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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:24Today is the 25th of December.
00:26We wish our Pakistanis a Merry Christmas and Happy Qajarism Day.
00:32Today is their birthday.
00:34Today, we raise slogans of Long Live Qajarism.
00:38We quote their speeches.
00:40We give good statements.
00:42Especially the governments keep their work done today.
00:45There are speeches. Today, the Prime Minister also gave a speech.
00:48Atta Tarar Sahib said that the Muslim League has always tried
00:52to serve this country according to the vision of Qaid-e-Azam.
01:06And that the citizens of this country should have all the rights
01:09that are available to people all over the world,
01:11in civilized societies, in all the countries of the world.
01:14I burst into laughter as soon as I heard it.
01:17I burst into laughter as soon as I heard it.
01:23He also defended the Military Courts.
01:26The Military Courts are criticized by the Western countries.
01:32The Military Courts are considered to be against the concept of personal freedom.
01:38But on the other hand,
01:40Atta Tarar Sahib said that the country has the rule of law
01:44and respect for human rights.
01:46I think Atta Tarar Sahib does not even know how to praise these things.
01:51According to the 2024 World Rule of Law Index,
01:55Out of 142, Pakistan has the 139th highest rule of law.
02:01We are 129 out of 142 in rule of law.
02:07What is rule of law?
02:10There should be compliance with the law in the country.
02:13That is, whatever happens,
02:15it should be in accordance with the laws and regulations of the country.
02:18There is law in our country,
02:20but of the jungle.
02:22Rest, I will tell you where we are standing.
02:25In that country, in which Atta Tarar Sahib said
02:28that we want to become like other countries and give rights.
02:33Out of 142, Pakistan has the 125th highest rule of law.
02:37Out of 142, Pakistan has the 140th highest rule of law and security.
02:41Out of 142, Pakistan has the 128th highest rule of civil justice.
02:44Out of 142, Pakistan has the 96th highest rule of freedom of expression.
02:48Out of 142, Pakistan has the 96th highest rule of freedom of assembly.
02:51That is, the right of assembly,
02:53which is called political gatherings.
02:56When we put a container,
02:58we stop this thing.
03:00Out of 142, Pakistan has the 96th highest rule of human rights.
03:02Out of 142, Pakistan has the 161th highest rule of human index.
03:05Out of 127, Pakistan has the 109th highest rule of global hunger index.
03:08Out of 142, Pakistan has the 142nd highest rule of gender gap.
03:11Out of 180, Pakistan has the 140th highest rule of corruption.
03:14Out of 111, Pakistan has the 100th highest rule of internet speed.
03:17Out of 158, Pakistan has the 141st highest rule of broadband.
03:22These are the rights in our country,
03:25which you say that we want other countries.
03:28I don't know which other countries
03:31you want to bring Pakistan against.
03:33Maybe some African countries.
03:35Pakistan is ahead.
03:37Out of children under 5 years of age,
03:40we are on the third place.
03:42Whereas, we are on the first place
03:44in the death toll of attack women.
03:48Pakistan is on the first place.
03:50This is our standing
03:52with the powers of the world.
03:56If we are in this country,
03:58as I said, let's talk about the law.
04:00The law of this country decides the power.
04:03In our country,
04:05the law is not that effective.
04:08If we look at human rights,
04:10in the last two years,
04:12when the PDM government was first and second,
04:14in any country,
04:16the law is not effective.
04:18Especially, the police play a fundamental role
04:20in stopping injustice.
04:22What did the police do in this country for two years?
04:25They entered people's homes without a warrant.
04:27They kidnapped people.
04:29They broke cars.
04:31They damaged property.
04:33They broke cars.
04:35This is all done by the police.
04:37On the other hand,
04:39the defense is obtained
04:41by the Supreme Court.
04:43In our country,
04:45the Supreme Court is used
04:47to weaken the Parliament.
04:49We have cut the legs of the Supreme Court
04:51by legislating.
04:53Only because,
04:55if the judge is of the will,
04:57the Supreme Court is asking for justice.
04:59As I said,
05:01the right to protest is very low.
05:03It is also dependent on the will of the government.
05:05Protesting is a fundamental right.
05:07As soon as the current government came,
05:09they legislated.
05:11Without permission,
05:13they approved a three-year sentence
05:15for protesting in Islamabad.
05:17Protesting has now become punishable.
05:19On the announcement of protest,
05:21Pakistan becomes a container state.
05:23Arrests, tear gas, beatings,
05:25political workers are arrested.
05:27Even after the court orders,
05:29they are not released.
05:31Yesterday, I laughed when Bilawal Bhutto
05:33talked about digitalization and digital rights.
05:35Sir, you are in the government.
05:37The internet is banned in this country.
05:39Social media is banned.
05:41People are not able to use
05:43Twitter and TikTok
05:45in Pakistan.
05:47They are afraid to use it
05:49because they are taken away.
05:51A firewall of billions of rupees is bought
05:53because you don't like the views
05:55of social media.
05:57If you can't convert them, block them.
05:59This is our policy and strategy
06:01of social media.
06:03Freedom of expression.
06:05More than a dozen journalists and
06:07YouTubers are arrested every day
06:09if they don't like something.
06:11What kind of Pakistan is this
06:13where journalists and broadcasters
06:15are afraid to speak the truth.
06:17When did Qaida Azam say
06:19that elections in this country should not be transparent?
06:21There is a new normal in this country.
06:23We can easily say
06:25which elections in this country
06:27are free and transparent.
06:29Before the 8th February election,
06:31we broke the rules of the Jamaat again.
06:33Elections are taken away.
06:35The Waqf-e-Qazi provides its services
06:37in doing this.
06:39The documents are taken away
06:41when the nomination papers are collected.
06:43If you can't stop the democracy
06:45on the day when the internet is banned,
06:47then the form 47 is there.
06:49A defeated Jamaat is given
06:51power.
06:53The remedy
06:55for the elections
06:57is tribunals.
06:59What did we do with the tribunals?
07:01We made laws.
07:03On the other hand,
07:05there is international pressure.
07:07Richard Grenell,
07:09Donald Trump's personal secretary,
07:11what did he say?
07:19He made the same allegations
07:21like President Trump,
07:23where the ruling party put him in prison
07:25and created some sort of corruption
07:27allegations and false allegations.
07:29He's in prison now.
07:31Let the guy out of prison
07:33who actually wants to run for office
07:35and let the people decide.
07:37What pressure will be put on Pakistan?
07:39If there is pressure,
07:41we don't take such pressures.
07:43Fawad Chaudhary and Fahad Hussain are with us.
07:45Fawad sir, let me start with you.
07:47President Trump has given
07:49his tweets daily.
07:51He has tweeted the statement
07:53of the European Union,
07:55of the United Kingdom,
07:57of the United States.
07:59Is there pressure?
08:01No.
08:03There is pressure.
08:05Richard Grenell used to be
08:07the chief of intelligence
08:09of Donald Trump.
08:11President Trump tweeted
08:13that Richard Grenell
08:15is a fabulous person,
08:17a star.
08:19He will be
08:21some place high up.
08:23This is what Trump said
08:25before his appointment.
08:27I will give him a good appointment.
08:29He will be high up.
08:31And he is now.
08:33You know,
08:35he shortlisted two people
08:37for Secretary of State.
08:39You can imagine his position.
08:41What is his profile?
08:43I came to your show earlier
08:45and I told you that
08:47Imran Khan's relationship
08:49with President Trump
08:51is not superficial.
08:53Their relationship is very old.
08:55And Pakistan's relationship
08:57is very old.
08:59Do you remember this?
09:01Imran Khan's relationship is old?
09:03Yes.
09:05He just became President.
09:07No.
09:09You can google
09:11Imran Khan and Ivana Trump.
09:13Ivana Trump.
09:15She was a fan.
09:17No.
09:19She used to collect party shirts.
09:21No.
09:23It is a big problem in Pakistan.
09:25Wherever there is a woman,
09:27there is a party.
09:29They have a good relationship.
09:31You know,
09:33Imran Khan's marriage
09:35was of Goldsmith's family.
09:37They had a family relationship.
09:39When President Trump
09:41met Imran Khan later,
09:43and Modi
09:45became President,
09:47although he called
09:49Modi,
09:51he did not invite him.
09:53And India is dying
09:55for that invitation
09:57to invite Modi to Trump.
09:59But President Trump,
10:01as you said in your interview,
10:03Imran Khan is like Trump.
10:05He talks straight.
10:07Likes and dislikes
10:09are very serious.
10:11Will that be important
10:13in Pakistani politics?
10:15In Pakistan's politics,
10:17America is important
10:19since 1953.
10:21This is not a new thing.
10:23You have the CIA record.
10:25If you want to see the latest,
10:27you can see it on
10:29Condoleezza Rice's
10:31Benazir Bhutto.
10:33All deals with Musharraf
10:35Today, Pakistan is under
10:37threat of IMF loan.
10:39You can't afford
10:41IMF loan.
10:43Of course, America is
10:45very influential.
10:47A few days ago,
10:49a professor came to me
10:51and gave me advice.
10:53Before American
10:55pressure increases,
10:57it is better to
10:59solve your own problems.
11:01When that pressure increases,
11:03the economy will be better.
11:05Do you agree that
11:07pressure can increase
11:09regarding Imran Khan?
11:15Kashif, this is
11:17a unique situation.
11:19US administration
11:21is leaving Pakistan.
11:23It is also
11:25criticizing Pakistan.
11:27The incoming administration
11:29is also criticizing Pakistan.
11:31So, there is pressure on us from both sides.
11:38Now, this is absolutely right.
11:40Look, the matter of Grinnell has started suddenly.
11:44I don't think anyone in the government was expecting it to happen this way
11:47because here it was said with full confidence that
11:51all the leaves that are after Imran Khan have been planted.
11:55And nothing came out.
11:57This was the last leaf.
11:59No pun intended.
12:01This Trump card.
12:03I was saying that this is that match.
12:06You might remember it.
12:071986.
12:09Mihadat's famous match.
12:10Chika was hit on the last ball.
12:12So, it looks like they had the last leaf left.
12:15The last ball.
12:16The ball came on the bat.
12:18But when you say Trump card,
12:21Fahad sahib, when you say Trump card,
12:23it means you play that card yourself.
12:25Or you have a card that you use.
12:27In a way, this is a guess.
12:30I think the origin of Richard Grinnell's tweets
12:37is the news that Jio has put out,
12:40the way it was tagged.
12:43And then he started a campaign.
12:46From odd tweets here and there,
12:49he has started a full-on campaign.
12:52So, I think if Trump comes,
12:55we'll see what happens.
12:57But he didn't play this card.
12:59It just happened.
13:01It just happened.
13:03But who did this happen to?
13:05It happened to Imran Khan.
13:07It didn't happen to anyone else.
13:08Again, if I take you back to the 1986 match,
13:12the bowler made a full toss.
13:14But Javed Mihadat was ahead.
13:16If it was someone else,
13:17he wouldn't have hit Chika like that.
13:19If someone from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf says
13:22that he'll take credit,
13:23he's not at all.
13:24But Imran Khan has a standing there
13:28based on which Grinnell has taken up such a big position.
13:31And see, if it was just that individual,
13:33then after two or three tweets,
13:35the people above him say,
13:36okay, stop it.
13:37That's enough.
13:38The very fact that he's continuing with it
13:40means that there is not much problem
13:42in the Trump administration for this.
13:44And also keep in mind that this is the time
13:46when Trump is making his team.
13:48The person who wants to join that team
13:50will be doubly careful
13:51that I don't say anything
13:52that will make me drop tomorrow.
13:54Here, if Grinnell comes and plays on the front foot,
13:57then clearly, he's either been nodded by the Trump administration
14:01or he's been told,
14:02okay, keep playing.
14:03It doesn't matter to us.
14:04So he knows something probably.
14:06Fawad sahab, what do you think?
14:07Do you think he knows something?
14:09Fawad sahab,
14:10our video link with Fahad Hussain sahab
14:12is a bit affected.
14:13Let's remove that as well.
14:16Do you think he knows something?
14:18Does he have backing?
14:19Is he not being stopped?
14:20What do you think, looking at all this?
14:23Look, I think there is an atmosphere.
14:26The atmosphere there was,
14:28if you look at it from the beginning,
14:30the atmosphere was that
14:32the Democrats have played a big role
14:35in removing the government of Pakistan.
14:39And Zalmay Khalilzad, actually,
14:41we're talking about Grinnell right now,
14:43I think Khalilzad was the person
14:45who had started this tweet from the beginning
14:48and he was expecting that
14:50maybe he would come to Afghanistan.
14:53Okay, now this thing,
14:55Richard Grinnell,
14:56he has raised the bar so high
14:58that Zalmay's tweets are left behind.
15:00Zalmay has gone straight out.
15:02Although he was also very tough.
15:04But also, he wasn't taken that seriously
15:06because he's not part of the administration.
15:08Because Grinnell became a part of the administration,
15:11suddenly, those tweets became bigger.
15:13It's obvious.
15:14And he's a very important man.
15:16It's obvious from his own tweets.
15:18Okay, now the issue is that
15:20there is pressure.
15:22Okay, then what happens is
15:24when the USA said it,
15:26the European Union also said it.
15:28Because America is a superpower.
15:30You see, they tweeted
15:32that the government of Canada has shaken.
15:34They gave reservations on Germany
15:36and the government of Germany fell.
15:38So, America's world placement
15:40is completely different from this.
15:42So, now the issue is that
15:44the impression they have on Pakistan
15:46that the Biden administration
15:48was completely involved
15:50in removing Imran Khan.
15:52This is the impression of the Republicans.
15:54So, our impression,
15:56whether you give importance or not.
15:58And Trump is such a man
16:00who has to do every wrong right
16:02that Biden has done.
16:04So, the domestic politics
16:06is also playing a role.
16:08The pressure from the British
16:10on the military courts
16:12and the European Union
16:14will not become international pressure.
16:16It has already become.
16:18Now, if we want to wait...
16:20But what if the phone rings?
16:22Do we have options?
16:24No, the phone may not even ring.
16:26The phone will not ring.
16:28It will only delay the IMF case.
16:30But the situation is not like
16:32that the next phone call
16:34will say that I am coming.
16:36But the last time
16:38the Under Secretary
16:40went to meet Donald Trump
16:42and he had a full conversation.
16:44Do you think this kind of
16:46contact with Fahad will happen again?
16:48First you answer and then
16:50I will ask Fahad.
16:52Fahad, let me start with this question.
16:54Will there be a phone call
16:56or contact?
16:58How do you see it?
17:00There are two ways.
17:02One is that nothing will happen.
17:04Trump will start his work
17:06and everything will fade out.
17:08The other way is that
17:10he will do something actively.
17:12He will make a phone call.
17:14We are an under-secretary.
17:16Richard Boucher used to
17:18give lectures to all of us.
17:20So, if something like that happens
17:22till now we are hearing
17:24that we will decide
17:26according to our laws.
17:28What will happen if
17:30such a contact happens?
17:32Kashif,
17:34the fundamental difference
17:36is that
17:38earlier
17:40it was said that
17:42when Trump comes
17:44he will have 50
17:46priorities on his table.
17:48He will first look at Ukraine,
17:50Middle East, NATO
17:52etc.
17:54We don't know where Pakistan and
17:56Imran Khan will be.
17:58The difference is that
18:00Pakistan and Imran Khan's
18:02issue is on the radar.
18:04So, if the 20-25
18:06things that Trump will
18:08have on his table on 20th January
18:10it is possible that
18:12Imran Khan and
18:14Pakistan's issue will also be there.
18:16How will they deal with it?
18:18I don't think that
18:20he will start his work the next day.
18:22But the very fact that
18:24it is on the radar and
18:26a person from his administration
18:28has tweeted very harshly
18:30about Pakistan.
18:32So, now
18:34the things that
18:36were not possible
18:38have become
18:40probable.
18:42So, if this probability
18:44comes into action,
18:46Mr. Fahad,
18:48as much as we know
18:50Donald Trump,
18:52Donald Trump is not
18:54a regular person.
18:56He makes very irregular choices.
18:58His choices are not
19:00really following a pattern.
19:02He doesn't follow a pattern.
19:04He does what he wants.
19:06He will do what suits him.
19:08If it suits him,
19:10and my question is that
19:12if a call or a message
19:14is conveyed that
19:16Imran Khan is against human rights,
19:18you have forced him to go to jail,
19:20there are flimsy cases,
19:22what will we do?
19:24No,
19:26we won't have space.
19:28But I think,
19:30it won't be that they call him and
19:32tell him to leave.
19:34Most likely,
19:36there can be an off-the-cuff remark
19:38which is actually not off-the-cuff,
19:40it is planned.
19:42And he might say at any press conference
19:44or any media interaction
19:46or even a tweet that
19:48Imran Khan is my good friend
19:50and he is being treated unfairly in Pakistan.
19:52They will start pushing
19:54at an institutional level.
19:56And to tolerate that,
19:58if they are genuinely saying
20:00that you should give him relief,
20:02I don't think Pakistan will say
20:04that you should do your job.
20:06It is not possible.
20:08We are too dependent on them.
20:10Therefore, the actual failure
20:12of the government is that
20:14A, they couldn't predict it,
20:16B, they couldn't manage it.
20:18They have no options.
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26:26Welcome back Naseem Fawad Chowdhury
26:28Rana Sanwala says who is Donald Trump?
26:30No, he didn't say that.
26:32No, he didn't say that.
26:34No, he didn't say that.
26:36He said we won't make a policy on Donald Trump.
26:38That's right.
26:40But Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:42Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:44Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:46Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:48Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:50The problem is that in Pakistan
26:52Rana Sanwala's policy is already right.
26:54We discussed this in our intro
26:56and later with Fahad as well.
26:58If there is pressure
27:00you can't defy it.
27:02This is a reality.
27:04We have to see where the balance is.
27:06In my opinion, the best thing that can happen to Pakistan
27:08is that we resolve our issues
27:10instead of our external problems.
27:12Is Imran Khan ready to give time to this government
27:14Is Imran Khan ready to give time to this government
27:16that even if he comes out
27:18there will be no campaign against this government?
27:20The thing is that
27:22when Imran Khan is sitting here
27:24it is not possible that
27:26everything will be done by PTI.
27:28Even PTI has to agree to some things.
27:30Why have we come here?
27:32We have come here
27:34because the revolution is not being managed
27:36by Tariq-e-Insaf
27:38and Imran Khan is not being managed
27:40by the government and the establishment.
27:42If one of the two things had been done
27:44we would not have come here.
27:46There is no take-all.
27:48If you were in a position to give
27:50advice to Imran Khan
27:52are we in a strong position
27:54or are we weak?
27:56The main issue of Tariq-e-Insaf
27:58is that it wants to
28:00be in a take-all position.
28:02This is not a parliamentary form of government.
28:04No matter how popular you are
28:06in a parliamentary form of government
28:08you have to make alliances
28:10and make things.
28:12The two biggest mistakes
28:14that Imran Khan made
28:16and I told him
28:18and he agreed with me
28:20is that you did not run the campaign
28:22on the 9th.
28:24If you had to take a take-all position
28:26you had to do it on the 9th of February.
28:28The day you did not do it
28:30you sat at home.
28:32In my opinion,
28:34you should not have
28:36negotiated with the government.
28:38You should have negotiated with the government
28:40by making alliances.
28:42I agree with this.
28:44Everyone has their own demands.
28:46Why would people come to demand Tariq-e-Insaf?
28:48They can say that there should be
28:50an election audit
28:52and elections should be clean.
28:54But why would Imran Khan
28:56and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
28:58want Imran Khan?
29:00First of all,
29:02Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
29:04and Imran Khan have the same position
29:06on three or four major issues.
29:08Imran Khan and Maulana have the same position
29:10on Afghanistan.
29:12Now the problem is
29:14that Imran Khan and Maulana
29:16have the same position
29:18on elections.
29:20Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
29:22and Imran Khan have the same position
29:24on the release of Imran Khan.
29:26The problem is
29:28that when you jump right in
29:30and say that there will be
29:32an election alliance.
29:34There is no election alliance.
29:36What would you say to Imran Khan?
29:38Are you in a strong position
29:40or a weak position?
29:42First of all,
29:44Imran Khan's position is much better.
29:46But again,
29:48defeating everything
29:50is not possible for PTI.
29:52So you will have to take a position
29:54in the middle.
29:56Like you just said,
29:58what time do they have?
30:00I think they should give it to Imran Khan.
30:02But wouldn't it be seen as a deal?
30:04Why would it be seen as a deal?
30:06For example,
30:08where do you want to start?
30:10Do you need Imran Khan
30:12to reorganize PTI?
30:14Because the current
30:16leadership or PTI
30:18is in a very weak position.
30:20But Imran Khan has already
30:22taken two or three lines
30:24in the elections.
30:26So he thinks he is in a good position.
30:28But there is a tricky question.
30:30The tricky question is
30:32that we know that
30:34what is the position
30:36of Imran Khan
30:38at the moment?
30:40Imran Khan doesn't want to come out.
30:42He wants to stay inside.
30:44We don't want to talk to him.
30:46It is a very tough position.
30:48The question is
30:50whether Maulana Fazlur Rahman
30:52will make an alliance
30:54with Imran Khan
30:56in such a way
30:58that he pushes the establishment
31:00to support Imran Khan.
31:02The thing is that
31:04they are not running an NGO.
31:06You have to sit down
31:08and talk to them.
31:10For the Jamaat-e-Islami,
31:12Karachi is a political deal.
31:14Similarly,
31:16GDA has its own political deal.
31:18Maulana has his own political deal.
31:20That is the second phase.
31:22Sir, you are talking about PTI.
31:24But the question is
31:26that before making a deal with PTI,
31:28Maulana will think
31:30that if we win this war,
31:32then my deals will be good
31:34If the establishment wins,
31:36then what will happen to me?
31:38The thing is that
31:40Maulana's establishment
31:42is not doing well.
31:44You also know that
31:46you keep meeting Maulana.
31:48You keep talking to him.
31:50You keep contacting him.
31:52You keep contacting him.
31:54You keep contacting him.
31:56You keep contacting him.
31:58You keep contacting him.
32:00You keep contacting him.
32:02If Shahbaz Sharif can become
32:04the Prime Minister on 18 seats,
32:06then Maulana's party will win.
32:08The fact is that there are issues.
32:10And those issues can worsen.
32:12They can get worse.
32:14Can Maulana make a decision
32:16in his own political calculus
32:18that he will stand with Imran?
32:20Because you are saying
32:22that there should be an alliance.
32:24Mr. Zaheer's politics has always been like this.
32:26He has a very dynamic policy.
32:28Maulana always looks for a way
32:30to push the establishment
32:32in such a situation.
32:34See, the establishment
32:36had pushed them.
32:38The establishment had to put
32:40Maulana in jail.
32:42Now you have given them space.
32:44Now you have wasted so much time.
32:46And if they go there,
32:48then it is your fault.
32:50But does it suit Maulana
32:52that the establishment
32:54finishes Imran Khan?
32:56No, it doesn't suit him.
32:58But it didn't happen.
33:00In my opinion,
33:02if the establishment
33:04had chosen Imran Khan
33:06and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
33:08then it would have been fine.
33:10They didn't choose Maulana.
33:12You left three months ago
33:14when the relationship was very bad.
33:16Now they are better.
33:18Of course, they have to move forward.
33:20But nonetheless, you didn't make an alliance
33:22and you didn't run a campaign.
33:24These are two big failures.
33:26If they take Imran Khan out of jail
33:28and shift him to Benigala,
33:30then they should do it immediately.
33:32I have heard that there is an option.
33:34Yes, there is an option.
33:36Jazali Amin has said
33:38that they should shift him to Peshawar.
33:40I think it should be done immediately.
33:42I don't think the establishment will do it.
33:44I don't know.
33:46But the temperature will come down.
33:48As I am telling you,
33:50on the first day of PTI...
33:52If Imran Khan has to come out,
33:54if he doesn't want to come out,
33:56then why should we talk about it later?
33:58If they want to get relief first...
34:00No, no.
34:02Imran Khan's demands are basically elections.
34:04The real demand is elections.
34:06The first demand is freedom.
34:08This is the first demand.
34:10This is what you said.
34:12Who told Maulana that
34:14if Imran Khan comes out,
34:16then the government will go.
34:18If the government goes,
34:20then elections.
34:22Imran Khan couldn't execute
34:24his plan in two years.
34:26PTI couldn't execute its plan.
34:28This is why we are sitting here.
34:30This is why we are talking.
34:32Now we have to see what PTI can do.
34:34You asked the question.
34:36What concessions can PTI give
34:38and what concessions can the government give?
34:40In my opinion,
34:42the biggest benefit for Pakistan
34:44is that the political temperature comes down.
34:46Imran Khan also benefits from this.
34:48Actually, the government also benefits.
34:50The public demand should be
34:52that Imran Khan should be released immediately.
34:54But the 700 political people
34:56inside the government
34:58should be thrown out.
35:00But what...
35:02In my opinion,
35:04unless Tariq-e-Insaf
35:06gives time to the government,
35:08the government can't give anything to Tariq-e-Insaf.
35:10The government should give time to PTI.
35:12No problem.
35:14If they give time to the government,
35:16then Imran Khan can be released.
35:18They will give time.
35:20The problem is how much time.
35:22Now the question is...
35:24This is another issue of Imran Khan.
35:26He keeps saying that he won't deal.
35:28This is a deal.
35:30Amit Raza was sitting here and said
35:32that this is not an option.
35:34This is not a deal.
35:36This is a matter of engagement.
35:38He said that how is it possible
35:40that a political party like PTI
35:42should be released and Tariq-e-Insaf
35:44should not be run against the government?
35:46Imran Khan has come out.
35:48He doesn't need time.
35:50But the time that Imran Khan
35:52needs to come out,
35:54he can be run against.
35:56Let's take a break.
35:58Welcome back.
36:00Mr. Fawad, Imran Khan said
36:02that if he makes a deal,
36:04he will become Shahbaz Sharif.
36:06So what you are saying
36:08that he should give one or two years
36:10to the government,
36:12it will be considered a deal.
36:14In PTI's politics,
36:16a very fine line
36:18that will define the future
36:20is that there should be
36:22engagement and there should
36:24not be an impression of a deal.
36:26But if he comes out and sits
36:28and the government doesn't fall
36:30or doesn't hold a rally,
36:32then the impression will be
36:34that he has made a deal.
36:36Do you remember that
36:38one of Mrs. Maryam's twitter
36:40went silent?
36:42What Mr. Fawad is saying
36:44is that how much time
36:46is left for Imran Khan's release.
36:48It is not possible that
36:50Imran Khan will come out
36:52and he will remain silent.
36:54Thank you very much,
36:56Mr. Fawad.