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This episode delves into our reactions to Gladiator 2, focusing on its graphic content and implications for young viewers. I express discomfort with its violence and discuss tonal shifts from the original movie to its sequel, emphasizing the need for humor. We critique the representation of female characters and the protagonist's character development, noting inconsistencies in the acting performances.

Additionally, we explore the unrealistic portrayal of combat and the sequel's lack of political intrigue, which diminishes its narrative complexity. We conclude with suggestions for improvement, highlighting the challenges of recapturing the original film's essence.

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00:00All right so we went to go and see a movie i'm gonna say right up front i was not comfortable with the gore why my precious tender little angel of a child i felt the need to cover your eyes as i faint but i fainted first i can look i can't believe.
00:14What is available for kids to see like there was like the capitations yeah fourteen no that's i don't know i think it's a little young i don't think so.
00:26I think throughout history kids saw a whole lot of stuff and i think seeing some special effects on a movie is not that serious i i felt uncomfortable okay i just wanted to mention that sixteen in like eight days nine days sweet sixteen such tenderness.
00:43No it's just it's a it's a reflex it's a we're watching a movie a little while back.
00:50Reached out for your hand i did i did now okay so the way i feel about gore is the way you feel about any kisses stuff yeah it's like would you rather see beheading or kissing there we go that's excellent.
01:05It's a that's entirely slow buddy but had to like each saw how about glances how about glances of affection of full body explosions.
01:13Dismemberment limbo oh my gosh yeah that that was i thought it was i mean i knew it was going to be a little gory but that was that was something else alright so.
01:26Overall thoughts because we saw the first and sort of compared to the first what be a thought i really like the first the only thing i didn't personally this is like a personal preference not the movie it's bad the only thing i didn't like was.
01:39It seemed like there wasn't quite enough humor in the first one.
01:43Obviously i know that's not the kind of movie you're going for but when it's that like depressing the entire time it feels like it's just like a wall instead of like up and down but that is not like a bad thing about the movie that's my own personal preference i know some people really like it because it's not super humoring.
01:57The way a real situation like that would be i think was the only joke when they made the baboon noises right.
02:03I'm talking about the first of the first one yeah i don't think there was any humor in the first one that i can recall.
02:08That's the only thing i want to change about the first one but i thought the first was really good second one.
02:13The first i watched it with my mom and then a few days later i watched it with you but the first time i watched it it seemed really disjointed.
02:21Like the mean because people's joints were getting dislocated all it's that what you sorry something else something else okay got something more abstract philosophical it hurts i kidding.
02:31But it felt really like.
02:34Like you didn't have a good sequencing so it would just kind of jump from this to that to this to that like obviously spoilers but at the end when.
02:43I remember priscilla her something the moms name when she dies it just kind of happened like obviously it was foreshadowed for a chunk of the movie i realize that more on the second one.
02:54But on the first one but on the on the second watch through but on the first watch through it just seemed like it just like popped up well did you see the massive deep symbolism of his wife.
03:03And his mother dying exactly the same way arrow through the heart.
03:09It's like cupids arrow but it's like cupids arrow you know through the heart but but with more of a force and more of going through the entire body.
03:20Right there also yeah okay and you were saying to so in the in the first movie the wife was established a little bit more.
03:29Oh yeah this is one that didn't make sense in the second why was the wife even out there fighting she was the only woman on the entire battlefield.
03:37Like i watched it twice and maybe i missed it both times but i just wanted to stand i think that the criticism that there see a lot of art these days is not about truth it's about avoiding.
03:49Lunatics like avoiding criticisms from mental illness they're gonna go watch gladiator.
03:56Well feminists who wanna pick apart toxic masculinity i guess yeah so so they had to say oh she's empowered and blah blah blah right.
04:05And so they decided to have a go fight as opposed to the in the first movie she was just helpless all that kind of stuff right so.
04:12She like yeah in some aspects it seems like it's a bit too much copy paste first i felt a real day javu and maybe it is because we saw the first couple of days before the second but it was like.
04:23Guy loses wife in terrible battle becomes a slave fights his way up attacks emperor and it's just like we just.
04:31I mean i get that you wanna repeat a formula for success but not copy paste.
04:35Yeah i like when when movies that make sequels when it's something like this and not one with like a major plot because movies with like major plots the care of the main character can't die in the first movie so.
04:48Why say movies like that are kinda gonna have a sequel like this like as an example with the hunger games it had a sequel like the first yeah and then it went places where should not in my opinion but.
04:59With this one i think doing a similar like your gladiator fighting for your freedom would definitely work because that is the premise of the whole movie that's why people watch it like there's so many movies about rome.
05:11Right people like this one because of the story type but i would have had some of the major aspects be different.
05:18Maybe some stuff to do with the emperors i personally think the politics in this second the sequel was lacking like crazy.
05:24There were like such little lead up to it there was there was so little political drama and a big thing about the first of the political drama so i think that's something that really.
05:33Miss with this well i wonder you know it's like thirty years or twenty five years since the first one and people just a less smart.
05:40And so maybe they just well it's too complicated and so on right and so they had to come and dumb it down a little.
05:47A lot a lot a lot so let's talk denzel.
05:52Oh my god so you are not a massive fan of his.
05:58Rolls acting being there go on he had this yet this this pimp walk you know like he's got a slow rolling into the scene like he's about to drop some time bags on people's laps and ask for money or threaten someone with curbing see i can see that a little bit.
06:13But you also have to develop the character like that for the rest of his family to be like a gangster.
06:19Rather than his happy comes emperor yeah anyway like.
06:23He's like i genuinely think that was the worst acting i've ever seen that wasn't like a side character with one line right right right.
06:31What is being hugely praise i was read some reviews p i just didn't think he was i was right for it could not watch that.
06:38Anytime you want screen i was genuinely like cringing at it because look i'm not a great actor but i can act better than that.
06:47And for someone with like no training who's never been in a movie before can tell me the things that bothered you the most about understand when his sentence finished so it would be like what was that one at the end what he was telling them to kill the queen.
07:01Are the princess i don't even know but he was like that scene where he goes politics yeah yeah i thought that was funny but make that a character trade that missing any over emphasizes things in it yeah yeah you don't just throw that in once the entire movie right like make that a character.
07:16But he was saying something about the politics and then he goes and that is politics my brother something like that and that my brother is politics but he didn't finish his sentence beforehand so as an example i'm gonna be talking about the weather.
07:30I'll be like it's a mighty fine weather today hot that's politics right like that's an example just let into each other just blended it's like there is a period there there is punctuation when you read your lines you supposed to follow that at least a little bit.
07:45So obviously i'm not just hating on him because of one line i think it was at least eighty to ninety percent of everything he said and did it was like what are you doing.
07:55Well and so there's an acting choice or an art choice that people make it's just like the blend of opposites so when i can i tell you the guys with thin hair are always what.
08:06Weak week you know foolish far fish and it's like that's not a thing you know it's a thick hair.
08:13Often i mean i talked enough guys to enough guys who are like man boys into their fifties and it's cuz they got thick hair so they don't really grow up as much they don't mature as much.
08:24And so but yeah it's like the moment you see a character with thin hair you know he's gonna have.
08:30You know man boobs and and character flaws of weakness and i didn't know it's just that that did this kind of bothered me is a bald guy but anyway i accept all guys can be tough so.
08:41When he's when the denzel washington character is taking the home off the senator because he won all of these bets and he's like taking his home but kissing him.
08:52Repeatedly on the cheeks yeah it's like oh that's so deep man like he's taking his home and being affectionate that's really complex and it's like that just seems kind of contradictory it just like you didn't do that with anyone else and so.
09:04The idea that he shows a lot of affection when he's taking a guy's house it just seemed like a really random nonsensical directing choice.
09:13Action argue with you about one i think it was good because i think they were trying to show that he's the kind of character who manipulates a lot.
09:21And i think they could have shown that in more ways than just that scene because his manipulation.
09:26Only really showed up at the very end what he was telling the gates when to kill the tall twin emperor so i think.
09:35I think that actually works with the character being super sweet and kind and then being like.
09:40Pack which you could have saw you could have said that so he's going to tell us a guy time to pack now what was the pack now where he's like pack quickly it's like why are you saying it like that.
09:52So i'll tell you i disagree with you and i would say i agree with that so you want someone to be manipulative but when people have already won they don't manipulate anymore.
10:02I think because he wanted more information out of him because he says nothing goes through road without going through your ear so he still wants to know when the house but he needs to know more so he's going to stay in good terms.
10:15You make a good point so i'll have to that's because it's a very feminine standpoint.
10:20Interesting even if you don't like someone keep doing good terms for a gossip and information and both of those guys seemed extremely feminine which is why i think i got it that way.
10:31Yeah i think that's right and so.
10:34I thought i was not not a big fan i see i've seen denzel washington who i normally quite like he's in a bunch of movies and he just i don't like these actors who have these.
10:45Verbal text like the sudden barking laugh and the cold stare and the sort of.
10:51I don't know pimpy way of walking it's like change it for your character if you're really an actor you shouldn't be playing yourself at every single will you get well especially when it's thousands of years ago in another continent you know then you can't bring your text is an actor to that.
11:05Yeah yeah that that bothered me and i found it kind of distracting that i was just out of place that one scene he had what he was walking around with ice day i swear to god her name's priscilla.
11:16What's the woman we are calling the mother the mom yet when he was walking around with the mom at her house that was genuinely i think the one that made me like what are you like why are you here right right it was really really bad and i'm usually not want to hugely criticize actors cuz i'm like look everyone's got a style and obviously i blame the director for a lot of stuff that happens not in this this was not the director this was a crappy actor.
11:39What the director might have been yelling at him to please stop being like a guy in nineteen seventies new york and be a guy in rome yeah i highly highly doubt the director was supporting this and i honestly my biggest problem is with the casting right.
11:54Why why would you pick him well and i think you and i also had some different opinions on the main guy yeah he was a little bit he was a bit flat for me a bit dead eyed.
12:05And no one's gonna be that first guy though.
12:09Yeah russell crowe was right the best like he was fantastic and he also he is like a really he's got a wide range to an actor.
12:17So that i didn't like about the guy he had the sort of spaced out dreamy eyes and.
12:24He did not seem overly full of rage but he kept being described as a guy as full of volcanic like rage is reading off you like like sunlight.
12:34At the beginning i thought that was gonna be one of his defining character traits is as denzel washington said badly i pick my gladiators for gladiators for for rage and yeah so rage is so rage is something you can't control.
12:49Like the barbarian rage in dnd so you can't control it and this guy was supremely self controlled.
12:57He's like well we're gonna wait until they're close enough to fight them and everybody hold together and here's our strategy i think it would have been really interesting if the retired gladiator the doctor had to give him strategies.
13:07To overcome his right now i thought i give it the beginning maybe he almost got killed in the first couple fights but he killed other people like crazy so mad but that feels like i want to say lost a lot of health because we're using dnd terms but not like he took.
13:21He got injured a lot right but after i think that would have been interesting to develop the doctor a bit more he was a great side character i thought i was great but i want to develop him more because i think that's one of the most memorable characters i would have had to be like.
13:34When he was saying oh yeah i could even be you now right in the in the arena.
13:39He's and maybe the main guy could be like why do you say that.
13:43Maybe taking a little too personally the doctor would be like cuz you're so angry and everything you have no impulse control like you don't know when to stop fighting or when to strategize yeah so i think that would have been great if you helped him it also didn't make sense that this guy who don't we been in the army and not like some.
13:58Big high general unless i completely miss saw that had all of these amazing strategies frankly a lot of people that just go into the army to fight do not come out with great strategies because they're just told to survive.
14:10So can i thought it would have been a great arc if for instance the guy who was described as full of rage was full of rage and was gonna get killed because of that.
14:19And then the doctor put him on opiates to control his rage and then he had to quit opiates in order to actually win at the end something like this i'm some some sort of character act that would make sense with this super rage guy right.
14:31Also the other thing to i was looking at the doctor i was thinking like there's no way on god's green earth that absolutely everyone in rome is that greasy didn't you get the sense that everybody was sprayed with a fine vegetable oil anyone in any medieval city in any movie ever is gonna be oiled up i mean you can't because they got fire everywhere everybody would flambé.
14:52Like like back ribs you know it's just like do they go through you know those mistress they have an amusement parks in florida yeah decontamination except it's a fine vegetable it's cooking oil like people cannot possibly be that greasy and be around fire it's like a really hot climate so i got scarce oh my gosh that's what they said they said rome's at the beginning when i came in these all i didn't know the smell be that bad.
15:17Yeah rome is diseased he says and it was not the most subtle of analogies that they say you know rome is a disease and everybody is diseased along the way on the long the road to rome i'm like if we get it's a great great analogy.
15:30And also i suppose that's just part of the whole gig that you have to have the giant army at his beck and call and so on so he must have been some kind of general if he had that kind of loyalty from the army.
15:39Like maximus in the first one by the way was it maximus yeah that is a great day for a hero.
15:45Not you wouldn't want to be in the hero minimus it's like maximus anytime i hear maximus cuz the first time i counted it was fallout yeah.
15:53So i can't yeah i was like now you have a t-60 power over sorry and i remember from the very first time i saw it.
16:00Russell crowe as maximus like i'm just a slave what possible difference can i make you get that sense of despair and helplessness this new guy was just like one note.
16:08You know blank faced heroic and occasional screaming but that's the same thing that comes out of the dune actor.
16:14Timothy chalamet i think is this is like modern style of acting that you don't move your face like you've been face planted with a zempig and.
16:23What's the one where they put the needles in botox yeah you've been botox in the facial immobility but then but then what happens is you just scream once in a while and then you just go back to memory.
16:35So that was an ass so i think he did not have the charisma to me it's the same the first guy to have that loyalty so good when i was auditioning for the play that i'm in right now i was it was like an online audition because for a number of reasons and.
16:50I was realized the first time i felt myself like actually acting i looked at a white why is my face not moving.
16:58I have the voice because i've done voice acting before so the vocals came off fine but when i looked at my face is just blank right like i was doing a monologue from glass of nursery.
17:08And i was like screaming about like what was it oh it's when he says here's all the crazy things i'm gonna do when i go out at night.
17:16No it was it was right before that that was when i was thinking of doing but i couldn't quite get it and i thought i'd look for doing an audition needs to be the best it was the one where he says he's ranting about how he's gonna spend the rest of his life working in the shoes oh yes that's right that's right.
17:30I mean like fifty five i think i'm like thrilled to go to the shoe factory every day and he's like screaming about that my face is like blank like i'm ordering a coffee right.
17:39Right so that's i've really really worked on getting facial expressions and that's something that i also get in movies like why did i work to do this if this is not the style like that people want i remember when i first started acting.
17:52I was never so aware of my hands like what do you do with your hands so you don't want to do too much i've been told i have chicken wings do not sort the hands yeah like you're beheading birds flying past.
18:04So so i thought it was interesting there's two other things i'm not sure you have your own thoughts but the first was.
18:10I thought it was interesting that the son of maximus grew up in a completely different environment in a completely different area and a completely different culture and he's exactly the same heroes where is the guys who grew up in rome.
18:25Are you know terrible but the guy who grows up with his he was in africa right yeah he was in africa speaking a different language i think in a different culture and and but he's still maximus and so they were basically making the argument for genetic determinism.
18:40For personality and character.
18:42Yeah and you know the guys who are the offspring i don't think they were a direct lineage or whatever it is but the guys who are the emperors are always the same.
18:50And the guys who are the son of the heroes.
18:53Are just the exact same as the heroes no matter the fact that you raise them in a completely different culture and language and continent and and the climate and everything and no exposure to rome but he was perfect roman i just thought that was like okay that's quite the argument that.
19:07Well you know the best way to be a hero is to just have a hero as a father otherwise you're doomed.
19:13Yeah i just thought that was like not the most inspiring journey in the world he's just born that way it's just born that way like the avengers movies was like yeah well the only way you're gonna ever do anything good in the world is if you get bitten by a radioactive spider.
19:25Other than that okay you have mixed all the genres up like i can't even believe radioactive spider is peter parker from spider man.
19:33That's not avengers yeah yeah okay okay but what you mean like superhero superhero yeah they're all the same thing there's gonna be some multiverse when they interact you know there's like thirty movies at this point you don't even know.
19:44And i think yeah so the idea that that you have to x-men you have to have these crazy powers in order to be a hero it's just a way of saying you can't be a hero where is moral heroism is available to everyone big speech insert big speech here alright.
19:57So that move your face so that was the first one the second thing that i was thinking about was.
20:05There's always this fantasy and this is same thing with lord of the rings which is you know there's a lot of power the emperors have a lot of power the senators have a lot of power and power has corrupted them but don't worry man.
20:17The new guy is not gonna get corrupted he's gonna be totally great i mean the thing with with talking.
20:23Was that talking was actually he wrote a letter one saying you know i'm technically an anarchist but not of the bomb throwing kind he doesn't believe the political power serves anyone.
20:32I wonder if he could have got the book even published and also in the shire which is his paradise there's no political power.
20:39Oh yeah and i think the mayor is mentioned once in passing but they never do anything so there's no political power in the shire and everyone's happy i wonder if he could have got his books published if aragon had said no there should be no there should be no government.
20:52And that way people can work things out for themselves but he's got like the return of the king well see we've had some really really bad guys in power but don't worry this guy totally got it this guy can totally handle power and how do we know.
21:07Because he's butchered like two hundred people over the last couple of years to get power because well to survive you could say right.
21:15Yeah so i of course i'd like to see a third one where this guy lucius is now the bad guy.
21:22Well that's generally what i like to see that that's generally what i maybe like.
21:27Screwed up a lot of stuff the dream of rome he misunderstood turn to communism like i don't know something like that i was pretty communist anyway so i or or.
21:37To me it would be interesting because you've got the lineage thing going right and so.
21:44If maximus had been the emperor and son of maximus maxi mini mini max is maxi spawn.
21:54You can stop it so if he had been raised with all of the privileges of power cuz his father was an emperor would he have turned into a terrible guy.
22:06Like the twins are they brothers so because what's this guy only heroic because he was not raised with any sort of money and power this is the thing that rich people have a big problem with which is that they often become rich.
22:20Because they are poor they know the value of a dollar they become crazy hard workers and then their kids are like i got instagram likes for going to dubai and how do you teach kids the value of money and hard work when they really don't have to.
22:36You know i mean that that's a big problem for lunch so how do you teach kids to be noble and heroic and hard working when they grow up in rome as the son of the emperor so.
22:45So it would be interesting to me it would be interesting to see how even if power doesn't corrupt this guy and it seems likely that it would but the power would corrupt his kids.
22:56Yeah that would be interesting yeah i was i was happy to see the bomb already did that with marcus aurelius and comatose.
23:03Marcus was a fine ruler but comatose was completely insane oh that's right that's right the first the first one yeah yeah yeah.
23:11Why is it that evil is vaguely gay with eyeshadow.
23:15Cause gay is vaguely gay with eyeshadow i don't know like that that seems like everyone who was manly was super manly and everyone who was a feminine was like maximum betrayer.
23:26And i don't know that seemed a bit a bit biased i gotta say the tall i thought the tall emperor was a good actor he really man talk about throwing yourself into the role of holding nothing back.
23:36He was like ed sheeran if ed sheeran didn't look like a potato.
23:41In a nice way right right now he i really admire that you know when people have crazy scenes and they're like they just completely go into it and like they hold nothing i was in a play like that once with an actress.
23:53Who had to play a crazy scene and i was legit terrified of her oh really yeah like i was like i had to wear diapers that's funny she and i was like.
24:01She had a job as a psychic on a hotline so people would call her up and she's like yeah i don't know anything about anything i just tell them stuff that i thought they wanted to hear.
24:12Yeah but yeah she was like i mean she just committed man and i i i feel a little bit self-conscious about that kind of i was once a friend of mine was in a band.
24:23And they were playing a pretty actually at the alma combo which is like a pretty good venue and they did a song called fairies in boots and they had me come out in boots and dance and jump around the stage and attempt to.
24:33I chew on the neck of the guitarist and so i'm not just have this goofy stuff.
24:38And that was that was a lot of fun but i still i still have to throw yourself into being that vile i mean i thought the first guy did it as well.
24:47It's a comedy there's no way that i was acting yeah he said well his his brother i think was died in a drug overdose outside of a nightclub called the viper roman he has it a pretty rough life.
24:57Yeah there's no way that first actor was acting like there gets to a point where it's like it's the same guy play joker which was also another vile role he also played napoleon but he said to the director with napoleon which was not a very good movie he said to the director i have no idea what's going on with this character.
25:11The director says yeah you're fine that's how i feel you're doing fine but what with the dodo bird yes oh yeah well that's not supposed to be a coherent character.
25:20So i thought yeah i thought he was good and i thought the mom was very good she played that that sort of nobility.
25:28Quite well and i liked how she said you know basically since maximus has been a guy with a sword to my throat and.
25:35And the sort of love of death stuff that's quite common there's there's a big clash between cultures that want to live and cultures that are happy to die.
25:43Because the cultures that are happy to die tend to win in battle yeah i tend to not die right so like the vikings one of the things that was so terrifying about the vikings which we know of course from the war yeah from there from there yeah and we know this of course from the historical documentary about toothless.
26:00And okay just just give me give me one line okay you ready you ready yeah i regret nothing i regret everything beautiful i love that contradiction between those rough and tough or whatever they were yeah those two actors were fantastic in that show characters were amazing because we are and i thought they give the same they give the same they give the same commitment even to the tv show or whatever it was i'm not the series yeah.
26:25Or the dad who's like falling from the heavens and still fighting with whoever he's with so this this love of death.
26:32Is is a real challenge because the people who love life tend to be cautious and the people who were like i can't wait to die to join my ancestors in eternal battle and and beer drinking.
26:46I'm happy to die in battle what you know what that's gonna get you some tips next it's also gonna get the police the police are gonna get some tips as well.
26:56I think every society would be improved for that mindset i have doubts but okay i think you savoring life right right.
27:04Yes so so and of course them the wealthier society gets this is one of the theories that this is sort of the theory of rome right the wealthier that a society gets.
27:13The more fearful and neurotic and safety obsessed stop having real problems yes and also it gets more feminine do this or i need to go work out more it's like do you think people cared about that when they were like.
27:28Starving farmers under communism like people just don't have real problems anymore that's why medieval times i think looks so appealing to so many people is because it's back when you actually just had straight like hardy like.
27:39Are we gonna have enough food for the end of the month right or are we gonna get invaded by x right 19 of my direct relatives have dropped dead from the plague i'm gonna cross my fingers and go to church.
27:49Yes so there's a lot of things like that i don't think i think nowadays the reason why people are so neurotic and depressed is genuinely just cuz they don't have real problems.
27:57Well and also masculine influence has significantly diminished with regards to child raising and so you know this is the bubble wraps children like the moms who just can't.
28:09Can't handle that children getting like falling and getting hurt and it's.
28:13They always have the worst case moms always have the worst case scenario going on and that's great when babies and toddlers are death magnets you know they want to fall down eat everything and and you know their stairs and and pots of boiling water.
28:28Well i guess i guess i know you're kidding but you know i mean nature took care of half of babies by the age of five anyway so they do have the worst case scenario and that's really good.
28:39For when there's babies and toddlers but when kids especially boys if you restrain them from exploring and and acting out then the boys end up.
28:48Kinda high strung kinda neurotic and kind of anxious.
28:52You know boys need to test the limits as do girls right like i was saying this on the show the other day about how.
28:58Like boys love to and we used to do this to play fight right yeah and play fighting is really good cuz you're super aggressive and having fun with it but every now and then someone's gonna get an elbow in the eyeball and then there's like i went too far so you learn how to be aggressive.
29:12But also manager aggression and so people killed and stuff yeah i mean you've noticed this a tiny bit among some of the teenage boys that they seem to be a little.
29:21No i would a little a little high strung a little no feminine feminine yeah but big big and for me feminine like i grew up with my my mom was a bit that was very much neurotic that way but my answer very sort of tough and very sort of you know if he falls he'll just get back up again yeah i know what i mean when i see that yeah yeah yeah like the sort of the modern neurotic stuff so.
29:45Yeah so i think that's the idea that you get as political power grows you don't get as many tough guys in power and when you don't get the tough guys in power.
29:56You end up with these you know this is sort of the justin trudeau thing versus say donald trump right and you don't end up with the tough guys in power and so what happens is.
30:06You have this model of power equaling not sort of marshal strength and moral courage that way but just a sort of petty manipulation and language based stuff.
30:16Take a short break here will fix it up finish up on the way back alright so here we are in our final bit.
30:23Of the movie i must say i know that the cgi and all of that is great.
30:30It is really amazing to me that they can just recreate rome in that way cuz i used to do this in old movies just like that have one room in rome you know yeah and a painted backdrop.
30:39But they really just you know they have birds flying over the whole coliseum like it's pretty wild.
30:44That final scene where he was walking to the coliseum at night it did look like a miniature.
30:49Yes very clearly like when i saw it it wasn't like i had to think about it it was the first input that my brain gave me was this is many.
30:58Right right but other than that it was really good and even then that might have just been my brain at night but it's something just looked off about the scale.
31:05Yeah yeah yeah it is and i but i wouldn't say that the first one oh my gosh that was so primitive and so on and this one was just so much no i look pretty much the same like i didn't realize the cgi in the first one much.
31:17Yeah i don't like to think about how it's made right now i guess i like i like to think about how would i do it if i was making it but i hate thinking about it cuz it just kills the movie for me thinking all that so much money how did they get.
31:28How did they do that i'm just like nope it's filmed in rome.
31:31Yep this is rome this is how it is rome they went to rome and filmed it that's what i think now what about.
31:39Your thoughts on the unusual nature of the lack of love interest.
31:44Usually i like that in movies this one i felt it would have been an improvement if it actually did have a love interest cuz usually i'm a fan if movies don't have a love interest it's like that's kind of nice.
31:54Refreshing change right this one that's it that's honestly the main thing i think that was lacking.
32:00It just seemed like it would have added a bit more complexity and it would have made me root for the main guy a little more cuz like right now if he dies the only thing that ends is like his bloodline which is like sad but more in an abstract way and not a oh if he dies now there's like.
32:15The wife or the full of sorrow and right right yeah so i didn't feel like he had much to lose.
32:21Yeah we also don't know exactly where he got this dream of rome thing from his mother taught it to him when he was younger okay got it got it.
32:31I mean that's a lot to retain from being five and ten twelve twelve well yeah i guess now yeah yeah i mean four years ago for me i know i'm a lot from when i was twelve and under.
32:40Yeah that's it that's it so yeah okay i think the one instruction his mom gave him was don't forget right right right.
32:48Okay that's that's totally fair what is there anything else that you would have changed about the movie do you think make some more humor maybe a love interest a lot more political plot not more political plot no humorous for the first movie.
33:01I'm sorry but there really only was only the one baboon joke at this one right yeah although there is some funny lines with the doctor and stuff yeah that's true he really well acted and he had some real character to him.
33:12I you know the problem i also have is with the gladiator and it's a big problem that you have i mentioned this when we were first talking about the movie that this is famous.
33:22After marlon brando who is directing a scene with a bunch of people lining up a street and he went up and down for hours telling everybody on the street what their backstory was yeah like the extras.
33:32No i think that matters genuinely i think that matters.
33:35So i think the challenge is when you have so how many would you guess there were.
33:42Of his fellow gladiators that showed up regularly twelve ten ten maybe ten right so it's so the big challenge you have is.
33:53Why do you care about the gladiators well you have to give them generally positive characteristics like the heroic and brave and frightened and you know things that you can admire and empathize with and so on.
34:03But you didn't see it didn't seem to me that they put any work at all into differentiating.
34:10The blob of abs known as the gladiators and i think that was a shame because i think it doesn't actually take that much.
34:18So if i were the director i would say to the actor you know think of the most unusual person you've ever met and act that.
34:28Right yeah to really give a character really give it some sort of differentiator some sort of character as opposed to be grim faced have abs and and leather.
34:37Yeah and and so on like the only thing that really differentiated them was like hair length.
34:41Yeah literally and they're all the same high all the same body type and like and they were all oily if you remember.
34:47Is how it is you don't understand you're not man enough i assume i assume that in rome.
34:53Because you know most of italian cuisine is based on olive oil i assume they just spray it in the air so that you can see me when it's just p. diddy.
35:02Okay i'm beyond horrified it's a whole different kind of movie although i bet you that stuff happened in the roman empire to honestly.
35:14So yeah they just have this fine miss so you never without your olive oil you just have to.
35:19Inhale it yeah i thought it was good the cynicism that the rulers had to the rules you know just let bread and circuses right just just give them.
35:27Some entertainment and you give them some free food and they're they're happy that's very true they're happy as pigs in mud.
35:35Yeah yes i thought i thought that was good yeah i would i would have differentiated it doesn't it's not harmful or difficult.
35:44And it doesn't take much extra people think that the character needs to be in dialogue character needs to be reviewed because a lot of the gladiators i mean they had screams but they had no real.
35:54Dialogue yeah other than maybe a word or two but you can.
36:00You can do so much with facial expressions and body language and body language and facial expressions i think it would have been really good no i mean that's sort of an interesting question to me is how many people that you meet would you say.
36:13Have i never been when i say strong characters i don't mean that they're tough or anything like that you need character like will you be memorable right i think i think if your friends and we won't get into names and all of that but i think if your friends and i do think about.
36:25A lot of them have some strongly differentiated characteristics there's like a few character traits but they all have the same sense of humor they'll talk the same way they'll watch the same shows and they'll play the same games.
36:37Are you talking about the males yeah right oh the women they're all copy paste but i can think of a few i can think of a few extra worse but i can the rest of them are very similar from what i've seen have we recently done the rant on the music the boys rented.
36:54I don't think there's much of a rant so give me the top three bands of styles that the every single boy is into rock well it depends if you're like more alternative that it's.
37:06Eminem or rock yeah and that's just a genre at this point but if you're more like if you're one of those popular tick tock boys with the broccoli hair then it's twenty one pilots and jvk.
37:19Or whatever his whatever the letters are the guy who does golden hour.
37:24Sorry is that is that supposed to enlighten me in some manner yes you've heard golden hour is it a different version of a live queen song that i like no okay then i'm not really sure i'm not really sure that it wasn't done a live he doesn't know it it's true.
37:39So i'm thinking of some of the friends that you had when you were younger some of the slightly volatile people we had around through through accident i can think it's all the same.
37:49Go on volatile.
37:50I don't think they have a child in the same place with either volatile or it's like girly.
37:55I'm like there's no there's not like a big differentiating character from what i see now when it comes to guys i think.
38:01A little more but still there a lot of them can be kind of similar i think it's usually differentiated by friend groups you'll get a friend group of the same personality archetype it's like a sorting mechanism yeah i kind of is and i don't i'm not trying to criticize i think i mean that's just how it is i mean.
38:14I'm sure i'm gonna be a bunch of women who are like me when i meet more women who are at work but not gonna happen i don't know i think there's gonna be.
38:22I think i'll find people like me like i don't mean i don't really like oh i'm so different unique i just haven't exactly found.
38:28The female friend group that has my beliefs yet but i think i will because i want to the first peaceful parented kids raised with a father who's on the present and i found a male friend group that has my personality type.
38:41But i just haven't found a female friend group yet i know there are some because i've seen online a lot of like non or a lot of anti woke women i just have not met them yet in person so i would say.
38:52I mean i i get that the sense of humor with your male friend group is the same.
38:56Very similar beliefs are similar what i think though is little bit different is i think i'm more masculine than they are.
39:04Well but i don't want to think that but i think i think that you have to order one of them their food cuz they were shy to talk to the waitress.
39:16See but that's not that's just saying that's not masculine yeah am i wrong.
39:21I don't know now so i wouldn't want to think so you're very direct and i think you have a good amount a sensible amount of moral courage.
39:29And you do stand up for yourself you stand up for your friends if you think they've been wrong to me mentioned that before in working situations.
39:36So i view but i don't view directness and moral courage as a specifically male trade i think that's the straight and virtuous people cuz if we say well it's more male because women don't know your circle.
39:48Okay with the one except but you were just saying that i'm like this massive exception so.
39:53Stop using all of the tricks i taught you against me that's the same as patricide i don't think you taught me that right right no.
40:02So i mean the way that i view things like moral courage is sort of necessary to love and be loved.
40:07And so if we say that that women can do it as much and they'll do it in different circumstances so in general of a woman's moral courage will be standing up to.
40:17Authority rather than say you know running into a fight and rescuing the week a person or whatever right that might be more of a male thing but different.
40:26Aspects you know mom's mom's all the five foot one and change i view her as very morally courageous because she will sort of stand up for the right thing and.
40:35I'm sorry on a stool.
40:40I say this is my very proud two inches on you might you might get a little more i think i'm growing a tiny bit it's gonna eat some protein protein and you know reach for the ocean yeah.
40:53So i don't but so but mom is not that i mean she wouldn't be like oh there's a fight and i'm gonna go in right but but when it comes to so the other moral stuff that she she does so i think men and women will manifest their moral courage little differently but i think that's.
41:07Equal for both if that makes sense in terms of what what there is to admire how do we get here.
41:13So we were talking about you feeling more masculine and i think that you are you have a good now when i say you can have too much moral courage.
41:21Oh no character archetypes in the movie we were and so i yeah i would say that we were talking about differentiating the gladiators and i would say to the actress you know think of the most unusual person.
41:35That you've met and play that person now maybe that's not the right person or whatever but you know to me.
41:41The problem is to that there was just this blob of heroic courageous you know moral chat perfect gladiators and in every group.
41:51Especially groups that don't choose to be together right the gladiator like you are gonna have a sadist you are gonna have a psycho you are gonna have.
41:58Yeah i'm gonna be moral yeah but they're not all that i go to work at workplace of six people i have every single one right right so it to me it would be more interesting to not have.
42:09A a blob of the same guy in different forms like i would have made you feel more attached right and that they are more human some more interesting dynamics for the fight cuz like.
42:20For these fights like okay those are some really cool setups yeah i'm not gonna ask how you got sharks in there.
42:26But i was asking myself how we got shots and i'm not gonna ask that but i think another way to have a really interesting fight that dynamic would be to have different personality types fighting.
42:37Obviously all skilled but as you were saying like a sadist or a psychopath or something like that yes you can have a cool arena but i think it's the people that really make the fight come alive or can't we can't we have.
42:47I think this is out of the life of brian like can we have a guy who's kinda cowardly and just keeps withdrawing until the guy gets heatstroke.
42:55That would be funny like something like a reference to like a direct reference to monkey python yeah that'd be really funny.
43:01So something but you like so there's always the scene and there was the scene in this movie to the scene where.
43:07The hero is doing his for the for the dream of rome you know like i'm gonna i'm gonna we're gonna fight for the land and everyone's like who's with me and every single person is like yeah yeah it's like that's not how it is.
43:19I believe i'm gonna be yeah i mean now the other thing too is that people who are brave.
43:28I mean bravery is a complicated thing because some people who seem brave just kinda wanna die.
43:34Yeah seriously i'm not kidding about this like when you see some guy leading the charge against machine guns is like okay so this is a guy who's got a really bad conscience is in chronic pain wants to do one last good suicidal and just wants to go out and play.
43:49So in america or not the places they call it death by cop yeah and this is people they reach into their pocket.
43:56About like they're about to pull out a weapon the cops blow them away and it turns out there was nothing in their pocket and it's suicide by copper death by car so these are people.
44:05They are suicidally brave and part of it is because possibly i mean that they just wanna wanna die.
44:14And i've never felt that of course i don't really understand the mindset but i do get that there is that thing in life where people just wanna die.
44:23So you know could you not have like when he's saying you know it's always hold you know all the bellowing away old is like can you have some guy who just runs and like runs into a spear.
44:34Like he's just he's just tired of killing people and dying and he hates his life cuz you know the life of a gladiator would be pretty stressful a little stressful a little exhausting a little like what's the point.
44:45And but of course the argument would be that the only reason they became gladiators is cuz some guy bought them and therefore he's evaluated them as to their quality oh.
44:55Wait one other thing that was your wasn't no.
44:58Were you trying to inhale some olive oil yeah i've made that vivid for everyone else for me from the greets yes so okay okay.
45:07In the first fight with the guy who was bald who had the absolutely unnecessary death because he was actually kind of a nice guy and we knew that he was not a nice guy is a really great guy we knew that because he was bald yeah so that's the that's the character arc the character arc is the scalp arc.
45:24Except it just goes up and up.
45:25I mean let's go back down oh yeah okay sorry that that was not the greatest job barb except it's not a scalp it's a diagonal line going up.
45:36Cuz bald okay what should we pause on the joy of that analogy for a bit okay so in the very first fight he has with the ball guy.
45:44The ball guy has i mean they're like super not knuckle dusters of these things you put on your knuckle i'm not yawning i'm stretching my jaw.
45:53Okay i think i've seen this in a documentary right forty eight falls asleep so he's got the super metal knuckle dusters and he punches as an experienced fighter.
46:04With his full weight behind him yeah i got to be like two fifty of muscle yeah and you know that because he's okay so you two fifty i'm getting so.
46:17So he punches this guy full in the face with lots of muscle and experience and with these giant metal gloves on.
46:25Like holy crap i mean that would take out teeth but that would take out teeth that would shatter the the cheekbone and i would scored out like the amount of of damage that that would do and this is something that.
46:38Has bothered me for a long time and i know it's gotta be dramatic but you know it's like what happens when he gets a tiny cool cut.
46:45On his cheekbone he gets up he shakes his head he spits out a little bit of blood and he just goes back where's the bloody come from.
46:54Well don't ask right no cuz like if you didn't lose a tooth you didn't break anything you didn't bite your tongue so then like where the blood come from.
47:04I don't know don't don't unpack the biting tongue thing but i don't like you get punched and then like instead of.
47:11Clenching your jaw like a manly man you you bite your tongue because it gets in the way right okay so i would say.
47:19That the amount of damage and i'm fine with that to some degree like if the guys got bracers and somebody hits him on the sword.
47:27Like it's sort on the on the braces he's got some metal studs i get that's gonna be a pain that you feel later and so on but that was at least four or five giant smashes with huge metal gloves into his face and he's like.
47:40Shake it off man and he's just kind of fine there's no black eyes there's no you know people but we've seen videos where someone loses a tooth just by you know flipping off a skateboard.
47:54Yeah and so the amount of the amount of damage that people take in these movies is so it's it's it's to me it's so unrealistic like what i was younger.
48:07Remember i was like four or something and i accidentally bump my face into a scooter and lost my tooth and let me tell you that was not nearly as hard as punching out.
48:20Getting punched by a spiky metal thing in the jaw yes and also that was that was not like a wiggly tooth because i was like three i think it was three going on yeah it was like that was a baby tooth that was in there it was not ready to come out.
48:32Yeah and it came out with a light impact yeah well you ended up having to have a poll but it was like ninety percent out yeah yeah yeah i remember and.
48:41Let's not mention the other time i lightly fall onto the sidewalk and break my wrist like it was not an aggressive falling i was going like two miles an hour.
48:54And you brace yourself and you just happen it so so the amount of injury that people can receive like there was this guy he shot at least he's accused of shooting all these.
49:06Can you let's do a shot the ceo of a health insurance company in the states now this guy i know this gonna sound like a tangent but this guy.
49:16Was the chat like he had abs good looking guy as italian as enzo.
49:22That's a reference and he was like he went to a forty thousand dollar a year private high school and was valedictorian so he was like top he was like oh it's super chat and very athletic.
49:37And a very very great grand very handsome like just a super guy now what happened was that at least what seems to have happened was he was surfing in hawaii.
49:47And he had an injury i don't know what happened to other than he got injured while surfing injured while surfing is usually you get hit by a surfboard or you fall onto some rocks shark kills you.
49:58It was not that bad because he was still alive he's a chat right so he got a lower back injury.
50:07Now forty percent of men have back pain it's like a huge issue because of our backs are still evolving from when we were mostly on force yeah so.
50:15He had a back injury that absolutely destroyed his life.
50:19Because there's a whole subculture of people who like i got a back injury and and often you'll hear he had seven surgeries you know like they just keep opening up and trying to fix it and it doesn't quite take and then there's a long recovery.
50:32And sometimes the back stuff gets work because it was because you're recovering and it was just a whole.
50:36Mess i'm very thankful to never had back issues yeah part of that is cuz i exercise a lot but part of it's just good luck right.
50:43So this guy ended up on a lot of painkillers and then he decided to go alternative medicine so he went down to mexico on an ayahuasca journey i don't know if you know anything about that stuff but i don't recognize the term ayahuasca is this incredibly strong drug.
51:01That people say opens you up to six dimensional in can turbo demons that's pretty fun.
51:08So i have a new idea for a drink at the cafe ayahuasca chala masala so chala masala so he basically opened up his entire consciousness to some theoretical alternate dimension where giga chat boober demons rearrange your molecules.
51:25What did they fix his back no apparently not so and he just went further and further so i assume he'd been on pain meds for a long time he tried a lot of different drugs he tried this incredibly.
51:36Disastrous ayahuasca drug and anyway so he ended up going full mysticism and so my point is like so the guy felt badly on a surfboard and his entire life is destroyed but.
51:49You know uber chat glad you can take massive facial blows no brain injuries.
51:55No hydrocephaly no brain expansion no losing teeth no cheekbone chipping or or breaking no orbital socket catastrophes he's just like what do you do you stand up you shake your head slightly and you spit out a little thin thread of blood you get a cool scar.
52:11Response in your mouth for manliness response in your mouth yeah that's right so the amount of punishment i'm fine with sword fights because sword fights you block it or you don't right.
52:21But the amount of physical bludgeoning that people think you're just not man enough to get it i just you know i don't need a squeal but i was just like no way.
52:32No way i'm not too bad with pain tolerance but that's just i mean you wouldn't be able to get back up.
52:38Yeah and it gives people a very unrealistic sense of being in physical fights yeah and you know like i remember marlon brando that the actor we were talking about for.
52:48He wants go so angry at being constantly photograph by the paparazzi that he punched a photographer in the mouth now i'm on brando had trained to be a boxer because he has a very famous role as a boxer.
53:01So i mean the guy knew what he was doing but this is when he was kind of older it was like fifteen years after he finished the boxing movie so it wasn't like he was in some big.
53:09Uber shape and so that i remember reading that the boxer sorry that the photographer.
53:17He lost some teeth with the punch and he said i remember this really vividly he said i had to keep going back to the dentist because i was in chronic pain and we never got it fixed.
53:27One one punch now again this could be bad luck or whatever it is but you know and that was just a regular hand punch that was it.
53:36So just the idea that you can get blushing to this degree and and just you know keep going and have no issues i just find.
53:45Mental and i think it's really unfortunate because i think people get an unrealistic sense of the amount of damage the punch can do.
53:53Yeah true so and especially a punch with that you know this of fury stuff the mail the chain mail i could see it if it was just a fist but come on like.
54:03The metal spikes like art guards it's like okay so i'm you know and bruce willis used to do this he was the best beating up beat being beaten up guy.
54:12In cinema history the way he was the guy in die hard yeah and yeah he gives the best slow decay of human.
54:20Pudge pummeling that but it's still you know you stagger and there's always a scene where somebody gets you know they get shot in the leg and they stagger for like three scenes and then they're fine and it's like you know it gets worse it gets worse.
54:32You might have a bit of adrenaline when you first get shot from what i've heard and like red and stuff it's like.
54:39There's gonna be pain but it's your shocked because your body is like what is going on well your body is like we've got to get away and so you'll you'll run i mean i'm cracking my forum and didn't feel the pain till an hour to later so i got like i like.
54:53Yo what i try to say you get shot and your body doesn't react to it right away obviously you're shocked you feel some pain cuz it's not gonna just give you no pain you have to know it's there but.
55:04Assuming it's not like in your neck or something where you're about to die then you'll just be able to keep going for a while but after it's when it starts really hurting but when it hurts the worst is when it gets taken out of the wound obviously this is depending on when and how it's done but in a lot of movies it's just like someone grab some tweezers opens it up.
55:21That's usually how it is movies that would probably right after that would hurt the worst because your body is now realizing okay well we're clearly out of enough danger that we can take out punish you for whatever you did to get me injured pretty much yeah so cuz you're in enough danger now that i can.
55:36The wound can be like this thing in the wound they probably think it's like some thorn or something i don't know right can be taken out so we're safe now so i can make it hurt.
55:45Yes you don't walk on it that's when it hurts but in movies that's when it gets better.
55:50Yes and that's gonna happen i remember there's a very famous physicist named richard feynman i read his.
55:56Autobiography send he lost his wife to some terrible disease that took forever and he didn't really feel sad until two years later he's walking down the street and he looks at a.
56:04Store dc's address is my wife would really like that dress and the guy burst into tears and falls to the ground i can even happen that way sometimes emotionally.
56:12But yeah so i do not damage i just think it's a quite unrealistic because the other thing too is that when someone get injured if you watch enough of these movies and someone gets injured and they're like hobbling around and you're like oh they must be faking it because i've seen so many guys get up and walk away from this stuff and.
56:27I don't know if it's just really yeah it's really sad it's really sad and of course we've all seen these movies where male physical pain is nothing but female emotional pain goes on and on forever and ever amen and that seems a bit.
56:40A bit unfair no literally like the sky like even in this movie this woman like gave up her son like what sixteen years ago sixteen oh yeah sorry sorry yeah yeah right sixteen years prior.
56:51And she still like depressed twenty four seven this guy shakes off massive who've had to the to the to the face repeatedly and has no path no after you lost his wife i don't think he cried except for like the very beginning and that's it.
57:05No but you see if you're a hero you don't cry you manly screaming in agony you're learning oh wait all you drool.
57:13What do you remember that from the first one that's not that's not that guy is a phenomenal actor okay.
57:19Yes i got that was mostly a there should be an oscar award and a mucus award and i get his own like i can't believe that was the take two if you get a bubble at least three feet in diameter you just win that award the bubble of manly sorrow.
57:35People trying giant pumpkins this guy competes with the self every year to get the manliest not bubble of sorrow oh yeah.
57:45Wait you were imitating my love for a manly sorrow your okay that's it alright well thanks everyone free to me not come Saturday it's worth watching the movie just don't bring your tent to children to do it to guys it's literally not that bad the worst is some guy gets beheaded but he's dead instantly it's really not that serious.
58:02Right although i'm sure in the next scene is heads back i know it's heads on it on the chair okay right alright thanks everyone free to make a conversation i appreciate your time today.