👉 El senador argentino entrerriano intentaba ingresar con 200 mil dólares y una suma no especificada de pesos argentinos. La detención ocurrió en el Puente de la Amistad y ha generado un impacto significativo en su partido político, La Libertad Avanza. Actualmente se está investigando si Judiero infringió alguna ley al intentar cruzar la frontera con tal cantidad de dinero. Dialogamos con el periodista en Ciudad del este, Edgar Medina.
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00:00Javi is still detained, and let's make it clear that he is not a senator for Libertad Avanza.
00:04We are going to tell you a little bit about his political profile, but there is a lot ahead, a lot to clarify.
00:12This has just happened, details have just been made known.
00:16In a minute we are going to have more repercussions. Javi, how are you? Good afternoon.
00:20Good afternoon, Facundo. Yes, exactly.
00:23Well, today we knew this information. He was detained for what is the AFIP there in Paraguay.
00:31The senator with that figure, 200,000 dollars and also Argentine pesos that he had in his power.
00:40And obviously he is going to have to give some kind of explanation, not only to the Paraguayans, Senator Cuéllar,
00:47but also to Argentina, because leaving our country, he can't do it with more than 10,000 dollars.
00:54So there is an infraction, also in some way customs.
00:59I don't know how this will be discussed, because we will have to analyze how he left the Argentine Republic
01:07without anyone checking it, and without anyone finding the 200,000 dollars that the Paraguayans found.
01:13We will talk about this later, Winokur, how are you? Good afternoon.
01:16I will open with this topic and in a moment I will be mimicking the time, that he is not a senator of the AFIP.
01:21Sure, what the first information says is that he said he was an official senator.
01:27That's why Paraguayan colleagues confuse that.
01:29Sure, when he declares, he says, well, no, I'm not here in this situation, I'm a senator, treat me with respect, I'm an official senator.
01:38It is true that Cuéllar is an ally of La Libertad Avanza in the Senate,
01:45and that there are conversations between Cuéllar and the government to see if he takes the leap from the next elections.
01:53But it is still something incipient.
01:55His parliamentary performance at a time this year, right?
01:58At many times, in the Basic Law, there were several votes where both he and the rest of his bloc were keys
02:06that the government either has some victory or does not suffer any defeat.
02:11He is a senator who is Peronista, from Entre Ríos, he assembled his own bloc together with Cordobeses,
02:18with Senator Vigo and with Senator Espínola de Corrientes,
02:23in disconformity with certain managements that were having Union por la Patria when they were an official,
02:28and now they maintain an independence, but allies of the government.
02:33I'm going to go with Edgar Medina, colleague of Ciudad del Este.
02:36He is exactly in the place where the procedure was.
02:40We will have more details there, practically live coverage.
02:44Edgar, Facundo Pastor in A24, how are you?
02:49Good afternoon, dear colleagues, and to the audience too.
02:52Good. Edgar, tell us what you came to see, where are you at the moment.
02:58And we are trying to reveal this mystery too,
03:03because from that hearing held this morning,
03:06from around 1.30 p.m. here on the bridge, in the middle of the primary area of Havana,
03:13the authorities were silent.
03:15Until now we have not yet obtained the official version of the representative of the public ministry,
03:21which is the prosecutor Edgar Benitez, in charge of the investigation of this case.
03:26Of course.
03:28Of course.
03:29We only have access to the data provided by the Department of the fight against the economic elite of the National Police,
03:36and at least apparently, probably some institutional policy of the government,
03:45the authorities are not giving details on the subject.
03:49Of course.
03:51Edgar.
04:03Edgar, what is not clear is, can you say that he is detained, he is delayed?
04:07Where is he at the moment?
04:17Of course, what happens here ...
04:19No.
04:25The issue is that ...
04:30Edgar, I do not know exactly how it will be there in Paraguay,
04:34but I think it must be considered as a customs infraction, the smuggling is that.
04:49Yes.
04:57Of course.
05:03Of course.
05:05Of course.
05:26Edgar.
05:30Edgar.
05:35Of course.
05:41Of course.
05:54Okay.
06:05Of course.
06:16Of course.
06:24Of course.
06:28Yes, yes.
06:29Brazil and Paraguay.
06:33Of course, there it is.
06:36That is to say, one assumes that the Argentine senator crossed the Tancredo Neves to then take the Bridge of Friendship, right?
06:48Of course.
06:50And now Edgar, he had the money in the car, he had it on him, he had it in a bag, he had it in a backpack, what do you know about that detail?
07:11No, no, excuse me, Edgar, but I did not understand you, that he had it where?
07:14Yes.
07:19Ah, the vehicle's cabin, but he had it hidden.
07:36Of course, of course. Edgar, a big hug, thank you for these minutes.
07:41At your service.
07:43See you soon.
07:44Let's move on to clean up, let's move on to clean up some data.
07:46There are some things that are news in development.
07:48Of course.
07:49What Edgar explains is that although it was already released, that the customs is no longer retained in migrations, but it is in a hotel with police custody.
08:00That is the information we had so far, that they had released it, but that it is being guarded so that it can give explanations.
08:08There they are telling me, let's see, from Paraguay, they tell me, attention, because here, they tell me, Paraguay, as it does not have a justificationary backing of the money it transports.
08:22There is no way to explain it.
08:23Well, one cause is smuggling, which is what we just mentioned.
08:27A criminal offense, a customs infraction.
08:29Yes.
08:30There.
08:31And here too.
08:32Here too.
08:33And here too.
08:35But attention is added to this, the possible laundering of assets is added.
08:41Be careful with this figure.
08:44If this is given to him, because he cannot back up where he took the money and where that money was going either.
08:51In the Paraguayan customs control, what they saw is that inside the vehicle, I don't know if it was in the cabin or in the trunk or hidden in a panel.
09:03Whatever it is, but it was inside the car.
09:05They saw a bag and asked what it was.
09:09And he told them, they are dollars.
09:11He did not deny it.
09:13When they opened it, they found this figure.
09:16Two hundred thousand dollars.
09:20Exactly the figure, here I have it.
09:23Two hundred and eleven thousand, one hundred and two dollars.
09:26Six hundred and forty-six thousand pesos.
09:29And three million nine hundred thousand Guaraníes.
09:32Something like four hundred and ninety dollars.
09:36Javi, say hello to Diego Martínez, head of America, Paraguay.
09:40Dear Diego, how are you?
09:41How are you?
09:42Paco, the pleasure of greeting you.
09:44Good afternoon to the audience.
09:47From Asunción, which is basically three hundred and thirty kilometers from Ciudad del Este, where today is the epicenter of the news.
09:54We have to receive the information that comes directly from the National Tax Administration on the news of the moment.
10:02Because to what you were already commenting, I want to quote three probable scenarios.
10:08The first, and always taking into account the hypothesis that the amount that you were already mentioning was not declared.
10:16The first case that would remain on this money would be declared in the character of smuggling.
10:24One, two, the vehicle that Chevrolet is using would be detained.
10:32And in case the documentation does not support this vehicle, even in the future, after a trial, it could be fined.
10:42Both the money and the vehicle would be in the hands of Paraguayan justice.
10:47And finally, the third scenario, which was already mentioned by another member of the table,
10:52is that eventually the figure of smuggling of this amount of money would be referred to as an asset laundering.
11:00There it is. Well, then a safe figure, which is smuggling.
11:05How are you, Diego? Javier Diaz greets you.
11:07And the other possible figure, because that will be analyzed, is asset laundering.
11:14Which is an internationally sought-after figure, let's say, within governments, to avoid asset laundering.
11:25As is. And I want to tell you that several institutions are already involved.
11:29Because you, well, I just want to review what you were already commenting.
11:32Almost at one in the morning, when Mr. Oscar Orue, who is the national director of tax returns, receives the information
11:40that we are talking about a parliamentarian involved in this, since he was also accompanied by another person.
11:46Although that data is still basically not being shared here, because the most important figure,
11:50we are talking about an Argentinean parliamentarian who has offices in Argentina.
11:54But what is evaluated from the Paraguayan jurisdiction is what is the weight that he can have as a citizen,
12:01being a senator of the nation, but in Paraguayan territory.
12:05You were already telling, he is free, but in a hotel.
12:09To determine what is the case that could judicially trample on this parliamentarian,
12:16if he is detained later in an eventual trial.
12:19That will be determined in a while by the Paraguayan prosecutor, Edgar Benitez,
12:23who is from Unit No. 2, anti smuggling.
12:27Let's see, Diego, it is very interesting how you tell it, the info that you handle and that they have there.
12:33Clearly, of course, Cuéllar does not have outposts in Paraguay.
12:37The outposts have to do with Argentine legislation.
12:40Now, what is going to happen in the next few hours?
12:43Is he technically detained? Is he delayed? What do you know?
12:49We are looking for that concept because the appointment with the parliamentarian here in Paraguay
12:55was between 9 and 10 in the morning.
12:58We still have no news because obviously the prosecution has not shared it,
13:03understanding the seriousness or the notoriety of the case.
13:07Let's see, with all due respect, we are talking about a senator of the Argentine nation,
13:11a people that we love very much and respect, of course.
13:14And that data, in terms of the concept of whether he is detained,
13:18we probably still do not have it because what is being analyzed is the famous immunity
13:24in the case of him for being a parliamentarian.
13:26Out there, one can say that he has a kind of domiciliary prison.
13:29I am using a common street term because if he is kept in a hotel,
13:34since he does not have a home in Paraguay,
13:37probably to safeguard the process, he is in a city hotel in the east,
13:42which is close, which borders Brazil, next to Foz do Iguazú.
13:46And I want to tell you something else, Paco, and other members,
13:49which I think will gain more notoriety. Why?
13:52Because Mr. Oscar Oruec, who is the national director of this agency,
13:56has already contacted the Argentine ambassador in Paraguay, Mr. Nielsen.
14:03It does not end there. And it seems to me even strong, the other fact,
14:06not concluding this link that can be given between what is the national director
14:11plus the ambassador, he also called the Paraguayan chancellor,
14:15we are talking about Rubén Ramírez Mezcano,
14:18so that you can notice a little how also from Paraguay this news can be given space.
14:22Now I leave you, Pablo. Tell me, Diego, who is Oruec,
14:27because I want to put out a statement that he made regarding this story.
14:31Tell me that. Let's see who it is.
14:33Yes. When we speak from Paraguay, Oscar Oruec is the ex-Vice Minister of Taxation
14:39who disappeared with this government, which was part of what you call the Ministry of Economy,
14:45it was called the Ministry of Finance.
14:47When this ministry is closed, he goes on to occupy a position of greater weight,
14:51of greater independence, which is called the National Direction of Taxation,
14:55which is a fusion that he had between the Ministry of Taxation and Paraguayan customs.
15:00That is why in Paraguay we basically no longer call it customs,
15:03we call it the National Direction of Taxation.
15:05It is the most important name in terms of taxation.
15:07Diego, let me hear it, Oruec,
15:09because the production has recorded an audio of this man,
15:14giving account of this that Diego was just telling with a lot of precision.
15:22Our colleague Diego Martínez, head of press in America, Paraguay.
15:26Don't go Diego, I'm listening to Oruec, let's see.
15:28Yes, in a routine check yesterday,
15:33today at 12.40 at night approximately,
15:39at dawn, the personnel of NIP
15:42carried out a routine check at the International Bridge of Friendship
15:47that connects Paraguay and Brazil
15:50and a vehicle was verified that was entering Paraguayan territory.
15:56The vehicle was opened and some packages were found.
16:04They asked the person, the person reported that he brought dollars,
16:10those dollars were not declared.
16:12We are talking about more than 200,000 dollars and also more than 600,000 Argentine pesos.
16:19And well, the procedure was carried out,
16:21it was communicated to the intervening prosecutor and he is at the disposal of the prosecutor.
16:26I understand that he identified himself as a senator of the Argentine nation.
16:32Dr. Oruec, and this person was released?
16:37The prosecutor was arrested at his hotel, at the hotel,
16:41and well, today he has to declare,
16:43I understand that this morning there was no call to declare.
16:46If the procedure of the office and the legal importation was not carried out,
16:50the product will not be returned to him and he will not be able to pay anything either.
16:55An administrative summary is made and there the responsibility is determined.
16:59In most cases we are determining smuggling and the vehicle is seized.
17:06So that is the procedure we are operating.
17:10Now, in this case, we have already informed the Public Ministry
17:14and well, the Public Ministry also in its response will act as a consequence.
17:19In parallel, we are going to open an administrative summary
17:22to be able to determine the responsibility as well,
17:25but that money is already totally seized.
17:28For now, what we are going to do,
17:30today the administrative summary is being opened
17:32to be able to determine,
17:34as I told you, he will have the right to defend himself in the area of money,
17:37in such a way as to be able to determine
17:39if we are smuggling that money.
17:43As it happened, at the time of the procedure,
17:48the gentleman practically did not collaborate in the sense of informing
17:53what it was, why he brought it, for what purpose, right?
17:57So, well, that is going to be determined in an administrative summary.
18:01I don't want to give a tip,
18:04because in the end, as a national director,
18:08in the case of papers, I have the last decision, right?
18:11So I have to read all the files, I have to see,
18:14I also have to see all the actions,
18:16in such a way as to be able to determine what is going to happen in this case.
18:19But, as I told you, we are going to comply with what the law establishes.
18:23For being a senator of the Argentine nation,
18:26does he have a different treatment, a special treatment,
18:28or the treatment that is given to him is like any other person who has violated the law?
18:32We made him aware of the ambassador.
18:35Personally, I communicated with the Argentine ambassador in Paraguay
18:39and he made him aware of the situation,
18:41but this is already a situation that is directly under the public ministry, right?
18:45Because he is going to order whether he is stopped or not,
18:49whether the procedures are fulfilled or not,
18:51in the field of whether he has immunity or not, right?
18:54This is already going to be determined by the prosecution.
18:56And what did the Argentine embassy say about this?
18:59And he did not ask for a report on what happened.
19:04Well, so far what Orue Diego said, right?
19:09And obviously, let's replicate that there is already diplomatic intervention regarding this issue.
19:15Let me pass you a fact, Paco.
19:18It is likely that in the next few hours Mr. Guillermo Nielsen,
19:25Argentine ambassador, will be summoned before the Paraguayan Chancellery,
19:28because it is, I repeat, an Argentine parliamentarian.
19:31Because what is the usual procedure that is given in Paraguay?
19:34The detention can only be up to 6 hours,
19:38unless a prosecution, which is the one in charge of these cases of imputations,
19:44is eventually given, it is extended to a longer time.
19:48But if there is no evidence, if there is no evidence,
19:52an argument, everyone in Paraguayan territory cannot be more than 6 hours
19:58Diego, the fundamental issue here, as in any judicial process,
20:05is the act of defense of this person.
20:08We are talking about the Argentine senator,
20:10because he will have to testify before the judge or the prosecutor in this case,
20:13and they will ask him, if he wants to count,
20:16for what he was going to allocate all this money,
20:19and also, why he did not testify.
20:22Now, when they ask him why he did not testify,
20:26there he will be in a trap,
20:28because Argentina allows up to 10,000 dollars per person.
20:33And he took out 200,000 plus 600,000 pesos, 6 million pesos.
20:40In any case, there he will have problems with Argentine justice.
20:43The two things.
20:44Now what he should need is to get out of the situation of being in another country,
20:49detained, and we have to see if he achieves any legal process to get out of there at least.
20:54Yes, Pablo, but I think Diego was clear there.
20:57The fueros are not for Paraguay.
21:00No, no, no, that is very clear.
21:01They are for Argentina.
21:02If he commits a crime in another country, well ...
21:06Sure, but part of the crime is that he is entering with those dollars without declaring,
21:11we have to see if he can justify them or not.
21:14Because in case he can justify it, he can say,
21:16Argentine gentlemen, show that I took out 200,000 dollars from the bank yesterday,
21:21and yes, I entered illegally.
21:23In that case, it will be a minor penalty than if you can not justify the funds.
21:29Yes, it would be an asset laundering, but it would be a smuggling.
21:32But it is a minor penalty.
21:34It's okay.
21:35We have to see how Paraguayan legislation is.
21:37Because when you go through all the customs, normally,
21:40they ask you, sir, good afternoon, good evening.
21:43Does it bring money?
21:44Does it bring food?
21:46Does it bring explosives?
21:47Does it bring any dangerous product?
21:49Does it bring animals?
21:50Does it bring money?
21:53And that, among all these questions, there has to be an answer.
21:58And all of them must have said no.
22:00Sure.
22:01And the customs officer, what he must have seen,
22:03please show me the trunk, the compartment, when it comes in a bag, like a bag.
22:08Sure.
22:09What does it bring there?
22:10Dollars.
22:11I can not deny it, Javi, this is the reality.
22:12That's why.
22:13I don't know if the Argentine Senate is going to expel on the subject, right?
22:16No sessions are planned, in fact, the ordinary period is over.
22:19There is no possibility for the Senate to meet to talk about this issue,
22:24or any other issue.
22:26He is a senator detained in Paraguay.
22:28The messages can come from the vice-presidency of Victoria Villarroel,
22:33or from the block that integrates.
22:35There can not be a meeting today in the Senate to discuss this issue.
22:38Give me, Pablo, a political profile of Cuéider.
22:41Is he an entrepreneur?
22:42Cuéider is a man, a political leader,
22:45he was originally very close to Gustavo Bordet, the former governor of Entre Ríos,
22:50he came to the Senate from his hand,
22:52and as the management of Union por la Patria was advancing,
22:56he was distancing himself first from Alberto Fernández, from Cristina Kirchner,
23:00very confronted, or feeling, denouncing a mistreatment by the government
23:06to the senators of the provinces.
23:09He fought with Bordet too,
23:11and at this moment he is looking for a place in politics.
23:14He spoke that he could be the candidate for freedom of advance,
23:17in Entre Ríos, against Frigero.
23:20Of course, Macri.
23:22Frigero is Macri.
23:24And he was a key senator throughout this year,
23:26in the weakness that the government has in the Senate, he was a key senator.
23:30He voted in favor of the Basic Law,
23:32but at the time, and here it is a fact of context to take into account,
23:35that we also told Diego, that we have already recovered the link with Paraguay,
23:39we are live there in Asunción with Diego Martínez,
23:42the press chief of America-Paraguay,
23:45but at a certain moment, Cuéllar himself
23:48was almost a candidate to handle the bicameral of...
23:54Intelligence.
23:55Intelligence, right?
23:56Intelligence.
23:57A fact to take into account.
23:59Of course.
24:00That is, of the control of the role of the spies in Argentina.
24:02Yes, let's say, when the commissions were divided...
24:05That remained in the hands of the Ustó.
24:06Yes, when the commissions were divided in the Senate,
24:08they gave some places to the moderate opposition.
24:11One was the presidency of the Commission of Constitutional Affairs,
24:13which is key in the management of the Senate,
24:16Cuéllar also has it,
24:18and it was evaluated at some point
24:20that it is the one that leads the bicameral commission
24:24of monitoring of intelligence agencies,
24:26which is key, especially for Santiago Caputo.
24:28This did not prosper because of an agreement
24:31that there was between radicalism and Kirchnerism,
24:34finally it was the Ustó.
24:35Diego, let's see, let's recover a little
24:37all that timeline you told about the diplomatic issue.
24:41Let's emphasize there,
24:43because the information you gave is very important.
24:45Yes, in fact, we are doing several consultations
24:48behind our press team,
24:50both to the National Board of Tributaries
24:52or even to Prosecutor Edgar Benítez,
24:55who, if he did not conclude the appointment
24:58with this Argentine parliamentarian
25:00to make known his freedom of will,
25:03finally the Argentine justice,
25:06if he remains detained
25:09with any eventual imputation,
25:11is exposed, at least, I insist on this detail,
25:14at least if it is processed in Paraguay,
25:16when it comes to a crime of smuggling,
25:18the penalty expectation in a trial,
25:21if it were given at least in Paraguay,
25:23can reach 15 years.
25:25If it is a case of asset laundering,
25:28it can reach 25 years.
25:30I don't know if we have reached this level.
25:32I try to put the probable scenarios,
25:34if it is a foreign person
25:36processed in Paraguay,
25:38because, I reiterate,
25:39smuggling is in Argentina, not in Paraguay.
25:41As a consequence, what is next?
25:43If he is eventually in a judicial process in Paraguay,
25:46he must have a lawyer,
25:48a lawyer to look for this arrangement,
25:50which will surely be a hotel,
25:51as we are doing at the moment.
25:53Diego, I understand, obviously,
25:54that you don't have smugglers in Paraguay.
25:56The question is, what is the scope of this crime
25:58that he is committing or would be committing?
26:00One thing is simply smuggling
26:02and another thing is the presumption
26:04that there is money laundering
26:06or some other issue,
26:07if he cannot determine the origin of the funds.
26:10I wanted to ask you if you knew,
26:11for the Paraguayan legislation,
26:13if there is any difference between these two issues
26:16or if there is any nuance
26:17by which he can be released,
26:19be extradited to Argentina
26:21and, in any case,
26:22continue another process here.
26:24Maybe.
26:25And the debate will be
26:26if the crime was committed in Argentina
26:28and, suddenly,
26:29if the crime was committed in Paraguay.
26:34In Paraguay,
26:35we have a differentiation
26:36in what he does to smugglers,
26:38but it is usually like the door
26:40to the money laundering.
26:43That is why there is a difference
26:44in the process
26:45in terms of the penalty charge.
26:47Good, good.
26:49It is clear that, Diego,
26:51with the reconstruction
26:52that cannot be done by law,
26:53Cuéllar did not deny what he had.
26:56With which we will see
26:57if in the next few hours
26:58he can deploy a strategy
27:00to, as Javier said,
27:02be able to explain
27:03where these $211,102 come from,
27:07which is clearly not the procedure
27:09if he has to cross them to Paraguay.
27:12Is it known if he has
27:13a banking profile in Paraguay?
27:15Does he have accounts there?
27:17We are looking for it.
27:18We still don't have it.
27:20But, let me, Paco,
27:22make an allusion
27:23to what another member of the table
27:26has said.
27:27In Paraguay, as in Argentina,
27:28we have the same amount
27:30of the amount that is not necessary
27:33to declare,
27:34at least if it reaches $10,000.
27:36If one comes to Paraguay
27:38from Brazil,
27:39from Argentina,
27:40from Bolivia,
27:41from another country,
27:42if they leave Paraguayan territory,
27:43in the same way as in Argentina,
27:45also the limit is up to $10,000
27:47so as not to declare.
27:49If you come with a higher amount,
27:50you have to declare it,
27:51even if you are a parliamentarian.
27:53And that's why,
27:54well, there it is,
27:55you see,
27:56that too is the important point
27:58to touch on, right?
28:00The two infractions
28:01on the two borders.
28:02In Argentina,
28:03not informing,
28:05because it could not have happened
28:06with so much money,
28:08and in Paraguay,
28:09it could not have entered
28:10with so much money,
28:12except for a bank transfer,
28:14which obviously
28:15a lot of money is lost
28:16because there are taxes and so on.
28:18Now, what was he going to do
28:19with that money?
28:20And many...
28:21As is.
28:22Obviously,
28:23the question that arises to us all
28:24is how a senator
28:25has so much money?
28:26What did he sell?
28:27If he sold something
28:28to bring money to Paraguay,
28:31right?
28:32And what was he going to do in Paraguay?
28:33Also, right?
28:34They have lowered the values,
28:36I say,
28:37I don't know,
28:38of real estate there in Paraguay,
28:39Diego?
28:41In Paraguay,
28:42quite the opposite,
28:43the cost of real estate
28:44has gone up,
28:45even more with what
28:46happened this year
28:47in terms of that ease
28:49of accessing real estate,
28:50properties, etc.,
28:51through the category
28:52that Paraguay obtained
28:53through one of the international
28:54consultants
28:55of the degree of investment,
28:56which has facilitated
28:57that the process
28:58begins with which
28:59people can access
29:00their first home
29:01and villages and others.
29:02It may be interesting
29:03for many Argentines
29:04who are located
29:05on the list
29:06of foreigners
29:07who invest the most
29:08in Paraguay.
29:09If one looks,
29:10always what the
29:11Ministry of Economy
29:12of our country
29:13makes known,
29:14the Argentines
29:15are at the head
29:16of those who
29:17invest the most
29:18capital
29:19in the country.
29:20Why?
29:21Because the taxes
29:22are very low.
29:23Yes, of course,
29:24that's why,
29:25but the concern
29:26around the world,
29:27that's why we also
29:28talk about asset
29:29laundering,
29:30is the laundering
29:31per se,
29:32and also the business
29:33with the narco
29:34gangs,
29:35with the gang
29:36of human trafficking,
29:37it is true that Paraguay
29:38also fights
29:39a lot against that
29:40and especially
29:41in the area
29:42where they detained him,
29:43which is almost
29:44the triple border,
29:45I say almost
29:46because,
29:47because the
29:49there is a bridge
29:50that unites,
29:51as we said before,
29:52Ciudad del Este
29:53with Foz do Iguaçu
29:54and then there is
29:55the other bridge
29:56that unites,
29:57well obviously
29:58one of the
29:59Argentine cities
30:00with Brazil
30:01to be able to
30:02pass later
30:03if you want,
30:04the one who needs
30:05to go to Paraguay,
30:06right?
30:07Yes,
30:08the issue
30:09linked to
30:10foreigners in
30:11Paraguay
30:12in terms of
30:13what is
30:14asset laundering,
30:15we generally
30:16listen to Brazilian
30:17women more,
30:18not so much
30:19to Ciudad del Este,
30:20of course there is,
30:21but I was more
30:22focused on what
30:23would become
30:24Ponta Porá
30:25with Pedro Juan
30:26Caballero,
30:27an apartment
30:28called Amambay
30:29and that has been
30:30the epicenter
30:31practically of the
30:32fight against
30:33asset laundering,
30:34that's why
30:35you will have seen
30:36at some point
30:37many Brazilians
30:38who were expelled
30:39to be processed
30:40in their country
30:41but who were
30:42linked to
30:43asset laundering.
30:44Sure,
30:45well that's why,
30:46I mean,
30:47if you go to
30:48Ciudad del Este,
30:49which is an
30:50epicenter of
30:51always having
30:52a magnifying glass
30:53in that city
30:54for different
30:55groups there,
30:56right,
30:57Diego,
30:58it also draws
30:59attention,
31:00right?
31:01As is,
31:02as is,
31:03let me tell you
31:04because in the
31:05meantime
31:06we are also
31:07talking,
31:08our press
31:09team is
31:10also
31:11sharing
31:12information.
31:13Sorry Diego,
31:14but we are
31:15in Paraguay.
31:16Diego,
31:17wait,
31:18tell me,
31:19we are receiving,
31:20we are processing
31:21exclusive information
31:22that we are going
31:23to put on the
31:24screen in minutes
31:25when we have it,
31:26I go with the
31:27sweep and the
31:28exclusive and
31:29we tell Diego
31:30because there is
31:31a very good
31:32image.
31:33Wait,
31:34tell me what
31:35you were telling
31:36me,
31:37Diego.
31:38My team
31:39was providing
31:40me with
31:41data from
31:42a probable
31:43call from
31:44the prosecutor
31:45when we
31:46received and
31:47received
31:48the arrest
31:49as we
31:50suddenly
31:51called it
31:52here when
31:53it is at
31:54least an
31:55not greater
31:56arrest at
31:576 hours
31:58and which
31:59could
32:00of course
32:01later generate
32:02an incitement
32:03probably,
32:04I insist on
32:05this detail,
32:06at least of
32:07initially
32:08being
32:09configured
32:10by
32:11smuggling
32:12.