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00:00Do you know how many open houses there are in Japan?
00:10The number of open houses in Japan is 9 million.
00:15This is 13.8% of the total number of houses in Japan.
00:20If the number of open houses continues to increase,
00:25one out of every four houses in Japan will become an open house in 20 years.
00:33The background to this is population decline,
00:37aging society, and inheritance problems.
00:42This time, we are going to do a thorough coverage of the Akiya Taisaku,
00:48which is a project that Kochi Prefecture, the hometown of actress Ryoko Hirose,
00:53is working on on its own.
00:57We are going to think about the current and future of the Akiya problem,
01:03which everyone may face someday.
01:07The Akiya Problem, 2025.
01:10The front line between population decline and Akiya Taisaku.
01:16This program is about the increasing number of open houses in Japan,
01:20which is a social problem.
01:22We have invited Mr. Tomoyuki Maruoka,
01:25the CEO of Next Wheel,
01:27a real estate company specializing in open houses.
01:30Nice to meet you.
01:32We have a guest who will help us learn about the Akiya problem.
01:34I'm Ryoko Hirose, an actress.
01:36Nice to meet you.
01:38Nice to meet you, too.
01:40Ms. Hirose, this program is about the Akiya problem.
01:43What do you think about the Akiya problem?
01:45Have you ever felt that the number of open houses has increased?
01:47If you don't become an adult, you won't have that kind of perspective.
01:50But I do feel that the number of open houses is increasing.
01:55When you go back to your hometown in Tokyo,
01:58don't you think that the number of open houses is increasing?
02:01My hometown is in the countryside.
02:05So, when I go back to my hometown,
02:09I don't feel that the number of open houses is increasing.
02:12Do you feel that the number of open houses is increasing in your hometown?
02:15I don't know.
02:17If I drive for 30 minutes or an hour,
02:19I think the environment will change,
02:21but I feel that the number of open houses is increasing.
02:23I see.
02:25Here is a quiz for Ms. Hirose.
02:27You are from Kochi Prefecture.
02:29What is the number of open houses in Kochi Prefecture?
02:32What do you think is the number of open houses in 47 prefectures?
02:35The number of open houses in 47 prefectures.
02:37If you ask me,
02:39I think it's the worst.
02:43But I think it's the best in 47 prefectures.
02:46How do you think?
02:48I think it's the fifth.
02:50Fifth?
02:52I think it's the tenth.
02:54So, it's not the first.
02:55So, it's not the first.
02:57What?
02:59I don't think it's the first.
03:01I see.
03:03In fact, Kochi Prefecture is the second worst prefecture in the country.
03:05It's in 2023.
03:07According to the survey in 2018,
03:09Kochi Prefecture was the worst prefecture in Hirose's hometown.
03:12What?
03:14I feel sorry for her.
03:16You don't actually feel that way, do you?
03:20Rather, when I was in Tokyo,
03:22I felt like I was seeing an open house for the first time.
03:25Kochi Prefecture is a large prefecture.
03:28I didn't know that.
03:30That's why we invited you as a guest.
03:34I'm not happy about that.
03:36However, this program will help you understand the situation.
03:40When the number of open houses in Kochi Prefecture increases,
03:44what kind of problems do you think will arise?
03:47For example,
03:48the number of buildings that have been destroyed.
03:51There are three more.
03:54What do you think will happen?
03:57I thought the number of open houses will decrease
04:00when an earthquake occurs.
04:03But there are actually three more.
04:06There are actually three more.
04:08And there is an unexpected thing.
04:11The number of animals living in the house.
04:14What does that mean?
04:16The number of animals living in the house.
04:18What does that mean?
04:20In the city center,
04:22there are rats,
04:24white mice,
04:26and raccoons.
04:28There are many examples of that.
04:31Will the buildings be damaged?
04:34Yes, the buildings will be damaged.
04:36It's a little creepy to hear the noise at night.
04:41There are a lot of white mice in Shibuya.
04:43I didn't know that.
04:45That's right.
04:47One more thing.
04:49It's often reported in the news,
04:51but there are more crimes.
04:53There is an illegal entry into an open house.
04:56It's an open house where no one lives,
04:59so it's easy to see the crime.
05:03And it's used as a crime scene.
05:07For example,
05:09there was a group of foreigners
05:11who came to Shibuya without permission.
05:13Without permission?
05:15That's right.
05:17It's often used as a crime scene.
05:19Newcomers can live there.
05:21The security around the area is bad.
05:24Another problem is real estate.
05:28The real estate value of the area has fallen,
05:31and the open house has become a problem.
05:34That's right.
05:36There are many problems.
05:38There is only one open house in Shibuya.
05:41People who want to buy a house nearby
05:45don't want to buy it.
05:48Then the real estate value around the area
05:51will fall.
05:54Kochi Prefecture is now in second place.
05:57We interviewed the Kochi Prefecture of Hirose's hometown.
06:03Let's take a look at the current situation of the Kochi open house.
06:09Kochi Prefecture, a country of the sea,
06:13hopes for a great Pacific Ocean.
06:16Kochi Prefecture has the lowest population
06:20among the four prefectures in Japan,
06:23and the highest rate of population decline.
06:26Population decline is a serious problem.
06:32The number of open houses in Kochi Prefecture
06:35is about 50,000.
06:38The percentage of all houses
06:41is 12.9%,
06:44which is the second worst in the country.
06:50It's because there are a lot of elderly people.
06:56We asked the Kochi Prefecture of Hirose's hometown
06:59to show us one of the open houses.
07:01This is a building that has been abandoned for two years.
07:08It's about 10 minutes' walk from the nearby bus stop.
07:13It's a 60-year-old open house in the area.
07:20When you go inside,
07:23the furniture is pretty much demolished.
07:26Even though it's an open house,
07:29the previous owner, who used to be a potter,
07:32left the house as it was.
07:36There's a lot of pain in the room.
07:41Until two years ago,
07:44we didn't have rain forests like this.
07:47If you don't do anything, you end up like this.
07:50It's only been two years since it became an open house,
07:53and the walls are still the same.
07:56If the humidity accumulates,
07:59it can cause white dust.
08:03If you don't take advantage of it,
08:06it will be damaged at once.
08:09This is not just an open house
08:12that has been abandoned for many years.
08:15I think one of the key points
08:18is to take care of the recent buildings
08:21and see if people live in them.
08:23It's completely different
08:26even if it's just ventilated.
08:29Mr. Okamoto, the owner of the open house.
08:32He was entrusted by the previous owner,
08:35who used to be a potter.
08:38My friend is a potter,
08:41but he's a little sick,
08:44and I'm a little worried about his future.
08:47I've heard that he's going to be a potter,
08:50but there's something about being a potter
08:53that's a little complicated.
08:56I received a consultation
08:59that I wanted to let go right away.
09:02I sold it at a low price
09:05and earned money.
09:08Basically, I wanted to sell it
09:11as soon as possible,
09:14so I registered at a real estate agency
09:17and put out an advertisement
09:20and sold it,
09:23so I was in a bit of trouble.
09:26The reason for the increase in the number of open houses
09:29is that it's hard to sell
09:32and it's difficult to sell
09:35open houses.
09:38I make various suggestions
09:41to those who want to use
09:44open houses
09:47as real estate,
09:50but it's not easy
09:53to sell open houses.
09:56If it's a place like this,
09:59you can use it as a pottery shop
10:02or a workshop.
10:05The building itself is still solid,
10:08so I think there is still a way
10:11to use it even if it is an open house.
10:14How did you feel
10:17when you saw Hirose's open house?
10:20There are so many.
10:23There are so many things
10:26that can be used as an open house,
10:29but I felt that it was
10:32a part of the majority.
10:35Can you sell your current property?
10:38Yes.
10:41If you look at it,
10:44there are a lot of remains inside,
10:47and I think the wallpapers were also tattered.
10:50The building itself is still solid,
10:53but there are many people
10:56who want to buy such an old open house.
10:59It's a possible property.
11:02It was also mentioned in the VTR,
11:05but the biggest problem is
11:08the decrease in population in Kochi Prefecture.
11:11I think Kochi has a lot of
11:14elderly people.
11:17After all, young people
11:19go to Osaka and Tokyo
11:22to work,
11:25so I think
11:28the airport is also like
11:31welcome back to Kochi Prefecture.
11:34I think so.
11:37There is a big reason
11:40that the number of open houses
11:43increases as the population decreases,
11:46but there are other reasons
11:49why Japanese people
11:52like open houses.
11:55What is the characteristic
11:58of Japanese people?
12:01It's the cause of open houses.
12:04Yes.
12:07Do you like apartments?
12:10Which do you choose
12:13when you move?
12:16What do you want to choose?
12:19I will tell you after the announcement.
12:22I see.
12:25This time, we are thinking about
12:28open houses, which are a problem
12:31all over the country.
12:34One of the reasons why open houses
12:37continue to increase is that
12:40Japanese people like 00.
12:43The answer is here.
12:46Mr. Maruo, you like new buildings.
12:49I see.
12:52On the other hand, in the United States,
12:55there is 80% of second-hand distribution.
12:58Is it the opposite?
13:01Yes.
13:04There is a reason
13:07why Japanese people like new buildings.
13:10One is that
13:13there are fewer houses after the war,
13:16so we have to supply more and more.
13:19That's why
13:22Japanese houses don't last long.
13:25I see.
13:28That's why Japanese people like new buildings.
13:31It's been like that since then.
13:34However,
13:37there are many good houses now,
13:40so you can still use them
13:43even if they are old.
13:46Also,
13:49you can still use them
13:52as a national treasure of Japan.
13:55That's one of the goals of life.
13:58I see.
14:01I see.
14:04Ms. Hirose, what do you think of
14:07second-hand properties?
14:10I see.
14:13It's been more than 30 years
14:16since the Great East Japan Earthquake.
14:19That's right.
14:22I don't really care about second-hand properties.
14:25I mentioned that I like apartments.
14:28I think apartments
14:31are more convenient
14:34to dispose of garbage at any time.
14:37Also,
14:40it's cold to live alone.
14:43I see.
14:46I see.
14:49You don't want to live alone.
14:52That's a dream.
14:55I want to live alone.
14:58I see.
15:01I see.
15:04I see.
15:07I see.
15:10I see.
15:13I see.
15:16I see.
15:19I see.
15:22I see.
15:28I see.
15:31I see.
15:35I see.
15:37This impressive catch copy is filled with the thoughts of the person in charge.
15:46The Akiya problem is a problem nationwide.
15:50It is often perceived as a negative problem.
15:53Certainly, I think there is a negative part,
15:56but if you take advantage of it and connect it to the next,
16:00a positive side comes out.
16:03It's not just a problem in Japan.
16:06With that in mind, I made a catch copy.
16:11The Kuroshio-cho, which is located in the southwest of the prefecture,
16:15was heading to cover the Akiya countermeasures of Kochi Prefecture.
16:24On this day, the people who were in the town's port town were
16:29The staff of the Kuroshio-cho and the members of the local private organization.
16:36The Kuroshio-cho is committed to commissioning private people to dig up Akiya.
16:43I would like to be able to commission people who know more about the area.
16:50The Kuroshio-cho is committed to commissioning private organizations to investigate the Akiya.
17:02It is said that it is the local neighborhood that exerts its power there.
17:09The Kuroshio-cho is committed to commissioning private organizations to investigate the Akiya.
17:19I come here from time to time.
17:22You don't live here all the time, do you?
17:24I come here from time to time.
17:26I come here several times a year.
17:28Your son uses the Yuta.
17:30Yes.
17:31I can't go around.
17:33I can't solve everything here.
17:37I come to my mother's house.
17:39I don't say, I'm a Yakuba.
17:41I'm sorry. Please tell me about Akiya.
17:43I feel more at ease when I come to my mother's house.
17:47I feel more at ease when I come to my mother's house.
17:51The Kuroshio-cho is committed to commissioning private people to investigate the Akiya.
17:56It is said that it is the local neighborhood that exerts its power there.
18:00It is said that it is the local neighborhood that exerts its power there.
18:05I can't get any information.
18:07I can't get any information.
18:09The Kuroshio-cho is committed to commissioning private organizations to investigate the Akiya.
18:14At the end of the day, you have no choice but to destroy your home.
18:19However, many people leave their home as it is.
18:23As time goes by, the number of choices is getting smaller and smaller.
18:29By deciding early, you may be able to connect to the next one in a good state.
18:34I think there will be more choices.
18:38As a way to make good use of the Akiya in a good state,
18:41the Kuroshio-cho is actively working on accepting immigrants.
18:50Ms. Nidoro is moving from Yokohama to Kuroshio-cho.
18:56She is moving step by step for convenience of work.
19:00She is going to move completely this spring.
19:05To be honest, I don't want to move at all.
19:08I like Yokohama.
19:10I like the city.
19:12However, my husband watched an anime called Ryuuto Sobakatsunohime.
19:17Originally, my husband wanted to move to a place where there are mountains and seas.
19:23He wanted to go to a place where there is nature.
19:26I really wanted to go to Kochi Prefecture.
19:29There are climate, mountains and seas.
19:31That's right.
19:33As each family visits Kuroshio-cho for travel and internship,
19:39Ms. Nidoro's family's desire to move has grown.
19:45People in Kochi are very hospitable.
19:48They are very welcome.
19:50Maybe it's the culture of alcohol.
19:53That's right.
19:56In the meantime, the business that Kuroshio-cho is advancing is eye-catching.
20:01Its name is Teijuu Sokushin Jyutaku.
20:06Teijuu Sokushin Jyutaku in Kuroshio-cho is a system that reforms the vacant lot that the city has rented for 10 years
20:13and lends a house to those who want to move.
20:18This house was the one that decided to move while looking at several Teijuu Sokushin Jyutaku.
20:26When I was asked where I wanted to move to,
20:29I thought that I would move to a house where the children are still small,
20:34but as they grow up,
20:36they will be just me and my husband in a little while.
20:41When I imagined that,
20:43I thought that this was the place where the children would want to go again.
20:52The former fisherman's house is beautifully reformed.
20:59Midoro-san's favorite room.
21:03My husband is going to work here.
21:11Well, it's sudden, but Hirose-san,
21:14how much do you think the monthly rent of this house is?
21:18Well, I think it's cheap.
21:21The answer will be revealed later.
21:23Well, then...
21:29How to use vacant lot in Kochi Prefecture.
21:34Teijuu Sokushin Jyutaku is a system that reforms the vacant lot that the city has rented for 10 years
21:39and lends a house to those who want to move.
21:48Well, how much is the monthly rent?
21:5220,000 yen.
21:5720,000 yen?
21:59The answer is 20,000 yen per month.
22:03If we were to rent this house normally,
22:07I think it would be difficult for us to afford it.
22:14However, the price is set quite cheaply every month.
22:19Also, rather than looking for a place to live on our own,
22:25it is more reassuring to have such a system and have the people of the city involved,
22:34so I think that is a very high point.
22:40Wow!
22:42So, that was the property in Kuroshio-cho.
22:45The monthly rent is 20,000 yen.
22:47That's great!
22:50It's so spacious.
22:52You said it was cheap, but you said it was 200,000 yen.
22:55Yes, I thought it would be cheap, but I made a mistake.
22:5920,000 yen.
23:01I want to live there.
23:03Is there a place like that all over the country?
23:06That's right.
23:08I want to use the open space to do something,
23:13but when there are no tenants,
23:15there are a lot more people who live because the rent is cheap.
23:20What do you think, Hirose-san, about the effort to move?
23:23As you said, it's reassuring that the prefecture itself is moving.
23:29You can approach the locals directly,
23:33so I think it's a great effort to be able to proceed while understanding the situation.
23:38After the children grow up,
23:40it's a great idea to want to make it a place they want to come back to.
23:43That's great.
23:45It was a copy that had a great impact on saving the highlands of Akiya.
23:49That's right.
23:51I thought it was a brave copy.
23:53As you said, it's a kind of solidarity.
23:55Maruko-san, is this a very important Akiya survey force?
23:59That's right.
24:01It's a new environment for immigrants,
24:04so I think they'll be concerned about how the neighbors are treated.
24:08There are also cases where it fails.
24:12It's not the character of the prefecture,
24:15but I think it's one of the reasons why immigrants are so popular.
24:20As Hirose-san said, the prefecture has a very receptive system.
24:24You can get along with them right away.
24:26Yes, there are a lot of people who are very welcoming.
24:29Even when I'm walking around town,
24:31I get called out right away.
24:33It's not because it's me.
24:35You don't have to?
24:37When I'm with the kids,
24:39for example, if my younger sister is caught by someone,
24:42and I ask if she's an acquaintance,
24:44she says,
24:46she's the first person I've met.
24:48If I'm in a park,
24:50they give me oranges.
24:54I feel like I'm close to people.
24:57As a citizen.
24:59In that sense,
25:01I think it's easy for people from outside the prefecture to get along.
25:06There seems to be a drinking community.
25:09That's right.
25:11When I get on a plane to Kochi,
25:14I'm told,
25:16I'm going home.
25:18I'm like,
25:20is she an acquaintance?
25:22Is there a connection?
25:24Is she a friend or a mother?
25:26Yes.
25:27But they're not acquaintances.
25:29Everyone is like a daughter of Kochi.
25:33A family?
25:34That's right.
25:36I've never met a kid who says,
25:38you've grown up.
25:40Maybe my child is like a relative's child.
25:46I see.
25:48I think that's the kind of citizenship.
25:52I'd be happy if a lot of people got involved.
25:56Living in Akiya means
25:59you can communicate with people you don't feel in the big city.
26:03That's right.
26:05Living in the city,
26:07I don't think it's easy to communicate with the people next door.
26:11If you go to the countryside,
26:13the community is very good.
26:16I feel like I'm a relative of Mr. Hirose.
26:19That's right.
26:20I want to live in Kochi.
26:22It's a very attractive place.
26:25Mr. Maruko, you're not just dealing with simple Akiya.
26:29That's right.
26:31For example,
26:33there are many people who want to buy and move to Akiya.
26:38For example, the Akiya Bank of the local government
26:43runs an Akiya Bank.
26:46It's a site that distributes Akiya.
26:49There are many people who register there
26:52and look for a good property.
26:56However, Akiya that can be registered in an Akiya Bank
27:00is a very simple Akiya.
27:03In fact, there are many Akiya that do not sell
27:08because there are many people who want to buy and move to Akiya.
27:13Akiya with a reason.
27:15Akiya with a reason.
27:17So it's very important to figure out how to solve those problems.
27:25There are Akiya that you can't buy for a reason.
27:30Is it easy to sell Akiya if it's cheap?
27:35Isn't that the problem?
27:37There are a lot of problems.
27:40If Akiya is in trouble with the local government,
27:43you can't even sell Akiya cheaply.
27:46That's right.
27:48There are a lot of problems like that.
27:51I'm curious.
27:53Next time, we'll talk about Akiya with a reason.
27:57Ms. Hirose, how did you feel about Akiya in Kochi?
28:02I didn't expect it to be the worst.
28:05I didn't expect it to be the worst.
28:08I didn't expect it to be the worst.
28:11I didn't expect it to be the worst.
28:14With Ms. Hirose's help,
28:16it is possible to solve the problem of Akiya in Kochi.
28:20Kochi is either Ryoma Sakamoto or Ryoko Hirose.
28:24I think it's a two-way street.
28:27Did you prepare that comment?
28:29Where should I say it?
28:31She is a historical figure.
28:33Mr. Wakako Shibasaki will be angry.
28:36That's all for today.
28:39Thank you very much, Ms. Hirose.
28:41Thank you very much.
28:43Next time, Akiya problem 2025.
28:48Can't you sell your family home?
28:51Explaining Akiya with a reason that you can't sell it even if you want to.
28:56It's so complicated.
28:59Please look forward to the next time.