El consumo de drogas de diseño, especialmente metanfetaminas y éxtasis, está generando gran preocupación en Argentina. Estas sustancias cada vez más potentes y riesgosas se están difundiendo ampliamente en fiestas y clubes nocturnos. Se destaca la droga conocida como TINA, que puede ser mortal. Claudio Izaguirre, experto en el tema, explica los riesgos asociados y la falta de recursos para tratar a las personas con problemas de adicción en varias regiones del país. Se hace un llamado a trabajar en la prevención y difusión para evitar que los jóvenes se acerquen a estas sustancias peligrosas.
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00:00There is a great concern, obviously, for the consumption of drugs,
00:03for the consumption of methamphetamines.
00:05Obviously, we are also talking about ecstasy,
00:09the design pills, which are increasingly more potent, more risky,
00:14and, of course, they are widely disseminated,
00:17not only at electronic parties,
00:19before there were many electronic parties,
00:21today in all the bars there is always the latent danger
00:24that some dealers may be selling
00:27and some guys consuming, right?
00:30Let's talk about Tina.
00:32Tina, which seems like a nice name,
00:34is a name that hides, for this function,
00:38a risk that can be fatal,
00:41like any type of design drug.
00:44They have the design, for example, of Bizarrap,
00:47which has nothing to do with this, of course,
00:49and of Bukele.
00:51That is, it depends on how they stick
00:53and it depends on how it is or who it is,
00:55obviously, the distributor.
00:57Let's talk to Claudio Izaguirre,
00:59who is the president of Antidrogas here in Argentina,
01:03of the foundation,
01:05about this drug known as Tina.
01:09Izaguirre, how are you? Good afternoon.
01:13How are you? Nice to meet you.
01:15I don't know if you can hear me clearly.
01:17Yes, we can hear you, we can hear you well.
01:19Let's see.
01:20If we are going to talk about Tina,
01:22it is a nickname, to put it in some way,
01:25of a known drug called Cristal,
01:27which is the previous step to ecstasy.
01:30This is a design drug
01:32that in this particular case has a molecule
01:36that gives it a greater power
01:38and then this drug is used for sexual issues,
01:44for greater sexual comfort.
01:46But the problem is that if the dose is not correct,
01:52the person begins to feel somnolence
01:56and from the somnolence,
01:58to fainting, there is an instant.
02:01Behind that, you must call 911 immediately,
02:05that you approach with an ambulance,
02:07because behind that comes the cardiac arrest.
02:09It is such a powerful drug
02:13that it has several disadvantages
02:17on the person's body.
02:18On the one hand, we are talking about the physical system
02:21that has serious problems,
02:23such as palpitations,
02:25for example,
02:27severe headaches,
02:30arrhythmias,
02:32agitation,
02:34blurred vision.
02:36And behind that come the mental levels,
02:38because the person begins to have very strong hallucinations
02:43and those hallucinations have to do,
02:45in general terms,
02:47let's see how I say it,
02:49with bugs that walk inside the skin.
02:52This is the feeling that a person has.
02:54And immediately what you are looking for is a knife
02:56to open the skin,
02:58to remove those supposed bugs
03:00that walk through the arms,
03:02through the legs,
03:03and through the torso.
03:05That is, we are in front of a person
03:08completely altered,
03:10who has the minutes of life counted.
03:13Do you hear me, Isagirre?
03:15It's not a joke.
03:17A lot of people are dying in Brazil,
03:19a lot of people are dying in Europe,
03:21people are dying in different parts of the world,
03:24and it's showing up on these sides too.
03:26That's why you have to be especially careful.
03:30Do you hear me now, Isagirre?
03:33Are you listening to me?
03:34I don't think you can hear us.
03:35I hear you.
03:36You can't hear us very well, can you?
03:38Ah, because I was trying to ask you some more information.
03:42Wait a second,
03:43because I'm going to incorporate Dr. Marta Eugenia Bracci,
03:46who is a toxicologist,
03:48who is going to tell us a little bit about this type of drug.
03:51Doctor, how are you doing?
03:53Good afternoon.
03:54I want to clarify something.
03:55I'm talking about heroin,
03:57because it's not a drug that is used...
03:59We can't hear you.
04:00We can't hear you.
04:01Let's see if we can solve the issue with Isagirre.
04:03Do we have the doctor?
04:04The toxicologist?
04:05Hello, how are you?
04:06Ah, how are you?
04:07How are you, Bracci?
04:09Thank you for attending.
04:11Can you explain a little bit
04:12about what TINA is,
04:14this drug that is now also appearing
04:16in different boliches in Buenos Aires?
04:20Well, TINA is a methamphetamine.
04:23They are quite old drugs,
04:26more or less from 1990.
04:29They are synthetic drugs.
04:33If we talk from the pharmacological point of view,
04:38they are methamphetamines.
04:41They have effects that generate
04:44hyperactivity in the body
04:47and perceptual disorders.
04:51This means that the body increases sensitivity.
04:57So it gives the feeling of increasing sensitivity.
05:04And then people increase the feeling
05:08of wanting to have sex and so on.
05:12And what can it cause?
05:15Because, let's see,
05:17it is consumed with a purpose
05:20and, on the other hand,
05:22it can cause death, can't it?
05:25Tachycardia, hypertension, psychomotor excitation,
05:29seizures, hyperthermia.
05:33This is called sympathetic-mimetic syndrome
05:37or serotonergic syndrome.
05:40And that can cause death, can't it?
05:43Absolutely.
05:45Who is consuming it at the moment?
05:50All synthetic drugs enter
05:53within the spectrum of electronics,
05:58but also within a group called chemsex.
06:05Or chemsex.
06:07And what is it?
06:09It is the frame within the section
06:12of homosexual or heterosexual sex sessions
06:17or within the orgies of multitudinous sex
06:22to prolong the sessions of multiple sexuality.
06:27Perfect.
06:28That is, it is a much more powerful effect,
06:32I don't want to say it's better,
06:34much more powerful than sildenafil,
06:38the Viagra pill.
06:40Sildenafil also enters within this frame,
06:45within this group of substances
06:49that are used for these several-day sex sessions.
06:54Okay.
06:55But in this case it is much more prolonged still.
07:00It has a different effect.
07:02One thing is the increase in ascensus perception
07:05and sildenafil modifies,
07:08because in general these substances
07:10generate vasoconstriction,
07:12and sildenafil generates vasodilation
07:15so that this increase in ascensus perception
07:19improves what has to do with the vasodilation
07:24that is needed to modify these sessions,
07:27so in the body there is a lot of modification
07:32in terms of vasodilation, vasoconstriction,
07:35and others,
07:36so more risk of cardiac, ischemic,
07:42it generates a lot of cardiovascular risk.
07:46And in this case,
07:48although we just explained something,
07:50but you who must have seen much more
07:52and of course analyzed all this,
07:54what does each image that the pills have mean?
07:58Do they belong to a group?
08:00Do they belong to a dealer?
08:01Is it the same?
08:04In general, within electronics,
08:07each sex has its pill, right?
08:12Yes.
08:13And in general,
08:15within what they do,
08:17what has to do with damage reduction
08:19is to know,
08:20this pill hit this way,
08:23and one can do damage reduction,
08:26now,
08:27not always the same drawing
08:30implies the same dose,
08:32implies the same effect,
08:34but the other way around,
08:36it is the people who do damage reduction
08:39try to find an effect
08:45as to give users
08:48a mark of prevention
08:53so that they take care of themselves.
08:55Doctor, how are you?
08:56Carlos Estrella in La Saluda.
08:57Ask him,
08:58because I always remember the Time Wrap party,
09:00what was known was
09:01that at that party they had gone out
09:03to test a new dose,
09:05as they said,
09:06to see,
09:07they distribute this
09:08to see how it hits the kids who consume it.
09:11Where and how are these drugs manufactured?
09:14Is there a laboratory behind?
09:16Is it a shed hidden
09:18in the depths of the suburb?
09:20The person who makes it
09:23has to have some pharmacological knowledge?
09:30They are clandestine laboratories,
09:32they know that something
09:33obviously of chemistry knows,
09:36but it is not that it is Römers or Gador
09:40or a laboratory that knows
09:42what concentrations of drugs it has
09:48and does not maintain the stability of a drug
09:52like a medical laboratory.
09:55It's a time bomb, doctor.
09:57Absolutely,
09:58and when someone tries a new molecule,
10:01because what they are looking for
10:02is that each molecule comes out
10:04of what has to do with illegal drugs,
10:07because every time one takes out a new drug
10:11until it enters the profile of illegal drugs,
10:17it takes a while
10:19and the molecule is changed to a carbon,
10:22an oxygen or something,
10:27it takes a while to appear as illegal.
10:30It takes a while,
10:31because what they are trying to do
10:33is to impose new drugs
10:35as fashions within the boliches,
10:37fundamentally.
10:38I was watching,
10:39in addition to Bizarrap Bukele,
10:41there is also Disney and Gucci
10:43in this new move,
10:44Rolls Royce and Burger King, for example.
10:47Now the question is,
10:48what is the damage?
10:49I say, you go to a party,
10:50they invite you to this,
10:51what can happen?
10:52Is it very addictive?
10:53Is there any risk that you have
10:57imminent if you take a pill?
11:01It depends on what substance it contains
11:03and what sweeteners too.
11:05And how is the body of each user.
11:07Of course.
11:10It's not the same 50 milligrams of MDMA and 400.
11:16Of course.
11:17So no matter how much,
11:18suppose the pill has the drug
11:23that it tells you it has.
11:24Yes.
11:2550 milligrams versus 400 milligrams?
11:30It's lethal.
11:31Yes, of course.
11:32And also the cost of the pill
11:35and also the dehydration
11:37that this type of pill causes.
11:40It's not even thinking,
11:43it's not the same 50 milligrams
11:45in someone who weighs 40 kilos
11:48than in someone who weighs 75.
11:51Of course.
11:52And it's not the same
11:53in someone who has a history of a cardiopathy
11:56than in someone who is healthy.
11:58Yes.
11:59And it's not the same in someone who has diabetes
12:01than in someone who doesn't.
12:03And it's not the same in someone who takes a psychotropic
12:07than in someone who doesn't.
12:09Exactly.
12:10And the last one from me, doctor.
12:12In these cases,
12:13many times there are people who drink water
12:16because of dehydration,
12:17but there are other people who drink alcohol.
12:19Ah, worse.
12:20Of course.
12:21Worse.
12:22At the cardiovascular level, much worse.
12:25Of course.
12:26It strengthens death.
12:27Or, let's say,
12:28it produces a combustion within the body, right?
12:31It increases the risk of cardiotoxicity.
12:34Of course.
12:35Exactly.
12:36And can this also be used to subdue women, for example?
12:40I mean, in this thing of sexuality, right?
12:43That is sought.
12:44This can also be difficult for women
12:49because, I mean,
12:50it can be lethal, some consumers said,
12:53and it can be used in many cases to subdue.
12:57There are other types of abuse drugs.
13:00For example, high-dose alcohol, ketamine, GHB,
13:07some benzodiazepines,
13:11which are used as sexual abuse drugs
13:14because they generate something called hypnosis
13:18or hypnotic effect,
13:19with which one has amnesia or fainting.
13:23Yes, yes, yes.
13:24Then it does not recognize the thief.
13:26As it is.
13:27Well, in the sexual case, not to mention.
13:29Do not cut me, doctor,
13:30I want to re-incorporate Claudio Izaguirre,
13:33we were talking to him,
13:34to see if we could solve the audio.
13:37Izaguirre, let's say,
13:38you are also a specialist in reporting,
13:41but also in detecting.
13:43There are more and more, right?
13:45Pills.
13:46At night, in the day.
13:49No, actually what happens
13:51is that the pills are changed,
13:53a molecule is changed
13:55so that they take a different name
13:57and cannot be seized by the security forces.
14:02Because it is no longer such a pill,
14:04but a new one that has certain characteristics.
14:09And obviously this is used exclusively
14:12for the free marketing of the product.
14:15Of course.
14:16In reality, young people are looking for new sensations
14:19and drug dealers give them new sensations,
14:23although some of these put them in danger of death.
14:28In reality, they are not recreational drugs,
14:31if I do not insist again,
14:32they are lethal drugs
14:35that are armed with the idea of exterminating people.
14:39Okay.
14:40And in fact, the Ministry of Justice
14:42goes out to defend the position of those
14:45who must be cared for by the State
14:48in the face of situations like this.
14:51There are many times that one makes reports
14:53for different situations
14:55and it is as the doctor said,
14:57many times young people try,
15:01believe that they are doing well,
15:03try again and some end up dead.
15:07Of course.
15:08Indeed.
15:09Indeed.
15:10This is what happens to us.
15:11Imagine that in other places in the world
15:13there is a health system
15:15that can lead the person
15:17immediately to be able to reverse
15:23the state in which such a substance puts him.
15:26Sure.
15:27The reality is that Argentina does not have these resources.
15:29Argentina, if we are talking about Cordoba,
15:33if we are talking about Santa Cruz,
15:35if we are talking about Mendoza,
15:36if we are talking about La Pampa,
15:37it is impossible.
15:39If we are talking about Chaco or Salta,
15:42there is no health system
15:44that protects people from addiction problems.
15:46Therefore, what we have to work on
15:48is addiction prevention
15:50and spreading this type of thing
15:52so that young people do not approach
15:54these design substances
15:56that end up with ...
15:58Because here it has not only to do
16:00with the fact that it endangers the life of the person,
16:02but that this type of substance,
16:04like tin,
16:05what it does is drive the person crazy for life.
16:08Ah, crazy for life.
16:10This is a very serious problem.
16:12What could be said,
16:14the damage it does on a mental level.
16:16How did he say?
16:17Crazy for life.
16:19Crazy for life, yes.
16:20Yes, they are psychotic for life.
16:22Let's imagine that it is a drug
16:25that is going to cause brain changes
16:28and that the person is going to be hallucinating.
16:30In principle, I tell you,
16:32when you have a small dose of tin,
16:35you are going to hallucinate for two or three days.
16:37Now, if your dose is higher
16:40and you have not been able to die,
16:44you are going to be hallucinating for life.
16:47You are going to be in a madhouse.
16:49This is the serious problem
16:51that this type of design drugs have.
16:53Yes, yes.
16:54Let's see, I'm going to ask the doctor.
16:56Can you hear us, doctor, still?
16:58Yes, yes, absolutely.
17:01Has he had in his hands
17:03some boy or girl
17:05or some adult,
17:07who has died as a result of the pills?
17:11Ecstasy?
17:12I was on duty on the day of the tin.
17:14Ah, you were?
17:17Yes, in this way,
17:19with respect to psychosis,
17:21in the Gutierrez Hospital.
17:23In the Gutierrez Hospital.
17:24And what did you see, doctor?
17:26We did the tests
17:28of the patients of Argerich and Ramos.
17:30Yes.
17:31And of Rivadavia.
17:33The issue is the following.
17:35With respect to psychosis,
17:37as the doctor just commented,
17:39there are patients
17:41who have induced psychosis
17:43by substances
17:45that reverse this type of psychosis.
17:49But there are patients
17:51who have a predisposition
17:53to psychotic pathology
17:55that the substance
17:57can trigger
17:59this predisposition
18:01that he had before
18:03and generate a psychosis.
18:05Yes.
18:07But more than seeing
18:09how much the substance depends
18:11on his previous pathology.
18:13Of course.
18:15Of his predisposition.
18:17Everyone has their opinion,
18:19but I'm sure
18:21the doctor would never allow
18:23her son to consume
18:25this type of substance.
18:27Exactly.
18:29Exactly.
18:31Yes, it is logical.
18:33First, because it is illegal.
18:35Second, and in parallel,
18:37because it is very dangerous.
18:39Beyond legality or illegality,
18:41the legal substances
18:43that we have,
18:45tobacco and alcohol,
18:47are the substances that
18:49generate the greatest dependence.
18:51For me, it is not about
18:53legality or illegality,
18:55it is about the possibility
18:57of dependence
18:59and the possibility
19:01of not being able to revert
19:03this or what it will generate
19:05to those who consume
19:07the difficulty of being able
19:09to leave them.
19:11How is the reaction
19:13in the body of someone
19:15who is about to die
19:17after having consumed?
19:19In some patients,
19:21hyperthermia,
19:23this type of thing
19:25causes the body of the patient
19:27to have a multi-organic failure.
19:29Of course.
19:31And how to detect?
19:33Suppose that a boy or an adult
19:35is at a party
19:37or somewhere
19:39and there is a person who decomposes.
19:41How to detect that
19:43that person consumed?
19:45Unlike a common heart attack
19:47or some other type of problem.
19:49It is essential that anyone
19:51who has symptoms of anything
19:53is transferred to a health center
19:55and one evaluates it.
19:57And it evaluates if the symptoms
19:59that he has belong or not to a toxin.
20:01And eventually,
20:03if there is a companion
20:05who tells us if he consumed or not,
20:07we will do the pertinent screening
20:09if he comes alone,
20:11we will evaluate if his clinical symptoms
20:13belong or not to a toxin
20:15and from there we will do
20:17the corresponding evaluation.
20:19So, you can tell the truth
20:21to give a diagnosis.
20:23Anyway,
20:25the person who consumes
20:27this type of substance
20:29announces what he is going to consume.
20:31To his three or four intimate friends
20:33he says, look, I got the pill.
20:35And then the most intimate group
20:37knows what the drug is
20:39that he has consumed.
20:41In general, it happens like this.
20:43Good.
20:45Isaguirre, I send you a big hug.
20:47To you for having called me.
20:49A big hug.
20:51And a greeting to the doctor.
20:53Well, thank you very much.
20:55Dr. Brachi, thank you for attending us.
20:57We always appeal to you
20:59because you have the experience
21:01like Dr. Damin
21:03because you explain to us
21:05what it means.
21:07It is a topic that is among us.
21:09For example,
21:11in Punta del Este,
21:13there were 12 detainees,
21:15drug sales,
21:17and that also speaks
21:19clearly that it is everywhere
21:21and more and more, right?
21:23Absolutely, it is everywhere.
21:25The important thing now is to work
21:27beyond promoting
21:29prevention, abstinence
21:31and others, is to be able to work
21:33in damage reduction
21:35and give awareness
21:37to those who consume
21:39to avoid getting to these serious situations.
21:41Exactly. Totally.
21:43Doctor, thank you.
21:45We send you a big hug.
21:47A hug and thank you for calling us.
21:49See you later.
21:51Dr. Marta Eugenia Brachi,
21:53medical specialist in these topics.
21:55Look at how it will be
21:57that in many of the clubs,
21:59at least here in the city of Buenos Aires,
22:01in many of the clubs
22:03there are places for the kids
22:05who arrive decomposed,
22:07you understand, right?
22:09Drunk and decompose.
22:11Of course.
22:13But not an ambulance like anywhere
22:15that can have an emergency service
22:17for any eventuality.
22:19They have the ambulance there
22:21so as not to waste time because they know
22:23that every night at least
22:25some or some
22:27or some boy or girl
22:29decomposes and must be taken urgently
22:31to the hospital for these things
22:33in addition to alcohol.