📢 LOAN: HABLÓ LA GRAFÓLOGA: "HAY ALGUNA RAZÓN MÁS POR LA QUE LEZCANO ESTÁ AHÍ"
👉 Se cuestiona la validez del pericia grafológica realizada en el caso de la desaparición de Loan Danilo Peña. Las firmas analizadas pertenecen a tres personas que estaban en el lugar previo a su desaparición. Se señala que el informe fue fraguado y robado por María Luisa Lezcano, quien habría concluido un curso en el Instituto de Grafología Forense.
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👉 Se cuestiona la validez del pericia grafológica realizada en el caso de la desaparición de Loan Danilo Peña. Las firmas analizadas pertenecen a tres personas que estaban en el lugar previo a su desaparición. Se señala que el informe fue fraguado y robado por María Luisa Lezcano, quien habría concluido un curso en el Instituto de Grafología Forense.
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00:00I made a comment a little while ago about the validity of the graphological survey that was done on the signatures of Antonio Benítez, the uncle of Loan, of Mónica Millapi and of Daniel Fierrito Ramírez.
00:18I repeat, for the umpteenth time, although five months have passed, we do not all have to know who it is.
00:24They are the three people who were at the orange grove prior to the disappearance of Loan. That is why they are impeached and detained.
00:33I made a comment about the graphological survey that was done on the signatures of Olga Cortese, that this report was flawed.
00:44Maria Luisa Lescano, outside of the court, said that the report was flawed.
00:54Now I understand that they joined the court.
00:59It was as if I had lowered the price of the role of a graphological expert.
01:05Far from that, the only thing I said is that for me it did not contribute anything to the cause.
01:10In fact, neither the provincial nor the federal courts asked for a report of that caliber.
01:15The Supreme Court asked for a report on graphological experts, which does not exist, it is not a science for the law.
01:23Ah, I didn't know.
01:24You can't ask for a graphological expert.
01:26I haven't studied that subject yet.
01:29Olga Cortese, the lawyer, has said that she wants to go public.
01:38That is why she has the right to reply.
01:44In fact, we have brought a graphologist to the program, but I think that in addition to her statement,
01:49everything that is happening now in the Loan Cause has to do with her sincerity in front of the judges,
01:56in front of the prosecutors, to say,
01:58I was sent these audios, those of Laudelina with General Rodriguez,
02:02and that is why everyone is giving explanations in the cause.
02:05In fact, Gallego says that this is a revelation in the cause,
02:09but it is better to have it firsthand, the version of Mrs. Cortese.
02:16I am Diego Esteves, you are watching the program.
02:20Good afternoon.
02:22I am not a doctor or a lawyer.
02:24What specialty do you have?
02:26I am a graphologist.
02:28What specialty do you have?
02:30I dedicate myself to forensic areas.
02:32What I do is criminal profiling.
02:34And what do you study?
02:36Maria Luisa Lescano, the Mendoza woman, said,
02:43I am a specialist in the search of people in Altura.
02:47And specialized people say to me,
02:49there is no course or specialty of that kind.
02:55Where do you study to be a graphologist?
02:57How old are you?
02:59I am three years old.
03:01Are you a tertiary?
03:04No, I am not.
03:06What happens is that, as the doctor just said,
03:08my voice is hoarse.
03:10I don't know if I can ...
03:12Remove the return.
03:14I can't hear what he says.
03:16We can hear you perfectly.
03:18Yes, I can hear you.
03:20What the doctor just explained,
03:22which is not yet approved by the court,
03:24we in Cordoba do have graphologists within the court.
03:28I don't know how they will be handled in other provinces.
03:32According to the Cordoban Procedural Code.
03:34In the province of Cordoba, there are graphologists
03:38who, by random, analyze as an official expert.
03:42Perfect.
03:44They can be official experts.
03:46I am a partial expert.
03:48And do you work for the Court of Cordoba?
03:50In other cases?
03:52No, I work ... I am a partial expert.
03:54Okay, hired.
03:56Of course.
03:58Olga, can I talk to you?
04:01Yes, of course.
04:03Did you do a graphological expertise on the signature?
04:07No.
04:09It is not an expertise.
04:11That is the mistake that everyone is making.
04:13Because what Alescano does ...
04:15Maria Luisa Alescano,
04:17the one from Mendoza,
04:19who supposedly called her Maciel,
04:21this woman fell,
04:23who we are seeing in images,
04:25who never explained to Ciencias Ciertas
04:27if she said she was a soldier,
04:29if she was not a soldier.
04:31She has an open cause.
04:33She said she did not have an open cause.
04:35The cause was open
04:37and was overseen by prescription in Neuquén.
04:39And that's the one that stole ...
04:41What is the graphological exam you did
04:43on Benitez's signature?
04:45It is a profiling, nothing more,
04:47which was even cut out
04:49and was sent without data
04:51that I had put important
04:53due to the lack of material.
04:55But Olga, how is Carlos greeting you?
04:58Who told you to do it?
05:00Well, that's what I wanted to explain.
05:02She tells me she was working there.
05:04Until the moment I assumed
05:06that she was a lawyer
05:08and that she was as an expert
05:10as an investigation.
05:12I do not know what she had said it was.
05:14She tells me that they call her
05:16to work there,
05:18that Maciel and the prosecutor
05:20ask her for graphological examinations
05:22and I told her,
05:24I can not do a graphological exam
05:26because I have to be in the place,
05:28take the ...
05:30The graphological exam is something else.
05:32And then I tell her,
05:34I can make you a report
05:36with the material she sent me,
05:38which were the signatures,
05:40nothing more.
05:42Olga, it is very relevant
05:44what you are saying, Olga.
05:46Lescano presents himself
05:48because supposedly someone
05:50calls her in the cause.
05:52And well, that's why
05:55And from Corrientes
05:57sends you information to Cordoba
05:59for you to analyze it.
06:01And you, that I respect,
06:03because in one of those,
06:05even for civil interest,
06:07you can, well, I'll analyze it
06:09and I'll send it to you.
06:11And what does she do with that?
06:15Well, she changes her name.
06:17That's a falsification of a document.
06:19Exactly.
06:21And usurpation of title.
06:23And did you report her?
06:25I made the complaint here.
06:27I mean, I didn't report her,
06:29I talked to my lawyer.
06:31And well, what happens is that
06:33at that time the cause was not federal.
06:35So she had a home in Mendoza,
06:37I in Cordoba,
06:39and this cause was in Corrientes.
06:41So he told me,
06:43he's going to fall into a vacuum
06:45because you can't ...
06:47Do you know what happens, Olga?
06:49Your lawyer, here is Dr. Saker,
06:52has to preserve your good name.
06:54If you know that someone
06:56usurped a title of yours,
06:58your signature, a job you did,
07:00you present yourself to any prosecutor
07:02and say, look, I know someone is doing this.
07:04Why didn't you make a complaint
07:06as it should be?
07:08Because I asked my lawyer
07:10and that's what he recommended to me,
07:12to leave it like that or to send a letter of document.
07:14As I knew that the letters of documents
07:16that were sent to this person
07:18were not received or signed or anything.
07:20You leave a record if you send a letter.
07:22At least with a letter of document
07:24there is the record that you have nothing to do
07:26and that you did not work within the LOAN cause
07:28from any point of view.
07:30Because you know that Lescano ...
07:32Do you know that there were 10 detainees
07:34for hindering the cause?
07:36The investigation?
07:38Yes.
07:40Lescano is going in the same direction.
07:42Look, I'm going to tell you
07:44in this part.
07:46For the only reason
07:49that I continued with this.
07:51Because I also heard
07:53a lawyer or a journalist
07:55who said that ...
07:57Even a believing lawyer
07:59who said, it's like seeing
08:01who is better
08:03or who is expert or who is not.
08:05What I least want is fame.
08:07Very clear.
08:09I had abandoned this
08:11regarding Lescano
08:13and when she reappears
08:15on TV
08:17I understood that there is some other reason
08:19why she is there.
08:21It does not matter.
08:23My experience, my report,
08:25it does not matter what I have done.
08:27And how does Olga Lescano contact you?
08:29How do you get there?
08:31Because she enrolled in our institute.
08:33I have an orthological institute
08:35and she enrolls there.
08:37She likes to study at Lescano.
08:39She does not finish any degree, but she likes to study.
08:41But she never took a course.
08:43She thought she was a lawyer
08:46and I also made the mistake
08:48of not seeing her.
08:50Because she enrolls in an institute
08:52where I used to teach.
08:54Then I open my institute
08:56and a lot of people came with me.
08:58That's why I also heard
09:00that in six months they received ...
09:02No, my students have been four years
09:04in my institute with me.
09:06They have changed places.
09:08Hi, Lucia. How are you?
09:10Do you know a colleague
09:12who has had something similar
09:14in a shared childhood NGO
09:16where she worked
09:18as a lawyer.
09:20Well, they seem to know
09:22that she was not a lawyer.
09:24I also investigated
09:26in several law schools
09:28and I never got the enrollment.
09:30But I can not say that there is not.
09:32She says that ...
09:34What happened to Lescano?
09:36He said he was a military man,
09:38but he was not a military man.
09:40He said he was a graphologist,
09:43He declared the woman ...
09:46Yes, he declared ...
09:48In what was left?
09:50The source we consulted ...
09:52The judge even took some
09:54of the tests ...
09:56Now, I will use the conditional ...
09:58Would have said
10:00to incorporate some of the works
10:02carried out by Lescano
10:04to the file
10:06from the judge,
10:08which was to send
10:10all the titles to the court.
10:12What title is she going to send? The description, the course of graphology?
10:16Wait, Diego. Supposedly, what she had said before the trial,
10:20that she is a lawyer received, I think, in Europe.
10:23I think precisely in Italy, she had said.
10:26But you have to make the equivalence of the title.
10:29Of course, I don't know anything here.
10:32In my institute, she worked as a lawyer.
10:37I made the mistake of never asking for her registration.
10:40Olga, I have relevant information.
10:45Yes, give me the alert.
11:01I just sent an image, Vani, to the group.
11:04Let's put it on the screen,
11:06because the information that Silvia Vieira gives me,
11:09a kiss, a friend of ours, a friend of the program,
11:13is that, listen carefully, Maria Luisa Lescano,
11:16the expert, I don't know what to call her,
11:19the expert, let's give her the title,
11:22the expert, Maria Luisa Lescano,
11:25would be traveling to Cordoba to file a complaint
11:29against the graphologist Olga Cortese,
11:34who is online now, because she says,
11:37I did receive, put the image,
11:40which is in the letter,
11:42don't tell me this is also a fake document
11:45that is circulating, that's why we have Olga Cortese,
11:48because supposedly this document is signed by her
11:51and would certify that Maria Luisa Lescano
11:56would have completed the course
12:01Instituto de Grafologia Forense Hipólito Michon,
12:05I understand what it is,
12:07to whom the director Olga Maria Cortese subscribes,
12:11who is with C, is it with C or with S?
12:14Yes, with C.
12:15It's with C, perfect, we also corrected it in the graph.
12:18From the Instituto de Grafologia Forense Hipólito Michon
12:22it is said that Miss Maria Luisa Lescano
12:27was graduated as a psychoanalyst
12:31and expert graphologist.
12:34Can I ask a question?
12:35Having covered all the credits required
12:37in the current study plan for a total of 13 years.
12:40Can I ask a question?
12:41But you are Cortese.
12:42But what do I care?
12:43I want to ask you a question,
12:45since you talk, talk, talk,
12:46let me ask you a question, old man.
12:48Ask, ask.
12:49Can I?
12:50I don't have time to talk alone, calm down.
12:52I'm leaving.
12:53No, no.
12:54Listen to me,
12:55I want to ask Perito the question,
12:59does he recognize a screen capture,
13:02the invention of the only hairy man in the world?
13:05But did you sign it, Olga?
13:07Did you sign that or not?
13:09No, what I'm going to explain to you
13:11is that this is not a certification.
13:14And what is it?
13:15This has no seal, it has nothing.
13:17The certificates that we give
13:20are certificates that have a QR code
13:23where you can enter and see all your faces as Perito.
13:26But to understand, to understand,
13:28and with this I am closing,
13:30to be able to understand,
13:32is this legal, Trucho?
13:34So that it is understood,
13:35is it apocryphal or is it not apocryphal?
13:38Yes, this is not a certification.
13:42What we are seeing now live.
13:44What I'm seeing live.
13:45The signature is mine, yes, the signature is mine.
13:47Did you send that document?
13:48Well, if you have access to the chats
13:51that I had with her,
13:52at one point she told me,
13:53give me the signature,
13:55digitized,
13:57that I will paste it all
13:58to make the reports that she asked me.
14:00Yes.
14:01But the document, Olga,
14:02so that it is clear.
14:03I leave it here, you see.
14:04But so that it is clear.
14:05The document that we are seeing now live.
14:08Yes.
14:09Did you do it?
14:11Did your organization do it?
14:13Or do you completely ignore it?
14:15Yes or no.
14:16Do you completely ignore the document?
14:18Let's see, I did the document,
14:20but without signing.
14:21Do you understand me?
14:22Why?
14:23Did you make this document?
14:24Yes, because I would have to explain to you
14:26everything before.
14:28But it is very strange then.
14:29You just said that she is not a graphologist,
14:31that she did not go to your institute.
14:32No.
14:33And now you say that you wrote this document.
14:35And with a date prior to the disappearance of Logan, right?
14:37Yes.
14:38Can I explain?
14:39Let me explain.
14:40Yes, of course.
14:41Because that was before.
14:42Why?
14:43Because we were doing,
14:44according to her,
14:45I was in the gendarmerie
14:46and we were doing a project for the gendarmerie.
14:48So she tells me that she is a specialist in graphology,
14:52that she had studied at the university.
14:54In what place?
14:55Well, sorry.
14:56It's a long story, but it doesn't have ...
14:58This is not a certification.
15:00No, we agree that it is not a certification.
15:03But you just said.
15:04And we were not signed.
15:05You just said that she went to your institute for a while
15:08and now a document appears in which your signature is.
15:11And a document that you recognize as having written,
15:14that you recognized three years of an expertise
15:18that you said you had.
15:20Well, Olga, you signed it there, Olga.
15:22Yes, I signed it there.
15:23Ah, well.
15:24Yes, but ...
15:25But she signed it against it.
15:27Yes, but because ...
15:28Let's see, I would like to explain
15:30what all this is about.
15:32Because she used it as a certification.
15:34It's not a certification.
15:35Okay, but you ...
15:36But you extend a paper
15:40where it says that
15:42so-and-so ended up with ...
15:44I didn't sign it.
15:46I didn't sign it.
15:47Okay, but you sent it, you told me the signature.
15:50Because it was for the reports of ...
15:53When I sent the LOA.
15:55When I sent the reports.
15:56But Olga, then there is a problem with the people of the organization.
15:59But on March 12th this is signed.
16:01Yes, yes, but the signature is digital
16:04and the paper is also digital.
16:06It's a crime.
16:07At one point you ...
16:08Okay, well.
16:09You will have to ...
16:10Again, another issue that you will have to deal with.
16:14We will do it tomorrow.
16:15Thank you, Olga, because it is noble that you go out in the open.
16:18You stepped on yourself.
16:20But well, the truth is that it is noble that one says ...
16:22No, no, no.
16:23No, no, no.
16:24Tell me, tell me.
16:27I could have been wrong.
16:29Let's see, wait a minute.
16:31I could have been wrong in doing this paper,
16:35but it has nothing to do with all this.
16:37Okay, okay.
16:38It has no certification.
16:40We can say that by involuntary error such a thing happened,
16:44as Rodríguez said.
16:45Yes, but this was long before this case,
16:49and I don't care that ...
16:51As I said, I put aside that she took out my report and everything,
16:55or that she made you go through Perito, the psychologist.
16:57She threatened me so much.
16:59Yes, a slap in the face.
17:00A slap in the face.
17:01Let's do one thing.
17:03Perito, you can go out in the open again tomorrow,
17:06because I have to go for a haircut now.
17:08Can we call you tomorrow?
17:09I want to know about the signature.
17:11You can wait, son.
17:12What conclusion does the signature have?
17:13Let's see.
17:14Can it be tomorrow?
17:16Yes, it is possible that yes.
17:19We are calling you tomorrow.
17:20Give me ...
17:21Is Bacejo?
17:22Wait, wait, don't cut me.
17:23Don't cut me.
17:24Ask Doc to always ...
17:25Dr. Bacejo, is he there?
17:29Tomorrow we will continue with you too,
17:31to continue chatting.
17:32I send you a greeting.
17:34Remember the request to the interview of Maciel.
17:36That.
17:37Don't forget it.
17:38That.
17:39Diego, Tarchecki is sending us the pause.
17:41Let's go.
17:42Up.