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00:00So I don't believe John Heyman that the Red Sox are gonna be in on that?
00:04No, I don't.
00:05Juan Soto?
00:08No chance.
00:09So—
00:10By the way, you know what the market is for him?
00:12We said last week we were guessing.
00:13We were guessing 500.
00:14I've now seen north of 600 million.
00:16So the Red Sox are in on that?
00:18According to John Heyman.
00:20So I think most people know this, but for those who don't,
00:22we always talk about Mike Lombardi when he speaks.
00:25It's really just Bill Belichick.
00:26check. Every time John Heyman speaks, it's just Scott Boris. And so Scott Boris represents
00:31all these guys. So if Scott Boris is trying to get 600 million for Juan Soto, he's going
00:37to want to include every single team possible, including a team that used to spend.
00:40They don't spend any more. That's why it's laughable. But they used to spend. So you'd
00:44want them in the in the quote unquote bidding. You you want the Yankees to think the Red
00:49Sox are in, but they are not. No, of course not. Not even close. Dodgers, Mets, Yankees,
00:55you know, Red Sox. These are the teams you want in the mix just in case. All right. Drive
00:59up the price a little bit. If you're an agent, let's say John Heyman is happy to do. Scott
01:04Boris is bidding. Let's say if Juan Soto makes 600 million on his next deal, do you think
01:08the Red Sox hand out in contracts? So not for this year, but I mean, in total contracts
01:13300 million with all the players they saw. I was about to say no chance. Six hundred
01:18million. No, no, no, no. So they won't even spend half and free agency on God knows how
01:23many players that can be two, three, four, five, ten. So like to say that they're in
01:29on it and then for him to like skirt by the other inside Mookie Betts, I don't really
01:32know what happened there. Aren't you a baseball guy? Aren't you supposed to be kind of dialed
01:35in on that? Like maybe why they didn't. And maybe you want to explore that. So they wouldn't
01:39sign Mookie Betts. But now they're going to give 600 million to Juan Soto. OK, well, I
01:43mean, in fairness, they didn't sign Betts and then they turn around and sign Devers.
01:45They did there. They sort of forced into that because they also let Bogarts go at the same
01:48time. And so you needed somebody. If your logic is sometimes they panic and just abruptly
01:53change course. That's the best logic, because the team has done that a bunch. They have
01:56a price thing. They've done it. They've done it. Devers is another example of that where
02:00they just they reverse course. We're not going to do something. We're not going to do something.
02:03Oh, crap. We have to. Now, I don't believe that's going to happen in this scenario. I
02:06do not. I thought last offseason there was a chance it would happen and it didn't. I'm
02:10no longer holding out hope for that. But there is a history of John Henry saying one thing,
02:16acting a certain way and then just completely reverse in course.
02:19They do it with GM's. They do it with managers. They do it in free agency. They do it. They've
02:22done it all the time. I now think they're done with that. Yeah, I don't think I don't
02:26think they're going to spend any more, not in a meaningful way, probably not even in
02:30a top 10 payroll in baseball. So there's there'll be right around 10. There's a Q&A with Alex
02:35Spear on Reddit like a week ago. And somebody asked him about like them in free agency.
02:38And he was like, I think they're going to give out like a one hundred million dollar
02:41contract. And I was like, as far as you want. Yeah, right. It was a bit of a reliever. At
02:46this point, I didn't get anything. So six hundred million for one Soto. They're going
02:50to get they might give out one hundred. They're going to spend on like Tosca Hernandez. Yeah.
02:55Who they wanted last year. And they missed it. We got a lowballed, extremely low. Yeah.
02:59Now they're going to pay whatever. Nice player. He's on the Dodgers. I don't think you're
03:03going to be anything. OK, but but like if that's what a hundred million dollar player
03:07looks like, a hundred million dollars. Oh, they're they might spend a hundred million
03:10dollars. Oh, really? Wow. Costs. Costs. Oh, my God. Costs extension. Can you slap Nick
03:16Billy? Moses Moody. Yeah, Moses Moody. Here. Do you think if they're like, hey, we'll
03:23give one Soto a hundred million dollars and he's like over what, a year and a half? That's
03:28not a bad plan. Maybe do that. But once a million dollars, we're going to give you a
03:31hundred million for this year. He's like done two years. It seems a little light. One year.
03:36Fine. Give a hundred million for this year. For a year. There you go. It's a big year
03:39for him. I'll get it. I'm going to have to hit. He plays every day. That guy, he plays
03:43every day. I see one thing about one. So you can ask me whatever you want. I want to
03:47think the Red Sox are going to get him and he's going to get six hundred million dollars.
03:49Yeah. Is it weird? There's a chance he's going to be on his fourth team. He has sort of bounced
03:54around a little bit. Washington to San Diego now to the Yankees. Is it weird that he's going
04:00to be on a potentially it's unusual. No, I had to handicap it. He's probably back on the Yankees.
04:06But also he's like the Mets. Yeah. He'd be on his fourth team already. No, I know. But I think
04:11he's trying to he's got Boris. So maybe it shouldn't be that weird. He's trying to maximize
04:14it. The Nationals offered him a good amount of money and they were like, all right, well,
04:18if we're not going to sign him, we got to go. And that's also the Nationals, not the Red Sox.
04:22So he goes to the Padres. Same kind of thing. The Padres felt like they were going to spend a lot
04:25of money. And then they're like, oh, we don't have any money. Their TV deals went south.
04:28So then they send them to the Yankees and the Yankees sneaky don't spend money,
04:32but they're going to try to. Well, they they spend decent on judge. And I think they're
04:37going to offer a pretty big contract here. And if he gets away from them, I think it's just for him,
04:42it's just all about money. And that's if you end up. So let me retract that. I don't think it's
04:46that weird. I guess. Where do you think he's going to wind up? Not here. Across across the
04:49Red Sox off that list, Keith, I think across the mystery team off because that's just a
04:52Boris negotiating tactic. But John Haven is a mystery team is apparently that's not that's not
04:57a town. It's not it's not a Tampa Bay. Yeah, that no, that would be more than their entire
05:05franchise's cost ever. It's not it's more than the value of the franchise. First of all, I think,
05:10first of all, there is no mystery team. That's a Boris negotiating tactic. Well,
05:13the second of all, second of all, the rest of you don't know that if you knew it, Jones,
05:16it wouldn't be a mystery team. Second, no, it would be more effective if John Haven said there
05:19are five teams in and a mystery team and everybody would go that mystery team might be the Red Sox.
05:23Could it be that actually might kind of make sense? It's so the Red Sox. There's five teams
05:27that are in Yankees, Mets, Dodgers. Who else am I blanking on? He just he's listening. No,
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06:06Yeah
06:11But so maybe Arsene I Aaron judged it he was really good with the Yankees
06:16I think he fits and they're like they're already committed to judge. I know it's a lot of money, but I think ultimately
06:21because they would just be
06:23Searching without him like I don't know where they would go you'd end up
06:26Spending 400 million on a guy that you regret you might as well spent 600 million
06:30Oh guys really good in the primus career, so I say Yankees. Okay?
06:33What's a successful offseason for the Red Sox?
06:36They're not getting one Soto.
06:37They're not getting him.
06:38Aaron Judge.
06:39If that's a successful offseason, they're not getting him.
06:41Arsene Judge.
06:42I'd take Arsene Judge.
06:43I'd take Arsene Judge this way.
06:44Maybe 40 home runs.
06:45So you can jump in on this.
06:46617-779-7937.
06:47What is a successful Red Sox offseason?
06:51I think a lot of people would define that because no one believes they're getting Soto.
06:54Maybe you do.
06:55No.
06:56So are we grinding on a curve?
06:57No, I'm saying realistically, the way John Henry is acting,
07:02they're not going to do a ton.
07:04I think a lot of people want them to get starting pitching, right?
07:06Yeah.
07:07So are you going to pay Burns?
07:10Are you going to trade prospects or trade someone like Cassis for pitching?
07:14You know, the Seattle guys come up all the time.
07:16Crochet's name comes up all the time.
07:18Are those the kind of moves that you would say, all right, if they get Logan Gilbert,
07:24if they get Garrett Crochet, if they sign Corbin Burns or Max Fried or someone like that?
07:30Now we're talking.
07:31Is that a successful offseason or do they have to do more than that?
07:33I need more.
07:34I need more than that.
07:35I want Corbin Burns and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
07:39Give me both those guys.
07:40Sign a guy, trade for a guy, make it happen.
07:43You could sign Corbin Burns or Max Fried and Pete Alonso if you wanted to do that.
07:48Yeah, something like that.
07:49So like a big right-handed stick that you can put in the middle of your lineup and an ace pitcher.
07:54Because I do think some of their pitchers last year, like Tanner Houck, outperformed what I expected.
08:00You're like, all right, this guy's a part of your team or he should be a part of the rotation going forward.
08:04I am not giving up on all the young guys.
08:07I mean, not just young guys.
08:08I mean, like prospects.
08:10But I don't know if you want every single one of them.
08:12One of the reasons why you beef up your farm system is so you can go out there and get guys that are already established players.
08:18So would you rather trade one of your big prospects, Anthony, Thiel, Meyer, Christian Campbell?
08:23Would you rather trade one of those or trade Kassus?
08:26Oh, Kassus.
08:27But I don't think you're going to get as much.
08:28I'd rather trade one of the prospects.
08:30I don't know about Kassus, man.
08:32I was so high on him going into last year.
08:34I don't either, but I don't know about any of these prospects.
08:36He was out like nine months with like an injury that he was supposed to be out for like four weeks for.
08:39Yeah.
08:40And then he's out there doing like mental swings.
08:42But you know he can hit at the big league level.
08:44You do know that about him.
08:45To a certain degree.
08:46Okay, but you have no idea about any of these kids.
08:48None of them.
08:49I'd trade a prospect before Kassus.
08:52But shoot on the other foot for a moment, if I may.
08:55If you're the Blue Jays, in this hypothetical, and we're like, hey, we want Vlad Guerrero.
09:00Do you think they'd be like, ooh, center a package around Tristan Kassus or center a package around Marcelo Mayer?
09:05Good question.
09:06I don't know.
09:07But I think Kassus has value.
09:09And I think you might be selling a little low to your point.
09:12Like could you get more out of a prospect?
09:13Maybe.
09:14But I also don't think you're going to trade one prospect.
09:16It's going to be a package of prospects.
09:19Yeah, I would trade some of those prospects beforehand.
09:21Now you can prioritize them however you want.
09:23But honestly, in this scenario, you can always figure this out later or you leave it to Cora to figure out.
09:28But in this scenario, Kassus is a first baseman.
09:31Guerrero is a first baseman.
09:32All those other prospects aren't.
09:33So maybe I would just make it simpler for me to do that.
09:36If that's even the deal.
09:37Again, the right-handed bat could be an outfielder.
09:39I don't really care.
09:40But that's just one name that even going back to last trade deadline, there was speculation on if they might move on.
09:46So maybe in the offseason, they might actually do it.
09:48So I also look at it as all-star slash Cy Young candidate pitcher and like an all-star, like legit all-star hitter.
09:56So they need both.
09:57If they get both, then that's a successful offseason.
09:59One of those, you're like, all right, I'm interested.
10:02You mentioned Vlade for a trade.
10:04I mean I would be shocked if they even – I guess I wouldn't be shocked if they trade for a pitcher.
10:08I'd be shocked if they signed someone like Burns or Fried.
10:10Yeah, I'd be shocked if they signed anybody to a significant contractor.
10:15Well, let's get into it.
10:16Juan Soto.
10:17I'm reading ESPN projections here.
10:19It would be shocking.
10:20Tim Britton does a good job with these as well at The Athletic.
10:23And Tommasi was citing some of his work at NBC Sports Boss.
10:26I'm using the ESPN projections here.
10:27Okay.
10:28Juan Soto is going to get $611 million.
10:30I think they're out.
10:31I don't think they're – $611 million?
10:33Is their specific projection.
10:35They should offer him 6-17, so 6-1-7.
10:37Oh.
10:38Yeah, wouldn't that be nice?
10:39That is a real nice.
10:40Area code contract.
10:41Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:42They say he's going to get 13 years.
10:43So maybe you could offer, again, the one for 100.
10:46I think we'd get it done for sure.
10:4813-year deal.
10:49Oh, my God.
10:51Rosie Sasaki from Japan is the number two projected free agent.
10:55Okay.
10:56That's all sort of capped in terms of what you have to give to his team.
10:59Are they going to be in on an international free agent like that?
11:01They're not.
11:02Okay.
11:03I don't think so either.
11:04They're not going to be in on that.
11:05Corbin Burns is going to get $225.
11:06Do you think they're in on Burns?
11:07No.
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18:53Is that getting too greedy?
18:54What would constitute a successful offseason?
18:55Or have you given up?
18:56For the Red Sox?
18:57Or, right, are you just agnostic?
18:58You don't care.