Sheikh Waqas Akram reacts to military courts sentences against May 9 rioters

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00:00Sheikh sahab, thank you very much for joining me in the program.

00:03On one hand, Pakistan was going to negotiate the justice of Tehreek-e-Insaf with the government.

00:07On the other hand, this decision has come.

00:09Now the question is that the crime or its punishment cannot be stopped.

00:14And the negotiations are also trying to move forward.

00:17But now, how will the environment of these negotiations be, Sheikh sahab?

00:21Look, as Secretary General rightly said, these things will not have any effect on him.

00:27Basically, these punishments are wrong.

00:30Because the position of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in the civilian military trial is very clear.

00:38According to the constitution, according to international law, according to Pakistani law,

00:43it is inappropriate to try these offences in the military court or in the civilian court.

00:49And Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's Secretary General has made it clear today that we object to it.

00:58So obviously, there are legal remedies in it, as you mentioned in your intro.

01:03And we will avail all those remedies and will go to its appeal.

01:07The right of appeal is present.

01:09And God willing, we will prove that this is not the case.

01:14And it would have been better if we had waited for the Supreme Court to give us the details,

01:19so that you would remember the conditionals they had allowed for the cases.

01:26And if they had given us the details, it would have been much better.

01:29But anyway, we still think that this is not right.

01:34You will remember that the terrorists of the Jhangvi Army, TTP and Al-Qaeda,

01:43when they had to appeal in the courts, an amendment was brought for them.

01:48And these are civilians.

01:50These terrorists do not belong to the Jamaat.

01:52These are not terrorists.

01:53These are not militants.

01:54These are politically active workers who are using their right to protest.

02:01We are in a very clear position on this, without going into any debate.

02:04We want a judicial commission to be established on this.

02:07And if the facts are revealed, if someone has made a mistake in it,

02:11Mr. Khan has already said this, the party is very clear on this.

02:15So, coming back to your original question, it won't have any impact on the negotiations.

02:22If at all, with concerned quarters, the negotiations will continue.

02:26Mr. Sheikh, the amendment you are talking about is the 2015 amendment,

02:30which was basically made under Pakistan Army Act 1952.

02:33After which it was very clear that if someone attacks military installations,

02:37then that civilian can be tried in the military court.

02:40Having said that, the Constitutional Bench had also made it clear

02:43that 85 civilians should be tried in the military courts.

02:46And certainly, any political party has the right to protest.

02:51But no political party, no civilian has the right to attack military installations or government buildings.

02:59And if, as you are saying, a judicial commission is established,

03:04if it has been proved with the help of geofencing, with the help of footages,

03:10with the help of...

03:11Now, the confession has also come, Mr. Sheikh.

03:13Then, where will it be?

03:14You don't believe me, right?

03:15If you had read the law on confession, or signed it, then it was fine.

03:19When you take a confession in your custody,

03:23then what is the importance of it, how is it done,

03:26the accused's lawyer is present there, the law is heavily dependent on that.

03:30So, I think, we think that we have the remedies,

03:34and we will challenge it.

03:36If Allah wills it and we are on the right path, then we will definitely get justice.

03:40We don't believe in it.

03:41Allah is the best adviser.

03:42So, you have made it clear that the confessional statements

03:46are completely rejected by Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

03:51Look, he is a poor political worker.

03:54If I give your channel's owner a charge in this kind of custody,

03:58then he will say that I am an agent of RAW.

04:00Okay?

04:01So, I think that we don't go that way.

04:05This debate is wrong.

04:06We will go to the courts.

04:08We have the legal remedy for it.

04:11If Allah wills it, we will do it.

04:13This is according to the law, that we will challenge it.

04:16We will appeal.

04:17Okay.

04:18So, we have the appeal.

04:19Now, who said what?

04:20How did it happen?

04:21Why did it happen?

04:22Now, everyone has done it in the courts.

04:24These packages are still going on in the media.

04:27It's okay.

04:28We have to give the news.

04:30We can't suppress the news.

04:31I have no objection to it.

04:32I have no objection to it.

04:33I have no objection to it.

04:34I have no objection to it.

04:35I said, let me make it clear.

04:36The packages are going on because there is news.

04:38The media's job is to give the news.

04:40All the channels have the same news and the same kind of packages.

04:43Obviously, when the confessional statements will come,

04:45they will be handled in the same way.

04:47I have no objection to it.

04:48Okay.

04:49It's a point note.

04:50I am glad that you have no objection.

04:52If you don't consider the content to be Pakistani,

04:54at least give us the right to appeal.

04:56You have the right to appeal, right?

04:58Yes.

04:59You have the right to appeal, right?

05:01Yes.

05:02If this right was suppressed that you can't even appeal,

05:05that's it, this is the last decision,

05:07then it could have been said that the rights are being killed here.

05:12No, look at the rights.

05:14There are rights at every step.

05:16And you don't see a big picture in it.

05:18You don't see a big picture in it.

05:20If you want to start counting from the rights,

05:22then who was arrested, where was he kept,

05:24when was he arrested.

05:26What does God say?

05:27How many days was he kept without arrest?

05:29How many days was he killed in arrest?

05:31How many days was his lawyer provided?

05:33That is a long list.

05:35Leave it.

05:36That's it.

05:37It's a right.

05:38Allah will give us a chance.

05:39InshaAllah.

05:40If you say so, leave it.

05:41Let's move on.

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