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00:00Tonight's interviewer, Osamu Hayashi,
00:04came from the Kabuki world, which has a history of more than 400 years.
00:13Hello.
00:14Nice to meet you.
00:15Nice to meet you.
00:16Please come this way.
00:23Nice to meet you.
00:24Nice to meet you.
00:25I'm nervous.
00:26I'm nervous.
00:27I'm nervous.
00:28This is the first time I've seen this.
00:32Please prepare this for yourself.
00:36Is this water okay?
00:39It's a suspicious water.
00:40Maybe.
00:41It's a little blurry.
00:43It's cool.
00:45He was famous two years ago.
00:47The 13th generation, Ichikawa Danjuro Hakuen.
00:51Ichikawa Danjuro family is the founder of Edo Kabuki,
00:59and it is one of the most prestigious families.
01:03Tonight, the children will see the surprising appearance of Danjuro's father.
01:09I have a strong impression that my father is cute.
01:14My father is muscular.
01:17If I do this, I will be scolded by my father.
01:21It's so funny.
01:22It's so funny.
01:26In addition, there is no NG.
01:28Danjuro can't stop talking about anything.
01:32My seniors had a battle of bone meat.
01:36My room is three centimeters narrower than my brother's.
01:38What is it?
01:39I brought a measuring tape and measured it.
01:41And now, what does he think of his dead wife, Mao Kobayashi?
01:47There is a figure of Mao watching Hatsumemie.
01:54That was one of my dreams in my life.
01:58First of all, let's look at the family portrait of Danjuro of the Ichikawa family.
02:02It's a great family portrait, isn't it?
02:05That's right.
02:06But if you look at your own family portrait...
02:09I don't think anything because I only have relatives.
02:12That's how you feel.
02:14I've known Takako since I was young.
02:16I've known Koshiro for a long time.
02:19We were on the same stage together.
02:21Uncle Hako was on the same stage with me.
02:24From our point of view, the people in the clouds are all relatives.
02:29Everyone in Kabuki is my relative.
02:31How do you feel about that?
02:33Ms. Kichiemon's daughter and my classmate, Kikunosuke, got married.
02:40When they got married, they were all my relatives.
02:43Danjuro of the Ichikawa family has a surprising life.
02:51I have the impression that he is very enthusiastic about updating his blog.
02:58Danjuro's daily life is uploaded on his blog.
03:04Anyway, it is natural that he posts more than 20 times a day due to the number of posts.
03:13He has posted more than 99,000 times in the past 11 years.
03:22According to the staff, he has already posted 14 times today.
03:28He went to bed at 9.30 a.m. and went to bed at 8.00 a.m.
03:33He was abroad until yesterday.
03:35When he came back and practiced, he got sleepy.
03:40When he went to bed with his daughter, he fell asleep.
03:44It happens a lot.
03:47When he woke up, he thought he woke up early.
03:51When he checked his watch, he found that his children had gone to school at 8.00 a.m.
03:57Are you feeling better today?
03:59I'm totally fine.
04:01I can do anything.
04:03Can you sleep with your daughter?
04:05Yes, I can.
04:07Yesterday, I was asked if I could sleep with my daughter.
04:09I said yes.
04:11Your daughter is a junior high school student.
04:14Yes, she is.
04:16It is rare for a junior high school girl and her father to sleep together.
04:21I don't think so.
04:23That's good.
04:25He is a superstar.
04:27It is rare for a junior high school girl and her father to sleep together.
04:29It is rare for a junior high school girl and her father to sleep together.
04:31He was in a TV drama the other day.
04:33Have you seen it?
04:35Ninomiya's Black Pain.
04:39Ichikawa Botan, the eldest daughter of Danjuro.
04:42She is 13 years old.
04:44Currently, she is an actress.
04:47She also appeared in the Japanese-style theater Black Pain Season 2.
04:55Grandpa!
04:57She is the granddaughter of a yoga teacher.
04:59She is the granddaughter of a teacher.
05:01She is an actress who makes apple pies for her grandfather.
05:04She did something at home before the shooting.
05:12I was in Black Pain.
05:16But about two months before the shooting,
05:20my daughter made my apple pie every day.
05:23She kept asking me to eat her apple pie.
05:26She kept asking me to eat her apple pie every day.
05:29I didn't know how much she liked it, so I didn't ask her in depth.
05:32Like, is it good? Is it sweet?
05:35That's what I told her.
05:37But when Blackpain was on air,
05:40when I watched it live,
05:42she said,
05:43Oh, she's baking apple pies.
05:44Really?
05:46That's what she meant?
05:47That's what she meant.
05:49So I thought, if I did it on Twitter,
05:52Ninomiya-kun would watch it,
05:54and I'd say,
05:55Thank you for making apple pies for me.
05:58That's what she replied to me.
06:00Oh, yeah, this one.
06:02So this became a hot topic.
06:03Yeah, this became a hot topic.
06:05But still, thank you, Ninomiya-san.
06:08I asked these people
06:11what they thought of Danjuro-papa.
06:17Right?
06:20Wow, amazing.
06:21The eldest daughter, Ichikawa Botan,
06:23and the eldest son, Ichikawa Shinnosuke.
06:26Cute.
06:27It's a pee-pee.
06:30Speaking of Danjuro,
06:41he's all about Kabuki.
06:46He's fascinated by his powerful performance.
06:51But what about Danjuro-papa at home?
06:54What is it?
06:55I think the audience will think he's powerful,
06:59but he's not powerful.
07:04I can remember that.
07:07He's not powerful.
07:08He's powerful,
07:10or rather, he's strong.
07:13He's cute.
07:14When he's on TV,
07:16he's the one who's most frustrated,
07:19and he's the one who expresses his emotions the most.
07:24He's a little...
07:25cute.
07:28Papa equals cute.
07:30I have a strong impression that he's cute.
07:34He gets angry sometimes,
07:36but not that often.
07:38Once every three weeks,
07:39or once every two weeks.
07:41How often does he go to the toilet?
07:45I don't think he goes to the toilet.
07:47Papa has big muscles,
07:49but when he goes to the toilet,
07:50he looks like he's going to get beaten up.
07:53He's so funny.
07:56He's a gyaru.
07:58By the way,
07:59he sends more than 20 photos of him on his blog
08:03to the kids through a message app.
08:08To be honest,
08:10if it's a photo of a flower,
08:12it's supposed to be pretty, right?
08:15But sometimes,
08:16there are photos that you don't know how to return.
08:20What kind of photos?
08:21When he's in the sauna.
08:22When he's in the sauna,
08:24he doesn't return the photos.
08:26That's true.
08:27I like it when he returns the photos in the sauna.
08:30It's hard for me to return the photos.
08:33I think about it a lot.
08:35I think Papa knows that,
08:37but he doesn't send them to me.
08:41He's so funny.
08:42Shinnosuke is a little annoying,
08:46but Papa's blog can be useful.
08:49He's good at talking.
08:51When I look at his blog,
08:54during the summer vacation,
08:57when I feel like I'm saving up my diary,
09:01I look at his blog and check it out.
09:04That's a good way to use it.
09:06It's perfect.
09:09Shinnosuke says that his blog is a good substitute for a memo.
09:15I can tell that the two of you really love and respect your father.
09:21That's why we can sleep together.
09:22That's right.
09:23Shinnosuke is using his blog for his summer homework.
09:28Did you know that?
09:29Of course.
09:30I told him at first.
09:32You told him to look at it?
09:33Yes.
09:34No matter how much he does his homework,
09:36he always forgets his diary.
09:39Then he can't remember anything for two months.
09:43That's right.
09:44I told him to look at his father's blog.
09:46I wrote everything down.
09:49I've been using his blog since then.
09:52You have a lot of ability to make it into a language.
09:55Yes, the two of us.
09:57Do you often talk about it with your family?
09:59We talk a lot.
10:01We talk about acting, training, Japan, overseas, investment, and company.
10:08We talk about everything.
10:10We talk about elections, Japan's elections,
10:12about the people, about Trump overseas,
10:16about the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.
10:19We talk about everything.
10:21Do you treat him as an adult?
10:23We treat him as an adult.
10:25That's right.
10:26We treat him as an adult.
10:28I think this is Mao's DNA.
10:31At that age, he was a kid.
10:34I don't know anything about it.
10:37I don't know anything about it.
10:39Please tell us something.
10:41You've been looking at him all day.
10:43I've been looking at him all day.
10:45Speaking of Danjuro Ichikawa,
10:48there are many legendary episodes from the era of Ebizo.
10:54For example,
10:56he ran into an unknown family.
11:00What do you mean?
11:01For example,
11:02I used to ride a bicycle with Mao.
11:06I wanted to live in a place like this when I was old.
11:09That's what I was talking about.
11:11After Mao left,
11:13there was a vacant lot.
11:16I wondered if it was for sale.
11:18I wondered if I could buy it.
11:20I rang the doorbell of the house next door.
11:22I asked if I could buy it.
11:24If they said no, I would buy it.
11:26They said yes, so I bought it.
11:29You don't know if it's for sale.
11:32I don't know.
11:33You don't know if it's for sale.
11:34That's right.
11:35That's why I went to ask.
11:37You can't do that.
11:39That's right.
11:40That's what I did when I was young.
11:42Did you do that at other people's houses?
11:44Yes, I did.
11:45Mom, Ebizo is here.
11:47Ebizo is here?
11:48What is it?
11:49Is it okay?
11:51I see.
11:52I have something I want to know.
11:55But he recognizes me.
11:57That's right.
12:02I think it's rare to see people laughing with such a smile.
12:06Is that so?
12:09King!
12:10It's the king's laugh.
12:11It's the king's laugh.
12:15It's the laugh of the king of Kazakhstan.
12:17It's the laugh of the king of Kazakhstan.
12:20I can hear it because it's Ichikawa Danjuro.
12:22The episode of the king's laugh is not like this.
12:37When I was practicing, I felt relieved when my father was watching.
12:45So, I'm more nervous than usual.
12:49I'm strict sometimes, but I'm usually kind.
12:52I don't say,
12:54I'm not good at this.
12:57First, how will the boy born in the best Kabuki school grow up to Ichikawa Danjuro?
13:05Osamu Hayashi is approaching.
13:08According to the image of the guest, Masaru Akai, who is a family member,
13:13designs this flower.
13:17This time, it's called the Great King in the pine tree.
13:20The Great King Award.
13:21The Great King Award.
13:22It represents Ichikawa Danjuro, one of the best Kabuki schools.
13:28The Great King in the Pine Tree.
13:31The name Ichikawa Danjuro has a different weight.
13:35It's hard.
13:36I don't know why.
13:40It's hard.
13:41It's hard.
13:44Can I ask you some questions?
13:45Of course.
13:46I'm free.
13:48It is said that there is a power struggle between Kabukizawa and Ichikawa Danjuro.
13:55It used to be.
13:56It used to be.
13:57It used to be.
13:58If you give up once, you will never come back.
14:00It used to be.
14:02It's interesting.
14:03Speaking of Kabukizawa, it is the only Kabuki theater in the world.
14:08It is special for the actors to play the leading role there.
14:14It's cool and beautiful.
14:16In the past, there was a conflict between seniors and juniors.
14:21Is that so?
14:22I was watching it.
14:23So, when I was about 10 years old, I was in my 60s and 50s.
14:28It was amazing.
14:29I always thought that I would never give up.
14:33Now, I think I have improved my driving skills.
14:39It was amazing.
14:40I'm not going to point it out, but I'm going to point it out.
14:43That's the spirit of the seniors.
14:45It's the same for everyone.
14:46If that person is in this school, I'm going to win the lottery in the hallway.
14:51People who win the lottery in the hallway.
14:53Is that so?
14:54It was amazing.
14:56It was really amazing.
14:57It was amazing.
14:58The funny thing is that my brother's room is in this hallway.
15:01My room is 3 cm away from my brother's room.
15:03I brought a measuring tape and measured it.
15:07I don't think it's made the same.
15:09It's 3 cm apart.
15:10I haven't seen it, but my grandfather measured it.
15:12That's amazing.
15:15It was a really tough time.
15:17That's why it was so interesting.
15:18I thought so.
15:20It's a mess.
15:21It looks interesting.
15:22It was interesting.
15:23Do you have that kind of power now?
15:25I don't have that kind of power.
15:27It's been a while since I've had that kind of power in Japan.
15:29That's right.
15:30Everyone is fighting.
15:32Everyone is gentle.
15:35It's boring.
15:39Ichikawa Danjuro was born in Naritaya, a famous school of Kabuki in the 13th generation.
15:47He was only 5 years old when he appeared on stage for the first time.
15:52That's amazing.
15:54It's amazing in order.
15:58And when he was 7 years old,
16:09he was named Ichikawa Shinnosuke.
16:12I didn't know there was such an era.
16:16He chose a path to make a great contribution to the 12th generation of Danjuro,
16:20who is both a teacher and a father.
16:24What kind of child was he?
16:27He was a quiet child.
16:31But he knew the energy level inside him.
16:34So, I thought I'd let him out little by little.
16:38You were watching him calmly.
16:41What are you doing?
16:43That's my mother's words.
16:46I really didn't want to be like this.
16:49There's a scene where Mao is looking at Hatsumemie.
16:53That was one of my dreams in my life.
16:57Did your father ever get angry at you when you were young?
17:00There are so many. I can't count them all.
17:03Please tell us.
17:05There is a sword that has been passed down from the first generation of Danjuro.
17:12My father cherished that sword.
17:16When I was in the 12th generation of Danjuro,
17:21I was 6 or 7 years old.
17:25In the factory, the Danjuro family
17:28would hold the sword in their hands,
17:31take off their skin, and take a walk.
17:34They would stare at it.
17:37The sword was passed down from generation to generation.
17:40Shinnosuke, hold this.
17:43I was the one who would hold it.
17:46I would hold the sword,
17:48come from the dressing room,
17:50and wait behind the stage.
17:52On that day, I played with my apprentice.
17:55It was a sacred day, wasn't it?
17:58I played with my apprentice.
18:00My apprentice was bad, too.
18:02He said,
18:03I'm here.
18:04I tried to go, but I couldn't.
18:06I said, wait.
18:07He said,
18:08You idiot!
18:09I said,
18:10What is it?
18:11He said,
18:12It's broken.
18:13I said,
18:14I'll bring it to the stage right away.
18:16I was the one from the first generation.
18:18Everyone was angry.
18:20Their faces were pale.
18:23I said,
18:24What are you going to do?
18:26He said,
18:27I have to bring something similar.
18:29On the second floor of Kabukicho,
18:31there was an old man who played Yuranosuke.
18:34He said,
18:35Isn't it similar?
18:37I said,
18:38I'm sorry.
18:39I'll lend it to you.
18:40He lent it to me.
18:41He said,
18:42Shinnosuke,
18:43I'm sorry, too.
18:44When I took it,
18:45before I put the sword in,
18:47it was a different sword.
18:49The moment I took it,
18:50everyone stared at me.
18:52That's what happened.
18:55I thought it was bad.
18:57But after that,
18:58everyone was angry.
19:00It was amazing.
19:02I thought it was bad,
19:04but I thought in my heart that
19:06I couldn't give a sword to a child
19:08that could be broken
19:09even if a child walked and used it.
19:11It was amazing.
19:12It was amazing.
19:14So I changed it.
19:16I changed it to a sword that couldn't be broken
19:18no matter what the child had.
19:20I made the inside of the sword
19:22into a real sword.
19:24I made the inside of the sword
19:25into a real sword.
19:26I made it into steel.
19:27No matter who does it,
19:28it won't break.
19:29It won't break.
19:30It won't break.
19:31It won't break.
19:32It won't break.
19:33It won't break.
19:34It's cool.
19:35He jumped into the world of Kabuki
19:36with his own will.
19:38But when he went inside,
19:40But when he went inside,
19:41the practice itself was painful.
19:43the practice itself was painful.
19:44It was a lot of hard practice.
19:46After that,
19:47after seven years old,
19:49I was taught by another student
19:50instead of my father.
19:52So I practiced for 2 hours every day.
19:54I became a tsuikan-ban-hernia
19:55at 10 years old.
19:56at 10 years old.
19:58I practiced too much.
19:59At 10 years old?
20:00Did you think you'd quit someday?
20:02When I was young.
20:03When I was young.
20:04How long did you think you'd quit?
20:05About 17 years old.
20:06About 17 years old.
20:07I thought I'd quit.
20:09It was hard.
20:10So why did you decide to continue?
20:12So why did you decide to continue?
20:13I had a great love for my father and mother.
20:15I had a great love for my father and mother.
20:17But in actuality,
20:18my late father passed away early.
20:19my late father passed away early.
20:21So I had never met my grandfather.
20:24And when my grandfather passed away 30 years ago,
20:27I was only 17.
20:30That was the first time I saw his pictures.
20:33I used to think that Kabuki
20:42In the video, I was like,
20:44what? Is there such a cool guy in the world?
20:47That's what I thought.
20:49In my mind, Kabuki and Sofu were different.
20:53Do you understand?
20:54Yes, I understand.
20:55So I looked at Sofu and thought,
20:57if this is Kabuki,
20:59I thought I could bet my life on it.
21:02That's why I decided when I was 17.
21:05I thought I'd do it.
21:06There's such a cool guy.
21:08And my grandfather is cool.
21:11After seeing Sofu on stage,
21:14Ichikawa Danjuro,
21:16who is the most popular member of the Kabuki world,
21:19was determined to do it.
21:23And then...
21:25He said, I'm definitely like my mom.
21:28I think it's my dad's mischievous personality
21:31and my mom's kind personality.
21:36Thank you very much.
21:38There's a scene where Ichikawa Danjuro is looking at Hatsumemie.
21:42That was one of my dreams in my life.
21:46The words of his mother, Mao, who became the support of his children.
21:55In the Kabuki world,
21:57only the So family and Ichikawa Danjuro family are allowed.
22:02There are many Kabuki actors,
22:04but the So family is...
22:06The So family is probably the only family in the Kabuki world.
22:09There are a lot of things that are only allowed there.
22:12For example, the wig.
22:14I have a bottle on my head.
22:17It's called Masakari.
22:19Other than Danjuro,
22:21everyone has a back hair called Kushime.
22:24But Danjuro's hair is oiled,
22:26but it's polished.
22:28The traditional culture of Kabuki
22:30has a way of doing things that you can't see.
22:33In that sense, it's a big deal.
22:35Why did I become a Kabuki actor?
22:38It's been decided since you were born.
22:41But if you don't have a good record,
22:44you can't do it.
22:46I think I've been doing my best,
22:49but I don't think people understand it.
22:54Danjuro has been doing Kabuki since the Edo period.
22:57He revived what was no longer played in the 18th Kabuki,
23:01while protecting the tradition.
23:05He collaborated with Chūnori and Projection Mapping.
23:14He also did a live stream with real-time CG.
23:21He is spreading the traditional Japanese culture of Kabuki
23:24to the younger generation and the world.
23:28And sometimes he collaborates with this.
23:35In the movie, Star Wars,
23:38he played the role of C-3PO,
23:41a popular character in Kabuki.
23:44C-3PO is C-3PO.
23:47What have you done?
23:50He cherishes the tradition
23:53that has been passed down from generation to generation.
23:56He tries to take advantage of the modern elements.
23:59He is a great actor.
24:03He takes advantage of the modern elements
24:06to create a new Kabuki.
24:09There is a feeling.
24:12I don't know if this expression is correct,
24:15but when it comes to transformation,
24:18is there a lot of resistance from the outside or from the inside?
24:21From the inside.
24:24It's a closed world.
24:27But on the other hand,
24:30there are many people who are practicing Kabuki.
24:33But that's not all.
24:36If you follow the tradition, you will follow the tradition.
24:39That's not all.
24:42You follow the tradition,
24:45and you do something new.
24:48That's how you follow the tradition.
24:51If you are stuck in something,
24:54you may maintain the current situation,
24:57but if you move to the right,
25:00it will be a horizontal line.
25:03That's how I see it.
25:06In the Edo period, Kabuki evolved
25:09by incorporating the latest elements of the time.
25:12That's why Kabuki has been adopted
25:15and passed down from generation to generation
25:18without hesitation.
25:21That is the tradition of Ichikawa Danjuro,
25:24a master of Kabuki.
25:27Mr. Danjuro is really amazing.
25:30Some people complain,
25:33but I think you should see the stage.
25:36It's amazing. It's clearly different.
25:39The atmosphere also changes.
25:42It's an overwhelming stage.
25:45The curtain comes down from behind the flower path
25:48and says,
25:51Ichikawa Botan and Ichikawa Shinnosuke
25:54express their gratitude to their mother
25:57for the first time on TV.
26:00Danjuro, the father of Ichikawa Botan and Ichikawa Shinnosuke,
26:03and Ichikawa Shinnosuke, the master of Ichikawa Botan and Ichikawa Shinnosuke,
26:06is approaching Danjuro.
26:11In October this year,
26:14Danjuro and Ichikawa Shinnosuke
26:17will hold a memorial ceremony at Oyako.
26:20What kind of teacher is it for the two of them at the rehearsal?
26:26Usually, when I'm practicing,
26:29my father teaches me
26:32when I'm watching.
26:37He teaches me the details
26:40and the whole thing.
26:43Sometimes he's strict,
26:46but usually he's kind.
26:49He doesn't say things like that.
26:52When I'm practicing,
26:55when my father is watching,
26:58I feel at ease,
27:01but I'm more nervous than usual.
27:04When I look at my father's back,
27:07he makes me think,
27:10and teaches me.
27:13He's really cool.
27:16I respect him.
27:23Shinnosuke often stands on the same stage as his father, Danjuro.
27:26Shinnosuke often stands on the same stage as his father, Danjuro.
27:29The first time he went on stage
27:32was when he was 2 years and 8 months old.
27:37At the time,
27:40he was looking forward to his first meeting with Danjuro.
27:47Even though his father
27:50was very close to real Danjuro,
27:55they were not
27:58close to becoming parents.
28:03And even though his father
28:06had to leave for his studies,
28:10he still loved Danjuro
28:12Maotan was not the only one who was pushed back by Maotan, but also by Shinnosuke.
28:37It was a few years ago, when Maotan was struggling to find her own path.
28:45Did your father ever tell you that this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity?
28:52No, he didn't.
28:55I don't know what I want to be in the future, but I really don't have a goal.
29:02Maotan's mother, Maotan, wrote this sentence while she was in treatment.
29:10To become the person you want to be.
29:13To make your life more colorful.
29:17Because life is only once in a lifetime.
29:22As a result...
29:24I was able to join a new agency and take a new step.
29:32I think I was pushed back by those words.
29:37Your way of speaking is wonderful.
29:39And recently, her father told her about her mother, Maotan.
29:47Recently, my father told me...
29:51I have a father's personality and a mother's personality, so I'm definitely similar to my mother.
30:00I think I have a father's mischievous personality and a mother's kind personality.
30:08Thank you very much.
30:10Did you get it right?
30:12Maybe.
30:13I got it right.
30:18How was it?
30:20Well...
30:22You know, Maotan is watching Hatsumemiya's performance.
30:28That was one of my dreams in my life.
30:31Maotan is watching Hatsumemiya's performance for the first time as a child.
30:41When I first saw my son and daughter standing on the stage of Kabuki, I thought they were very happy.
30:53I thought so when I saw my mother and other family members.
30:57That's why I wanted them to experience this performance.
31:02That's why I wanted them to experience this performance.
31:10Did Maotan's words push you back?
31:14I think so, too.
31:18I think Maotan's words are necessary for children to make important decisions.
31:29On the other hand, Danjuro himself says that his mother's teaching is the cornerstone of Ichikawa Danjuro now.
31:40Did you learn anything from your mother?
31:46What I learned from my mother is that she forgets everything when she goes to bed.
31:54I thought I was crazy when I was a kid.
32:00She gets mad at me when I do something wrong.
32:06So, I don't remember anything when I feel uncomfortable the next day.
32:11When I pretend not to remember, I don't remember anything.
32:16So, I check a lot of things to see if I really don't remember.
32:20But I really don't remember.
32:22So, I learned from my mother.
32:25Even if something bad happens, I try to have a function to forget.
32:29I'm probably a mother's child, so I always have a function to forget when something bad happens.
32:36That's why I activated it.
32:39Did you actually activate it?
32:41I don't care about anything the next day.
32:45I wake up fresh as a new day.
32:48That's one way of living, isn't it?
32:50That's right.
32:51I don't even sleep.
32:53If I lie down, I can sleep in two seconds.
32:57Did you ever feel frustrated?
33:01No.
33:02That's great.
33:04What is frustration?
33:07Is there anything you can't get over?
33:11No.
33:12No?
33:13It's a short-term problem, not a long-term problem.
33:17I'm just talking about how to live a short-term problem as a nutrient.
33:24That's what's important.
33:27That's why I'm here now.
33:31Instead of being overwhelmed by the changing emotions and neglecting what he should do,
33:39Danjuro forgets bad things and focuses on what he should do.
33:45Danjuro continues to learn from his mother.
33:52His father and great master, Danjuro Ichikawa,
34:02also taught him how to be a great teacher.
34:09Danjuro's father, Danjuro Ichikawa,
34:14contributed to modern kabuki by reviving the old-fashioned kabuki, Kabuki No. 18.
34:21Danjuro performed kabuki all the time,
34:24and even when he was sick, he continued to perform on stage.
34:32Do you still remember anything from your father?
34:37I have a lot.
34:39My father taught me a lot of things.
34:44Things about the world,
34:47about kabuki,
34:49and about human desires.
34:52In my father's case, he was more of a scholar.
34:56His title was Kabuki actor, but he was a scholar.
35:01Danjuro Ichikawa was good at glaring at people.
35:05When he was glared at, he said,
35:09When Danjuro Ichikawa was glared at?
35:12When he was glared at, he said,
35:13I've never heard of the coronavirus or the flu.
35:17No, that's not true.
35:19That's too unscientific.
35:21Danjuro Ichikawa was told,
35:23Danjuro Ichikawa was told.
35:26Among the things inherited from his father,
35:30there is Kabuki No. 18.
35:34This is the 18th type of Kabuki performed by Ichikawa family.
35:40This script was kept in a box by the head of the family for generations.
35:46That's why it was called a box.
35:50That's how it started.
35:53You call it a box,
35:56but is there a physical box?
35:58Of course there is.
36:00When Ichikawa Danjuro Ichikawa founded Kabuki No. 18,
36:05there was a lot of talk about it.
36:07What was it made for?
36:09What kind of season was it?
36:11He took all that into consideration and put it in a box.
36:17But I don't think everyone knows there is a box.
36:22It's not out there.
36:24That's right.
36:25I thought there might be a box.
36:29It's kept in a box.
36:31That's why it's called a box.
36:33So it's not in the house?
36:35It's not in the house.
36:37If it's in the house, it's a big deal.
36:39It's not in the house?
36:40No, it's not.
36:41It's like a safe?
36:42That's right.
36:43It's like a safe.
36:44No one knows about it.
36:47Even my family doesn't know about it.
36:49But in the future, Shinnosuke will...
36:52I guess so.
36:54In Kabuki for 400 years,
36:56Danjuro plays Ichikawa Botan, his daughter.
37:00But in the world of Kabuki,
37:03only men still stand.
37:05That's a strong impression.
37:08What do you think of her?
37:11I think she's great.
37:13She keeps challenging Kabuki.
37:17Next week,
37:18Hollywood actor Ken Watanabe.
37:21His daughter, Anne, is also in Paris.
37:25This is the first time to watch the video.
37:34In this book,
37:36you can clearly see that
37:38there are actors with and without flowers.
37:41But what do you think about
37:43the fact that there are no flowers?
37:45I think there are two patterns,
37:47natural flowers and artificial flowers.
37:50Two patterns?
37:51Basically, I think it's 90% natural flowers.
37:55I've seen a few people
37:58who have natural flowers.
38:02Especially my seniors.
38:04If they come out,
38:06that's enough.
38:08Just come out.
38:10I see.
38:11You don't have to do anything.
38:13Do they come to see you?
38:15Yes.
38:16Kabuki actors who have reached that age
38:21are aware of that.
38:23That's why they have a sense of humor.
38:26That's great.
38:28What's interesting about Kabuki
38:30is that you can't do it when you're young.
38:32You can't do it well.
38:33There are beautiful flowers,
38:34gorgeous flowers,
38:35and cool flowers.
38:36But you don't have a sense of humor.
38:39You have a sense of humor with age.
38:41When you can do it,
38:43you can do it.
38:45It's a complicated relationship.
38:48I think that's what's interesting.
38:51What do you mean by increasing?
38:53I think you can increase.
38:56Temporarily.
38:57Temporarily.
38:58You can make it through that.
39:01So you were born with effort.
39:05I think I was born with it.
39:07I see.
39:08I think Danjuro is a person
39:12who can see the flowers
39:15when he's on stage.
39:19Danjuro Ichikawa's Kabuki
39:21is said to have the most flowers.
39:24He will be on stage in January.
39:28This is a copy of the famous
39:30classic Kabuki work
39:32that depicts the central village.
39:35Let's copy it.
39:40In January,
39:42you play four roles in the central village, right?
39:45Yes.
39:46I thought it would be nice
39:48to play four central roles.
39:51I thought it would be easier to understand
39:54if I played them.
39:56Four roles.
39:57With that in mind?
39:58Yes.
39:59I see.
40:01In this Kabuki,
40:03Danjuro plays Ichikawa Botan, his daughter.
40:07In the world of Kabuki,
40:09Shinobu Terajima and Takako Matsu
40:12are also on stage.
40:15But even now,
40:16only men are on stage.
40:18This is an old tradition.
40:22In the world of Kabuki,
40:24you play a young lady.
40:27I think it's easy for a son
40:29to see the direction.
40:31What do you think of the young lady?
40:34I think she's fine.
40:36She keeps challenging Kabuki.
40:39Of course, there are many people
40:41who say that.
40:42But for me,
40:44Kabuki is a part of Izumo.
40:47As you know,
40:48Kabuki started with women.
40:50Women couldn't be on stage
40:52because of the climate.
40:54That's why men and women
40:56who play women were born.
40:58In that sense,
40:59I've been trying to find a way
41:01to bring women on stage.
41:03My younger sister recommended it.
41:07She wanted to do it,
41:09but it was difficult because of the times.
41:12I think Takako was the same.
41:14But it was difficult.
41:16But now,
41:17we don't have to say that.
41:19It's getting better.
41:21She'll be on stage in January.
41:25Do you think it's hard to change?
41:27Yes, I do.
41:28It's hard to change many things.
41:30For example,
41:31I'm trying to make Kabuki
41:33as it is now.
41:35It wasn't easy.
41:37But now,
41:38it's getting better.
41:40It's hard to change many things.
41:42You didn't have it?
41:43No, I didn't.
41:44It's hard to do it
41:46on the 25th.
41:48I've been on stage
41:50from morning to night.
41:52There are many people
41:54who are exhausted mentally and physically.
41:56They can't go to the doctor
41:58or get drunk.
41:59They can't rest even if they catch a cold.
42:01Especially the seniors
42:03who have cancer
42:05in their lungs.
42:08Danjuro strongly believed
42:10that he should make money
42:12on the day of his rescue.
42:14It was a word from his father
42:16who had dedicated his life to Kabuki.
42:20Two months before his death,
42:22his father said this
42:24on the bed in the hospital room.
42:32Danjuro strongly believed
42:34that he should make money
42:36on the day of his rescue.
42:39My father was on the stage
42:41of Kabuki for 11 months
42:43out of 12 months.
42:45He loved Kabuki
42:47very much.
42:49He left for Japan
42:51on February 3, 2013.
42:53When I went to the hospital room
42:55in December 2012,
42:57he said this
43:01when we were alone.
43:03He said
43:07I should have learned
43:09how to rest.
43:11I see.
43:13He said that
43:15I should have imagined
43:17various things
43:19such as things like
43:21the meaning of life.
43:23I also felt that
43:25I should recognize
43:27what my life is.
43:29I see.
43:31I decided that
43:33Kabuki is important
43:35and I will do it for Kabuki.
43:37I had a saying
43:39that I should become
43:41who I want to be.
43:43I thought that if I didn't speak English, I wouldn't be able to make it interesting, so that's what I felt from my father's words.
43:51As a Kabuki actor Danjuro Ichikawa
43:57And as their father
44:01Become the person you want to be
44:06Is that the life he learned from his respected father and his beloved wife?
44:14Can you tell us what you value in your work?
44:19I've changed recently.
44:22It's a really simple word, but it's fun.
44:27I couldn't enjoy it before.
44:29What did you value before?
44:31Responsibility, responsibility.
44:35The power to do it all.
44:37I've been pushing myself to do that.
44:42But what changed after I became Danjuro
44:45Is that I can enjoy it now.
44:47Finally.
44:49That's why I value enjoying myself now.
44:53Enjoy life and forget about the bad things.
44:57This is the true value of Danjuro Ichikawa.