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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world in two days.
00:16So, which one are we going to start with today?
00:18This time, we are going to start with the book by Mr. Shobo Rokuichi in Jinbochou, Tokyo.
00:22Oh, Jinbochou.
00:23It's a nice place.
00:25It's like Jinbochou, right?
00:27This is a bookstore specializing in history and archaeology.
00:32They not only sell books, but also publish them.
00:35Publish them?
00:36That's rare.
00:37So, it's like a self-published book?
00:39That's right.
00:40So, a bookstore is built here?
00:41Yes.
00:42About 200,000 books are stored here.
00:45I see.
00:46They also sell stationery, hand-woven clothes, and tableware.
00:51I'm from Sakai, Osaka.
00:55I'm familiar with this place.
00:57It's called Zenpou Kouen-kun.
00:59What's on the right?
01:01On the right...
01:02There are a lot of those around Zenpou Kouen-kun.
01:09Isn't that a permanent badge?
01:11It's a permanent badge.
01:13Let's move on to the next one.
01:15Oh, nice.
01:16I can't get enough of this.
01:18That's true.
01:19This is cute.
01:20I think girls would like this too.
01:23It's nice.
01:24They don't make these goods.
01:28Instead, they sell what's left from the museum.
01:32What do you mean?
01:33They don't make these?
01:35No, they don't.
01:36They sell them?
01:38Of course, they sell them.
01:40They don't sell them at a high price.
01:41It's an interesting bookstore.
01:43I agree.
01:44It's interesting.
01:45Let's move on to this week's book.
01:47Oh, no.
01:48There's a connection.
01:50The story of a high school student being scared.
01:52Is this a self-published book?
01:54No, it's not.
01:56It's from a popular book store.
01:58Oh, it's from a popular book store.
01:59It's not from that book store.
02:01It's not from that book store.
02:02But it's related.
02:04It's a story of a high school student being scared while working or living abroad.
02:11I see.
02:12In our time, Sakuji Yoshimura was famous.
02:17I didn't know how much money he earned.
02:22I didn't know how he earned money.
02:27I didn't know if I could get money if I found something.
02:29I'm curious about many things.
02:31Let's move on to the next topic.
02:33I'm Kishinori Oshiro from Komazawa.
02:35Nice to meet you.
02:37Mr. Oshiro.
02:38I teach archaeology and history at Komazawa.
02:42I specialize in ancient Egyptian history.
02:45When you talk about archaeology, you think of Egypt, right?
02:48I don't think so.
02:49Egypt is a flower-shaped country.
02:52That's right.
02:53Many archaeologists around the world want to excavate Egypt.
02:56I see.
02:57Egypt has the most history.
03:00I think that's one of the reasons.
03:02It's easy to understand.
03:03There are pyramids, pyramids, and stonemasons.
03:07I see.
03:08Do you learn archaeology while teaching?
03:11Yes, I do.
03:12I excavate Egypt.
03:15Did you write this book with three people?
03:17Yes, I did.
03:18Did you write this book with three archaeologists?
03:21That's right.
03:22It's a great book.
03:26It's sold well.
03:27It's sold well.
03:30How did you get into Egypt?
03:33Well, there are many reasons.
03:36My father was a gold digger.
03:40He went to search for gold.
03:42You were on TV shows a lot at that time.
03:44Tokugawa Maizoukin.
03:45I'm from Osaka, Kanazawa, so I know more about the area around Toyotomi Hideyoshi than Tokugawa Maizoukin.
03:52Was there a gold digger in Toyotomi Hideyoshi?
03:54I was told there was one.
03:55If I found one, I wouldn't be here.
03:57I was told there was one.
03:59I was told to come here on weekends.
04:02I was taken to the mountain by car.
04:05Did you go to search for gold diggers?
04:07In a sense, yes.
04:08When I was in high school, I searched for places where I could be found.
04:11I went into a cave.
04:13With your parents?
04:14Just two of them.
04:16You were aiming for a gold digger.
04:18I was looking for a gold digger.
04:20Did you go dowsing?
04:22I didn't go dowsing.
04:23You didn't go dowsing.
04:24I didn't dig there.
04:25I searched for gold diggers and walked around.
04:28Have you ever found one?
04:29Of course not.
04:30I can't say that.
04:31You can't say that?
04:32You can't say that?
04:33I can't say that.
04:34You can't say that, right?
04:35That's the best way to escape.
04:37That's the best way to escape.
04:39You can't say that.
04:40You can't say that.
04:41It's like being chained.
04:43You can't say that when you're a rider.
04:46Did you go to university for that?
04:48Yes.
04:49I'm from Egypt.
04:50I went to a teacher in the Egyptian city.
04:52He was from Kansai University.
04:54There was a teacher from Egypt.
04:56Was he inferior to Mr. Yoshimura?
05:00No, it was the opposite.
05:01That's amazing.
05:02It was the opposite.
05:03That's amazing.
05:04You should have said that clearly.
05:05If he said that I couldn't.
05:06You were like a teacher.
05:08I said it clearly.
05:09You were like a teacher.
05:11Mr. Yoshimura is like an icon.
05:14That's right.
05:15He's an icon, I'll say it clearly.
05:18He's an icon, an overwhelming icon.
05:19He saved us.
05:21We were able to get a job because he was there.
05:23The job of a teacher became famous.
05:26We thank you especially for Egypt.
05:27Even now.
05:28We met in May of this year.
05:30He is still active and doing his best.
05:32He is different from before.
05:34My sensei is a very knowledgeable person.
05:36Yes, yes, yes.
05:38No, no, no. It's hard to talk about.
05:40Well, well, well. We're not acquaintances, so it's fine.
05:42So, what kind of job do most people get from there?
05:46In Japan, you get a job at a cultural heritage center.
05:50Cultural heritage? What?
05:51A cultural heritage center.
05:52A cultural heritage center?
05:53There are a lot of cultural heritage centers in Shichoso, Japan.
05:55Oh, I see.
05:56If you excavate it, you'll find it.
05:58Oh, it's a research center, right?
05:59It's both a research center and an excavation center.
06:01So that's your job?
06:02It is.
06:03Most people get a job at a cultural heritage center.
06:05We don't have a job in Egypt.
06:07Oh, really?
06:08If it's something related to Japan, we do.
06:10If you want to get a job, you need to be able to read and write.
06:13You don't need to be able to read and write in Egypt.
06:16Oh, I see. You don't have an Egyptian document.
06:18No, we don't. It doesn't come out.
06:19So what do you do?
06:20You have to go to college.
06:22Oh, so you go to the U.S.A.L. side.
06:24That's right.
06:25It's a very small country, but it's very lucrative.
06:29You've been to Egypt many times.
06:31Yes, I have.
06:32Do you get your money from college?
06:34It depends. I don't get a lot of money from college.
06:36I get money from the government.
06:38In the case of the U.S.A.L., there's a lot of TV and media.
06:41So I got a lot of money from that.
06:43It was a good time.
06:44Oh, I see. The TV was pretty rich.
06:46It was the bubble era.
06:47It was a good time to go to Egypt.
06:49No, it wasn't.
06:50It wasn't?
06:51Yes.
06:52It was quite difficult.
06:54Do you make a lot of money?
06:55I don't make a lot of money.
06:56You don't?
06:59I don't make a lot of money.
07:01I'm just a salaryman.
07:04That's how much I get paid.
07:06And I have a lot of money.
07:08I have a lot of books.
07:10It's a good thing.
07:12It's a good thing.
07:14By the way, how many books do you have?
07:16I have about 20 books.
07:19What?
07:20That's amazing.
07:21I have about 10 books.
07:23You don't make a lot of money.
07:25You're desperate.
07:26You don't publish books.
07:28That's right.
07:29I only have 30,000 yen from my wife.
07:33I don't know.
07:34I don't know.
07:35I don't know.
07:36How can I appeal to my wife?
07:38How can I appeal to my wife?
07:40All high school students are like that.
07:42That's right.
07:43That's why I have to work part-time.
07:45You don't have to work part-time.
07:48You don't have to work part-time for high school.
07:51That's how hard it is.
07:53How many times have you been to Egypt?
07:56I don't know. Maybe 20 or 30 times.
07:58That's amazing.
07:59You take good pictures around the pyramids.
08:03But there's a McDonald's right next to it.
08:05Yes, there is.
08:08It's a tourist attraction.
08:09It's a tourist attraction.
08:10It's less than 100 meters from Sphinx.
08:12It's already like that.
08:14For people who take pictures of Egypt,
08:16pyramids and Sphinx are not a big deal, right?
08:19No, there is pride.
08:21It's our culture.
08:23It's absolutely there.
08:24I don't know.
08:25It's there, but you don't have to go to McDonald's or the police station.
08:29That's right.
08:30The pyramids are separated by a wall.
08:33It's outside the wall.
08:35There's no stall inside.
08:37It's outside.
08:39I see.
08:41It's a theme park.
08:43Do you have a theme every time you go there?
08:46Like, I'm going to look into this.
08:47Of course.
08:48Which one was the most interesting?
08:50It's interesting to explore.
08:52There are a lot of things.
08:54Can I touch it?
08:56If you have permission.
08:57Where can I get permission?
08:58You can get permission from Egypt's police station.
09:02And you can get permission from the army.
09:04You can't dig it unless you have these three.
09:06I see.
09:07It's hard.
09:08You have to have a clear background.
09:09That's right.
09:10That's why the university professors are strong.
09:12They teach you.
09:13Because they know it well.
09:14They have a clear background.
09:15Speaking of pyramids,
09:18many high school students go there.
09:20They look into many things.
09:22What do they do?
09:24They don't come out anymore.
09:25They don't say,
09:26it's okay.
09:27They haven't dug it yet.
09:28What?
09:29They haven't dug it yet.
09:30I see.
09:31About 70% of them don't know.
09:32Only 30% of them don't know.
09:34Why is that?
09:35Why?
09:36It's better to do it right away.
09:38It costs money.
09:39I see.
09:40It's not that easy.
09:41For example,
09:42if you clean a grave,
09:44it costs about 5 million yen.
09:46What?
09:47It's a lot of sand.
09:49That's where you start.
09:51So you haven't found it yet?
09:53Not yet.
09:54I see.
09:55Because Egypt is full of ruins.
09:57I see.
09:58If you think about it,
09:59there are no pyramids.
10:00How many pyramids do we have?
10:04About 90.
10:05I see.
10:06They are different in size.
10:08Some of them don't have the top part.
10:10Did you dig it yourself?
10:12Yes, I did.
10:13Did you discover it?
10:16I did, but I can't tell you.
10:17Why?
10:18Because I don't have a factory.
10:19What?
10:20I don't have a factory.
10:21You don't have one yet?
10:22No, I don't.
10:23Why not?
10:24I don't have time.
10:25You don't have time?
10:26I'm busy.
10:27I usually have classes.
10:29I have 10 classes a week.
10:31Oh, you're busy.
10:32And my biggest title is
10:35the president of the soccer club in Komazawa.
10:37What?
10:38Soccer club?
10:39I'm the president of the soccer club.
10:40No way.
10:41I'm very busy.
10:42The president is...
10:43The president is...
10:44The president is...
10:45When people gather,
10:46he just says a lot of things.
10:48He says good things.
10:49He says,
10:50good luck,
10:51you won,
10:52you lost,
10:53comfort them.
10:54That's what he does.
10:55You shouldn't leave it to someone else.
10:58No, no.
10:59He's a very strict person.
11:01He's the president of the soccer club.
11:03The president of the soccer club?
11:05He's just strict.
11:06Does he have a manager?
11:08No, he doesn't.
11:09He just goes out.
11:10Does that mean there are some things he can't say?
11:14He's busy, that's all.
11:16No, no.
11:18I wish he called the other two.
11:21They're not the president, right?
11:23He's not the president.
11:25The president of the soccer club is...
11:27The president of the soccer club is...
11:30The title is supposed to be a scary title.
11:34In a way,
11:35the title is scary.
11:37But he's alive.
11:39I want to hear that story.
11:41A scary story.
11:42Please do.
11:43He's alive.
11:44There are a lot of stories.
11:46I've heard of it.
11:47The story of the three brothers.
11:50Is it scary?
11:51It's not that scary.
11:53What do you mean?
11:55You shouldn't publish a book that's not scary.
11:57With this title.
11:58The story of the three brothers.
12:00Are you going to do that?
12:01Yes.
12:02Which one are you going to do?
12:04I don't care which one.
12:07You can't even deliver that luggage.
12:11It's just an airport trouble.
12:13That's not true.
12:15That's not true.
12:16The story of the three brothers.
12:19This is a story about national security.
12:21I did some research on this.
12:23When I was young,
12:25I found this.
12:27I found this in a grave in the basement.
12:29This is the image.
12:31This is the image.
12:33I can't show this.
12:35This is the image.
12:36The image is full of dead bodies.
12:39I found this in this place.
12:41I found this in a grave in the basement.
12:44This is the image.
12:46I found this in a grave in the basement.
12:49Human bones were found.
12:51White parts were found.
12:52Is that normal?
12:54Because it's in a grave.
12:55I don't want people to find this.
12:56It's a pain.
12:58It's a pain.
12:59I have to take it out.
13:00I have to take it out.
13:02You have to take responsibility for that.
13:04No, no, no.
13:06It's not a big deal.
13:08In the beginning, it's a big deal.
13:10In the beginning, if you keep doing it...
13:12If you keep doing it for a long time,
13:14you'll be a human skeleton.
13:16You're doing it while thinking,
13:18don't come out.
13:20What if you become a human skeleton?
13:22It's annoying.
13:24You can't do that.
13:26You can't do that as a parent.
13:28Kenji can't do that.
13:30And the human skeleton came out.
13:32So I was doing it.
13:34I dug it out just right.
13:36And I thought,
13:38and I saw it again.
13:40It's white again.
13:42I dug a little further and it came out again.
13:44Three beautiful things came out.
13:46It's rare to see three of them.
13:48It's rare to see three of them.
13:50It's rare.
13:52It's like the neck and the torso are apart.
13:54In ancient times,
13:56I don't know much about it,
13:58but they cut their necks to eat it.
14:00Oh, that's right.
14:02I was wondering if it was something like that.
14:04I was wondering if it was something like that.
14:06I went home as a loan on that day.
14:08I went home as a loan on that day.
14:10I had a dream at night.
14:12It was a battle scene.
14:14Everyone was fighting.
14:16It's like a war.
14:18It's like a war.
14:20People come running from there.
14:22I'm watching it.
14:24I'm watching it.
14:26I was about to get killed.
14:28The guy chasing me from behind
14:30was a Roman soldier.
14:32I was about to get beheaded.
14:34Your teacher?
14:36Right in front of you.
14:38I fell down and woke up.
14:40You don't hate me, do you?
14:42Let's hear it again.
14:44It's a scary dream story.
14:46You're dead.
14:48That's it?
14:50I just woke up.
14:52How did you know it was the Three Brothers?
14:54Three of us woke up.
14:56In your dream?
14:58Three of us were killed.
15:00I thought
15:02there was a possibility.
15:04Why don't you call
15:06the other two?
15:08One of them
15:10might not be in Japan right now.
15:12You're the only one
15:14who's free today.
15:16I'm the only one?
15:18You're not wrong.
15:20It's a big deal.
15:22The Three Brothers
15:24One of my friends
15:26runs a ham company.
15:28It's a Japanese company.
15:30He runs a ham company.
15:32He sends me
15:34a slice of ham or sausage.
15:36I was a college student.
15:38When I went overseas,
15:40he sent me
15:42a big cardboard box
15:44with a slice of ham or sausage.
15:46But...
15:48I didn't get it.
15:50This has nothing to do with it.
15:54What kind of high school is this?
15:58You didn't think it was ham, did you?
16:00You didn't get your package.
16:02Why didn't you get it?
16:04It happens a lot.
16:06You can open it.
16:08A lot of things can be opened
16:10and you can't get it.
16:12But at that time,
16:14I got it a year later.
16:16A year later.
16:18Sensei!
16:20I don't think this will sell.
16:22It sold a lot.
16:28Toilet
16:30Is this a toilet?
16:32Ancient Egyptian toilet.
16:34This is a recent toilet.
16:36A recent Egyptian toilet.
16:38It's like a private toilet.
16:40We flush the toilet.
16:42But in Egypt and other countries,
16:44they don't flush the toilet.
16:46When I flushed it,
16:48it was in the basket next to me.
16:50I forgot to flush it.
16:52So I flushed it.
16:54The hotel was full of water.
16:56It's an erotic story, isn't it?
16:58No, not now.
17:00I'm sorry, Sensei.
17:02The smell at that time
17:04was like the smell of a new mirror.
17:06I can feel it.
17:08You put your poop and mirror on top of each other.
17:10It's just the smell of sewage.
17:12This is what's written in the book.
17:14I see.
17:18I see.
17:20Do you want to go to the sea?
17:22You still have time.
17:24You still have time.
17:30How much does it cost
17:32for you to go to the sea
17:34for three months?
17:36Basically,
17:38it costs about 500,000 yen
17:40for one person
17:42It's easy to eat.
17:44I don't go sightseeing.
17:46The hotel is not that expensive.
17:48It's like that.
17:50In your case,
17:52you graduated from university.
17:54Don't you find something after you go?
17:56Of course, I do.
17:58Do you feel the pressure?
18:00I'm looking forward to it.
18:02I don't feel any pressure.
18:04I can't help it.
18:06I'm just looking forward to it.
18:08I see.
18:10Did you find anything
18:12after you went to the sea?
18:14Yes, I did.
18:16Did you find anything after three months?
18:18I didn't find anything
18:20after three months.
18:22According to the Italian research,
18:24there are gates
18:26in that place
18:28for 2,000 years.
18:30In ancient cities,
18:32they built walls and gates.
18:34One of the gates is
18:36not discovered yet.
18:38I thought I could find something
18:40if I dug it.
18:42I dug it for 10 years.
18:44But I couldn't find anything.
18:46What?
18:48I still don't know why.
18:50What did you say
18:52when you couldn't find anything?
18:54I'm glad I couldn't find anything.
18:56I'm glad I couldn't find anything.
18:58You found something.
19:00I see.
19:02Everyone thought there was something
19:04but there wasn't anything.
19:06It was a nuisance.
19:08It was a nuisance.
19:10But I'm glad I couldn't find anything.
19:12What do you mean you couldn't find anything?
19:14You couldn't find anything.
19:16It was a big discovery.
19:18If we had this mindset,
19:20we could become archaeologists.
19:22Let's go look for
19:24Tokugawa's buried gold.
19:26He said it's here.
19:28I couldn't find it.
19:30Everyone, it's not here.
19:32It's a great job.
19:34You're looking for something that doesn't exist.
19:36Even if it doesn't exist,
19:38you can feel accomplished.
19:40It's my first time.
19:42We, who were watching Sensei,
19:44thought it was a bit random.
19:46It's not random.
19:48Is there such a thing as archaeology?
19:50It's just me.
19:52Ask someone else.
19:54Ask someone else.
19:56Ask someone else.
19:58What do you want to tell in this book?
20:00What do you want to tell in this book?
20:02It's hard.
20:04You want me to read it, right?
20:06Of course.
20:08I want young people to read it.
20:10People who are lost.
20:12I want them to think about it.
20:14Archaeology exists as a subject.
20:16It's okay even if it doesn't appear.
20:20That's a good idea.
20:22That's a good idea.
20:24It's okay even if it doesn't appear.
20:26That's a good idea.
20:28That's a good idea.
20:30That's a good idea.
20:32We are investigating.
20:34That's what it is.
20:36We are not talk stars,
20:38or treasure hunters.
20:40We want them to know that.
20:42We want them to know the truth.
20:44We want them to know the truth.
20:46That's what archaeology is.
20:48That's what archaeology is.
20:50After listening to Sensei,
20:52I thought of this book.
20:54There are 246 pages in this book.
20:56Please skip the 82th page.
20:58Please skip the 82th page.
21:02That's Sensei's part.
21:04That's Morita's part.
21:06I heard that you were a great teacher.
21:08I heard that you were a great teacher.
21:10But I didn't have that.
21:12But I didn't have that.
21:14It's okay if you know that.
21:16It's okay if you know that.
21:18It's okay if you know that.
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