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00:00For example, I was once stepped on, my friend cut my hair with a scissor, just like that.
00:06Usually, people haven't gone to class yet, right?
00:08He came to class, he pulled me, he punched me in the face.
00:19Assalamualaikum, hi! You're with me, Uyianna Arshad.
00:22And in this week's trending topic,
00:25lately, there are a lot of issues related to bullying.
00:31It's hotly discussed on social media.
00:35Malaysia, what is going on?
00:38And today, I'm with two bullies,
00:43Zaki Yamani and Izzy Riko,
00:46who, as I said earlier, have been bullied.
00:50Hi, Zaki!
00:51Hi!
00:52Hi, Izzy!
00:54Today, we're going to talk about bullying, right?
00:56But for Zaki himself, we know him.
00:59Zaki is a singer.
01:01Yes, I am.
01:02He has a very, very nice voice.
01:03No, I don't.
01:04Really?
01:06But for Izzy, how can we all know about Izzy?
01:12Actually, I'm from Perunding, Hattana.
01:15I started in Hattana when I was 21 years old.
01:19And now, I'm 23 years old.
01:21What's important is that the house is clean.
01:22So, don't come in.
01:24What's important is that the house is clean.
01:25So, don't come in, okay?
01:26Okay.
01:27But maybe, who wants to talk first
01:29about their experience of being bullied?
01:31Okay.
01:32I was bullied when I was 16 years old.
01:34Okay.
01:35Middle school?
01:36Middle school, yes.
01:37I was bullied when I was in school.
01:39When I was 16 years old,
01:41I was bullied until my bones were broken.
01:44The case went viral on Facebook.
01:45And the person who bullied me was my classmate.
01:48A girl.
01:49Okay.
01:50So, the issue was...
01:52If I may share,
01:53the cause was the mouth of the bully.
01:57He punched me in the face and made me look bad.
02:00So, because of that,
02:02his friend hit me.
02:04Let me tell you about the incident.
02:06The day I was hit,
02:08I came to school as usual.
02:10So, when I wanted to rest,
02:12I went to the canteen.
02:13We usually go to the canteen to buy food, right?
02:15During that week,
02:16he provoked me.
02:17He would always talk about my stuff in class.
02:19He said,
02:20Is it just the two of you?
02:21Or was it a group of people?
02:23A group of people?
02:24It was my close friend.
02:26He was the one who hit me.
02:28So, it was just the two of you?
02:29Yes.
02:30So, he provoked me in class.
02:32But I didn't say anything.
02:33Okay.
02:34I didn't want to answer.
02:35When the teacher asked,
02:37I didn't say anything in class.
02:39So, on that day,
02:41when I was at the school canteen,
02:43I wanted to buy food.
02:44He pulled my headband
02:45when I wanted to buy food.
02:46So, he pulled my headband.
02:47When I turned around,
02:48he wanted to hit me
02:49at the school canteen.
02:50So, I bought the food.
02:52I put the food down
02:53and went straight to class.
02:54So, after I went to class,
02:56I just finished resting.
02:58Usually, people don't go to class when they rest.
03:00He came to class.
03:01He pulled my headband.
03:03He hit my face.
03:04Because when I didn't respond,
03:06I didn't respond to him.
03:08He provoked me.
03:09I didn't respond.
03:10So, he was angry.
03:13So, he hit my face.
03:14I was like, why?
03:15I screamed at that time.
03:16I was shocked.
03:17Because he came from behind.
03:18So, I screamed.
03:20We fought until he pulled my headband.
03:22My headband was open.
03:24All the boys in the class went out.
03:27They didn't dare.
03:28They didn't dare.
03:30When he pulled my headband,
03:32he hit my face.
03:33My face was swollen.
03:34I was in pain.
03:35I didn't realize it at that time.
03:37Then,
03:39what happened was
03:41he broke my arm
03:42when he pushed me.
03:43I had a cramp.
03:45When that happened,
03:46I didn't expect my arm to be broken.
03:48I didn't expect my shoulder to be broken.
03:50I didn't feel anything at that time.
03:51I just felt swollen.
03:52I just felt pain.
03:54You broke your arm.
03:55You were bullied.
03:56When the fight happened,
03:58did you retaliate?
03:59Of course.
04:00I wanted to protect him.
04:01You wanted to defend yourself.
04:02I pushed him.
04:03I pushed him.
04:04But,
04:05he was stronger
04:06because he was an athlete.
04:07He was an athlete at that time.
04:09I didn't have the strength.
04:12I was shocked.
04:13He suddenly came.
04:14I couldn't retaliate.
04:17Zaki,
04:18how did you feel
04:19when Izi was beaten
04:20until he broke his arm?
04:22Zaki?
04:23I was still in school.
04:25But,
04:26I was in a low school.
04:28When I was in high school,
04:29I thought about
04:30how to deal with it.
04:32Were you in a low school?
04:33Yes.
04:34How old were you?
04:35I was eight,
04:37nine or ten years old.
04:38I was small and delicate.
04:40I was delicate.
04:41If I stepped on someone,
04:42I would die.
04:43If I stepped on someone,
04:44I would die.
04:47When I was a kid,
04:48I was called a nerd.
04:50I was stepped on.
04:52My friend cut my hair
04:54with a scissor.
04:55That's all.
04:57But,
04:58I didn't know how to fight back.
04:59I didn't know how to fight back.
05:00My mother became my superhero.
05:02She asked me,
05:03why did you cut your hair?
05:04Once,
05:05when she came to pick me up from school,
05:07I cried.
05:09I was stepped on.
05:10Another boy told my mother.
05:13My mother didn't know what to do.
05:14She looked for a teacher
05:15and a boy.
05:16Were you the only one
05:17who was stepped on?
05:18There were two of us.
05:19There were two of us.
05:20We were both big.
05:21I was small.
05:22They were all big.
05:23I was alone.
05:24How could I fight back?
05:25I was alone.
05:26I couldn't do anything.
05:27I couldn't do anything.
05:28I couldn't fight back.
05:29I couldn't fight back.
05:30If I did,
05:31I would be criticized.
05:33Didn't you have
05:34friends around you
05:35who told you
05:36not to bully them?
05:37who told you not to bully them?
05:38Didn't you?
05:39No.
05:41When I was a kid,
05:42I didn't have any friends.
05:43When I was a kid,
05:44I didn't have any friends.
05:45There was no friend
05:47to hang out with me.
05:48to hang out with me.
05:49I couldn't even
05:50back myself up.
05:51back myself up.
05:52I only had my mom.
05:54People told my mom
05:56that I cried
05:58and was stepped on.
06:01Thank goodness
06:02your mother was there.
06:03Thank goodness your mother was there.
06:04Or it would be what you did.
06:05Or it would be what you did.
06:06You have the guts
06:07but no mother
06:08among a 100 men,
06:09Among a 100 men,
06:10But, one of the moments that made you feel like that's it, you don't want to be bullied anymore.
06:20Is it when you're in middle school, is that the turning point?
06:25Or did someone tell you to defend yourself?
06:28Because I think I'm getting older, I'm a man too, I don't want to be bullied.
06:33If someone bullies me, I'll bully them back.
06:35I don't want to be bullied back.
06:37If someone insults me, I'll say it back.
06:41I'll say it back, let them feel the pain.
06:43So that the insults can be a joke and a friend.
06:48So, we can be friends.
06:50So, when I come to school, I don't get serious insults.
06:53So, we can be friends.
06:55So, when you're older, you know how to handle situations if someone dares to bully you.
07:04But, Izzy was bullied when she was 16 years old.
07:08And Zaki was bullied when he was in middle school.
07:11This has happened for years.
07:13Maybe for Zaki, it's still a little bit fresh.
07:17Because it was only 5 or 6 years ago.
07:21How did it affect your life?
07:24Do you still feel the trauma?
07:28I feel grateful.
07:31Because when I was bullied, I became a different person.
07:35I think that was my turning point to change for the better.
07:39How did you feel?
07:41After I was bullied, when I was 5 or 6 years old, I didn't want to take SPM.
07:45I was about to finish my 4th form.
07:47So, I didn't want to take SPM.
07:49I told my mother that I didn't want to take SPM.
07:51I didn't want to study.
07:52My mother tried to persuade me.
07:54So, she moved me to another school.
07:56So, when I transferred to another school, I studied at the new school.
08:00I got to know a new friend.
08:01So, praise be to Allah, I took SPM.
08:03I got my 6th form SPM.
08:05If it wasn't for Zaki, you would've become a loan shark.
08:09During those 5 months, I cried.
08:12I cried in my room every day.
08:14At that time, my story went viral.
08:17It went viral on Facebook.
08:18It went viral on the radio too.
08:21So, when it went viral, I was afraid that my name would go down.
08:28So, everyone at the school blamed me.
08:31Even though I was the one...
08:33Because it went viral?
08:34Yes.
08:36As I said, the teacher only gave me the right to file a police report.
08:40So, when it went viral, the teacher blamed me.
08:43Why did I file a police report?
08:44Why did it become such a big issue?
08:46If I didn't file a police report, what if I got beaten up again?
08:50So, my mother was the one who filed the police report.
08:55Zaki, do you agree with me?
08:57Sometimes, when someone is being bullied, people feel that...
09:01...if they don't take action, they can spread the bullying case.
09:06Instead of curbing the problem, the bullying case will increase.
09:12Do you still feel that way?
09:20Yes, I do.
09:21Bullying can make us brave enough to fight back...
09:27...and stand up for ourselves.
09:29Bullying is everywhere.
09:32So, I have to have the courage...
09:38...so that I can fight back.
09:42During primary school, we were bullied.
09:49Were you bullied for the past six years?
09:51When I was a kid, I had to change schools a lot.
09:55I was bullied.
09:56I had to change schools a lot.
09:58From primary 1 to 3, I had to go to another school.
10:00From primary 4 to 5, I had to go to another school.
10:02From primary 5 to 6, I had to go to another school.
10:05But, does that affect your psychology?
10:09Do you have to change your environment?
10:11Do you have to change your friends?
10:12I don't feel that way yet.
10:15But, I do feel sad because I was bullied.
10:18But, I don't feel that way physically or mentally...
10:21...because I was still a kid.
10:23I still have a clear mind.
10:25I only have a game in my mind.
10:27I don't care about UPSR.
10:30I just want to play games.
10:34I'm grateful to my mother for taking care of me.
10:38I'm grateful.
10:39I understand.
10:40But, for you...
10:42...after you were beaten to a pulp...
10:49...when you faced the bully again...
10:52...did you not see him anymore?
10:53No, I didn't.
10:54I blocked him everywhere.
10:56I didn't want to.
10:57Did you go to school?
10:58I changed schools.
10:59You changed schools.
11:01I'm still the same.
11:05It happened.
11:07If I didn't like someone...
11:09...I would delete him from my life.
11:11I wouldn't remember him.
11:12I would block him.
11:15You haven't forgotten him, right?
11:17Yes.
11:18Did you forgive him?
11:19Yes, I did.
11:20You did.
11:21Because I don't feel remorseful.
11:24If you ask me, I don't feel remorseful anymore.
11:27That's the turning point in my life.
11:30When I was beaten...
11:31...I sat in my room and talked to myself.
11:33I talked to myself in front of the mirror.
11:35I cried every day.
11:37That's what brought me closer to God.
11:40I got to know myself and God.
11:42Since then, I've been praying to God.
11:44I rarely talk to people.
11:46I only talk to my mother.
11:48But, I talk to God a lot.
11:50When I pray to God...
11:52...I feel like I'm his lover.
11:55That's what makes me feel grateful...
11:58...because I got something extraordinary now.
12:04I'm going home.
12:05We all know that your father is a famous singer in Malaysia.
12:10He's very well-known and respected.
12:13Do you think that...
12:16...this is one of the reasons...
12:20...why you were bullied when you were younger?
12:23I think so.
12:24I think so.
12:25I think so.
12:26I think so.
12:27I think so.
12:28I think so.
12:29I think so.
12:30I think so.
12:31Why were you bullied at that time?
12:34My father's name is Jamal Bilal.
12:36They made fun of Jamal.
12:40That's a standard.
12:41That's a standard.
12:42It's not a joke.
12:43It's a standard.
12:45Every time I went to see him, he'd say, Jamal!
12:47Jamal!
12:48Jamal!
12:49I was like, it's okay.
12:52But, if my close friends said that, I'd be okay.
12:56I can't do that to strangers.
12:58But, there was a time when I scolded him.
13:02But, he didn't say anything.
13:04He just called me Zaki.
13:05That's how it is.
13:06If it was a foreigner, I'd call him Mr. Jamal.
13:10But, in Malaysia, we have our own culture.
13:12We can't call people by their father's name.
13:14We have to call them by their own name.
13:15I got rejected because of my name.
13:17My name is Uyaina.
13:19People were like, what's your name?
13:21Is that your real name or fake?
13:23I got rejected.
13:24Is that your real name?
13:25If you think about it, you got rejected.
13:28It's okay. It's different.
13:30Uyaina is unique.
13:33We've asked you how you got rejected.
13:36Even though it's been years, you still remember it.
13:42So, you don't get rejected anymore?
13:44No, alhamdulillah.
13:45Zaki, you don't reject people, right?
13:47No, I don't.
13:52I'm a good person.
13:54I remember God.
13:55Alhamdulillah.
13:57But, I want to ask you.
13:59What do you think when people say that...
14:03...bullying can strengthen a person?
14:09Zaki, have you ever been bullied?
14:11You're just a kid.
14:13You're so spoiled.
14:15And that's what shapes your character...
14:18...to become a stronger person.
14:21If you're bullied, you won't cry anymore.
14:24Do you agree with that statement?
14:28If I'm bullied, I don't want it.
14:32So, we can have a generation...
14:38...that is not violent.
14:42I don't want to see bullying cases.
14:45Someone got killed.
14:47Someone got beaten up.
14:50I don't want that.
14:53But, Izzy, I have the same question.
14:56Do you agree with the statement that...
14:58...bullying can strengthen a person?
15:02I agree with that statement because...
15:04...it changes my character.
15:06I used to cry a lot.
15:08I used to cry a lot and I used to be quiet.
15:10After I got bullied, I became even quieter.
15:12People used to call me a bully.
15:14They called me...
15:15We're a gang.
15:16Yes, we're a gang.
15:17They called me a bully.
15:19They called me a bully.
15:22What happened after that?
15:23When people called me a bully, I cried.
15:26Every time I went home, I cried.
15:28There was a girl who wrote to me.
15:31She called me a bully.
15:33Did she like you?
15:34Yes.
15:35She liked me after school.
15:37That's normal.
15:38She wanted to be my attendant.
15:39I used to cry a lot.
15:41When I got home from school, I cried.
15:43She told me to hit her.
15:45I used to cry.
15:47Now, I feel more confident.
15:52Now, I run a business in Hatanah.
15:54I sell perfumes.
15:56When I sell perfumes...
15:58...I get a lot of negative comments.
16:00Some people say that I'm a pervert.
16:02They want to spray perfume on me.
16:04When I do that, it causes controversies...
16:07...among the netizens.
16:09Now, I don't care.
16:10They can comment.
16:11I'm okay with it.
16:13I'm okay with it.
16:15I used to cry a lot.
16:17I used to get hit by people.
16:19Now, I cry.
16:20When I get home, I cry.
16:21It happens so fast.
16:23Now, I'm okay with it.
16:25I understand.
16:26I think that's one of the wisdoms...
16:30...that we can learn.
16:32But, I'm sure that...
16:34...you don't want others to be bullied.
16:36You don't want to break up...
16:38...before you realize that...
16:40...even though you cry a lot...
16:42...you can't reach that level.
16:44Am I right?
16:45I want to ask you this question.
16:47Your mother is here with us.
16:49She's behind the camera.
16:51But, do you think that...
16:54...the role of your family...
16:56...and the role of your teachers...
16:58...and lecturers at the university...
17:00...are very important?
17:01Am I right?
17:02That's right.
17:03My friends always say that...
17:05...their children are like their mother.
17:07They're like their mother.
17:10But, for me, I'm grateful...
17:12...because there's someone who really cares about me.
17:14If anything happens to me...
17:16...my mother will help me.
17:18If it wasn't for my mother...
17:20...who else would help me?
17:22Who else would help me?
17:23So, it's true.
17:25I have to pay attention to my parents.
17:28I have to love them...
17:29...so that my children won't be bullied.
17:31That's right.
17:32But, when you told me that...
17:33...your mother was bullied at first...
17:35...how did you react?
17:36Actually, I'm a quiet person.
17:40I don't tell people about my problems...
17:43...or what happened at school.
17:45But, my mother forced me.
17:47What happened at school?
17:49Tell me now!
17:50So, I...
17:51No choice?
17:52I had no choice.
17:53I had to tell my mother.
17:55So, my mother got it.
17:56But, I didn't tell her about the bullying.
17:58Like I said, it was someone else...
18:00...who told her that I was bullied.
18:02That's why my mother was so angry.
18:04She looked for the teacher and the child...
18:05...until she found them.
18:07So, your mother really loves you...
18:10...and cares for you.
18:12So, my advice to the parents out there...
18:15...is to love your children...
18:17...even though you have 10 children.
18:20Give 100% to those 10 children...
18:22...so that your children won't be bullied...
18:25...or...
18:27...yes.
18:28We want to say...
18:29...because the bullying scope is big.
18:30It's not just verbal bullying...
18:32...or physical bullying...
18:34...that we can see the effect on the body.
18:36But now, with social media...
18:38...there's also cyberbullying.
18:40For you and for Izy...
18:42...who uses social media.
18:45Have you ever been cyberbullied?
18:47Yes.
18:48I have.
18:49Izy?
18:50How was it?
18:51How was the level of bullying?
18:53But, I don't think it's as bad...
18:55...as what I've been hit with.
18:57Okay, I understand.
18:58But, I think the bullying from the netizens...
19:01...was okay.
19:03I think it was okay.
19:04Because...
19:06...even when we make content...
19:08...it's just for fun.
19:09Sometimes, our content...
19:10...provokes people to bully us.
19:12If our content provokes people to bully us...
19:14...people will bully us.
19:15But now, a lot of my content...
19:17...provides knowledge...
19:19...about properties...
19:20...and how young people can buy properties.
19:22So, when my content is like that...
19:24...some people will back me up...
19:25...and some people will support me...
19:27...in the comments section.
19:28How about you, Zaki?
19:29What was the worst thing...
19:33...that people said to you...
19:35...online?
19:36When you read it...
19:39...did you feel like...
19:40...this is too much?
19:43Because I'm...
19:45...a newbie in the music industry.
19:47So, I'm sure there are people...
19:49...who don't like it.
19:50So...
19:52I've seen it once...
19:54...but it made me feel bad.
19:56It's like...
19:57...this kid can't go...
19:59...this is too much.
20:01But when I think about it...
20:02...I'm a newbie.
20:04I just started in the industry.
20:05I still have a lot to learn.
20:07I don't know.
20:08But I look at my mom.
20:09I look at myself.
20:11If my dad can do it...
20:12...when he was young...
20:13...why can't I?
20:14If other artists can do it...
20:16...why can't I?
20:17So, I have to challenge myself.
20:19Even though I don't do it for others...
20:21...but I want to.
20:22Because that's my dream.
20:24So, I don't care...
20:26...about what people say...
20:27...on social media.
20:28I don't care.
20:29I care about myself.
20:30That's all.
20:31Zaki, you're only 18 years old.
20:33Yes, I'm 20 years old.
20:37Your life journey...
20:38...and career...
20:39...is still very long...
20:41...and very wide.
20:42With the talent that you have...
20:44...I'm sure...
20:45...you'll make it big.
20:47But before we...
20:49...finish our session today...
20:51...maybe...
20:52...if...
20:53...the bully...
20:55...Easy at that time...
20:57...was watching this right now...
21:00...what do you want to say...
21:02...to the bully, Easy?
21:04What can I say?
21:06I'm sorry.
21:07I don't hold a grudge anymore.
21:09I don't hold a grudge anymore.
21:11That's the only reason...
21:13...why I was bullied.
21:15I want to say thank you...
21:17...for being...
21:18...one of the people who left me.
21:20Masya Allah.
21:21Easy, you have a very big heart.
21:23And I'm very happy...
21:25...because I met you...
21:26...and heard your story.
21:27And I heard how you got up...
21:29...from being bullied.
21:31What about you, Zaki?
21:33I don't want to ask you to say anything...
21:35...to the bully, Zaki.
21:36But...
21:37...maybe you can give us...
21:39...some words of encouragement.
21:41Maybe the younger ones...
21:42...who are watching this right now...
21:43...who have the same physique...
21:45...as Zaki...
21:46...when he was young...
21:47...and cute.
21:48They say he's cute.
21:50Maybe they...
21:54Maybe they're in the same situation...
21:55...as Zaki.
21:56What can you say to them?
21:59I can say to my siblings...
22:01...who think they're small.
22:04We're small and cute.
22:07Whatever it is...
22:08...if we can avoid it, we'll avoid it.
22:10If we can run, we'll run.
22:12If we can't run, we'll stand up...
22:13...for ourselves.
22:14That's all.
22:15Stand up.
22:16Okay?
22:17So, I wish you all the best...
22:19...for both of you.
22:20Okay?
22:21And to those of you...
22:22...who might be bullied...
22:24...or...
22:25...who are still traumatized...
22:27...or who might see...
22:28...this bullying situation happening...
22:30...remember...
22:31...violence...
22:32...is not the solution.
22:34Be the voice...
22:35...that stops the violence...
22:36...like the two of us.
22:38And...
22:39...to those of you...
22:40...or those you know...
22:41...who are victims of violence...
22:42...or bullies...
22:43...you can contact...
22:44...MIASA 24x7 Crisis Helpline...
22:47...at 1-800-180-066...
22:51...or MIASA 24x7 Crisis...
22:54...WhatsApp...
22:55...at 03-97-65-6088.
23:00Once again...
23:01...violence...
23:02...is not the solution.
23:03Thank you, Zaki.
23:04Thank you, Izzy.