👉 Wanda Nara, acompañada por su abogada Ana Rosenfeld, asiste a una audiencia judicial en el marco de su divorcio con el futbolista Mauro Icardi. La disputa no es económica, sino que se centra en la tenencia de los hijos y la división equitativa de bienes. Se espera que Icardi se presente el día 17 para continuar con las negociaciones.
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00:00There's Wanda, eh?
00:04We're going to the audience we have next door.
00:07Yes, yes.
00:08No, but we came to do a...
00:09What are your expectations?
00:10Nothing, nothing in particular.
00:12Now we're going to hear what Mauro said last week.
00:15Now we're going to find out.
00:17Wanda, how are you?
00:18How are you, Wanda? How are you?
00:21Please, can you step back?
00:26Wanda, is the divorce due in March in Italy?
00:31Yes, it's due in March.
00:34Wanda...
00:37Wanda, did you make a mistake?
00:39Good idea, Wanda.
00:41No, no, thank you.
00:47On the other side is...
00:49Wanda.
00:52Wanda, how are you?
00:55The police...
00:56Wanda, how are you?
00:57Wanda, how are you?
00:59Well, don't hit me, don't hit me.
01:02Don't push me, man.
01:09Wanda, Wanda.
01:12But don't hit me, man.
01:17Two minutes have passed since 12 noon.
01:21That's how Wanda Nara arrived and that's how she spoke.
01:24Your lawyer, listen to her.
01:25Because the intention was that the judge would probably receive Wanda
01:29so that Wanda could raise her problem a little.
01:32More than anything, the hearing here,
01:34the report that they are going to submit to Wanda now,
01:37has to do with a family interaction,
01:40which is precisely what the court is asking for,
01:44the effects of seeing how this couple begins to work,
01:48especially in the function of the boys.
01:50So it's just this, yes?
01:53Is that really at stake, the custody of the girls?
01:56It's not the issue of custody, but how the family interaction is going to work.
02:00Another thing...
02:01Where will he and she live?
02:04In principle, she will live in Argentina,
02:07where he will live, we don't know yet,
02:10but I want to clarify many things that were said in all the media.
02:14First, I am Wanda's lawyer.
02:17I don't know who raised the doubt that there was another professional to replace me.
02:21There is a criminal lawyer.
02:23They are seducing her to change her lawyer.
02:25Well, I've been Wanda's lawyer for 16 years.
02:28I don't think Wanda will be seduced to change her professional,
02:32because everything that is being done here is being done very well
02:35and on the legal path.
02:37What was said was that a specialist lawyer would be incorporated in criminal matters.
02:42Dr. Pajarola.
02:43Well, no.
02:44The only thing I'm going to tell you is that Dr. Pajarola
02:48had an intervention in Tigre
02:51on a topic that had to do with the Casa de Santa Bárbara.
02:54Exclusively and according to that.
02:56Period.
02:57Doctor, did Mauro know about Domicilio, which was a topic that was not...
03:00That is very important for us.
03:02We are waiting.
03:03That's why we just went to talk to your ladyship,
03:05who was not in the...
03:06I mean, she is in an audience,
03:08because we really want to know where Mauro is living,
03:11mainly to be able to establish a communication regime with the children.
03:15And the link between them, how is it today, doctor?
03:17It does not exist.
03:18There is no dialogue.
03:20And, unfortunately, I understand that the children cannot be victims
03:24at any time of a rupture.
03:27The parents separate, but the children must not separate.
03:30There is a perimetral.
03:31There is a perimetral.
03:32Are you seeing the old ladies, Mauro?
03:34No, he is not seeing them.
03:36And for us it is essential that he sees them,
03:38because Wanda, when her divorce with Maxi López happened,
03:41there was an impediment of contact with the children.
03:43So Wanda...
03:44But is it because of the divorce?
03:46I will also explain to clarify other things.
03:49It is very confusing and it seems to me that having me,
03:52there is no double language.
03:54When we said that the divorce had to be processed here
03:58and not in Istanbul,
03:59it was because this is the last conjugal home.
04:02Although Italy was legally where it is processing,
04:08where it processed the separation of assets and others,
04:10we would not have any obstacle
04:12for the judge intervening in the divorce to be in Italy.
04:16In fact, a first hearing is scheduled for March 11,
04:20soon.
04:22In Italy.
04:23In Italy.
04:24But, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
04:27Sorry, sorry.
04:28Let me finish with the proposal.
04:30That's what I said,
04:32that Italy would have been a really good place
04:34to propose the divorce,
04:36since there is all the documentation.
04:38But, if he is really interested in having the divorce ready,
04:43the information is confusing,
04:45because he could have initiated it in Argentina,
04:48that in a week the divorce comes out.
04:50But it was said that the divorce was already there.
04:53Here? No, here it is not yet.
04:55The divorce is being proposed in Italy.
04:57Why did the parisienne repeat herself?
04:59No, they are different situations.
05:01When Wanda came the first time,
05:03you did not find out,
05:05she came simply to confirm her situation of risk,
05:09that is, to make an evaluation of risk,
05:11since she had not done the famous procedure in the OBD.
05:14As it was not done,
05:16in the OBD,
05:18once the judge intervened in all matters,
05:22he decided that he had to come here,
05:24to the office,
05:26to this interdisciplinary body,
05:29as it is called,
05:31to the effect of ratifying his situation.
05:34Once that happened,
05:36the judge took measures.
05:38Those measures are in force and in course.
05:40What happens?
05:42When Mr. Icardi came here,
05:44it is simply because he has to raise
05:46a series of circumstances that they deserved,
05:48that Wanda comes again today,
05:50and on the 17th he returns.
05:52Is there any intention from the other lawyers
05:54of an approach?
05:56I had it until a week ago,
05:58then the dialogue was cut.
06:00Doctor, is there any perimetric measure?
06:03There is, but regarding Wanda,
06:05not regarding the boys.
06:07That's why Wanda is concerned.
06:13We do not know.
06:14The truth is that it is a very delicate issue,
06:16because for me, and I reiterate it,
06:18and I do not contradict myself,
06:20I always said that he was an excellent father,
06:23and I understand that he still is.
06:25He was always present.
06:27But the famous issue of the food quota,
06:30you know that it is an issue that
06:32personally worries me,
06:34always worried me and will continue to worry me.
06:36Wanda, can you keep talking to Mauro?
06:38No, no.
06:40I had some messages from him
06:42a while ago,
06:44and well, not later,
06:46but it seems correct to me,
06:48because I spoke for months and months
06:50with the Italian lawyers.
06:52They cannot be together for justice.
06:54Now there is an impediment.
06:56There is a perimeter.
06:58I did not read the messages.
07:04We made the presentation,
07:06beyond showing that there are contradictions
07:08in the approach,
07:10because the Argentine lawyers
07:12ask for the restitution to Istanbul.
07:14He came, we believed,
07:16because it was said that he was retiring
07:18on November 25 to Turkey,
07:20if he was going to operate we do not know where,
07:22but not here,
07:24and that he was going to do a rehabilitation
07:26for several months.
07:28Therefore, the logic is that he did
07:30an important rehabilitation,
07:32since he has to recover
07:34his standard and status.
07:36Regarding the violence,
07:38did he advance in that?
07:40Yes, Wanda made all the complaints,
07:42made all the reports,
07:44was cited several times,
07:46was in the prosecution,
07:48and well, the measures are in progress.
07:50I'm not going to talk about which ones,
07:52but they are.
07:54I see her
07:56worried,
07:58precisely because
08:00one thing is the personal relationship,
08:02the divorce,
08:04everything that has to do with it.
08:10Don't fight,
08:12I'm telling you everything I can,
08:14within the limits of what I can.
08:16Wanda said that she already signed
08:18a property division.
08:20Almost three years ago,
08:22and I think that the first one,
08:24at the time,
08:26was a TV program,
08:28I don't know if you are there,
08:30but it was by Ángel de Brito,
08:32that he received
08:34at the time,
08:36from Wanda,
08:38information where he was told
08:40that the property division was done.
08:42Therefore, for everyone to stay calm,
08:44this is not a patrimonial,
08:46economic issue.
08:48Here we are not talking about what
08:50Wanda said,
08:52because it is already clarified.
08:54The only thing that is worth mentioning
08:56is when information is slipped
08:58from the other side,
09:00which says that Wanda has
09:02important income
09:04from the rents she receives
09:06from the properties that were
09:08adjudicated in the property division.
09:10It is very important to clarify
09:12that this separation agreement
09:14is very equidistant.
09:16Wanda stayed on properties
09:18We are not talking about Wanda
09:20receiving the numbers that the other side
09:22mentioned, of rent,
09:24and that he has nothing.
09:26He has, and I suppose he has well invested
09:28his own.
09:30Dr. Marcovecchio referred to the audio
09:32in which Wanda says that he was in a hurry
09:34to sign the papers because he was willing
09:36to give everything that could make
09:38the property division go back.
09:40To close this reasoning,
09:42I feel like I'm in a press conference.
09:44More or less.
09:48The only thing I can tell you
09:50is that if eventually...
09:52I don't see a risk because I read
09:54and I have it. In fact, there is
09:56the property division agreement.
09:58I think it is done in a formal,
10:00correct way and so on.
10:02There were two lawyers, a notary
10:04and so on, but if eventually
10:06there is any attempt to want
10:08to go back, I think Wanda
10:10wins with the profitability
10:12and not with the property division.
10:14Can you move out?
10:16We are at the door.
10:18A child has to leave.
10:20There are children who have to leave.
10:22I ask you to move aside.
10:24Yes, of course.
10:28Open up.
10:30There you go.
10:32So, to make it clear,
10:34this hearing is part of what cause?
10:36I think
10:38it has to be very clear
10:40that when Wanda
10:42and I the other day made the reference
10:44that if he really wants to divorce
10:46and end a stage
10:48in his life to start another
10:50the reasoning
10:52of why they don't do it in Argentina
10:54is because of the speed with which the same process
10:56could be carried out.
10:58But we are going to have
11:00the hearing
11:02set for March 11
11:04in Milan.
11:06I will answer you again
11:08that if eventually
11:10he wants to ask for some kind of
11:12annulment
11:14of what was signed at the time
11:16I don't know if Wanda would not like it
11:18because the gain
11:20exceeds
11:22and I will answer you
11:24exceeds
11:26what she received in properties.
11:32Do you follow the war of inheritance?
11:34I don't like the word war.
11:36I am a micro-family.
11:38I love that
11:40of course
11:42everyone defends their rights.
11:44Here the boys were never a cause for discussion.
11:46I know the love that Mauro has
11:48for his five children.
11:50Three related and two biological.
11:52So I don't understand
11:54why there is no contact
11:56between them at this time.
11:58Well, up to there the conference
12:00that Dr. Rosenfeld gave at the door
12:02of the place where Wanda Nara
12:04was a little lost at first
12:06to complete these
12:08cases.
12:10It is a judicial cause that
12:12obviously just begins.
12:14There is a lot of talk about the future
12:16of children, of minors.
12:18Of course, all this has to be
12:20courted and agreed upon
12:22between the couple.
12:24There is a lot of talk about family interaction.
12:26I'm going live with Leo Godoy
12:28to the place to see if we are ready
12:30for Wanda to leave
12:32because in minutes she will be leaving.
12:34Leo, how are you? Good morning.
12:36Yes, we are waiting
12:38because just a minute ago
12:40Dr. Anna Rosenfeld
12:42was here at the door.
12:44She signs that the hearing
12:46has concluded.
12:48So at any time
12:50and also by the police movements
12:52we understand that at any time
12:54Wanda Nara may be leaving
12:56from this first investigation
12:58to which she has submitted
13:00and in a few more days
13:02she will have to submit
13:04in Mauro Icardi.
13:06She will have to come here
13:08and talk with the specialists
13:10to realize
13:12her psychological situation
13:14above all.
13:16To face
13:18this divorce
13:20which is a very complex divorce
13:22at least what I was hearing
13:24from the talk
13:26of what we were just talking about
13:28with Anna Rosenfeld
13:30where there are several causes at the same time
13:32but also where there are several jurisdictions
13:34where, for example, the last home
13:36is in Argentina, a home
13:38in Italy, another home
13:40in Turkey,
13:42well, places where the family
13:44obviously
13:46can be the place
13:48where this controversy
13:50has to do with this divorce begins.
13:52Well, from there a complexity
13:54and then everything that has to do with
13:56the tenancy of the children,
13:58everything that has to do with
14:00the divorce.
14:02There is a word, I want to add it to Analia Ramirez.
14:04Analia, how are you?
14:06Family interaction is a word that Anna Rosenfeld
14:08all the time screamed
14:10in that press conference.
14:12Leo, if I appear, I go straight to you.
14:14Yes, what is being tried is to know
14:16what the family dynamic was.
14:18Family interaction refers to the intrafamily dynamic.
14:20What was that relationship between Wanda, Mauro,
14:22the minors, the five children?
14:24Knowing what that dynamic was
14:26and how all this influences
14:28the minors. Why?
14:30Because here we have, on the one hand, the complaint
14:32that Wanda made for gender violence.
14:34On the other hand, a complaint that Mauro made
14:36for procedural fraud.
14:38Because he indicates that he made that complaint
14:40precisely to benefit herself
14:42with the exclusion of his home.
14:44All this is being vented in justice.
14:46Analia, now there is an uproar of Wanda
14:48in Argentina, which is another topic to discuss.
14:50Because they came
14:52living, residing in another country
14:54and suddenly everything changes here.
14:56I heard Dr. Ana Rosenfeld
14:58a little angry, saying that
15:00he had changed, that they had thought
15:02that he was going to go to Turkey.
15:04But I also understand that when a couple
15:06separates, the other part
15:08goes through these issues that
15:10from day to day the other part does not have to know.
15:12Just as Wanda decides to cancel
15:14a trip to Thailand because this situation
15:16compromises her, I understand that Mauro
15:18will have thought the same and decided to operate here in Argentina.
15:20Leo, no news there.
15:22What is the idea? And I get in with Javi.
15:24Because Wanda is in the eyes of justice.
15:26Not only for this topic.
15:28Now, go a little deeper.
15:30Let's see, Leo.
15:32Yes, here we understand that at any time
15:34Wanda is going to come out.
15:36When Wanda entered, she did not
15:38make any kind of comment.
15:40Now, Ana Rosenfeld
15:42was the one who once led her
15:44to the door where this
15:46inquiry was going to be carried out, this hearing.
15:48Well, that's where
15:50she stayed waiting and
15:52Ana Rosenfeld kindly came out
15:54to talk to the journalists
15:56and give us details
15:58of this cause.
16:00There are several causes,
16:02actually. Well, in this case,
16:04with what has to do with family interaction.
16:06And I understand, the doctor will surely
16:08help us a little more,
16:10with the issue of divorce. This cause is
16:12linked to the divorce
16:14of Wanda's partner
16:16and Mauro Icardi.
16:18Then there is another one that has to do with what
16:20we said, Facu, that
16:22was mixed up in the talk,
16:24which is the complaint for alien violence,
16:26the exclusion of the home. There is a
16:28current perimeter that is
16:30between Wanda and Mauro.
16:32It does not include
16:34the boys, I understand.
16:36At least what Ana Rosenfeld said.
16:38And there is a certain
16:40disconnection, at least,
16:42from the words of Ana Rosenfeld,
16:44that Mauro would not be seeing
16:46the boys in these last days,
16:48for several reasons, because, well,
16:50she clarified it, she said, he was always
16:52a very good father,
16:54with a very good relationship with the five.
16:56Of course. Now, is it supposed
16:58to be a procedure that can extend,
17:00Analia, two hours?
17:02Two, three hours.
17:04They are very long situations. It can be an hour,
17:06it can be an hour and a half, two hours, three hours.
17:08The truth is that there is talk about
17:10family conflict with everything that
17:12that has to do with it. Of course, I remember the day
17:14Mauro, Leo, I think it was you,
17:16three hours.
17:18Three hours.
17:20There was a new audience
17:22that later, if it was going to be
17:24virtual, but actually later it was asked
17:26to be face-to-face.
17:28And well, this is going to be, I think it's
17:30the 17th, I understand.
17:32It is the day that
17:34Mauro Icardi has to present himself.
17:36Well, let's see, we're all
17:38attentive. Let's see, let's see, let's see.
17:40There is movement. I'm going with you, Leo.
17:42The police are starting to mobilize.
17:44Let's see.
17:46Let's see if they're going to
17:48allow us to stop for a minute.
17:50The idea is that here
17:52Ana Aronce went with Wanda Nara
17:54in front of all the cameras, the journalists,
17:56to be able to chat.
17:58So we are attentive.
18:00Here already the federal police,
18:02who is the one who has
18:04the custody of the building,
18:06are preparing for
18:08the imminent departure
18:10then already of Wanda Nara
18:12with her lawyer
18:14Ana Aronce.
18:16After this hearing,
18:18an hearing that I tell you must have lasted
18:20more or less an hour, an hour and a quarter.
18:22This is requested by the
18:24justice.
18:26It's not that Wanda's lawyer
18:28says no, I want Icardi's
18:30expertise, and Icardi's lawyer
18:32says no, I want Wanda to do it.
18:34Well, they agree. No, this is requested by the
18:36justice, and based on that,
18:38the judge, or the judge
18:40in this case, takes a
18:42determination regarding the circumstances
18:44that are happening
18:46as a couple and as a family.
18:50I say because it is not random.
18:52In fact, Javi,
18:54in fact, before, when it seems
18:56they made that failed entrance,
18:58they actually went to see the judge
19:00to see if there was any news
19:02regarding any presentation of
19:04Mauro Icardi. The judge was in an audience,
19:06he could not attend them,
19:08he could not attend them,
19:10he could not attend them,
19:12he could not attend them,
19:14he could not attend them,
19:16he could not attend them,
19:18he could not attend them,
19:20he could not attend them,
19:22he could not attend them,
19:24he could not attend them,
19:26he could not attend them,
19:28he could not attend them,
19:30he could not attend them,
19:32he could not attend them,
19:34he could not attend them,
19:36so they are trying to
19:38protect that situation of people
19:40entering and leaving, but well,
19:42here the police is ready.
19:44Ana Rosenfeld promised us
19:46that when they left, she would speak.
19:48That is, that is why we are here prepared.
19:50Let's see, Ana, what is the key
19:52of an investigation,
19:54of a procedure like the one
19:56we are observing, that is happening,
19:58or that already ended
20:00within this trial? Yes, let's remember
20:02that they are not investigations, there is a technical issue,
20:04there is a technical issue between an investigation
20:06and this interdisciplinary talk,
20:08with the interdisciplinary body,
20:10precisely Forense,
20:12who are in charge, psychologists, psychiatrists,
20:14social assistants, to understand the family
20:16framework, what is the problem.
20:18Here we have, when there is a complaint
20:20for family violence, a gender violence
20:22in this case, because she does not infer
20:24that there is violence with the children,
20:26but with respect to her, and on the other hand,
20:28a complaint that Mauro made
20:30the previous week
20:32for procedural fraud, which is when
20:34the judge is induced to think of a way
20:36to take advantage of
20:38that situation. So, as the judge,
20:40in the face of these news, needs to finish
20:42understanding what is the reality
20:44and the family dynamics,
20:46what is violence, what was not violence,
20:48how was that relationship between them,
20:50and what were those roles in the family,
20:52he needs to expand that report
20:54that was done previously with this
20:56presentation of today and on the 17th of
20:58Mauro. I remember that Javi,
21:00you had at the time, in an exclusive way,
21:02details of the result
21:04that this procedure had given,
21:06and it was very interesting, of course,
21:08not only to see how these
21:10interdisciplinary experiments are carried out,
21:12or interviews,
21:14because there the future of this story
21:16will be discussed a little, right?
21:18We have them, if you want, we can review them.
21:20Regarding some of the most...
21:22What had been the result regarding Icardi?
21:24From Wanda, Wanda.
21:26The ones from Wanda that we knew,
21:28where, for psychologists,
21:30she relates situations
21:32that could be classified as harassment
21:34and threats, disqualifications
21:36towards her person,
21:38her children and the extended family group.
21:40She highlights that
21:42for a few months now,
21:44she is assuming the expenses of her daughters
21:46and the family home
21:48unilaterally.
21:50This is what is mentioned in the first
21:52expertise, the original
21:54expertise, right?
21:56Lack of dialogue
21:58between her daughters
22:00by Mr. Icardi,
22:02psychologists who attended
22:04Wanda at that time say.
22:06Difficulty of Mr. Icardi
22:08for the daily routines of the girls.
22:10Something that was mentioned
22:12by Rosenfeld,
22:14that he had no contact with the daughters.
22:16That now he was not in contact
22:18with the daughters these days.
22:20Yes, and
22:22nevertheless,
22:24possible verbal and psychological
22:26aggressions,
22:28symbolic, environmental and economic
22:30towards Mrs. Nara,
22:32is what they detected.
22:34Supposed negative of Mr. Icardi
22:36accepting the separation.
22:38Last episodes
22:40required judicial and police intervention,
22:42which we already know.
22:44More than a month ago,
22:46when everything started,
22:48at least publicly,
22:50when he settled
22:52in the Chateau,
22:54she wanted to enter, he did not let her,
22:56there was a discussion,
22:58finally they ended up taking
23:00Icardi out of that department.
23:02Exposure of the girls to adult conflict
23:04and psychological abuse.
23:06Vulnerability of Wanda,
23:08psycho-emotional.
23:10Minimization and naturalization of violence
23:12by Mrs. Wanda.
23:14What does it mean?
23:16Minimization, as we always say.
23:18Well, it's not so much.
23:20Naturalization.
23:22Lower the intensity
23:24of what is being denounced.
23:26One thing is clear,
23:28you have to understand this,
23:30if she naturalized it,
23:32I want to be very careful with this,
23:34generated that situation
23:36also being violent with the other person,
23:38because Mauro also talks about violence.
23:40Both.
23:42Now what the judge has to understand,
23:44where there are minors,
23:46it is very important to understand
23:48this report to expand
23:50what each of the parties already commented,
23:52but expanding above all these situations
23:54that Wanda would also generate
23:56violence in Mauro.
23:58Remember that they started,
24:00actually Icardi,
24:02started the divorce process
24:04in Italy.
24:06In Italy, as Rosenfeld just said.
24:08But you had told her
24:10that you can certify
24:12a procedure initiated in another country,
24:14you have to come here and subscribe, right?
24:16It is called exequatur,
24:18the procedure by which a divorce
24:20is registered in another country,
24:22in Argentina, so that the effects
24:24occur here.
24:26Here they also got married.
24:28Here they got married,
24:30but the law says that to divorce you
24:32it has to be the last home of the marriage.
24:34And the last home is Turkey.
24:36Although they were in Turkey,
24:38they were already separated.
24:40But the marital home is located in Turkey,
24:42not in Italy.
24:44In Turkey they do not end up
24:46getting together as a family.
24:48She was in one department, he in another.
24:50Because what is written here is that.
24:52In this case,
24:54Icardi's lawyer says
24:56the last marital home
24:58written,
25:00signed,
25:02is Turkey.
25:04So, sorry,
25:06they get married in Turkey.
25:08No, they got married in Italy and Argentina.
25:10So, if they get married in Italy and Argentina,
25:12do you drag the Italian process
25:14to a new process here in Argentina?
25:16If you get married in Argentina
25:18or in Italy or in both places,
25:20as we know,
25:22what has to do with the divorce
25:24is which was the last home.
25:26Which was the last home.
25:28If that last home, one of the parties
25:30maintains that it is Turkey
25:32and the other does not agree,
25:34it will have to provide the evidence
25:36by which it says that it was not Turkey
25:38and that it was Italy.
25:40Wait a minute, wait a minute.
25:42Leo, any news out there?
25:46Well, here, look, we're still waiting.
25:48I think what is being
25:50awaited is for the mobile phone
25:52to arrive,
25:54the truck that is going to move it.
25:56That's why they're already here.
25:58They're already here, the guys tell me.
26:00So, well, at any time
26:02it has to come out.
26:04I guess they'll be ordering.
26:06Rosenfeld already went out to see if he was there.
26:08Well, here they confirm that he is.