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00:00I'll see you in the next episode of Kashif Abbasi.
00:07Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:26Today is the 24th of November, which is the day when Tariq-e-Insaaf has announced a big protest.
00:36I am sure that all the discussion will revolve around that day.
00:39Today there was a press conference.
00:41My guests are present in the studio, Faisal Wada and Fawad Chaudhary.
00:46Fawad Chaudhary had the best remark.
00:49Fawad Chaudhary said that he feels that the opposition in the country is too small for Mr. Wada.
00:56Fawad Chaudhary said that he will challenge the United States directly.
00:58Fawad Chaudhary decided to challenge the United States in today's press conference.
01:02I want to hear what he has said.
01:04He wants to make Pakistan stand.
01:06Fawad Chaudhary said that it is enough.
01:08Fawad Chaudhary said that it is enough.
01:10Fawad Chaudhary said that it is enough.
01:12Fawad Chaudhary said that it is enough.
01:14Fawad Chaudhary said that it is enough.
01:16What did you say?
01:18I want to make all Pakistanis stand for the interference.
01:22We could not tolerate this interference.
01:24It is time that the assemblies move forward and stop these interference.
01:29It is not that someone bulldozes us and leaves us in the field.
01:32And we will sit on our feet like slaves.
01:35It is not like that.
01:36We will eat grass.
01:37No one should underestimate our self-respect.
01:39And no one should consider it our weakness.
01:41The big thing that Fawad Chaudhary repeated three times in this press conference
01:45was that the Americans got Imran Khan out.
01:48The regime change that was talked about by Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:53which has been denied by many people,
01:55Muslim League Moon and other opposition parties of that time.
01:58The establishment has been denying it.
02:00What did Fawad Chaudhary say?
02:01He said it three times in this press conference.
02:02Let's listen.
02:03I will definitely agree with what Imran Khan said
02:05that there was interference for regime change at that time.
02:08It was for Imran Khan.
02:09First you came to get him out.
02:11What do you want?
02:12We believe that what Mr. Khan said was right.
02:15So, Faisal Wada said this.
02:19Mr. Wada, did the Americans really get Imran Khan out?
02:22Who were the people who joined you from the Pakistani side?
02:25Thank you very much, Mr. Akash.
02:26Look, there is no other choice other than to believe what Mr. Khan was saying.
02:33That there was interference.
02:35And now the Republicans themselves are also saying that there was interference in the Biden regime.
02:38So, I am not saying this.
02:39Their own side is saying this.
02:41Number one.
02:42Number two is that our issue is that 20-30 years ago,
02:46they will come and send us to the dark ages.
02:49They will do this, they will do that.
02:51But today, if I turn around
02:53and if I have to put a list of accusations against America,
02:55they have become champions that human rights are being done and we are champions.
02:59So, what is happening in Palestine,
03:01the destruction of small innocent children.
03:04You know that it is America.
03:06So?
03:07I want to tell you some statements of your government.
03:11When Mr. Imran Khan used to put allegations,
03:13what advice did he get?
03:14I want to hear it once.
03:16Don't believe it, no matter what.
03:17Listen.
03:18You are such a child that you have taken the name of America in your innocence.
03:22And the loans that we take from the West,
03:25we are cursing them day and night.
03:27All these ventilators are attached to America's will.
03:30If America wants, all these drips or ventilators that we have at the moment,
03:34all of them go off.
03:35He will absolutely not call America.
03:37He has also put a question mark on the international relations of Pakistan.
03:42I have heard this for a few minutes.
03:44I am sure you will get a call by tonight.
03:46He will tell you.
03:47Mr. Wada, what have you done?
03:48All our ventilators are attached to his will.
03:51What will you do if they shut it down?
03:52But nowadays, you and Mr. Hamid Mir want to harass me.
03:55They call me my party.
03:56Okay.
03:57So, my party.
03:59Now I am alone.
04:01We were together.
04:02Now I remember that song.
04:04Where have you come?
04:05We used to walk together.
04:06Okay.
04:07So.
04:08The party is yours.
04:09You dance.
04:10No, you should keep that party out as well.
04:13It is a weighty party.
04:15You belong to a weighty party.
04:17These are just kids.
04:19The problem is that Kashid is on a serious note.
04:21Look, these are the champions of human rights.
04:24Okay.
04:26Naturally, he calls himself a superpower.
04:28And he still is.
04:29But,
04:31He doesn't receive a letter from the Congress in Palestine.
04:34Where kids are being killed.
04:36They endorse the Israeli actions.
04:38He didn't come to Kashmir.
04:40Then what should I believe in him?
04:41I was with Saddam for 25-30 years.
04:44We met and walked together.
04:45Then I said,
04:46weapons of mass destruction are with them.
04:48And I made a claim.
04:49Okay.
04:50I destroyed it.
04:51I still haven't found it.
04:52Okay.
04:53Then after that, in Afghanistan,
04:55leaving the equipment,
04:56you ran out.
04:57You said all the press conferences.
04:59The equipment,
05:00the helicopters,
05:01the gunships.
05:03But, no one does press conferences against America.
05:06I'll give you a small example.
05:08I was telling you before the program.
05:10A story was published on the front page of a newspaper.
05:12After writing this letter.
05:14That this letter,
05:16I mean,
05:17a futile exercise.
05:18There is no use of such an exercise.
05:20We don't believe in it.
05:21So, the next day,
05:22at the same place,
05:23from the side of the foreign office.
05:25And it was said,
05:26this is the position of the foreign office.
05:28The foreign office said,
05:29we don't have such an opportunity.
05:30We are not such big ruffians.
05:31So, I wanted to ask this.
05:32When you went to do a press conference in the morning,
05:34did anyone tell you to do a press conference?
05:36Or are you just passing by?
05:37Look, Mr. Kashyap,
05:38this is a matter of self-respect,
05:40self-integrity.
05:41Someone,
05:42hears the abuse of mother and sister.
05:44No one can hear.
05:45No one can hear.
05:46But you went because of this letter,
05:47the press conference.
05:48Look, this.
05:49You didn't do it on the last letter.
05:50No, I stood up on the last letter.
05:51Okay.
05:52I stood up.
05:53I stood up.
05:54Okay.
05:55And I think the entire parliament should stand up on this.
05:56Look,
05:57you can give advice,
05:58you can ease off,
05:59you can take care of each other.
06:00But don't forget that
06:01I am also located in that place,
06:02in Pakistan,
06:03which is my artery.
06:04There are a lot of people
06:05who are beating around your heart
06:06full of love,
06:07all around.
06:08Sir,
06:09they came to save Imran Khan
06:10because you said
06:11that maybe he was fine.
06:12You came to save Imran Khan.
06:13So,
06:14what is the purpose of saving him?
06:15No, no.
06:16Look,
06:17you removed him once.
06:18One accusation is this.
06:19Now,
06:20he has come once to save him.
06:21He has come?
06:22What is Congress writing?
06:23Congress is not writing for my father.
06:24Congress keeps writing.
06:25Sir,
06:26now,
06:27you are contradicting yourself.
06:28Now,
06:29you are saying that
06:30why should you do it from America?
06:31No one speaks.
06:32Look,
06:33I have made a very clear
06:34press conference.
06:35No,
06:36I have no objection to this.
06:37All for it.
06:38Speak,
06:39absolutely.
06:40Tell me,
06:41what do your old friends say about you?
06:42Look,
06:43Kashif,
06:44this is not the problem.
06:45Look,
06:46you insult the Prophet,
06:47our last Prophet,
06:48in the name of freedom of speech.
06:49Then you say
06:50that people should not react.
06:51Okay.
06:52I request you.
06:53Okay.
06:54So,
06:55these are wrong policies
06:56because of which
06:57there is destruction.
06:58Someone has to stand up
06:59and speak.
07:00There is no harm in speaking.
07:01If you speak,
07:02your dignity will say something.
07:03Okay.
07:04Okay.
07:05The driver also has to eat.
07:06I have nothing against it.
07:07I have nothing against it.
07:08I don't think
07:09that America
07:10is a very powerful country.
07:11So,
07:12I am not one of those.
07:13I am not one of those.
07:14Look,
07:15if they run well,
07:16then you run well.
07:17If they don't run well,
07:18then…
07:19That's right.
07:20I was just asking
07:21that you ask them
07:22because I am going to do it.
07:23I am just asking
07:24because I am going to do it.
07:25But this is very interesting.
07:26But…
07:27I will come to him now.
07:28He also said
07:29that whose message
07:30did he take inside.
07:31First, look at this.
07:32He has talked a lot
07:33about regime change
07:34that he said in this press conference
07:35three times
07:36that Imran Khan's government…
07:37No, but he is saying
07:38the right decision.
07:39Imran Khan said that.
07:40Republicans
07:41who have won the election
07:42are saying it themselves
07:43so he has no opinion on that.
07:44But look,
07:45this is a very interesting thing.
07:46Look,
07:47these are arguments
07:48that are being given
07:49against America.
07:50But the fact is
07:51that have we decided
07:52that we are against America
07:53or do we want to take on?
07:54Because look,
07:55India is our biggest enemy
07:56from America.
07:57The Minister of Defense
07:58came and said
07:59that we have killed
08:0020 people
08:01by entering into Pakistan.
08:02Our government is silent.
08:03They have not shown
08:04any respect for that.
08:05The amount of respect
08:06that we want to show
08:07in America,
08:08Pakistan
08:09on human rights
08:10violation
08:11India is saying
08:12that I have killed
08:1320 people
08:14in Pakistan.
08:15No one said anything.
08:16India is not coming
08:17to the Champions Trophy.
08:18India has not given
08:19any assurance
08:20to us.
08:21India is not coming
08:22to the Champions Trophy.
08:23India has not given
08:24any assurance to us.
08:25On India's
08:26small demand,
08:27we have stopped
08:28the Champions Trophy
08:29in Gilgit,
08:30Skardu
08:31and Muzaffarabad.
08:32We have stopped
08:33that.
08:34So the question arises
08:35that
08:36India did not
08:37complain to
08:38the ICC because of it.
08:39The question arises
08:40that
08:41we do not have
08:42any respect
08:43for India.
08:44But
08:45when America
08:46has universal rights
08:47for Pakistan's
08:48political rights.
08:49So,
08:50the problem
08:51I think Faisal openly criticizes the government, I think another criticism is that if you say
09:20the Tariq-e-Insaf lobby is so successful that half of the Congress, in fact one two-thirds
09:27of the Congress is speaking for it, but the government lobby of Pakistan is so weak that
09:34they could not manage it there. This means that your foreign office led by Ishaq Dar,
09:41the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan is so incompetent.
09:45It's a failure.
09:47If the government is getting embarrassed.
09:49You have changed the ambassador.
09:51Look, it's simple, whatever you say about the fight with America, you can't do it.
09:56This is something to be said and what Faisal has said today, historically there are no
10:01two opinions in it. Now the papers to bring Ayub Khan are out in the IAEA.
10:06Look at the book of Condoleezza Rice, what happened in the era of Benazir Bhutto,
10:10all that interference is a fact.
10:12The role of the army in Pakistan is a fact. Similarly, America is a fact.
10:17Similarly, Saudi Arabia is a fact. Similarly, China is a fact.
10:20So these are facts.
10:22Now the question arises that if America is serious in bringing Ayub Khan out,
10:31will it be able to stop the government?
10:33The answer is no.
10:34And there will be no benefit of this press conference.
10:36That's a problem.
10:37The problem is you have done this press conference.
10:39Let me tell you the last point.
10:41It's not that they have brought a key to the court and sent someone to open David Blum's case.
10:47It's a simple thing.
10:48Your total dependence is on the IMF and the World Bank.
10:51Even if our money is delayed, you still have time.
10:54So you have to stay within the framework.
10:59Just like you can't take on the army directly in Pakistan because it has its own reality.
11:04Similarly, you can't take on America directly in world politics.
11:08It has its own reality.
11:09You are right.
11:10So, whatever you have said in the press conference,
11:13as far as emotions are concerned, you are right.
11:15We all say that we should be free.
11:17But every policy is free when your economy is free.
11:22And like they said, our economy is not free.
11:25In this case, when you are doing this press conference,
11:28or whoever does this…
11:30Sir, you will get bored.
11:31They will say, what is this?
11:32Why are you fighting in small houses?
11:34Bring Congress here.
11:36But why would you do this press conference?
11:38Because it's been four days.
11:40Just because of boredom.
11:41Because of boredom.
11:42Because of boredom.
11:43But is this a serious response from our state to America?
11:48That don't do this to Imran Khan.
11:50Look, Mr. Kashyap, you are a good man.
11:52First, you showed me that your party is speaking.
11:56Then you established me.
11:59Then you established me.
12:02You made me a rock agent.
12:03You are good people.
12:04You can't say anything here.
12:05I will keep you in Pakistan.
12:06Okay, fine.
12:07We will make you an enemy in Pakistan.
12:09Look, Mr. Kashyap, this is not the issue.
12:11Look, the issue is that you can't be an individual and fight.
12:14You are not representing the government.
12:16You are not speaking on behalf of someone else.
12:17You are talking about your sentiments, your emotions.
12:19These are the emotions.
12:20Many people can tolerate abuse.
12:22Many people can't tolerate abuse.
12:23Okay?
12:24Now you say that it is your integrity or his integrity.
12:27My integrity asks the question that,
12:29the wrong policies you have,
12:33freedom of speech is there.
12:35When you attack our religion,
12:37there will be a fire in the country.
12:39Then you will say that you are freedom of speech.
12:41You will hit someone's car.
12:43You will insult his child in your country.
12:46Then you will say that this is freedom of speech.
12:48I am saying that this act is instigating towards violence.
12:51Your child is with you.
12:53You are in a foreign country.
12:54I come, I kick the door of the car.
12:56I abuse you.
12:57You have a small child with you.
12:58My and your differences will be 100 times.
13:00This is my ignorance.
13:01This is my ignorance.
13:02I am abusing your child.
13:03And there is no law.
13:05It doesn't act on it.
13:06There is an answer to it.
13:07It is freedom of speech.
13:08So, if this is the situation,
13:09he will also be thrown out.
13:10He will also abuse.
13:11And he will be beaten up.
13:12He will die.
13:13Someone will be hurt.
13:14Someone will be harmed.
13:15You talk so much about religion.
13:16I am not a religious angel.
13:18Okay?
13:19The police have beaten the children here and there.
13:21Okay?
13:22For two to three years.
13:23So, in that situation,
13:24I say that why do you come to that place?
13:26Why do you play with us?
13:27Okay?
13:29You are contradicting me.
13:31You are not contradicting the previous one.
13:32Sir, your real problem is Imran Khan.
13:34No, look, I don't have any problem.
13:35What do you mean?
13:36Look, listen to me.
13:37There is only one person who can solve Imran Khan's problem.
13:40Imran Khan sahab.
13:41The day he will realize that he has taken things in his own hands.
13:44You told me that there is complete leadership.
13:46I also sent a picture of you.
13:48You run that picture of leadership.
13:50Half of it is sitting in London, America.
13:51And the rest are in KP's house.
13:53They have not made a part of Islamabad, Pakistan.
13:55There is no Sindh, there is no Karachi, there is no Punjab.
13:57Do you agree with that?
13:58Look, sir, give me an honest opinion.
13:59Everyone is hiding in the bills.
14:00Okay, you keep eating in the province.
14:03But can I, can I,
14:04very honestly, because we were commenting on the picture.
14:07That picture is of KPK's leadership.
14:09In that, most of the leadership,
14:11because there is Pashtun, there is KPK.
14:12But Islamabad and Lahore are also sitting there.
14:14But, but, I, I know,
14:16that's why I know personally,
14:17that in that, I spoke to Mehman Kureshi.
14:19I spoke to her yesterday when she was in Lahore.
14:21Hadija Shah's picture is there.
14:22I was watching it that day.
14:23My brother Shah Mehmood Qureshi's press conference,
14:25did you hear?
14:26What did he say?
14:27We are also in jail.
14:28We are in Lahore.
14:29Mian Aslam Iqbal, I think, is in Lahore.
14:31So these people are in Lahore.
14:33Look, Mr. Kashi,
14:34in a large debate,
14:35look, this 24th,
14:36the final mark,
14:37the 18th, the 18th,
14:38I had told you yesterday,
14:40today you have come to the table of jokes.
14:42Okay, today you have come to joke with the government.
14:44Earlier, you were wearing a chowdhury.
14:45What are you joking about?
14:46These are the jokes.
14:47Okay, first, let's clear one thing.
14:49Are you joking with the government or with the establishment?
14:51Look, sir.
14:52Today, Aleema Khan Sahiba
14:53clarified this in her press conference,
14:54in the press talk.
14:55She said that Ali Ameen and Ballester Gowd
14:57have asked for permission.
14:58You give us permission.
14:59We will start the debates.
15:01And you got permission.
15:02Establishment.
15:03And you got permission.
15:04And permission.
15:05And permission.
15:06Look, the people are thinking
15:07that either the establishment was very bad,
15:09or the establishment is very good,
15:11or you did not accept the establishment.
15:13But the point should be made.
15:14I am not criticizing this.
15:15I am just trying to make it clear
15:17that this is the last drama of the 24th,
15:19this is a water bubble,
15:20they are saying,
15:21and they are saying that I am wearing a chowdhury.
15:23But Mr. Wada,
15:24Mr. Fawad,
15:25until they did not call on the 24th,
15:27there was no discussion.
15:28It did not happen from your side either.
15:29No, it did not happen.
15:30So, is it necessary for the political party
15:32to do all this?
15:33Does it put pressure on people
15:34to open the Marchi door?
15:35Today, Mr. Fawad,
15:37tell Mr. Wada
15:38that Ali Ameen stayed there for two hours.
15:40No, no, it is absolutely right.
15:42Someone let him go,
15:43someone opened the doors,
15:44someone arranged a meeting.
15:45A little,
15:46a little,
15:47because there was a problem,
15:48there was no PTI narrative.
15:51If you pay attention,
15:52Imran Khan had already formed a committee on the first day
15:55and he had said that
15:57the Muzakirat can do this committee.
16:00Okay, I don't agree with the second thing either.
16:02You will have to bring the political parties
16:04to the Muzakirat.
16:06Because you see,
16:07whatever is the favor,
16:08for example,
16:09for example,
16:10you say that
16:11the prisoners in our jails,
16:12they should be house arrested
16:14or released.
16:15So, who is going to make that order?
16:17It is not going to be done by the ISI or MI.
16:19That order is going to be made by the Punjab government.
16:21Yes, but if someone has to make the order,
16:22they have to come forward.
16:23But they will have to participate.
16:24You say,
16:25whoever has to make the order,
16:26do it tomorrow.
16:27That is right,
16:28that is right.
16:29But despite this,
16:30I think political parties
16:31are an integral part of this.
16:32Absolutely right.
16:33Saying that they have to participate.
16:34But I have never understood
16:35the politics of this method
16:36of talking to the politicians.
16:37No, they were doing it.
16:38If you remember,
16:39when there was a conversation
16:40at the end,
16:41at the elections,
16:42Shah Mehmood Qureshi
16:43was there,
16:44he was also talking.
16:45You have gone back to the time of Baba Adil Sahib,
16:46but recently,
16:47what Khan Sahib said,
16:48he was saying the same thing at that time too.
16:50He was saying the same thing at that time too.
16:51No political party,
16:52just establishment.
16:53He could not make the environment.
16:54The problem with the PMLN
16:55at this time is
16:56that there should be
16:57a seriousness.
16:58Rana Sanaullah
16:59is talking more
17:00and other people
17:01in his party
17:02are talking more.
17:03Second,
17:04Mohsin Naqvi Sahib
17:05is leading
17:06separately.
17:07So,
17:08Shahbaz Sharif Sahib's
17:09failure is that
17:10he does not have
17:11a cohesive team.
17:12He does not even have
17:13a political team
17:14and he has…
17:15Shahbaz Sahib
17:16is leading
17:17a political team
18:18So the problem with the establishment is that the frustration, I think, and we can tell from Faisal's speech that he is fed up with this.
18:28With 18 seats, you made him the Prime Minister. With 27 seats, you made him the President.
18:33And those two are sitting there doing all the work.
18:36They don't do all the work.
18:37They don't do all the work.
18:38They don't do all the work.
18:39They don't do all the work.
18:40They don't do all the work.
18:41They don't do all the work.
18:42They don't do all the work.
18:43They don't do all the work.
18:44They don't do all the work.
18:45They don't do all the work.
18:46I can understand that.
19:16And then he's a chief minister.
19:17Raasta khola.
19:18So it could mean that.
19:19I mean, I'll have to see more to...
19:20Kyon ke dekhe main ek baar jaanata hoon.
19:21Woh pichla protest bhi aap...
19:22Sohney sir main yeh kahne laga.
19:23Jis Khan ko aap jaanate hain.
19:24Jis Khan ke saath aap dono ne kaam kiya hain.
19:25Agar yeh kaam Khan ko samajh na aaya hota to Ali Ameen ke saath jo hona tha, yeh aap bhi
19:26jaanate hain.
19:27Nahi sir.
19:28Mittam Khan ko jaanate hain, Khan sahab ko.
19:29I'm not saying that.
19:30I'm not saying that.
19:31I'm not saying that.
19:32I'm not saying that.
19:33Yeh kya hua hai usko?
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