" Agar Riyasat Ne Riyasat Ke Tor Par Khud Ko Manwana Hai Aur Qaim Rehna Hai To. .. . " Ahsan Iqbal
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00:00And sir, you talked about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in which, of course, you have also been a member of the office.
00:04So today, we saw, of course, the PTI has to march towards Islamabad.
00:07Take a look at these scenes and listen.
00:09Do you think these are good optics?
00:10Of course, if something happens, the police have to handle all the security.
00:13But the police arranged for a walk on D-Chowk.
00:16There are slogans on it.
00:17Do you think the optics are okay?
00:19Or can this situation be handled in a better way?
00:22Listen to this.
00:23I don't know if you will be able to see me or not.
00:24Listen and then give your opinion.
00:26Show it, sir.
00:30Long live Pakistan!
00:37Long live Islamabad Police!
00:39Long live IJS!
00:41Long live D-IJS!
00:44The police are marching on D-Chowk.
00:47Long live IJS! Long live Islamabad Police!
00:50Of course, there is no abuse in these slogans.
00:52I am talking about optics.
00:54Is this appropriate?
00:55Look, Waseem, you know that even in 2014,
00:59when the PTI protested,
01:01where its target was the Parliament House,
01:04where its target was the PTV,
01:06there its target was the police officers,
01:09the police soldiers and the police stations.
01:12Yes, that's right.
01:13Similarly, you know that when the people of the court
01:17went to Zaman Park to get the agreement signed,
01:22the PTI officers attacked the police with petrol bombs
01:28and the police were injured.
01:30And our current IJS officers lost their eyes
01:34and were severely injured.
01:37Similarly, when this protest came to Islamabad again,
01:41a number of police officers were injured
01:44and a policeman was killed.
01:46So, if they do anything illegal here,
01:51then their first line of defence will definitely be the police.
01:55And if any head of the police
01:58protects the country's most important government
02:02and its most important government institutions,
02:05where diplomats also live,
02:07if he has to fulfill his duty,
02:10then he has to boost their morale.
02:13Because when these people come,
02:15they will come and destroy.
02:17And every stone, every fire that will happen in the future,
02:22or whatever violence there will be,
02:24or whether they throw petrol bombs at them,
02:28or whatever things they have done in the past,
02:30then who has to face it?
02:32These police officers have to make that attack a failure.
02:35So, it is very important to boost the morale of a police force,
02:40to keep it high,
02:42so that you can protect your home.
02:46But, having said this,
02:49Waseem, I would like to say that
02:51you tell me,
02:52that the votes that have been cast in the country,
02:55if we prove all the claims of PTI right,
03:00then the votes that have been cast by PTI,
03:03more than that, at least two thirds of the votes have been against it.
03:08If 100,000 votes have been cast against PTI,
03:11then at least 300,000 to 400,000 votes have been cast against PTI.
03:15So, you tell me,
03:16that if PTI mobilises 100,000 people,
03:19and the other parties also mobilise 400,000 to 500,000 people,
03:23then we are going back to the Stone Ages,
03:26where the army was captured from Kashi.
03:30We are a nuclear country.
03:32People look at our politics.
03:34People look at our stability.
03:37I think that this attitude should be abandoned now.
03:40We should become a mature country.
03:42PTI has not accepted the results of 8th February.
03:45Today, if they ask us to return our mandate,
03:49if they say that we do not believe in this system,
03:52then first of all, you should resign from the assembly.
03:55As a result of 8th February,
03:57the relief that you have taken,
03:59the TADA that you are collecting and putting in your pockets,
04:02on one hand, you are sitting in the assembly,
04:05collecting TADA properly and putting it in your pockets,
04:08on the other hand, you are fooling people that we do not believe in this system.
04:11Even Noon League rejected the 2018 elections.
04:14They said it was RTS election.
04:16And they were sitting in the assembly.
04:18And obviously, they were collecting TADA.
04:20No, if we had said at that time,
04:22then we would have fought our case in this system.
04:25We had also come on the streets,
04:27along with Maulana, we had also come to Delhi Chowk.
04:29We said at that time that this system,
04:32even though it is rigged,
04:34we are coming under protest in this,
04:36and we believe in this system in its continuity,
04:39because we are democratic people.
04:41So whatever politics we did,
04:43we did it in the streets.
04:45We went to the courts of Pakistan and fought the case.
04:47Neither did we go to the Congress of America,
04:49nor did we go to the House of Lords of Britain,
04:52nor did we hold the feet of Congressmen and Senators,
04:55to say, my father, save us.
04:57We fought our case in Pakistan.
05:00We fought in the streets of Pakistan,
05:02and we also fought in the ground.
05:04You have made your case in the context of the politics of the streets.
05:06So if it was right for you to come to Delhi Chowk,
05:08along with Maulana,
05:10then how is it wrong for them?
05:12Look, the reason for that is,
05:14whatever protest, you tell me,
05:16how many protests has the PTI done in this country?
05:20How many?
05:21Perhaps they have made a record
05:23that all the gatherings and rallies they have done,
05:25no Jamaat has done.
05:27When they were removed from the movement,
05:29in April 2022,
05:32after that, Mr. Khan went to the rallies and rallies,
05:35and someone stopped him.
05:37But on 9th May, they changed everything.
05:40They brought 9th May back to the 2014 style of politics,
05:45and proved that they are re-emerging the full-blown politics.
05:50And when they attacked the state,
05:53now the state will answer for it.
05:55Pakistan is not a banana republic.
05:57Like I said, we are a nuclear state.
06:00People look at our stability.
06:02They see that their country is in chaos,
06:05or that there is a revolution.
06:07When PTI did this on 9th May,
06:09then 9th May changed the dynamics.
06:12Right.
06:13And are you sure
06:14that these dynamics will not change again
06:16until 2 tokes of apology are asked on 9th May,
06:19which is the official stance of the state,
06:21the official stance of the army.
06:23Or do you think that,
06:24no, Pakistan is here,
06:25anyone can change it.
06:26Or are you sure that
06:27the state's stance will not change without apology?
06:30If you want to forgive on 9th May,
06:34then forgive all those terrorists from your jail,
06:38who have attacked a police station,
06:41who have attacked a border post.
06:44Leave all of them.
06:46They attacked GHQ,
06:48they attacked Core Commander House,
06:51they burnt Jinnah House to ashes,
06:54they attacked the air bases of Pak Air Force,
06:57they attacked the intelligence institutions.
07:00No terrorist organization in Pakistan
07:04has ever targeted the security of Pakistan
07:07and the institutions of the state on this level.
07:11On this level,
07:13PTI did it on 9th May,
07:15they did it to the government property,
07:17they burnt the entire building of Radio Pakistan in Peshawar to ashes,
07:22in which there was a very precious record of the movement of Pakistan,
07:26which was lost.
07:27The speeches of Qaid-e-Azam were lost.
07:30So, after doing all this,
07:32if you say,
07:33find the soil,
07:34then you put the soil on everything,
07:36forgive all the terrorists.
07:38Do you have hope,
07:39do you believe,
07:40that the state will not find the soil,
07:43and will stand on its position?
07:45Or is this your advice to the state,
07:47that do not do this?
07:49If the state has to convince itself as a state,
07:54and has to remain stable,
07:56then the state will not have to put the soil,
07:59it will have to make a mark of example.
08:01But if the state has to put the soil,
08:03wood, stone,
08:05then be ready,
08:06next time someone will do more than this,
08:08you compromise with that too.
08:10I want to ask you this question,
08:12let's put it aside on 9th May.
08:14Mr. Khan who used to say,
08:16that they have come to do Jihad against corruption,
08:18£190 million,
08:21which Britain gave to Pakistan,
08:24is this not the reality,
08:26that instead of depositing it in the treasury of Pakistan,
08:31Mr. Khan transferred it to his friend's account,
08:35where he had to deposit the fine.
08:38Instead of that,
08:39he took bribes,
08:40instead of that,
08:41he took plots,
08:42instead of that,
08:43he took personal gain for himself.
08:45Why is there no decision being made in this case?
08:47Even today,
08:48when I am talking to you,
08:49I am talking about Totana Air Force,
08:50they have been given bail,
08:52my question is,
08:53in your time,
08:54you used to say,
08:55that the army gets influenced in the court,
08:57against the Noon League.
08:58Today it is decided,
08:59that the army is not involved with PTI.
09:01Then why is there no decision being made in the courts,
09:03against them,
09:04if there are such crystal clear cases?
09:06The only problem is,
09:08that you see in every case,
09:10our case,
09:11the reference of the Naib against me,
09:14we used to pray,
09:15that the next case should be quick,
09:17we used to pray,
09:18that the case should end quickly,
09:20because there is nothing in it,
09:22if the decision is made,
09:23then the lie will come in front of the people.
09:25These people,
09:26Mr. Khan and his lawyers,
09:28why are they using the last resort?
09:30Why don't they come on the cases?
09:32Why are they not taking part in the proceedings?
09:34Why are they putting all the cases in a hurry?
09:37Like the case of foreign funding,
09:39they dragged it for 6-7 years.
09:42Why didn't they say,
09:43that we are with you,
09:45we support you,
09:46you decide,
09:47decide on the merit.
09:48The real thing is,
09:49that they are testing the last resort,
09:51how long will they test it?
09:53Because the law is forced,
09:55that the courts have to proceed,
09:57under a regulation,
09:59and if a team,
10:01uses the last resort,
10:04then that action becomes a victim of the last resort.
10:07So these decisions have not been made,
10:09just because they are not taking part in the proceedings,
10:12but their lawyers,
10:13with the help of the last resort,
10:15keep taking some dates,
10:17keep presenting,
10:18throw a new spanner in it,
10:21like the case of foreign funding,
10:23they dragged it for many years.
10:25So if they are sure,
10:27that they are right,
10:28that they are truthful,
10:29then they come and say,
10:30listen to us every day,
10:31listen to us daily,
10:32decide on our case,
10:33then they will listen to us.
10:34Because they know,
10:35that if they listen to us quickly,
10:37then they will be punished quickly.
10:39But today,
10:40getting bail in a case,
10:42for you,
10:43for them,
10:44it is a pleasant surprise,
10:45for Halima Sahiba,
10:46for you,
10:47is it a surprise?
10:48No,
10:49it is not like that,
10:50it is the job of the court,
10:51the court can take bail,
10:52but if you read the entire order,
10:54then it says,
10:57that if they do not take part in the proceedings,
11:00then their bail can be revoked.