👉 Alejandro Pata fue encontrado muerto en su casa en Esquina, Corrientes, con un disparo en el pecho. Su muerte ha dejado a muchos desconcertados, incluyendo a aquellos que estaban cerca de él.
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00:00Yesterday afternoon, I got a call from Alejandro Pata.
00:05I had a smooth day with him. Very smooth, I would say.
00:10In fact, we had agreed that on Friday he would be in Goya.
00:16We were going to talk and we were not going to give the pleasure of giving us a hug.
00:21What broke him? No, I don't know. I'm not going to speculate.
00:25I'm not going to make any assumptions about what happened to Alejandro.
00:34During this program, we are going to talk about Alejandro.
00:39How I know him, how he behaved in my house, what he did in my house.
00:48What were the last talks?
00:51He was a guy who wanted the truth.
00:57And the only thing I'm going to claim from justice is that I want to know what happened.
01:03I repeat, I'm not going to make any assumptions or say anything I don't know.
01:13Now, what I am going to demand from justice is that it makes us know the result of the autopsy.
01:22That it makes us know the electronic sweeping in the hands to see what result it gives.
01:32I'm going to demand from justice that it does the psychological autopsy.
01:39Psychological autopsy, which in these cases is more than important.
01:43And why do I clarify all this?
01:45Because then they tell you, ah, no, we didn't know here.
01:49The psychological autopsy in these cases is decisive to see what was going on in the person's head.
02:00If it was he who attacked his life.
02:07And why?
02:11Because many times they corner you and lead you to make wrong decisions.
02:21It is not necessary for them to point a gun at you and you die.
02:29Many times the word is much worse than a person armed in front.
02:37The shot is in the heart.
02:41Those of us who are linked to the world of security, of investigation,
02:49we know that a shot in the chest, in the heart, is a clear message.
02:57Anyone who has two fingers in front and commits these crazy things, chooses another way.
03:07Obviously they will see that I am taking care of my words and that I do not want to say anything outside of what hurts people.
03:20I hug myself immensely and from the soul to the son.
03:26The children.
03:30But the eldest son was proud of what his father said behind his back.
03:38Alejandro lived or died for his children.
03:41He lived or died for his children.
03:49They tell me of a message that leaves as a farewell.
03:54Do you have it, Vanina? Give it to me.
03:58Give it to me.
04:01It really hurts me a lot to do this program and see Ale's face.
04:11They tell me very early today, I would say early in the morning, of what was happening.
04:17And supposedly, and I will say supposedly because when I speak of psychological autopsies, this is it.
04:28It is to see, for example, if he wrote this, if someone wrote for him.
04:35Because if you tell me alive, I don't think I'll be able to spend the holidays.
04:41It's making me understand something.
04:43And if I offended someone, I apologize.
04:48And here comes the most important part.
04:51And if someone deserves it, may God forgive him.
04:56It seems to me more a message than a farewell.
05:01It seems to me more a message than a farewell.
05:09I don't know what you think, Diego.
05:11We talked about it very early.
05:14Well, as always happens in these cases, more questions than answers, right?
05:20Based on the questions, we find answers.
05:23I think you are an undoubted source of at least what happened to Alejandro with the LOAN cause, right?
05:32Let's remember, you disembark with him in the cause.
05:36In fact, the parents of LOAN come to this studio, break the silence and decide to speak for the first time in a television studio.
05:46Thanks to Alejandro Pata, who I remember, stood in the place where Chiche was, our floor assistant.
05:53He asked not to be identified.
05:56But he was the person, let's say, who was the mediator between LOAN, between the LOAN family and journalism.
06:04In this way, in this way, Alejandro Pata arrived in Buenos Aires.
06:12That was the truck, I understand, of Alejandro, who put everything.
06:18He put the economic part, he put his own vehicle, for example, to take, this was on July 10th.
06:24A month later, less than a month after the disappearance of LOAN, on June 13th.
06:29I remember the story we had in private, because at first he didn't want to go out.
06:36He was a friend, he was, he was a friend of Roberto Mendez, the current lawyer.
06:42Then Gallegos joined, but Roberto Mendez, the lawyer who has been with the family from almost zero to zero,
06:49who didn't even have a remission, and Alejandro Pata, from the bottom of his heart,
06:53was the one who took Mendez from July 9th to Algorrobal.
06:59He went and came, and there you have it.
07:02Arriving at this television studio with José Padre, with Mariano.
07:09What a postcard, right? From prehistory, you hugging Mariano,
07:15receiving them in your own house, and Alejandro, who was a mediator.
07:21A man, correct me if I'm wrong, who was part of this group of hunters,
07:28who from minute one offered themselves, first to look for LOAN, right?
07:33When it was believed, it was still believed that it was missing.
07:38They knew the terrain very well, it was a hunting ground.
07:43There were some controversies surrounding this group of hunters,
07:45but both Mendez and Alejandro Pata were part of this association,
07:51and from minute one, they offered themselves to help.
07:56I was going to say, in exchange for nothing, of course.
07:59In the beginning, in exchange for nothing.
08:01After the collection that happened in this program,
08:05a collection that began here, a millionaire, there began to be money.
08:10And that's where the discrepancies began, right?
08:12If you want that part of the story, I imagine,
08:16because there are many things that he told you,
08:19that logically, with him alive, were part of an off-the-record,
08:22and as he is not here now, I think they make him even nobler,
08:26and as we just talked out of the blue, they deserve to be told,
08:31to tell this Alejandro Pata, right?
08:34Linked to the LOAN cause.
08:36Then there will be another story linked to his personal life,
08:40which, in part, is what happened last night, right?
08:44And that's the chronicle, too.
08:46In the city of Esquina Corrientes,
08:48with 15 shots that would have been fired inside the house,
08:52with the presence of his wife, who, by the way, is also a policewoman.
08:58His little son was there, I understand he was four years old,
09:02and his oldest son, two days ago.
09:05He had turned 18.
09:07Alejandro Pata comes out after the neighbors say they heard
09:12about 15 shots.
09:14He comes out to the door of the house, he withdraws.
09:16He would have told his son,
09:18take care of your brother, and he would have taken his own life, right?
09:23According to one of the versions,
09:25perhaps the firmest so far, with a shot to the heart.
09:29Well, just Carlitos Estrione, out of the air, said,
09:33you remind me of the death of Favaloro, right?
09:37With a shot to the heart,
09:39and look, if not a symbolic death, right?
09:42I try to understand what happened.
09:46I try, and I swear, I say,
09:49it's hard for me to understand
09:53what happened from afternoon to night.
09:57Because in the afternoon you talked to him.
09:59Look, give me the message,
10:01the last message I have with him,
10:03and then there is a call, but the last message from him.
10:09That is, yes, yes, it is good that the above has occurred.
10:13That of yesterday,
10:15he says to me, first, I assure you that you pass by the corner,
10:18from there and back,
10:20the doors of my house are open for you,
10:22more for you, we eat a barbecue, a stew,
10:25if you have time.
10:27For the trip to Corrientes on Friday.
10:32So, I call him,
10:35first he asks me if I can talk, I said yes, I called him.
10:39He was normal, he was fine,
10:42always talking about the same thing.
10:44What happened to Loan?
10:47Where is Loan?
10:52It was something that hurt him.
10:54It hurt him a lot,
10:56but a lot, a lot,
11:00when you have to separate from the cause,
11:04or at least from the search,
11:06together,
11:08because he never stopped looking for them.
11:10He never stopped looking for Loan,
11:12to know, to get together, to talk, to go, to recover.
11:16One of the few noble gestures
11:18that one saw in this cause until today, right?
11:20Look, if we talk about
11:22nobles,
11:24or honesty,
11:26I have to be honest about something.
11:30When he came to my house,
11:32and Mariano Peña
11:34came with us to the Chinese supermarket,
11:40the one who put his hand in the pocket to pay for things
11:44was Alejandro Pata,
11:46which I said, no, they are my guests, I pay.
11:52We ate,
11:54we talked,
11:56he told me a lot of things
11:58that will stay in my memory,
12:01because I have no proof.
12:03In front of Jose and Mariano?
12:05No, behind them, no, no, without them.
12:07It's like this, Mariano at the time said to me,
12:10can you put the Argentine football match for me?
12:13I put the Argentine football match for him.
12:17If they say no,
12:19they will force me to show photos.
12:21That's how easy it is, I'll tell you.
12:25The father sitting in a chair,
12:31eating pizza,
12:36Mendez
12:39studying the play,
12:42and telling me that,
12:44telling me a little about his career,
12:47which was very short,
12:49in criminal matters.
12:52No, no, no, because he recognized him,
12:54that he didn't turn his back on him.
12:56He recognized him in my house,
12:58that he didn't turn his back on him to cause something.
13:00That he had surpassed him.
13:02Let's see, he surpassed everyone, no.
13:04Mendez, he surpassed everyone.
13:06I remember that he was very afraid.
13:08In fact, he told me that he was followed by drones.
13:14It's a lot.
13:16But hey, he was followed by drones,
13:18he said,
13:19to the house of a relative.
13:23That's Mendez.
13:25That's Mendez.
13:27Alejandro, no, no, Alejandro also told me,
13:29look, we're coming in tight,
13:31that they were afraid
13:33that something could happen to them.
13:39When they leave my house,
13:42in the truck,
13:44then they tell me this,
13:47that
13:49I tell them, look,
13:51what we can do the next day,
13:53which is the program,
13:55which was the day we were all here on the floor,
14:02he told me
14:04that they didn't have a coin,
14:06that they didn't have a coin.
14:08In fact, look at the codes that Alejandro had.
14:10Alejandro,
14:12Alejandro,
14:14to come to Buenos Aires,
14:16once they knew that he was going to be with me,
14:18he called Canal 13,
14:20he called Telefe,
14:22that they put him in a hotel,
14:24that they paid him fuel,
14:26that they paid him everything.
14:28Alejandro said, no, no,
14:30my word was with Nahuel,
14:32and I'm going to Nahuel's house.
14:34In fact, he twisted Mendez's arm, right?
14:36He twisted Mendez's arm, exactly.
14:39So,
14:43he tells me
14:45that
14:48they were coming to the program,
14:50that we were going to the program,
14:52and that's when I tell him,
14:54but if you don't have a coin,
14:56why don't you put,
14:58don't you have a markup?
15:00He says, yes, I have a markup.
15:02That's when I tell him,
15:04look, let's do one thing,
15:06I'm going to make you put your markup on the program
15:08so that the money that gathers
15:10you have to eat at least.
15:12I never thought,
15:14I never thought
15:15that it was going to be so much money.
15:17I never thought it.
15:19One is used to it,
15:21and more when I came,
15:23I came from Chronica,
15:25you do a lot of solidarity,
15:27solidarity mobiles,
15:29and the truth is that you gather
15:31100, 200, 300,
15:331000 pesos for food,
15:35to buy a plate,
15:37we never understood
15:39that it was going to be so much money.
15:41Don't let me get involved, guys.
15:43The solidarity programs
15:45have always been there.
15:48And that day,
15:50when Mariano starts crying,
15:53which, honestly,
15:55I thought he was crying for something else,
15:57and no, he cried for the number he saw,
15:59that we all froze.
16:03We had to talk to the management,
16:05because how do we say
16:08that at that moment
16:12he had 70 million mangoes
16:13in a cell phone?
16:15I say, get out of here and steal them.
16:17Stop zero.
16:19Let's see, the managers here say,
16:21listen to me, it's a danger,
16:23because with 70 million pesos,
16:25here in Buenos Aires,
16:27they kill you for 100,000 pesos,
16:29imagine for 70 million.
16:31Don't say the amount,
16:33don't say the amount,
16:35don't say the amount, perfect,
16:37don't say the amount.
16:39He tells me that when he was leaving in the truck,
16:41Mariano tells Mendes,
16:43I want to transfer you something.
16:45Mendes says yes,
16:47he transfers him 20 million pesos.
16:49You never told him this.
16:51No, and I'm going to tell you a lot more today.
16:53In memory of Alejandro.
16:57I always gave him my word
16:59that I was never going to talk
17:01about a lot of things
17:03that he asked me not to talk about
17:05in life.
17:07Of course.
17:09In life.
17:11Did he ever tell you
17:13that he loved you?
17:15No.
17:17Do you know what he lived?
17:19No.
17:21I know what he lived,
17:23the love he had,
17:25his life was his children.
17:27His life was his children.
17:29In fact, I know there was,
17:31I remember,
17:33at one point he sent me messages
17:35from his wife,
17:37from his wife,
17:39because at one point
17:41he receives that money,
17:43he tells me,
17:45I open up about this
17:47because there is something
17:49that is not closing me
17:51and there are things
17:53that I don't like,
17:55so I open up about the loan,
17:57I don't open up about the cause,
17:59I open up about the people.
18:01So my question was,
18:03did you receive money
18:05from the donations?
18:07Yes, Grandpa.
18:09How much did you receive?
18:1110 million pesos.
18:13If that money
18:15is not being used
18:17to,
18:19if that money is not being used
18:21to look for Loan,
18:23that money should go back
18:25to the people,
18:27not to the Loan family,
18:29to the people.
18:31And this message,
18:33did he send you the evidence?
18:35He sent me the evidence
18:37because, wait,
18:39this is not that fast.
18:41So the woman told him,
18:43no, Alejandro,
18:45you put the fuel,
18:47the truck,
18:49you spent the truck,
18:51your time,
18:53bringing it to Buenos Aires,
18:55Corrientes, July 9th,
18:57all of that was spent.
18:59He still said,
19:01I don't care,
19:03I have to give this money back
19:05because if this money
19:07was not being used
19:09to find Loan,
19:11I don't have to have it.
19:13So he started to collaborate
19:15with the Loan family.
19:17There are the evidence.
19:19He put all the evidence
19:21and sent them to me.
19:23And in fact,
19:25today I show them
19:27because he asked me in life,
19:29Grandpa, I don't want you
19:31to show these things
19:33to the public.
19:35I just need to show it to you
19:37so you know
19:39that I'm giving that money back.
19:41He sells a truck,
19:43that red one,
19:45he sold it
19:47to pay
19:49the 10 million pesos.
19:51Not only that,
19:54but he also offered me
19:56a legal rifle,
19:59if I could help him
20:01to sell it
20:03to an armory in Buenos Aires
20:05or to a legitimate user
20:08to be able to continue
20:10paying the loan.
20:12A guy who leaves this world,
20:15in my opinion,
20:17through the big door,
20:20I'm not going to argue
20:22what happened.
20:24What happened
20:26will have to be told to me
20:28by justice.
20:30And I hope it's up to the circumstances,
20:32not like with the Loan case,
20:34but that it's up to the circumstances
20:36and I hope
20:38it's up to the circumstances
20:39because
20:41for me,
20:43that message
20:45is not saying goodbye,
20:49but it's sending a message
20:51to someone.
20:54And the shot in the heart
20:57is not
20:59casual,
21:01it's not normal.
21:03Can it happen?
21:05Yes, of course,
21:07it happened with Favaloro.
21:09Can you tell us a message?
21:11Where is it?
21:13If we can put it back,
21:15where do you think
21:17there could be a message?
21:19In what part of what he says?
21:21I don't want to go to parties.
21:23Stop right there.
21:25Why don't you believe
21:27you're going to a party?
21:29He spoke to me yesterday afternoon.
21:31He told me,
21:33Grandpa, I'm going through a bad time.
21:35I'm going through a bad time.
21:37He called me a thousand times
21:40when he was angry with Mendes,
21:42when he was angry with Macey.
21:44He always called me.
21:46Did he tell you about his wife?
21:48He told me about his wife.
21:50He reproached her.
21:52I had a constant and fluid dialogue with him.
21:54And in fact,
21:56if you doubt it,
21:58kidnap his cell phone.
22:00My message has to be there,
22:02the conversations.
22:04And I told him,
22:06don't worry, Ale,
22:08because you went for a truth.
22:11And if you,
22:13or there are people who money confuses or changes it,
22:16you are not those people.
22:19You are not.
22:22And the last part,
22:24he tells you,
22:26if he offended someone, apologize.
22:28Yes?
22:31And if someone deserves it,
22:33may God forgive him.
22:34When he is saying,
22:36if someone deserves it,
22:38may God forgive him,
22:40he is talking about death.
22:45And I think that phrase is,
22:48if someone did something to Luan,
22:50may God forgive him.
22:52Do you think that today,
22:54Alejandro, wherever he is,
22:56knows the truth?
22:58I think that Ale has gone to another plane today.
23:01Yes?
23:03The one who is growing up,
23:07or the one who thinks that there is something more after this life,
23:12he already went through it.
23:14And if he went through it,
23:16he already knows the whole truth of what happened to Luan.
23:19He just asked you if he was afraid.
23:21And let me close with that.
23:25I am not very growing up.
23:27I believe in what I see.
23:32But if he is seeing from the other plane,
23:35what happened to Luan,
23:37that guides us to what we are really asking for justice for him,
23:41be it Judge Poser-Penson,
23:45be it journalists,
23:50and that is where I will stand.