He's you know, he's he's there's some admirable qualities some
12:45Cheery or cheering a cheerful qualities to him some charming qualities to him because if the guy is just a complete
12:52Asshole from start to finish and has no redeeming qualities
12:56Then it makes no sense for the woman to be with him
12:59He has to have some redeeming qualities and in abuse in abusive relationships. There's often a cycle right where
13:06the guy is super nice and
13:08Then something happens his mood gets worse and then he ends up
13:12Assaulting the woman if it's going this way could go the other way, of course and then afterwards
13:16He's really apologetic. He brings her flowers. She has all this power over him
13:20Maybe they have great makeup sex or whatever and then he's really apologetic
13:25I'll never do it again and he's really sorry and and he may mean it even within his own mind and then this sort of
13:30Cycle begins again. So
13:32the temptation for an actress who's concerned about her
13:36Curating her popularity the temptation for the actress would be to portray herself as a noble heroic victim who does no wrong
13:44Right. No, but the problem is that's not art
13:47That's propaganda and that problem is you really really want to speak to the women. Let's just take the traditional gender roles again
13:53I know that can be worse
13:55You really really want to speak to the women?
13:57who are being abused and
14:00speaking to the women who are being abused and
14:03saying that
14:05They are completely noble heroic victims who never do anything wrong is not getting into the proper dynamics of
14:12abuse, right
14:13Because abuse is often
14:17Verbal versus physical, right?
14:18So this typical example would be the woman who verbally attacks a man verbally abuses a man and then he lashes out
14:26Violently now, I'm a free speech guy. You should be able to say what you want to people
14:29You should never be hit for it. So I'm not trying to talk about the ethics of it
14:32I'm talking about the mechanics of it, you know
14:34But if a woman is blocking a man's exit for a room and screaming in his face that you know
14:41He's a piece of shit and his mother is a whore
14:43Well, I mean as a man as a man if I do that to a man
14:48I'm gonna get hit like I just I mean I'm gonna get hit
14:51As a man, we understand that words lead to violence, which is why we watch what we say
14:56I mean this used to be the case that if you insulted someone's honor, they'd shoot your kneecap off in a duel the next morning
15:03right
15:04So as men, we know we know for an absolute fact if you say certain stuff you're gonna get hit
15:10Say, oh, we'll free speech and I agree with all of that. Absolutely
15:13But as a man, we know that we just know right?
15:17We just we just know that right?
15:20I think women know that too
15:22But then they can more easily say I was hit and of course they were hit and hitting is wrong
15:26They're hitting is absolutely wrong
15:28But
15:29It's sort of like if I go into some biker bar and start screaming insults at the bikers
15:36I'm probably gonna get hit. I
15:38mean
15:40Just hit me with a why if you're a man and you kind of you kind of grok what I'm saying
15:44I just I don't want to over explain it
15:46But as a guy if you run your mouth, you're gonna get popped, right?
15:50I mean to do does that just hit me with a wife that makes a sense to you if you kind of follow that
15:56Logic that if you if you're really
15:58Verbally abusive and aggressive if you really trash-talk people if you you know
16:03If you go up to some guy who's maybe a little drunk and so on and you say, you know
16:09I saw your girlfriend running a train with the football team. She's a total whore. You're gonna get hit. I
16:15mean, we're aware of that as men and
16:19Women want to be equal which means now whoever hits you is in the wrong. I mean, please understand
16:24I'm not saying that it's right. I really want to be clear about this. Whoever hits you is in the wrong
16:31In the same way that if I leave my wallet on a park bench in Central Park for a long weekend
16:37And I come back whoever took my wallet is wrong. You shouldn't take the wallet
16:42But I should also not leave my wallet for a long weekend in
16:47In Central Park, right? I mean, it's one of these things and it's it's a kind of funny thing that
16:53People kind of know instinctively like in certain situations
16:57Maybe in certain neighborhoods or among certain kinds of people, you know, like drunks or whatever in
17:03In certain situations your chances of being acted on criminally can be almost a hundred percent
17:10You know you you walk through a really bad neighborhood carrying
17:14brand new and like sealed ps5 in a box or
17:19A clear backpack full of cash, then your odds of being preyed upon
17:23You know virtually hundred percent you can do that kind of stuff in Japan
17:26Maybe but in certain rough neighborhoods in certain places, you know, you your odds of being preyed upon are almost a hundred percent
17:35so
17:36in order for to really speak to the women who are being
17:41abused
17:43We cannot just portray them as noble heroic saints who are victims and never do anything wrong
17:48That might appeal to their vanity and they're set but it makes them feel helpless
17:52We have to say that there is something
17:56That is wrong in your mentality that you stay in a situations where you may get abused out of nowhere
18:02You may also verbally provoke the abuse which again is not to justify the physical abuse
18:06But this is as men we just kind of know this stuff
18:09So if an actress has final cut over a movie, she's gonna want to portray herself as positively as possible
18:16Right, there was some movie with Barbra Streisand. She was the director with Nick Nolte
18:20I can't remember what it was about abuse and and you know that the
18:25Endless shots of her looking pretty and her thin legs
18:29and I think her daughter her son played violin in it and like it just turned into a
18:34Streisand fest, right?
18:36So if if the actress has the final cut
18:39she's gonna want to portray herself as as positive as possible and make the guy as bad as possible and that's not a
18:46genuine deep human artistic exploration of the cycle of abuse of
18:51the cycle of abuse
18:53So Baldoni, I think at the premiere had to sit in his basement or in a basement with a bunch of other people
18:59he was the director I think of the producer so it was kind of supposed to be his his movie and
19:05It just didn't play out that way at all and I again let me just
19:10Look this up, right? Let me just check this who got the final who who got the final cut in
19:18the movie
19:21It ends with us
19:24And never had the nerve to make the final cut. Oh
19:28That's right. There is a oh
19:31Oh
19:33A I generated answer, please verify critical facts. Wait, where's Iboga?
19:39Whoo. I don't want to do that
19:40The final cut of the movie it ends with us was reportedly influenced by Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
19:45According to reports there were two different cuts of the film one commissioned by lively in another by Baldoni
19:50It's not entirely clear which version was ultimately released in theaters
19:52But it seems that elements from both cuts were likely incorporated into the final version that audiences saw
19:57So that's interesting
19:59So my guess would be that he wanted something which was more human both people making mistakes one person more outrageously the other person more
20:07subtly and
20:08She wanted him being her being a kind of real real hero and all of that
20:15so
20:17Let's talk about some of the philosophy behind behind all of this
20:22so
20:23Again, I like Justin Baldoni obviously very charismatic guy. Very good-looking guy. I was tempted
20:28I was tempted to say I believe him because he's a man believe all men
20:32I mean, that's obviously a bit trolley, right? We have to wait to get data and
20:37Facts information arguments text context, you know, no cherry-picking no this that and the other
20:42so
20:43But it would be you know to say well, I just believe I just believe him because he's a man
20:48But the interesting thing about Baldoni is he made a movie?
20:54about a female saint and a mean guy
20:57In other words, he made a very sexist movie about a bad man and an angelic woman
21:05Well, I guess he's learned something now hasn't he?
21:08Because if his defenses are correct
21:12then
21:13Blake Lively is abusing him through a variety of
21:17legal and quasi legal and media mechanisms if
21:21Right if it's a big if if his defenses are valid
21:25then he made a movie about a terrible guy and an
21:30Angelic woman and then he ends up in real life with a terrible woman and an angelic guy
21:36If he's right if his defenses
21:39Hold up, right if if she has unjust allegations against him
21:43then he operated in a realm of fantasy of female virtue and male evil and
21:48Now he's being taught quite a lesson if he's right and I'm sure you know, he would make this case
21:54Well, this is the universe trying to teach people a lesson in its own way
21:58Obviously, I don't believe that in any literal way
22:00But he's learned something now, isn't he if he was a bit of a gender betrayer?
22:04In other words, he was gynocentric and worshipped the women and the men are bad and the women are angels
22:10well
22:11Then he cut the possibility of female corruption and female evil and if his defenses are correct
22:16And if he's being unjustly accused then he's learning something
22:20About female corruption and male innocence
22:24right
22:25Which I think is pretty wild and pretty
22:30Powerful and we'll find out now
22:33It's a funny thing, you know, one of the things that happened and this is a I think it was a 2018 interview or something
22:40like that
22:41but
22:42Something happened and I think the allegations are that
22:47Justin Baldoni's PR team and sorry dug up this interview. Let me just get the details on it. Sorry
22:53I forgot to get this one, but it was an interview where she was perceived to have
22:58attacked a
23:01Reporter and
23:03The reporter is an entertainment reporter and multimedia producer producer
23:10originally from Norway
23:12And she was oh gosh, this is again probably I don't know six years ago or something like that
23:18She was in an interview or she was interviewing Blake Lively
23:22now Blake Lively
23:24Let's see
23:25The video went viral the title is the Blake Lively interview that made me want to quit my job
23:31So over the summer flower posted an old interview to her YouTube channel with that
23:35Title the video which went viral and has amassed nearly six million views since August was filmed in 2016
23:40Sorry, not 2018 while Blake Lively was doing press for Woody Allen's cafe society. Now you see
23:45so
23:46She is very concerned about any kind of unpleasant director
23:51But Woody Allen is totally fine
23:55So flower said Lively's dismissive behavior during the sit-down contributed to the most uncomfortable interview situation I've ever experienced
24:02So, let me just see here
24:05But so I just want to get a little bit of this is all the stuff about all of this so the interview is
24:15She's saying admiring Blake Lively's a baby bump right back in sort of 20
24:222016 right so she is
24:26Complimenting Blake Lively's baby bump and Blake Lively rather nastily in my humble opinion
24:32Snapped back. I like your baby bump too, even though this
24:36Norwegian
24:38Reporter is not pregnant and as far as I understand it has had a great deal of difficulty getting pregnant. So
24:45That's not good, right? So she congratulated Blake Lively. She was then 28 years old on her little bump and
24:51Blake Lively sarcastically responded congrats on your little bump
24:56well
24:57that is
24:59Something now there was I don't know if it's the same interview or another interview, but there's another interview
25:04where Blake Lively is
25:07Upset by being asked about her clothing
25:10Right, so she's upset
25:13about
25:15Being asked about her clothing and she's basically what you ask any of the men about their clothing
25:19It's like because men could wear garbage lids and nobody would nobody would care
25:25men are rarely asked how they
25:28Who they're wearing, right
25:30so
25:32Fla yes, she asked the duo
25:34Blake Lively and
25:37Fla then says she thought the film set in 1930s Hollywood is visually amazing
25:42This is the Woody Allen film and asks. Did you guys like wearing those clothes in the film? Oh
25:48This is it Parker Posey was in it and break life
25:51He said everyone must talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes. I would replies fla
25:57Lively and Posey then begin chatting to each other about the costumes worn by the men on the movie
26:02It's not just the women that have the clothes, but I feel like the women get the conversation lively ads
26:08so
26:10That's not very good. Right and the fact that women like when you're agreeing to do PR
26:16for a film
26:17Women are gonna be interested in the clothing, right?
26:20They are I mean not men but women are going to be interested the clothing so it's a female issue as a whole and
26:28Of course immediately people dug up other Blake like lively interviews where she's happily chatting about the clothes she wore
26:35Right, so it's not some sort of big principle that she has
26:39right, so
26:41Whether this was part of this, I don't know have people turn against Blake Lively
26:45I'm sure that will all come out in the lawsuit as a whole
26:49But I I find it interesting with this kind of stuff because
26:53Justin Baldoni is kind of an unknown. I didn't know who the guy was
26:56Although I'm sure I dreamt about him when I was younger, but I don't know the guy was again
27:00He was very good in the movie good actor and great hair great physique and great. He's got like world-class
27:07intergalactic Olympic stubble
27:09I mean that's like the kind of stubble that iron filings would want to mate with on a regular basis and probably have actually
27:15How you make battleships from that jawline so
27:18the idea that Justin Baldoni in his first major starring role with a fairly certifiable B-list movie star that he's going to
27:27He's gonna intimidate her. He's going to make it toxic and uncomfortable and difficult. I mean, come on, man. I mean
27:35Ryan Reynolds her husband is a certifiable a-list movie star. And so it's the you know, one of the ultimate Hollywood power couples
27:43She's but they both have insanely high Q ratings. So the idea that this relative unknown
27:48Would be creating this hostile toxic weird sexualized working environment
27:54For one of the well for one of the most powerful Hollywood couples post Brangelina breakup
27:59It's just kind of incomprehensible. Like why why would he do that? Why would he do that?
28:04Now men, all right, let's let's be frank here, right? Let's be frank here
28:10Let us not talk falsely now because the hour is getting late, okay men, I'm gonna say yes, I'm gonna say yes men
28:17Have you ever made?
28:19inappropriate jokes in a work environment
28:22Have you ever I have I absolutely have have you ever made inappropriate jokes in a work environment?
28:29Yes, yes
28:31yes, so men joke about inappropriate things and
28:36The reason that men joke about inappropriate things is that we are checking
28:40T levels right because we need to know if a fight breaks out whether you have my back
28:46So if you're like that's inappropriate, right then you're not coming on the hunting trip and you sure as shit and not coming to war
28:53So men have course jokes and I write about this in the hunting trip on in my novel the present, right?
28:59So men have course jokes because we need to check the masculinity of the people around us
29:04Right, there was that sort of cold-eyed
29:07young blonde
29:08Guy who was debating the people the conservatives in the round and so on
29:12He was on some woman's podcast and she said the word retarded and he's like, well, we don't really we don't want to use that
29:17Word and he's like, oh, come on. She's like, oh, come on. Don't be ridiculous. I'm gonna say whatever the hell I want, right?
29:22so
29:24Men will make course jokes because we need to know we need to know whether or not people are fragile and
29:32Low testosterone and
29:34this doesn't just magically change in the workplace and
29:38To be honest, I mean the jokes that I've made a couple of somewhat risky jokes
29:44over the course of my
29:45Youthful career. I'm telling you man some of the stuff that I've heard in the business world
29:53Would make you faint. I mean didn't make me faint because of the massive testosterone I got going on, but it would it would make you faint
30:00And
30:01The stuff you hear in the locker room and look women can be course as well
30:05I get all of that and I'm not even saying that course is necessarily bad, right? I mean we are earthy
30:10Squishy, you know fluid based machines, so I don't mind the coarseness but some of the conversation
30:16I mean, I I remember having a boss once who you know, I'm fairly okay with the risque jokes
30:22But I was just like holy crap man, you know, every time he opened his mouth when there was a woman around
30:27I just wanted to
30:28Take a toilet plunger and shut him up
30:30Although he knew when and when not right? But yeah, it was like some of the stuff can get really really like
30:36Canterbury tales
30:38Ribald ribald would be the word, right?
30:40so
30:42There's going to be course jokes. There is now
30:45Blake lively says that justin baldoni talked about his prior
30:51Relationships and that he intimated that some of them were not fully consensual or whatever it is, right?
30:56I don't know. I mean at this point if she's saying that he came into her trailer
31:00Without her permission when she was breastfeeding
31:03But it turns out she invited him over because she was pumping if that's the case, right?
31:06There may be other instances. I don't know right?
31:08But then I I wouldn't believe anything like there's a law principle
31:12Like if you lie in one thing you're assumed to be lying in everything, right?
31:15so if
31:17Something is taken out of context, right?
31:20If you say well in the bible, it says there is no god, right?
31:22Whereas the actual quote in the bible is the fool in his heart has said there is no god, right?
31:26so if
31:27You're found to be lying in one thing if you're found to be cherry-picking and taking things out of context in one thing
31:32Then you are assumed to be lying in everything. That's a principle
31:36of law as a whole
31:38and
31:40so
31:41If he it could be the case that he was role-playing
31:45Right. It's to to be in a character. That's not that's quite different from yourself
31:50Takes a fair amount of a real concentration
31:53And if you're in character
31:55It's tough to go out of character and get back into character, right?
31:59and this sort of famously when
32:02Val kilmer was playing jim morrison in the movie the doors, which should have been a whole lot better than it was
32:07But when val kilmer is playing he famously like stayed in character. It's just easier to stay in character
32:12You know, he slouched he scowled he snarled he sneered all that kind of stuff
32:16like if you were playing mick jagger in a movie doing that sort of
32:20Skinny-legged peacock struck struck you'd want to stay in character
32:23You wouldn't want to jump out of it and then jump back into it and just staying in character is a whole lot easier
32:28so maybe they were doing some
32:30Ad lib of or improv where he was talking about his past relationships as the character who was sexually aggressive
32:36Maybe I don't know. I don't know but the fascinating thing is and this is something that
32:41Baldoni's lawyer has pointed out is that look this is all on film
32:45I personally personally
32:47personally, I find it ridiculously precious if an actress says
32:52well
32:53I took on a job
32:56As the hot sexy love interest of a guy who's sexually obsessed with me
33:01But I can't have him nibble on my lip. That's inappropriate
33:04I gotta tell you
33:06for me for me
33:07I I don't
33:09I mean, that's that's like an actor taking a role in a war movie and then complaining that there's some loud sounds and smoke around
33:15I just don't I mean that's what you're paid for and if you don't want to do that, that's fine
33:20But then don't take the role then you can play mrs
33:23Miniver or or something like that, right? You can you can go and do a jane austen story. There's nothing wrong with that. So
33:30I find that odd another complaint that she had which I found somewhat bizarre is that I don't I assume that justin baldoni is
33:37Religious and
33:39He was talking about his dead father and how I assume he communes with his dead father prays to his dead father
33:44And she found this creepy and she banned him from talking about his dead father
33:50Okay
33:52I mean
33:54This is who he is. This is what he's talking about, right?
33:57If it's a pornography addiction, right? Obviously, he should not have been talking about his pornography
34:02Addiction, right? That's not a good thing to talk about. It's not relevant to the movie
34:07and that's not a good thing to talk about but and I you know, I I I can't think of a particularly
34:14good reason
34:16As to why you would talk about that in the movie
34:18So if that's the case, I can you know
34:20I can understand why that would be upsetting to her and troubling to her that would make
34:24That would make sense to me. But again, if you're a man you've heard a thousand times worse than any of this stuff
34:30Oh tim says i've heard people have difficulties working with ryan reynolds
34:34Uh, too, I mean this is a guy he's a just
34:37enormous
34:38enormous charisma
34:40And a good looking guy too. One of these guys who can totally pull off glasses, which is uh,
34:46admirable in its own pathetic
34:48sort of silly way
34:50so
34:52Let me just check here and blank lively. I just want to check this
34:57baldoni
34:59father
35:00No, it's not blandoni. It's baldoni
35:03Or baldoni belders belders belders only gate three. All right. Hang on
35:09Don't the father. All right
35:12All right, there we go
35:20All right
35:21yeah, so this is uh, they think is
35:25The ai thinks is justin baldoni's father
35:28involved
35:29crazy stuff man
35:32So yeah baldoni has outlined his allegations against lively in an 87 page lawsuit
35:38And the of course they're running in opposition to lively's claims and this is a big question, right? If you're publicly attacked
35:44Are you allowed to defend yourself?
35:46So baldoni claims he was steamrolled on set by lively's constant attempts to change things about the film and was aggressively berated by lively's husband
35:53ryan reynolds over a misunderstanding about fat shaming
35:56And said that lively persistently tried to overstep baldoni in the editing process
36:00Now if you're hired as an actor
36:03Then you're hired as an actor not as a director not as a producer
36:06I think she was an executive producer, but I also think in hollywood an executive producer is lower status than an actual producer
36:11It's just like a title that people give to try and get a point or two from
36:15the movie, right
36:17now
36:19I get that actors are supposed to advocate for their character
36:22But you can't change the story as a whole as an actor. Now you did the whole thing, right?
36:29So what else
36:31Oh, yeah, so
36:33The lawsuit also claims this is baldoni's lawsuit claims that ryan oldson, right reynolds
36:37and lively
36:39Pressured talent agency wme
36:42to drop baldoni
36:44Although the agency has since refuted the claim that the couple was involved in his decision to separate from the actor
36:50Yeah, I mean unfortunate thing is it's just mob mentality. It's all innocent the innocence until proven guilty stuff. It just doesn't
36:56It doesn't matter
36:58so
36:59Baldoni countered lively's claims
37:02That he created a hostile work environment instead alleging it was she who threw tantrums on set and issued ultimatums to studio executives
37:09Including the one that ended in baldoni's cut of the film being shelved in favor of a version of the movie. She edited
37:15so
37:16Now the weight thing is interesting, right? I mean
37:19actresses live and die
37:21By five or ten pounds like it used to be the case if you wanted to be a stewardess
37:24I don't think they still do this anymore
37:25but you had to have a weigh-in right you couldn't weigh more because the planes and
37:28Fuel and and all of that and you know
37:30Just in general the more attractive the woman is the more compliant men are and so you want a more attractive woman
37:38in a flight taking care of possibly unruly men because men will be
37:43More compliant and submissive to more attractive women. So it's actually kind of a safety issue to have
37:48Slender attractive women as i'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that that's just sort of a basic
37:54A basic fact and I remember
37:56Uma thurman in one of I think it was in the kill bill
38:00She had a kid and she just could not lose the weight
38:02She just could not lose the weight to fit in that sort of banana skin sight banana skin suit
38:07That she wore in the movie. I've never seen it, but i've seen the posters
38:10and
38:12Shania twain had to lose a bunch of weight in order to go back on tour
38:16This this whole thing with and and jason baldoni again. He's got a great physique
38:20He's one of the guys who's actually allowed to have chest hair. He's got abs, you know, just a great physique
38:26so obviously he'd work like crazy to be in
38:29Fantastic shape for the movie and you know, she's had what four kids or something like that
38:34I get it's really tough and and you know, it's it's really hard work
38:38but his concern
38:40Was that I think right? So let me just double check this
38:44Justin baldoni
38:46He's a lot younger than her right?
38:49Age what is justin baldoni's age?
38:51He is
38:54No, no, no. No, he's just young looking
38:57he's just
38:58Young looking so he's uh 40 as of now
39:01So I guess he was 38 and and she was 35 when they were making the movie, but he looks very young
39:06And like good for him man. Holy crap. What is he?
39:10Does he like sleep in a vat of dracula juice or something to keep the youthful look and also, you know
39:15Having abs over 40 or having abs at 40 is is pretty impressive
39:19so
39:20I think that there was some concern that she looked older
39:23than he did and so and and he obviously did not want her to be
39:28Overweight because he's like in the movie. He's a doctor and he's super good looking and so for the relationship to be believable
39:34She's going to have to be very attractive because he's not a virtuous guy in the movie
39:37So he's not just going to be attracted to her virtue
39:40He's going to have to be attracted to her physically and you want that sort of hot sexy love affair stuff to
39:45Make the abuse a little bit more
39:48Like to make her attraction to him
39:51Despite his volatility more more believable. So did he talk to her about her weight?
39:57well
39:58Probably because he's the director and producer and star so he probably is going to talk to her
40:03about her weight
40:05so
40:07You know if you're signing on for your sexiness
40:10then
40:12Doesn't it matter how much you weigh?
40:14I mean, doesn't it?
40:16I mean, do you think that Magic Mike?
40:19The guy who was in Magic Mike, do you think he got to just eat?
40:22I mean when when they were filming I mentioned this before on the show
40:25They were filming Top Gun 2 and they did the volleyball scene and then they got the lighting wrong or the camera
40:31Something was wrong with the camera and then they had to basically starve themselves and be dehydrated for another
40:37Week or two and like guys were half in tears because they had to go another week or two
40:41Being that hungry and that dehydrated to look that good in those scenes, right? So do you think that
40:48Tom Cruise wasn't nagging at people to keep their weight low for that those kinds of scenes
40:52Of course they were. I mean, it's just a thing man
40:55It's a thing
40:56What's that old line from friends? The camera adds 10 pounds. How many cameras want you at that time?
41:01Right. Yeah, it's it's a thing. I mean I feel
41:06Not overweight, but you know every now and then i'll i'll see a video of myself. I'm like, oh
41:10Hey little tumblr, right? It just you know, it's a thing, right? So or or
41:15In a movie with Meg Ryan and a very young Matt Damon
41:18He was on like a steady diet of like nothing but fish and and and because he had to be super skinny
41:24For that role and then you see him kind of chunky out afterwards because he likes to eat
41:28It's the same thing you see Harrison Ford in between movies and he's got a pot belly and right
41:33So yeah lose weight for the movie lose weight for the movie lose weight for the movie
41:37That's a thing and and you know for a woman who's getting by I think more on looks in my opinion more on looks than
41:43raw acting talent
41:45uh, you know to to say, uh, it's fat shaming it's like
41:49But that's the thing. I mean, you don't think that happens in the fashion industry
41:53you have to
41:55Wear a donna karen shirt in some new york fashion shoot or some runway
41:59You don't think that they're nagging you you don't you don't think it happens in ballet
42:03Or anything like my god, you're gonna be kidding me
42:07I mean fighters literally weigh in that important it is right? So I don't know I just find that stuff
42:12It's really precious to to complain too much
42:15About this weight thing. Yes, you're gonna have to be slender for the role and I get I mean it's tough after four kids
42:22I sympathize
42:24But that's the deal right if you want
42:26to not have that
42:28Then I mean do you think that jennifer garner wasn't concerned about keeping slim during her alias days, right?
42:35of course she was
42:36and
42:37there are
42:38contracts in movies as far as I understand it where
42:41You are only allowed a certain variance in weight and that's also partly because
42:45If you put on 10 if it's a four month shoot and you put on 5 or 10 pounds, then you're gonna look different
42:51Over the course of that shoot right because the camera's right in your nose, right? So you have to maintain a pretty
42:57Consistent weight over the course of a movie. That's just a thing
43:02So the fact that she's like, well, he was fat shaming me or he was he talked to me about my weight and so on
43:07It's like well
43:08That's kind of a known
43:10Factor right? That's kind of a known thing
43:13So i'm not sure why
43:15That would be again unless there's something going on what's going on with her couldn't possibly tell you
43:20You know, there could be some anxiety about reaching the end of her youthful attractiveness phase and then what's going to happen next with her
43:27and so on right, you know that old joke in hollywood that there's only
43:30There's only three
43:32Roles for women right young ingenue
43:35District attorney and driving miss daini daisy. That's it. That's all they get so
43:40maybe she's got some concerns about any of that, but
43:43yeah, it's just a mess it's a complete mess and i'm just
43:47Fairly thrilled to not be in the art world
43:48I mean I wanted to be in the art world when I was younger when I thought it was about art
43:52But it's not
43:53It's not
43:54But yeah, it would be interesting. I mean you can try this as a social experiment, right?
43:58You can try this if you're having conversations and there are women around and they say well, what do you think?
44:02I say well, I believe him. Well, why well, he's a man
44:05I believe all men
44:06You could say that right and if the women get sharp, it's like ah now, you know
44:10How we feel when we hear believe all women, right?
44:14so
44:15all right, that's it for the
44:17Explication of that exciting which I think is quite an exciting story. This has the uh,
44:22The potential to be some very interesting back and forth and who knows what the truth is
44:28You know, maybe he is a complete psycho. Maybe she's a complete psycho. Maybe they're both dysfunctional
44:32I mean, I assume one of them is or both but we'll see over time, but I do find this stuff
44:37Quite interesting. I do find this interesting to parse out
44:41and
44:43What I find interesting is that
44:46as a strong independent feminist woman
44:50Shouldn't she be able to handle this stuff in her stride and put if the men were behaving inappropriately or badly or wrongly
44:56just
44:57Put them in their place
44:59and move on
45:01Right put them in their place
45:03And move on isn't that the most empowered thing to do?
45:06to be tortured and sleepless and run to the government and run to lawyers, it just seems like
45:12If
45:13The men are doing something that is rude and inappropriate you put them in their place
45:18And you move on
45:20again, I I say this obviously not as a female so I get all of that but
45:25That's kind of what
45:27Men are kind of used to doing
45:30So if you want equality, like if women believe that they can, you know take on
45:3612 professional assassins and win then surely they can
45:40Put a rude man in his place and move on with the movie
45:44but it gets so complicated it gets so wrapped up so toxic so allegations counter allegations and sleeplessness and lawyers and
45:51you know a quarter billion dollar lawsuit against the New York Times resulting from this article and
45:56Emailing people if this is what happened like Friday night at Christmas for a next day article like all of that kind of stuff
46:04Holy crap, is that complicated?
46:07Holy crap, is that stuff?
46:09wildly complicated
46:11And it sort of does beg the question at some point or another. I mean
46:16can men and women
46:18easily
46:19And effectively work together. I mean, it's an interesting question
46:22I mean obviously some men and women can some men and women clearly can't
46:26but can
46:27men and women
46:29productively and effectively work together and in particular
46:33when
46:35women are
46:37Really basing their career significantly on being super attractive, right?
46:41Can men and women particularly when the women are basing their economic value on being super attractive?
46:47Right. Can they work together?
46:48I mean when I was a young
46:50Attractive man I had as I mentioned before in the show. I had women
46:55Say basically if you sleep with me, i'll get your play
46:58Produced as a radio play. I will get your book published and so on right like I remember
47:03I knew a woman in the publishing industry and she was living
47:07With a roommate and she said my roommate's being really difficult
47:10And you know, can I just stay at your place for a night or two just until I get my bearings?
47:15And then she came on to me pretty strongly turns out the roommate at least according to him was not being difficult
47:20So these are just these are just complicated and difficult situations
47:24Right, if you if you sleep with me, i'll get your book published if you sleep with me
47:28I remember I had a radio play that i'd written or a play that i'd written and a woman saying if you sleep with me
47:33I'll make sure that the radio play gets produced
47:36I mean, there's a little tug of temptation, of course, right? But then it's just like shake your head like
47:40Gross like ew gross, right?
47:43so
47:45women also proposition men based upon
47:48looks
47:49It is not just the other way, of course, you won't really see that and of course we can see this going on
47:54all across
47:56the
47:57Spectrum in in high schools, right?
48:00right
48:01in in in high schools
48:03the number of predatory women
48:06preying on
48:08The boys is not tiny
48:11Is not tiny
48:13Now men and women can work together
48:16In families, obviously husbands and wives work together and it's really just about the most productive thing
48:21That exists is men and women working together to produce and raise children and run households and do the work and
48:27Hunt and gather like some men and women in families
48:30can absolutely
48:31work together
48:33men and women in the professional workspace
48:36You know, there are these jokes right? You've got your work husband and you've got your home husband
48:40And as i've talked about before the problem with the home husband is the work husband takes precedence
48:46There there was a great kevin samuels line where women on his show
48:51would
48:52Get really bossy and aggressive with him
48:55And he would say to them just treat me with the same level of respect. You would treat a white boss
49:00I don't know that the white thing was super important
49:02But he's like just treat me with the same level of respect you treat a white boss, right?
49:08And I thought that was really interesting
49:10It's a really sort of powerful
49:12multi-layered statement and of course many of his statements were powerful and multi-layered, right?
49:17and
49:19It's tough for a husband when the wife is
49:22kind of bossy and bitchy with him
49:25and then the
49:26Her boss her male boss calls and she's polite and deferential to the male boss
49:31It is really bad for a marriage
49:34It's something it's really tragically not discussed but it really needs to be
49:38because
49:40when a husband is treated like
49:43a naughty
49:44malodorous child
49:45But then the wife's boss is treated with deference and respect
49:49as a male in authority
49:52oof
49:53You feel worse than the side chick
49:56It is an absolutely cucking
49:59experience
50:00When a man can't get his wife to agree to anything, but then her boss says come in on the weekend and she's like sure
50:08No problem
50:09And of course it works the other way too, right?
50:12If the man is a bossy and dominant and a jerk to his wife and then his female boss
50:19Calls up and he's all sweet sweetness and light that is terrible for her as well
50:25Never treat
50:27your spouse
50:28Worse than you treat a boss never
50:30Never ever ever in fact treat your spouse a billion times better than you treat your boss, but it is
50:36Profoundly destructive to the institution of marriage for people to treat opposite sex bosses with greater deference than their own
50:45Loved ones their own partners their own
50:48The mothers and fathers of their their children. It's just terrible and it's not something that it really gets discussed much at all
50:53But it absolutely should
50:55All right. Well, i've had myself a good old yap fest and we got a bunch of people here tonight
51:00So if you have any comments about this or any other topic that's on your mind
51:04i'm
51:05obviously thrilled and happy to hear so
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51:33crazy ride with my internet provider today
51:36You know, I just had that sense of helplessness when you're just dealing with people who aren't smart, right?
51:41Just dealing with people who aren't smart
51:43So my internet went down
51:45Over christmas and it was going to take like five days to get someone to fix it
51:50Then they booked five days, but then they came in three days without any warning. My wife happened to be home
51:56They fixed something it was working fine
51:58and then
52:00this morning
52:01It went out again, right? So then you got to call them again and it's like well, who are you?
52:05Okay, here's who I am. What's the problem? Have you tried rebooting yet?
52:10You know, what's the serial number of this and what's the light on that and blah blah blah and i'm like no no
52:14No, like nothing's changed on my router. Somebody just came out and fix it. Whatever they did to fix it did not take
52:19I need them to come back. Well, if we come back it's going to cost you it's like I don't care right and then it's like
52:26you call up these places and
52:28They don't seem to have any access to your service history, which to me is completely bizarre
52:32Well, i'll have to go and check i'll go talk to the team. I'll go do this. I think
52:36There was a guy here on saturday. He fixed something. It's now wednesday. It's broken again
52:42You're gonna have to send some money and then by like well, we'll send someone tomorrow and I said you're not no
52:45You won't send someone tomorrow
52:47Because I run a business from home. I need my internet
52:50So you're not going to send someone tomorrow. You're going to send someone today
52:54right
52:55Because you made a fix the fix didn't work
52:58So you need to send someone today?
53:00So then you know and then everything you're 20 minutes half an hour on hold right?
53:04And they're like, okay, we'll send someone today. So then you know five o'clock I call them up i'm like
53:09And then you have to go through the whole have you tried rebooting yet?
53:11The signal is strong from here. I get all of that. I'm supposed to have someone here today. Where are they?
53:17And oh, I have to check and honestly she came back
53:20you know
53:22I don't know five or six times. Oh, I just need another couple of minutes
53:25Just checking with this and then she finally came back and she said basically. Oh, yeah your ticket
53:29Somehow the system lost it like your your support ticket
53:33And so by then it was like 5 30. I've been on the phone for 45 minutes. Just waiting, right?
53:37It's 5 30. They say well, we can't send someone out tonight and I said you have to send someone out tonight
53:42I stayed home all day
53:44I stayed home all day waiting to get my internet fixed. You have to send someone tonight
53:47Well, we can't there's nobody there. I said you're sure you can you can offer them a bonus
53:51You can offer them pay and a half you can offer them double pay
53:54But you guys promised me to get the internet fixed today. I stayed home all day. I'm not doing it again tomorrow
54:00anyway, so
54:01Long and short of it. She doesn't have any capacity to change that right?
54:04and
54:05I don't think anyone does so then she said well, we'll get you someone first thing in the morning, right?
54:09And I said, okay
54:11So what time will that be?
54:12Well, we'll text you later tonight about what time that's going to be and I said
54:14But you just told me first thing in the morning. So why do you need to text me later tonight?
54:18It's gonna be first thing in the morning, right? That's why we're just doing not not video, right? Because I
54:23My sad little phone doesn't have the ability to do video uploads in in real time
54:28I maybe should get a new phone. It's like seven years old or something. Anyway, so
54:34You just feel this sense of helplessness when you just come into this wall of incompetence
54:38Just absolutely and I said like you you guys lost my ticket. No, no, no the system lost the ticket. It's like
54:44No
54:45Now, of course, they're not going to say I'm sure that the person I was talking to this morning
54:48Who wasn't the same person I was talking to now?
54:50I'm sure that they just didn't enter or didn't save or entered it wrong somewhere, but they're not going to say yes
54:55We messed up, right?
54:57right
54:58so then I said, okay, so
55:01I value my time at this amount per hour. You've now wasted this amount of my time
55:05Uh, you guys owe me a year of free internet. You guys owe me a year of free internet
55:08I've spent two hours on the phone with you today. I still don't have my internet fixed. I now have to stay home tomorrow
55:14I had to stay home today. You guys owe me a year of free internet you do
55:19Because time is money
55:20If I cost you guys a lot of time
55:22Like I said, listen, you have this deal where if you send someone out and it turns out to be my fault
55:27You charge me, right? So if I waste your time you charge me you're wasting my time. I'm gonna charge you
55:32So you owe me at least a year's free internet
55:34To make up for this, right?
55:36anyway
55:37We'll take they'll she'll check with her boss and you know, maybe you'll get something maybe you want
55:42but
55:43In the face of stupidity and incompetence the gods themselves rail in vain, right?
55:48We just we're just going down this slow sinkhole of incompetence, right?
55:51We just just this it you can just see it. You see it going down
55:54I mean look what's going on in california, right? Just this whole sinkhole of incompetence
56:00I mean i'm frightened to fly now. I really am. I never used to think about that. I used basically, you know
56:05I used to lecture everyone our
56:07Flying is safer than driving. It probably still is but I got a certain caution about it now because
56:12You know, we talked about this the great slowdown like just
56:14Things aren't working things don't work. We get the wrong thing delivered
56:18They don't take returns
56:21I ordered a little computer to to do call-in shows because I like to walk around doing the call-in shows
56:28I don't want some big, you know, that gives me carpal tunnels
56:30I'm carrying some computer around got a little computer and I got a it's got a little sd card slot
56:36And after a month or two the sd card slot
56:39Like it just wouldn't read the sd card that's where I was saving the because not much on the main drives
56:43That's why i'm saving the call-in shows
56:45So I go online and people are like, oh, yeah, this is a known issue
56:47The fan is too close to the right and just fries that it's like, oh my god. Oh my god. Why why?
56:54Why?
56:55It's a giant mystery
56:57All right. Well, I really do appreciate you guys dropping by tonight free domain.com slash. I need to help out the show
57:03And I look forward to your comments questions
57:05Don't forget you can go to free domain.com slash call to request a call-in show. I'm sorry. I didn't get too many of them done
57:12over a christmas but
57:15I mean, it's not quite the way it used to be when it's in the business world where the two weeks between like pre-christmas and
57:20Post new year's is just an uncertain time where you wander around full of eggnog and strangely spiced cheeses
57:26Not sure what day of the week it is
57:28but
57:29I'm back on the call-in bandwagon
57:31So if you have you don't have to do a private call you can certainly do a private call
57:35But if you want to do a call-in show free domain.com slash call i'm trying to claw my way through the backlog
57:40And the house was full from before christmas to after new year's
57:43So we just had a completely full house of people so I just didn't have much time for call-ins
57:49But i'm back on the wagon, baby. I'm back back in the saddle. So free domain.com slash call
57:54Don't forget peaceful parenting.com. You can share that
57:57It's not branded to me as a whole so you can share that and get people interested in peaceful parenting
58:02And last but not least out of the argument and free domain.com slash books
58:07Lots of love everyone. Have yourself a glorious night. I look forward to your support and your continued time and care and attention and focus
58:14Bye