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00:00Mr. Afnaan, you, your allies and those who are standing with you are also with you.
00:07I can talk about PM Leni, but not about others.
00:12No, look, your allies are with you.
00:14You were around Maulana during the 26th amendment.
00:17No, look, the allies make their own decisions.
00:20We can only say one thing about them, we can't say more.
00:24Are you only talking about the allies?
00:27The allies and the rest of the people make their own decisions.
00:30What do you do? Who makes your decisions?
00:32We try to make our own decisions.
00:35You try? How successful are your attempts?
00:37Look, if the government is a coalition government,
00:40and you have to take a lot of support, then obviously you can't do a lot of things.
00:45You don't seem happy. Even if you get the government, you're not happy.
00:48I'm telling you the reality.
00:52In a coalition government, things work the same way.
00:56We try to...
00:58This is a good way to take responsibility from your shoulders and put it on someone else's shoulders,
01:03so that if something goes wrong tomorrow, you can say, we weren't involved.
01:06No, you tell me if I've said something wrong.
01:08I'm just asking, why are you sitting in the government?
01:10No, then they let the country default.
01:13If you don't come, the country will default.
01:15Who will do it? You tell me.
01:17They let the country default.
01:20They were campaigning for the country to default.
01:23Thank God, it worked.
01:25You're talking about PTI.
01:27Shahbaz and Mareem Nawaz have worked very hard.
01:30If it didn't work, then you can see.
01:32The situation in the country was very bad.
01:34What's the situation now?
01:36Thank God, there's no chance of default.
01:38And what's the situation in your government?
01:40Our situation is the same as it was before, but the situation in the country has started to improve.
01:45And this sacrifice is acceptable to you?
01:47It's acceptable to us.
01:49We don't have a choice.
01:50We can't destroy the country.
01:52We have to run the country.
01:53We're running it.
01:54You've pointed towards PTI.
01:56Mr. Kamran, there's a lot of talk about your meeting with Mr. Hassan Qaisar.
02:01What did you talk about, Mr. Senator?
02:06While we were walking in Jai Namaaz,
02:08we read the Friday prayers in the Parliament House.
02:13He was standing in front of me.
02:15I was standing behind him.
02:16He had already seen it.
02:18He waved at me.
02:20I stopped.
02:21We prayed.
02:22He asked me what he could do for me in regards to Madaris.
02:29I told him that he could help me.
02:32But first, the policy in the party should be in one line.
02:37Because if a friend is saying something, you're saying something else.
02:40So you should come in one line.
02:41Secondly, I spoke to the government about the negotiations.
02:45I told them to do the negotiations.
02:49Negotiations are a good thing.
02:51Politicians do it.
02:52As an observer, you should do the negotiations under their supervision.
03:00So that tomorrow, there's someone to tell you
03:03if there's been a problem,
03:06whose part it is.
03:07Otherwise, if your negotiations fail tomorrow,
03:10you'll say that it's because of the government.
03:13The government will say that it's because of you.
03:15So you should keep Maulana.
03:17If you don't like Maulana, you can keep someone else.
03:22So Mr. Kamran, Maulana is ready to be the bridge between the government and Pakistan in Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:30He's always ready for Pakistan.
03:35Did Asad Qaisar tell you to be the bridge between the government and Pakistan?
03:41Did he insist on this?
03:45He can't insist on this alone.
03:47He asked me when Maulana would come from Dar es Salaam.
03:52I told him that he'll come on Sunday.
03:54He said that he'll also visit by Monday.
03:56Then we'll sit and chat.
03:58But I gave him a proposal to do the negotiations.
04:02Firstly, it's important to do the negotiations.
04:04The situation with Pakistan is not good.
04:07Secondly, you should sit with someone.
04:11So that the result is good.
04:14If someone makes a mistake, he should be made to realize it.
04:19This is very interesting.
04:21But to bridge, you need two sides.
04:23One side is the PTI.
04:25They're ready to negotiate with you.
04:26They're saying that they've formed a committee.
04:28If anyone wants to negotiate, they can do it.
04:30Secondly, the government is working with Patal Motol.
04:33They've said that the water has passed under the bridge.
04:37What can we do now?
04:38Are you ready to negotiate?
04:40So that you can become a bridge?
04:42This issue of negotiations has been going on for many years.
04:46We've told them many times that we're ready to negotiate.
04:51Now they're ready.
04:52I'm ready for that.
04:53Their behavior was not good.
04:56Now they're saying that they're ready.
04:59But it doesn't mean that if you're ready, the next one should be ready too.
05:02We'll see how serious the next one is.
05:05It's not just about being ready.
05:07If you remember, when this election issue was going on in 2022,
05:11there was a committee of both the government and the opposition.
05:14They had agreed on a date that the attacks would be stopped
05:17and an election would be called.
05:19When they agreed on that, the PTI leaders were happy.
05:23Mr. Imran Khan called and said that the next government will be formed.
05:26So when this kind of behavior happens...
05:28So you're saying that you don't trust the PTI?
05:31No, I'm saying that they should take confidence-building measures.
05:35And this work will be done slowly.
05:38If they think that we'll talk to them and...
05:43No, no, for the work to progress slowly,
05:46we'll have to take the first step.
05:48Is the government taking the first step or not?
05:50The people in the government and the rest of the issues
05:53are under a lot of consideration right now.
05:56Are there any plans?
05:58If they demand it, we'll say it.
06:00If they demand it, we'll...
06:02I'm telling you personally.
06:04I don't think that if they make such a demand
06:06that you take out the Bani PTI and make them the Prime Minister,
06:09no one will listen to such a thing.
06:12I do think that you can talk about the Charter of Democracy.
06:15You can talk about the other issues that are going on in the country.
06:19You can talk about the government's improvement.
06:21You can talk about the issues that they think are important.
06:25But we'll see how serious they are.
06:28And we'll have to see how serious they are.
06:31Senator, you just said that you'll come to a page first
06:36and then you can talk about the negotiations.
06:39So, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's current negotiation team
06:43and moving forward to negotiate
06:46As a neutral spectator,
06:48Mr. Kamran, how serious do you think it is?
06:51Considering that Mr. Imran Khan has said
06:53that he thinks that everything outside the jail is fine.
06:55Yes, the thing is that the government has more responsibility.
07:01Our responsibility is less than theirs.
07:04Mr. Daqsh's responsibility is more
07:07because Allah has placed Pakistan's responsibility on his shoulders.
07:12So, even if they see some shortcomings in the PTI,
07:16even if they see a lot of shortcomings,
07:18they should still move forward.
07:20It is the responsibility of the governments to engage.
07:23Leave their intentions.
07:25Leave their mistakes.
07:28Leave whatever they said.
07:31Move forward for this country.
07:34So that if Mr. Daqsh's case is brought forward by default,
07:39then may Allah never let us go back to default.
07:42But in this country, people are still without shoes,
07:45without clean water, without medicine, without food.
07:49So, we have to fix those issues.
07:52We should not keep fighting among ourselves.
07:54But will all these issues be solved through talks?
07:58I mean, our politicians did the Charter of Democracy.
08:01Even after that, the issue of not having shoes,
08:04not having a roof over your head, not having clothes,
08:06will all these issues continue?
08:09No, they will continue. There are two or three reasons for that.
08:12One is that we have a higher rate of corruption.
08:15The resources that Allah has given us,
08:20those resources are scattered here and there.
08:22We will have to control that.
08:24The second thing is that when these two parties learned how to live,
08:28when the Charter of Democracy was implemented,
08:30then the third party came into play.
08:32So, we don't know why it came into play.
08:36But the third party came into play.
08:39And then the situation became like that.
08:41Because if the parties, the politicians,
08:43stay in front of each other like this,
08:46then politics weakens somewhere.
08:50Instead of that, people should think that this weakens Pakistan too.
08:55So, now we have to strengthen politics too.
08:58As a result, Pakistan will also be strengthened.
09:00If there are no negotiations to strengthen Pakistan,
09:03then the Civil Disobedience Movement is coming.
09:07Are you ready for that?
09:09Because earlier you said that you will stop it at a standstill.
09:11Did it reach the G-Shock?
09:13Okay, but it didn't succeed in achieving its objective.
09:16The thing is that the Civil Disobedience Movement,
09:19which Mr. Imran Khan is talking about,
09:21they have done it once in 2014 too.
09:24So, I am sure they have already done this and harmed the country.
09:27They will do it again.
09:30Are you inviting them to do it again?
09:32Is that what you are saying?
09:33No, I am not inviting them.
09:34I am saying that they have already done it.
09:35You have done this once and you failed.
09:38Even when you lost your government,
09:40you gave such calls that don't do this,
09:42don't send foreign exchange.
09:44They have already done PTI many times.
09:46So, keep doing it if you think that this is the way of your politics.
09:50That is why I am saying that people will not take your negotiations so seriously.
09:55This is not the way that you put pressure on one side
09:57and tell the other side to negotiate.
09:58It will not work like that.
10:00What you are saying that we are ready to negotiate,
10:03these are the issues.
10:04And it should be a public matter.
10:05It should be of public interest.
10:07Instead of solving my personal issues,
10:09this is not the case.
10:10Okay, Mr. Kamran, where will JUI stand
10:12if PTI does Civil Disobedience?
10:17I think that Mr. Imran Khan should withdraw this call.
10:20JUI does not believe in Civil Disobedience.
10:24Despite all our disagreements with the governments,
10:29we will not give a call for Civil Disobedience.
10:32Because this is our own country.
10:34And as a result of Civil Disobedience,
10:36suppose that there is a decrease in the amount of foreign exchange,
10:40or a decrease,
10:42then it will harm Pakistan.
10:44We are not ready to do what will harm Pakistan.
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