"PPP Nay PTI Aur Imran Khan Kay Khilaaf Koi Case Nahi Kiya...", Sharjeel Memon
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00:00On one hand, he wants clarification on the 8-year-old issue of Mr. Chhagra.
00:07On the other hand, he is saying that this government is going against democracy.
00:12A government that cannot run without you.
00:15Define this also.
00:17A party, Pakistan People's Party, which is against democracy,
00:21which Mr. Imran Khan also gives examples about.
00:26Is it going against democracy at this time?
00:30Look, I didn't hear Mr. Taimur's first statement.
00:34I said that when the elections were held,
00:38and when we said that if we had not supported any party at that time,
00:43then no party could have fulfilled its numbers in the assembly,
00:47then this assembly would have broken again and the elections would have been held again.
00:51And then, as it took 8 months in the election, in the caretaker setup,
00:55it could have taken more time than that.
00:58It could have taken 8 years or it could have taken 4 years or it could have taken any time.
01:01This is the first thing.
01:02The second thing I want to say is that we gave this option at that time also.
01:06And when the elections were held on 8th February,
01:10in the People's Party CEC, it was decided that we would talk to PTI and PMI.
01:16At that time, their mature group went to their founder.
01:21And the founder gave them a message that we neither want to talk to the People's Party
01:26nor do we want to sit and talk to PMLN.
01:29At that time also, the sariya on the neck was like this.
01:33They wanted that we will not talk to anyone.
01:36And when we talked, the People's Party had no other option.
01:39Then we said that we will not come to the government,
01:42but to run the assemblies and to continue the system,
01:46we will support PMLN, even if it becomes a government.
01:50The second question was that you just said that the democratic era is not going on
01:55and the stories of oppression are being talked about.
01:59When Mr. Imran Khan, in 2018,
02:03the way he became a part of the elections by setting up an RTS,
02:06and then the way the members were stuffed in the ships,
02:10and their loyalties were changed,
02:13even then PTI did not have a majority despite setting up an RTS.
02:19It would have been better if we had talked about morality at that time too.
02:23At that time too, it would have been said that we do not have a legitimate mandate,
02:27which they themselves have mentioned in their interviews,
02:30that I did not have a majority.
02:33I used to tell some people or institutions to give me members,
02:36so that I can get my bill passed, I can get my budget passed.
02:39The way the senators were elected,
02:43our seven votes were excluded.
02:46And then, the way there was a rift in the elections of the Senate chairman,
02:50I mean, there was a rift inside the Senate too.
02:53But one more thing,
02:55the oppression that is being talked about,
02:57that democracy, and now they have said that we have been facing it for two and a half years.
03:00Unfortunately, PTI is saying that we have been facing it for two and a half years.
03:04We have been facing it for years and years.
03:06The way the Pakistan People's Party was arrested in their own time,
03:10Mr. Asif Ali Zardari,
03:12the way Mr. Faryal Talpur was dragged from the hospital on the eve of Eid,
03:18the way he was sent to jail,
03:22where was democracy at that time?
03:24Why did not the story of oppression come to mind at that time?
03:26Then, the way your opponents,
03:28I mean, whoever is in a talk show,
03:32opposes the PTI government or speaks against Imran Khan,
03:35the next day, there were notices on the internet,
03:38those people were arrested,
03:40those people were dragged and taken away.
03:42Interesting.
03:43Mr. Khursheed Shah was sleeping in his sleep,
03:45the way he was taken to Imran Khan's government,
03:48and then the Speaker of the Assembly,
03:50who had come to a two-day conference in Islamabad,
03:53if he wanted to arrest Nayeb, he could have done it from Karachi.
03:56So, Shazil sahib, before I go towards Senator Kamran Mutta sahib,
03:59I will tell you that the story of oppression,
04:01all of us, I mean, one of my cases was bailed out,
04:04the second case was made against me,
04:06and my entire family was nominated in it.
04:08So, all of this, we ourselves,
04:10in the era of Imran Khan sahib, all of this oppression,
04:13But Shazil sahib, the question that arises is that,
04:15that is wrong, but would two wrongs make a right?
04:18Look, listen to me, right now, we are not in the government.
04:21The People's Party has not made a single case against the PTI,
04:24nor against Imran Khan sahib.
04:26There is no case from the People's Party.
04:28We are not a part of any government.
04:30But the cases that are on Imran Khan sahib,
04:34there are a lot of cases, I mean,
04:36who are they hiding from?
04:37Let me say something in a second.
04:39Right now, a lot of oppression is being talked about.
04:41When Imran Khan sahib was in power,
04:43there was a woman in Punjab,
04:45I don't like to say her name,
04:47a Gogi sahiba,
04:49then, for her, she herself came and defended him.
04:51She was a very decent woman.
04:53She was a very good woman.
04:55She had nothing to do with politics.
04:57So, she was banished from the country.
04:59Then, after that, in Punjab,
05:01Imran Khan sahib was so powerful.
05:03I will answer this question, Mr. Sharjeel.
05:05I will answer this question from Mr. Taimur Jagra.
05:07But before that, Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
05:09there is another conversation going on.
05:11I said, I have lost all my patience.
05:13Let me find out from you whether it is true or not.
05:15Grand Opposition Alliance.
05:17Mr. Maulana, your Jamaat,
05:19your leaders,
05:21did you have any discussion about
05:23whether anyone should be joined or not,
05:25till now?
05:27Till now, it was that no such Grand Opposition Alliance
05:29should be formed.
05:31But now, have such matters changed?
05:33Not at all.
05:35Our issue-based politics is going on.
05:37In some places,
05:39we and PTI
05:41go together.
05:43In some places, with the government,
05:45as you can see in the 26th Amendment,
05:47we go together in both directions.
05:49Ultimately, we have agreed on our talks.
05:51But we are doing issue-based politics.
05:53We do not have any part of any Grand Alliance yet.
05:55In fact, this thought is also not in the party yet.
05:57It has not been discussed
05:59in the parties yet.
06:01Even if it had been discussed
06:03with Mr. Maulana,
06:05it would not have been
06:07implemented until
06:09the parties approve it.
06:11Makes sense.
06:13But PTI reached out.
06:15Mr. Senator, do you have any further questions?
06:17In my absence,
06:19when I came to Quetta,
06:21I met a friend of PTI,
06:23Mr. Maulana.
06:25He told me about the discussions.
06:27Mr. Maulana has gone to England.
06:29I am still in Quetta.
06:31I will return to Islamabad
06:33on 16th or 17th from Quetta.
06:35Mr. Maulana will also return on 17th.
06:37I spoke to Mr. Maulana in the morning
06:39but we did not discuss this issue.
06:41I do not see any such intentions.
06:43Right.
06:45Mr. Taimur Jagra,
06:47quickly answer Mr. Sharjeel Memon's question.
06:49I want to end this segment.
06:51We have no connection
06:53with Farah Gogi as a party.
06:55Farah Gogi,
06:57if she is innocent,
06:59wonderful.
07:01If Farah Gogi has committed a crime
07:03and a legitimate process
07:05convicts her,
07:07then she is absolutely fine.
07:09We will first condemn her.
07:11But I would like to say
07:13that I regret
07:15leaving PTI aside.
07:17Today, our state
07:19is supporting those forces
07:21not only those
07:23who won the elections wrongly.
07:25You can see,
07:27this Guardian
07:31and
07:33Switzerland's
07:35own national newspaper
07:37which convicted Benazir
07:39in the Swiss court
07:41because they
07:43gave a contract
07:45and a diamond necklace
07:47worth 1,17,000 pounds
07:49which was confiscated.
07:51There was a conviction.
07:53Even after that,
07:55we sit under those figures
07:57and do politics.
07:59We are happy.
08:01We become holy.
08:03Someone else should bring new people.
08:05Mr. Jagra,
08:07this is a discussion that will never end.
08:09Mr. Sharjeel,
08:11very quickly,
08:13end this segment.
08:15I didn't want to go there.
08:17But let me tell you one thing.
08:19Those cases were run here as well.
08:21If you talk about Swiss cases
08:23or necklace cases,
08:25they were all made by
08:27the governments of that time.
08:29I am not going to the Canadian court's
08:31judgments as to who was a Sadiq,
08:33who was an Ameen,
08:35what the Canadian courts wrote.
08:37I am not going to that either.
08:39I am not going to that either.
08:41I am not going to that either.
08:43I am not going to that either.
08:45I am not going to that either.
08:47I am not going to that either.
08:49I am not going to that either.
08:51I am not going to that either.
08:53I am not going to that either.
08:55I am not going to that either.
08:57I am not going to that either.