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00:00That you were going through the key points, for example, the house of Pérez y Caillaba,
00:06which we are going to review now, but you were there. I remember the images.
00:11Pablo, how are you doing? Good afternoon. Yes, yes, I mean, we witnessed the irregularities, right?
00:20We witnessed the things they were doing wrong, the things that provincial justice did too wrong,
00:28of being arrested without a wife, that things are left without a chain of custody,
00:33that the places where the minor had disappeared are not preserved.
00:37Well, an infinity of wrongdoings, and among them, unfortunately, the house of Pérez y Caillaba.
00:45The electronic elements of Pérez y Caillaba too.
00:48We are talking about cell phones that were turned on after they were arrested.
00:51Well, why this help, and we have to say it too, from public employees, right?
00:58People from the government, because Tejo was part of this, because Commissioner Rodríguez was also part of this,
01:09because he is part of complex crimes, because the police of 9 de Julio, together with the commissioner,
01:14covered these people, they allowed them to leave 9 de Julio.
01:19This data that Ale brings us, which we have already reiterated once again,
01:27when we listen to it, it seems difficult to believe,
01:30which is that a person who retires from a place where a boy is missing,
01:34the next day he can go as far as Campante,
01:37do a whole route along the route, I don't know how many kilometers, to Resistencia,
01:41and that no one says absolutely nothing, not even the commissioner in charge of the investigation.
01:44That's why I subscribe to what Alejandro raises, of all the irregularities that were going through.
01:49Formally, they supposedly had no impediment to do it,
01:53but it is striking, it is very striking, because she is also a municipal official.
01:58In a town where nothing ever happens, you have a little boy missing,
02:01they are even from neighboring towns participating in search, tracking,
02:05everyone is looking for him, and you leave.
02:08Well, let's see, he says he had medical treatment,
02:11one can infer that maybe it was a delicate health issue, but it caught my attention.
02:16They traveled with official documentation.
02:19The commissioner gives them a document as if they were doing something for 9 de Julio.
02:27That is, if the police stopped them, they had a document to show.
02:32A safe conduct, one would say, right?
02:36Yes, exactly, a safe conduct.
02:38Route that also, never anyone, and that is the responsibility of Maciel,
02:42and several others above him who joined later,
02:45no one ever checked a car.
02:47A little while ago, when a little girl was lost in La Pampa,
02:50they found her in 5 hours, and among other things,
02:53although technology helped, a drone, tracking, water well,
02:56but they also started to stop cars and check them on the route.
02:59Here I think no one would have stopped them.
03:01But hey, even if it had been like that, he had a safe conduct.
03:04Now, Ale, you who worked in the field like no one else, right?
03:07Pablo was also there, Valvo was also there, but you, like no one else in the place,
03:11I was very worried about an information you gave in the last hours,
03:15referring to Pérez and Callaba,
03:17and the possibility that they are going to look again in a very particular place,
03:23which I believe that of all the colleagues who worked there,
03:26you showed it with Diego Traferi's camera, like no one else, right?
03:30It was a celebration, right? Ale?
03:32In the transfer of Correntina's justice to the federal justice,
03:36Pérez and Callaba's house was left alone for two days.
03:38On purpose, surely.
03:40We saw people enter and leave that house that we did not know.
03:45Alone and open, right?
03:47What?
03:49Alone and open.
03:51Alone and open was the house.
03:53It is a good thing from God, so that it is a test that does not work,
03:57but that something positive works, that something negative works,
04:01so that nullities are not raised.
04:03That is why it has been asked, and I have also almost confirmed
04:08that it is being reviewed by the prosecutors,
04:11to see if an excavation is being done in that place.
04:14A place that now surely you will be able to see in the images,
04:18caught our attention powerfully,
04:20a lid with a bag and such,
04:22that the dogs passed looking for RH now.
04:25This must be said, and it is serious.
04:28If when the dogs passed looking for RH,
04:30there was no human trace inside that place,
04:34and there was something else,
04:36and then something else happens,
04:39or what is hidden down there?
04:42At least you have to look.
04:46Because I saw at some point that there were searches,
04:50but never, although there were searching under the ground,
04:55for example in the cemetery.
04:57Yes, they even broke the slabs.
04:59I remember, now I have a grave on the ground.
05:02It had been one of the last that had been done.
05:05On a coincident date, the disappearance of the minor,
05:08they broke it, they put a drone,
05:10they put special machines to detect earthquake.
05:13In a cemetery, also with all the sensitivity that implies.
05:16Here they did not break, they did not look,
05:19if it is true that with the dogs they were,
05:22and in principle they had not marked anything.
05:25They did not mark RH, I repeat.
05:28Of course.
05:29There are things that you can put under the ground alive,
05:36depending on the time, depending on the dog,
05:39or depending on the search.
05:41That is why it is typical that the judge at this time says,
05:44well, stop, stop, let's exhaust all the instances.
05:47A minor does not know anything.
05:49I remember, Ale, help me.
05:52Because he marked it from the start, it caught his attention.
05:54That day, you know, the journalistic smell, the intuition,
05:57maybe they check it and it does not give anything,
05:59but it caught my attention that day, Alejandro.
06:02Yes, I remember, I do not know if I get confused.
06:07And from a house, forgive me, which also did not seem to be inhabited,
06:10but it seemed to be a place ...
06:12It had a room that seemed abandoned.
06:14It seemed to be a place where people were in captivity, I do not know, semi-abandoned.
06:17Let's start looking at the house,
06:20in the meantime, the one we are talking about with Ale Pueblas,
06:23who was there.
06:24There were six or seven raids.
06:26The last one at dawn, many hours.
06:28I also agree that there was some kind of rupture,
06:31some kind of counterfloor that was in the back of the house,
06:37but nothing was found.
06:39No, the truth is that it was investigated, Pablo, it is a blind well,
06:43which now you will see in the video, if you can use it.
06:46You get to go through a blind well,
06:48which I am showing you there, that you do not find anything.
06:51Then, the burned clothes, I do not know why they did not take it,
06:54in the first raid.
06:56What do you call it?
06:57Burnt clothes, a red shirt.
06:58They do not take the burnt pants,
07:00and they do not check the rice cooker oven either.
07:02Sure, you see there that it looks like a kind of slab?
07:05Well, they were looking there,
07:08because it was something that could be from the last time.
07:11What Ale raises is a space that seems to be a fireplace,
07:16which it is not.
07:17It's a space ...
07:18That wall you see back there.
07:20That's what you see back there.
07:21That wall you see back there,
07:22that's the fireplace on the side inside the house.
07:24There it is, when you see ...
07:26And Ale, the first moment he recorded it,
07:29while he was recording it, he caught his attention.
07:32You say, then, that there would be the possibility of going back
07:37to Pérez y Caillaba's house and digging.
07:41Yes, yes.
07:42Without a doubt, in the next few hours this will be analyzed,
07:45and the images that we get live will also be analyzed,
07:50regarding how the place is now.
07:52Very good.
07:53You say there was a change,
07:55there may have been some change between that moment and now,
07:59and now this moment.
08:02And if there was a change,
08:03someone will have to give explanations,
08:05because supposedly ...
08:06There it is.
08:07The other day the house was guarded,
08:09and to this day it should have remained guarded.
08:11This is the place.
08:12There it is, that's the image.
08:14This is the place that called him so much,
08:16and of course, how not to call your attention, right?
08:19This place that was reviewed,
08:22it must be said,
08:23where no type of element has been found so far,
08:27now,
08:28but that evidently the justice will review again.
08:32But it was not reviewed.
08:34That cover was never removed.
08:35This place was never reviewed, Ale.
08:37Wait a minute,
08:38you tell me that there were 7 raids in this house
08:41and this place was not reviewed?
08:43A dog passed by,
08:45and as the dog did not say anything,
08:47they kept walking.
08:48Sure.
08:49Well, you know that,
08:50because it is very important what Ale is telling us today,
08:54more than 5 months,
08:55because we will be able to review
08:59how committed Pérez and Caillabas are in this matter,
09:03not because of the accident theory,
09:06but because of another series of clues
09:09that Hector Rodríguez himself is telling
09:12at the time.
09:13The commissioner who speaks with Laudelina,
09:16and he, or someone, just by chance,
09:20records it to Laudelina,
09:21where Laudelina makes a spontaneous report,
09:24because it is assumed that she does not know that they are recording her,
09:27in terms similar to what she would later declare
09:29in her first version before the court,
09:31the famous accident theory.
09:34That's why, that's Commissioner Hector Rodríguez,
09:37the one who tells her,
09:38they are coming to lynch her,
09:40he comes to tell her,
09:41well, we guarantee you safety,
09:43stay calm,
09:44we will take care of you.
09:46What happened?
09:47And there she begins to tell.
09:49And sorry,
09:50to be honest,
09:51and to be honest with the audience,
09:53one does not know
09:55if the shipment of Laudelina to that place
09:57could not have some kind of operation
09:59to pressure her in this way
10:01and to say this.
10:02I say,
10:03you have to suspect everything.
10:05Let's see, let's listen to you, Ale,
10:07touring this space,
10:09today central in the investigation,
10:11now in a little while we will explain to you more why,
10:14but this is how the investigation of Ale Pueblas
10:18in the place
10:19regarding the home of Pérez y de Cayllaba.
10:23About this well,
10:24about this well that we are now,
10:27they were here.
10:32Let's go.
10:33These are two land of the Cayllaba owners,
10:35this one where they put the machines,
10:37the silo,
10:38there where they were putting together the house,
10:41that part, this is part, yes.
10:46Here is like an oven.
10:48Hey, here,
10:49look, here I go in,
10:50because if I have to run the yuyos,
10:52well, Diego,
10:54look down there,
10:55look, there is removed land,
10:57the dogs were still there,
10:58but look,
10:59look at the image that Diego is going to give you,
11:01there are bags
11:03with removed land,
11:06like, like,
11:07it's weird there,
11:09and there is a lot of removed land,
11:10it's like an oven,
11:13yes, yes, that's below,
11:14it's like a cement construction
11:18and below is this entrance
11:20that they have not reached here,
11:21clearly, I tell you now,
11:24let's see, Diego,
11:26look at those bags
11:27and how the land is removed,
11:32it's like,
11:33it's like a lid of something
11:34with bags of nylon,
11:36bags
11:37put there,
11:40and like a place that I did not see
11:41on the day of the filling,
11:42that they had been,
11:43come, come, come,
11:44here is burned clothes,
11:45look, look,
11:46thrown here on the edge,
11:47there is a red shirt
11:49and clothes that are burned,
11:50that are burned,
11:51look.
11:55How incredible,
11:56how incredible
11:57what Ale Pueblas was showing us
11:58at that time,
12:00they are images that have been required
12:01by justice,
12:03the truth is that this place
12:04has been flooded many times,
12:05also the lagoons of Pérez y Cayllaba,
12:07because it must be said,
12:09the marriage was always on the lookout,
12:12Ale, I don't know if you agree with this,
12:18I don't know if it was on the lookout,
12:20the marriage,
12:21I think it was always protected,
12:23in one way or another,
12:26and I would like to know why,
12:28why so much power,
12:30is the marriage that is detained.
12:31But if it is protected,
12:33if you need so much protection,
12:36or if there are people who are
12:38operating in your favor,
12:40some degree of responsibility
12:41you can get to have,
12:43I say because if not,
12:45you don't go out to do,
12:47there are a series of elements
12:48and situations really
12:49very suspicious
12:50regarding the statements
12:51of Pérez y Cayllaba,
12:52and now we are going to analyze it,
12:54because there are contradictions
12:55that the police itself
12:57of Corrientes,
12:58in principle, points out,
12:59but of course,
13:00later we no longer know,
13:01because politics sometimes
13:02gets into these matters,
13:04and in the meantime,
13:05while they are thinking
13:06about an election,
13:07then each one throws water
13:08for his mill,
13:09I think that somehow
13:10that was happening,
13:11Ale, in Corrientes.
13:14Yes, and also,
13:16how everything that was
13:17around Pérez and Cayllaba
13:18happened, right?
13:20The car, the truck,
13:21the day we found
13:22the truck, unfortunately,
13:24without a strip in the box,
13:26and then, by chance,
13:27a box with blood
13:28appeared inside the box
13:30of the truck of Pérez
13:31and Cayllaba,
13:32well, situations
13:34in which they were,
13:36how can I explain it to you,
13:37they were covering
13:39mistakes with mistakes.
13:40Of course.
13:41And think that we,
13:43or out there,
13:44we were going to be able
13:45to show it and so on,
13:46here was,
13:47and they told you
13:48this wall is black,
13:49and everyone reported
13:50that the wall was black.
13:51Of course.
13:52And on top of that,
13:53when they put the time
13:54of what was reported,
13:56they put it wrong,
13:57and in fact,
13:58there are many elements
13:59of the raids
14:00that were carried out
14:01that are not reported,
14:03as Ale tells us.
14:04Jorge?
14:05No, I listen to
14:06Alejandro's story
14:09from the beginning,
14:10remember that he resigned
14:11as Minister of Security,
14:13and he tells a story,
14:15a decision,
14:16a decision of the police,
14:17a decision of the judges,
14:18prosecutors,
14:19etc., etc.,
14:21to the point that
14:22at one point they wanted
14:23to make us believe
14:24that a cougar
14:25or an alligator
14:26had eaten him.
14:27I remember
14:28seeing those images
14:29of Puebla
14:30and I wondered
14:31how could Ale
14:32enter that place,
14:33how could all
14:34that kind of thing
14:35be allowed,
14:36a total decision.
14:37And that decision,
14:38what I have been
14:39maintaining,
14:40was not
14:41out of ignorance,
14:43out of incapacity,
14:45for me it was
14:46to cover up
14:47the drug trafficking.
14:48And to answer
14:49what Ale says,
14:50what Ale wonders,
14:51in line with
14:52what Jorge Alarcon
14:53also says,
14:54look,
14:55here I can make it
14:56very graphic for you,
14:57why so much protection?
14:59It is not the reason
15:00why we had asked for it,
15:01later we are going to
15:02go through this
15:03in the function of
15:04Laudelina,
15:05but if you see,
15:06these are the seven detainees,
15:07and there are two sectors
15:08that are clearly
15:09of a different profile,
15:10because one thing
15:11is Laudelina,
15:12Benitez,
15:13Ramírez and Mishapi,
15:14but here
15:15the Pérez and Caillaba
15:16marriage
15:17has a different profile,
15:18they have different
15:19links,
15:20they have a
15:21professional
15:22and a different
15:23history.
15:24So,
15:25let's see,
15:26if someone
15:27covers them up,
15:28if that were the case,
15:29why so much
15:30covering up,
15:31why so much
15:32taking care of them
15:33for some time,
15:34is Ale's question,
15:35well,
15:36because above them
15:37there is something
15:38different than for
15:39the rest of the detainees,
15:40so much we could
15:41say about Maciel
15:42too,
15:43because he is a
15:44commissioner,
15:45but the commissioner
15:46and especially the
15:47marriage,
15:48if one says,
15:49who can be
15:50interested in
15:51taking care of them,
15:52in covering them up,
15:53in that the investigation
15:54does not affect them
15:55too much,
15:56well, people
15:57more important in
15:58the structure of
15:59political power,
16:00heavier,
16:01who want things
16:02to stop there,
16:03because protecting
16:04them is protecting
16:05themselves.
16:06Let's see,
16:07Ale,
16:08five months
16:09ago you were
16:10talking about
16:11the truth,
16:12as Gallego said,
16:13although it was
16:14a shorter time,
16:15how do you see
16:16the cause today,
16:17the continuity of
16:18it?
16:19No,
16:20it is difficult
16:21when you stumble
16:22so much at the
16:23beginning,
16:24to solve at the
16:25end,
16:26it is difficult
16:27everything that
16:28has been done
16:29wrong,
16:30to try to
16:31solve it now,
16:32without a doubt
16:33that all the
16:34people who
16:35were at lunch
16:36for me,
16:37they have to
16:38give me
16:39an explanation,
16:40I estimate that
16:41two people are
16:42missing,
16:43of which it
16:44would be good
16:45for them to be
16:46looking at a
16:47wall a little
16:48to see if they
16:49remember anything
16:50else,
16:51the amount of
16:52lies they
16:53said,
16:54including
16:55Camila,
16:56including
16:57Macarena,
16:58Macarena
16:59who came to
17:00give a note
17:01with a sheet
17:02written with
17:03the red
17:04chalk that
17:05the American
17:06had written
17:07in the
17:08middle of the
17:09wall.
17:10And
17:11there are people
17:12who are
17:13missing
17:14explanations,
17:15there are people
17:16who still have to
17:17explain things.
17:18Very well,
17:19very well,
17:20surely Ale,
17:21thank you
17:22Alejandro
17:23Pueblas,
17:24a journalist
17:25colleague here
17:26at A24,
17:27who has been
17:28covering for
17:29quite a long
17:30time on the
17:31field,
17:32so it is
17:33interesting to
17:34always talk
17:35with him,
17:36that when you make that tour in the place,
17:38you understand the dimensions, you understand the spaces.
17:41Let's go back to this point. Let's go back to the Odelina.
17:43Always the Odelina.
17:44Always the Odelina.
17:45Always the Odelina.
17:46Because I want to show you that first message later,
17:49which is where it all begins, let's say.
17:52And then I want to go, that's how we're preparing it,
17:56to fragments of Rodriguez's statement.
17:59Commissioner Rodriguez.
18:01And you're going to see all the suspicions there are,
18:03not so much about this woman, who is also under suspicion,
18:06but about these two that we were talking about with Ale Pueblas.
18:09And let's go back to the Odelina from the audios,
18:11which exclusively here in Cuando Donde,
18:13showed you that we have in its entirety
18:15the audios of the conversation that it has,
18:17spontaneous, without knowing that they are recording it,
18:19with a high police chief.
18:21It comes from almost lynching her.
18:22It's that day.
18:23Then the commissioner takes advantage of that situation.
18:25Some even suspect, Pablo, at that time,
18:29if maybe people would discover her in that hotel
18:33where he discovered her that night,
18:35it was not something that was left to transcend,
18:37it slipped so that she lived the moment she lived.
18:40They take her out in the middle of almost a lynching.
18:43He says, hey, look at what just happened to you,
18:46we're going to protect you, we're going to take care of you.
18:48But talk, tell us what happened that day.
18:51And there she begins to relate the issue
18:53that shoots towards Pérez y Caillaba.
18:55So why do we go back to her?
18:57Because if you try to establish connection vectors
19:01among the seven detainees,
19:03the only one, the only one,
19:05who has direct contacts and links with everyone else is her.
19:09Some among them, no.
19:11Because Ramírez and Millapi,
19:13especially the link through the men,
19:15Ramírez, Fierrito, is a very good friend of Benítez.
19:18Yes, but he doesn't know Maciel,
19:20or Pérez, or Caillaba.
19:22He doesn't know Pérez and Caillaba.
19:23I don't know about Caillaba.
19:25He knows Caillaba.
19:27He knows Caillaba.
19:29Because she's a nurse.
19:30But not with Pérez.
19:31In fact, it's annoying, if we think about it,
19:33it's annoying to say,
19:35oh, there are more people we don't know at this lunch.
19:37As if that situation already predisposes him badly.
19:39Now, Laudelina is the real host.
19:43Because you can tell us that Catalina lost her cell phone
19:46one day when she went to town to collect her retirement
19:48or to do some paperwork.
19:50She asked San Antonio to give it back to her.
19:53They found it.
19:54In gratitude, she sacrifices a couple of chickens
19:56and makes a stew with some pasta.
19:58She wants to thank him.
19:59And when she wants to thank him,
20:00why?
20:01This is her aulic circle.
20:02This is her closest circle.
20:04Who does she call?
20:05And who are we sending messages to for this call?
20:08To Laudelina.
20:09To Laudelina.
20:10Bobby.
20:11And in some cases,
20:12also in combination with Benítez,
20:14because Benítez is a very good friend of Fierrito Ramírez.
20:16Yes, in fact, he insisted.
20:17In fact, he insisted that she go,
20:18with the health problem she had,
20:20her brother,
20:21she didn't know if she was going to go.
20:22And it's Benítez who insists that same morning,
20:24passing by Fierrito's house to say,
20:26come on, Benítez,
20:27well, okay,
20:28let's make an effort,
20:29let's go,
20:30let's go there.
20:31But it is Laudelina who calls,
20:32becomes a host,
20:33sends messages,
20:34cooks,
20:35serves the table.
20:37Yes,
20:38and I want to say one thing.
20:40We are now going to remember the first chat,
20:42the one that opened the game.
20:43We presented it in this exclusive program,
20:45at that time.
20:46We are going to present it.
20:48I want to tell you one thing.
20:51The times we supposedly talk about Catalina's phone,
20:55when it turned on,
20:56when a message was deleted,
20:58when someone from that phone called.
21:01To think that she only used Catalina,
21:03that phone,
21:04is a mistake.
21:06It's a mistake.
21:07That's why Catalina's phone comes into focus,
21:10and you'll see why.
21:12The suspicion is that many of those times,
21:14that she does something from that phone,
21:16in reality,
21:17it's Laudelina who does it,
21:18not her own grandmother.
21:20From the beginning,
21:21I want to tell you that this last thing,
21:23eating the chicken,
21:24was a matter of discussion for a long time,
21:27because many say that the chicken has to do with a code
21:31related to minors,
21:35to pedophilia,
21:36that kind of thing.
21:37We didn't know about it,
21:38but it's true that there is a code,
21:40a nomenclature,
21:41at least in images,
21:42in this sinister world.
21:44And pedophilia theory,
21:45that when one says,
21:46well, but why would they have abducted the child?
21:49Even the querella.
21:50She has questioned the new querella so much,
21:52the new one,
21:53the Galician one,
21:54that she has questioned other things so much,
21:56she does not rule out that the reason for the abduction
21:59was that.
22:00Now, let's suppose it's not that.
22:01Let's say it's not.
22:02It's literal,
22:03and a glass of water is a glass of water.
22:04Yes, look.
22:05But the truth is that she is the one who summons.
22:06Hello, good morning, my dear, how are you?
22:08Mrs. Catalina says
22:09that she invites you tomorrow at noon
22:11to eat the chicken.
22:13Well, I'm going with my husband.
22:15What do we have?
22:16Maria Victoria Callejava says.
22:17Well, give him what he's going to drink.
22:19A petaca too.
22:20She says to him,
22:21in addition to what he is going to drink,
22:22he is going to take a petaca too.
22:24And supposedly he takes it.
22:25Almost, nothing would have happened.
22:27It is an absolutely normal invitation.
22:29But what does it indicate?
22:30Is it Catalina who invites Pérez and Callejava?
22:33No, it's Laudelina.
22:35We had shown you with this text.
22:40Now, I want to go, I want to jump.
22:43Sorry, and here you make a reminder.
22:46A reminder of something that was discussed last week.
22:48Because if there is a more rustic plan,
22:51less rustic,
22:52and if there was something organized,
22:54who has the capacity to organize?
22:56Of all these,
22:57who do you think has the capacity to organize?
22:59Eh?
23:00Well, the invitation had already been conducted previously.
23:04A week before.
23:05So this is simply a reminder.
23:08Why?
23:09Because if there is something organized
23:11to leave this meeting with some minor,
23:13whether it is LOAN or another,
23:15there was already a plan in motion long before.
23:18Good.
23:19Let's start then with this first audio,
23:21which yesterday we had already shown you,
23:23but it is interesting to be able to
23:25elucidate what we want to tell you,
23:28which has to do precisely ...
23:31No, give me the one from Laudelina.
23:33The first one from Laudelino.
23:34With the commissioner.
23:35Yes, talking to Rodríguez,
23:38to be able to start healing
23:40and somehow give a chronology
23:42of situations that were happening
23:43so that we can understand it.
23:45Listen to it.
23:46I wanted to leave his house early.
23:50And the father, as he was eating,
23:52drinking and chatting,
23:54he didn't give him back.
23:55And he left with the other boys to your mother.
23:58And there, when the phone rings,
24:00he tells me that LOAN was missing,
24:02that he came.
24:08Well, there he listened, right?
24:10And what he was telling me is that
24:12Pérez and Caillabas were leaving this lunch.
24:15You know that supposedly ...
24:17Well, no, there was a game between River and Riestra.
24:20And supposedly Pérez and Caillabas wanted to leave early.
24:22It just so happens that the moment they leave
24:25is the moment when LOAN is missing
24:27and they already knew that the boy was not there.
24:30And it also coincides with a blackout on July 9.
24:34And it also coincides precisely with the movement
24:36of Laudelina towards El Camino del Naranjal,
24:39where she sees, at 200, 250 meters,
24:42that Pérez and Caillabas' truck is braking.
24:45They both get out.
24:47They would have grabbed something, someone,
24:49supposedly LOAN.
24:51They put it in the box.
24:52She turns around,
24:54Pérez, I mean, Caillabas,
24:55and tells Laudelina.
24:56Because she saw Laudelina.
24:57Because she sees her.
24:58And she would have told him,
25:00we took him to the hospital,
25:01stay calm,
25:02I call the police.
25:05Now I want you to remember
25:07what I just told you.
25:08And now let's go to Rodríguez's testimony.
25:10Because you are going to understand
25:11the thread that we are trying to show you.
25:13Can you let me underline something
25:14before getting into this?
25:17We always emphasize,
25:19she is a municipal official.
25:21As much as she receives the call,
25:23Laudelina,
25:24where we supposedly have to believe
25:26that they are saying,
25:27no, he is already on the move,
25:29come and get him.
25:31They supposedly tell us that
25:32he got lost,
25:33he went back home.
25:35Notice that he has to be on his way.
25:37You want to go see a football match.
25:39As much as you are a football player,
25:40as much as you want to see a football match,
25:43don't you stay to wait before you go?
25:46I ask you from the common sense.
25:48You in your daily life,
25:49you at home,
25:50you are in a club,
25:51you are at a friend's house,
25:52you are visiting.
25:53You hear that a five-year-old boy got lost.
25:56Are you going to go see a football match?
25:58Or even when you think,
26:00hey, he didn't get lost,
26:01he's just coming this way.
26:03Don't you stay to wait for the boy to arrive?
26:05Are you really going to leave
26:07being a municipal official?
26:09And if you don't forget,
26:10it doesn't matter what you do,
26:12you are a dresser, you are retired,
26:13whatever.
26:14Are you going to leave a house
26:16where a boy could have been lost?
26:19Until the boy doesn't show up,
26:20are you going to leave?
26:21Well, I wanted to underline that.
26:23Very well.
26:24Notice what Hector Rodriguez,
26:26the commissioner of justice, said.
26:28I am the head of the Computer Crimes Division.
26:30I am the head of the Computer Crimes Division
26:32of the Corrientes Police.
26:33Therefore, the prosecutor Castillo
26:35summons me on a Thursday
26:36after a week of having initiated
26:38and taking into account
26:40the disappearance of the minor.
26:41We are talking about June 20, approximately.
26:43Very important police chief
26:45of the province that is above Maciel.
26:48Above Maciel.
26:49The investigation began
26:51in view of the possibility
26:52that there was a crime commission.
26:55For this, the suspicions of a group of people
26:58as the days went by and did not advance,
27:01the possibilities of the boy
27:03having gone by himself
27:05and being lost were exhausted.
27:07Drones were used,
27:08scanners on the lagoon
27:10to detect the aquatic fauna of that area
27:13because it could have been preyed upon
27:15by some of the bugs
27:17that were in the lagoon.
27:18Notice what Rodriguez said
27:20before the court.
27:21Why were all these trips
27:23with drones and staff made?
27:27Because the police is an auxiliary of the justice.
27:30So, the directives that are given to him
27:32in the first 48 hours,
27:35a reasonable time,
27:36is a lost child,
27:38a lost child.
27:39That is why he explains
27:40that in principle the focus was this.
27:42But notice that a week has passed
27:44since the disappearance of the child
27:46and they start doing these scanners
27:48and drones on the lagoons
27:49and they talk about these animals
27:53that Jorge always tells us,
27:55the alligator and all this.
27:56Now, pay attention to this,
27:57it is very important.
28:00Rodriguez says,
28:01the dogs gave reference
28:02about the Ford Ranger
28:04that the child would have been in that vehicle,
28:06the drone scanner.
28:08The prosecutor takes knowledge of these scanners
28:10and recreates the arrest of Pérez and Cayllaba.
28:13Thus, because of these scanners,
28:14they end up arrested.
28:16Notice how the suspicion
28:18about Pérez and Cayllaba follows.
28:20Within the spectrum of the communications,
28:22it seems that Benítez
28:24gave immediate news
28:25that the child was lost.
28:27When one analyzes this story,
28:29each one makes reference
28:30and tells which was the direction
28:32and where they went.
28:34By 2.40 p.m., Pérez and Cayllaba
28:37were still in Catalina's house.
28:39According to those present,
28:41among them the minors,
28:42they had already been inside for at least 15 minutes.
28:46The child had left that observation area
28:49where he had gone, blah, blah.
28:51And here it begins,
28:53and now we will continue later,
28:55with the cross of calls
28:56and the geolocation of Pérez and Cayllaba
28:58to explain to you
29:00that they find it very suspicious
29:02that Pérez and Cayllaba say
29:04that they called the police from the house
29:06while they were making the tour on the road.
29:10And there, of course,
29:12the warning lights
29:13regarding Pérez and Cayllaba.
29:15Tell me what we continue with.
29:17Let's listen to them.
29:19So now,
29:20regarding what they say about the truck,
29:23and always remember that these people say
29:25that it was from the house
29:27that the police made the call.
29:28Listen to them.
29:29We have been unreported
29:31since yesterday.
29:33He has asked for ours.
29:35I wanted to add a couple of things
29:38to the story she just made.
29:40For example, she told us
29:42that on Friday,
29:44when we went to Corrientes,
29:45we went in the car,
29:47not in the truck.
29:48The truck was always in our parking lot.
29:52So there was a lie
29:54regarding the fact that we went
29:55first on Thursday,
29:57that we took the truck
29:58and brought it washed.
29:59The truck was always here.
30:00Because what the neighbors say
30:01is that they washed the truck.
30:03That's why, correct.
30:04The truck was here,
30:05we went in the car,
30:06and it was washed,
30:08sorry, it was in the shed
30:10and it is still with the dirt
30:12that it always has
30:13because we use it to walk in the field.
30:16Well, I want to go back
30:18because hearing it from above
30:19is one thing,
30:20when you hear it for the second time
30:21it is another.
30:22Let's remember,
30:23these people say
30:24they called the police
30:25once they were at home,
30:26when in reality
30:27the police themselves say
30:29they couldn't have come
30:30to their house to call.
30:31And at the same time,
30:32how can it be,
30:33and that's what Rodríguez
30:34keeps saying,
30:35that they look under the truck
30:36for a baby
30:37after doing 15 kilometers?
30:39This is very strange,
30:40Rodríguez himself says,
30:41pointing out that there are
30:43inconsistencies related
30:44to Pérez and Callejava.
30:46And on top of that,
30:47they give interviews
30:48and when they give them,
30:49they commit failed acts.
30:51When they talk on the phone,
30:52the same thing happens to them
30:53and this was also analyzed
30:54in the case.
30:56Let's reiterate
30:57what you just heard,
30:58the failure of Pérez
30:59and his truck.
31:00Listen.
31:01We have been incommunicado
31:02since yesterday.
31:04He has lost ours.
31:06I, to the story
31:08that she just made,
31:09I wanted to add
31:10a couple of things.
31:11For example,
31:12she told us
31:13that on Friday,
31:14when we went to Corrientes,
31:16we were in the car,
31:17not in the truck.
31:19The truck was always
31:20in our parking lot.
31:23So there has been a lie
31:25regarding that we went
31:26first on Thursday,
31:27that we took the truck
31:28and that we brought it
31:29washed.
31:30The truck was always here.
31:31Because what the neighbors
31:32say is that they washed
31:33the truck.
31:34That's right.
31:35The truck was here,
31:36we were in the car
31:37and it was washed,
31:38sorry,
31:39it was in the shed
31:40and it is still
31:42with the dirt
31:43that it always has
31:44because we use it
31:45to walk in the field.
31:46How is the mind,
31:47right?
31:48Because there are
31:49two failures,
31:50there are two failures.
31:51The other day
31:52one happened to me.
31:53There are two failures
31:54in less than 15 seconds.
31:55Did you hear it?
31:56Did you see where
31:57the failure is?
31:58Because first it says
31:59they brought the truck
32:00washed.
32:01Then it says
32:02the truck was washed
32:03and finally it says
32:04it had the dirt
32:05from before.
32:06Therefore,
32:07this is another
32:08lie.
32:09Therefore,
32:10this is another
32:11of the elements
32:12that was taken
32:13for justice
32:14but in the only one
32:15because they had also
32:16declared,
32:17Pérez and Cayllaba,
32:18in the province's justice
32:19and where also
32:20contradictions appear,
32:21Bobby.
32:22Yes,
32:23in an important sense
32:24one,
32:25which is when
32:26supposedly they
32:27give a hand again
32:28in the search,
32:29they make stories
32:30of having met
32:31with different people.
32:32María Victoria Cayllaba
32:33says she met
32:34in the famous tapera,
32:35the abandoned school,
32:36with María
32:37and
32:38Pérez says
32:39it was with
32:40Laudelina
32:41and that is where
32:42it would have happened,
32:43according to Laudelina,
32:44the supposed
32:45delivery
32:46maneuver
32:47of the boot.
32:48Therefore,
32:49that is also
32:50an important
32:51contradiction
32:52and it is also
32:53striking that
32:54while she is waiting
32:55because you see
32:56that she is waiting
32:57everywhere,
32:58the one who gets off
32:59is her.
33:00They go to the hospital
33:01because she has a cough,
33:02he does not accompany her,
33:03you see,
33:04he never gets off.
33:05He is going to take her
33:06there to the search,
33:07to the hospital
33:08and that the son
33:09of Laudelina
33:10gets on
33:11and he is there
33:12longer
33:13than the one
33:14who would complete
33:15the distance
33:16to the house
33:17of Grandma Catalina.
33:18Now this man
33:19who has a flat foot,
33:20he never gets off
33:21the truck,
33:22he never collaborates
33:23in a search,
33:24he always seems
33:25to be at a prudent
33:26distance
33:27driving other springs
33:28of the situation.
33:29Yes,
33:30in fact,
33:31the moment
33:32he collaborated
33:33he said,
33:34and the statement
33:35said it,
33:36that he is a man
33:37with a past
33:38in a force,
33:39right?
33:40Yes,
33:41yes,
33:42many contradictions
33:43have been found
33:44and of course
33:45there is also
33:46information circulating
33:47about Pérez,
33:48we had told you
33:49something,
33:50who also has
33:51and responds
33:52to situations
33:53with important
33:54links
33:55after his journey
33:56through the army.