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00:00John Morosi on the MLB network
00:03Red Sox are well behind
00:06The Mets and the Yankees when it comes to Juan Soto
00:11He said they could pivot to
00:13Pitchers like Corbin Burns or Blake Snell. No sure about that. Not Blake Snell Blake Snell anymore, though
00:20comforting to know that they were in on it like they
00:24Wanted Blake Snell to some degree. They also according to reports wanted you say Kikuchi
00:29So the two biggest pitchers that have already signed you're allowed to sign guys
00:34No, you don't have to wait till March. No, you can sign them now to big money pitchers
00:39That apparently the Red Sox are interested in signed elsewhere one big money pitcher
00:44I mean 22 or million dollars a year time
00:47But if the Red Sox had a pitcher for three years 60 million
00:50We're not gonna like throw a parade for but wouldn't he be the highest paid pitcher on the team?
00:53Yeah, no, he would be so I think you're right
00:56that's not Blake Snell money Blake Snell got three times the amount of money, but
01:01especially if you're talking about adding two guys right Corbin Burns and
01:05Like Kikuchi would have been a solid and right like I could see that being like the second guy
01:09He was the second guy and he's your third or fourth starter. You're like, okay
01:12I just find it hilarious and also not surprising that the reports are they were in on both of these guys
01:18But they didn't get either one
01:19Okay
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01:49Blake Snell signs for five years 182 million with the Dodgers
01:54The Dodgers were good. I thought they were they didn't need to add anybody. Well, so now next year in their rotation. They're gonna have
02:01Shohei Ohtani back. Yep. He's Yamamoto. Mm-hmm Tyler Glasnow. Yep, and Blake Snell
02:12Congratulations they did as you reference Keith John Heyman
02:15Did make sure to tweet out the Red Sox were in on both Snell and before losing guys. They lost out
02:22Oh, they do seek rotation upgrades and have preferred a lefty. I bet they'll get the next guy
02:29Okay, well like the next guy are we being a little inconsistent on this? None of us even like Blake Snell
02:33So, why are we why are we crushing them for not getting Blake? So he did did they well they were offering everything
02:38I'm interested. Why would you even talk to but everything I've read it was Burns and freed and then Snell like I'm just saying
02:44Who is that that we played coming back?
02:46That was morose, so morose he's saying hey if they don't get Soto they could pivot to like Burns and Snell
02:51I don't smells already off the board. Yeah, I just think they're not getting there
02:54There's two things that are scary about this. I don't care that Blake Snell signed somewhere else
02:58I didn't want him. You didn't want a billion. I don't like we don't want him
03:00So I don't want to be inconsistent on that. There are two scary things number one. You're not getting guys
03:04Well guys are getting snapped up. Yeah number 280 for Blake Snell 182 over five years for Blake Snell
03:11That's probably more than I expected. So Burns is worth 900
03:15Okay, that just means the price I think on Burns and freed is higher than I thought right
03:22Which means now I do feel a little less like the Red Sox are gonna get one of those guys
03:26They got priced out on Yamamoto lesser. Oh, we're totally in on him, but the market got out of control
03:30They're not so I am with you like again, but you really think they're not gonna get any of these guys
03:34Well, no, that's not true. I mean, they got Lucas G Alito last year. So they'll get somebody they're not gonna get Burns
03:39Don't get Shane Bieber. They're not gonna oh Shane Bieber is on the shelf all year
03:43So they would that is a guy that fits there. They're not gonna get free mo
03:50No Bob Nightingale USA today the Boston Red Sox who were in on Blake Snell more of that are now focusing on max freed
03:57Oh, they are their rotation. They're gonna be so close. They might be the first team just to miss them
04:00So you're saying you're saying no tweet like five minutes after snow signed. Yes. So, how does he know? What does he know?
04:06Well, I don't know. Yeah, I gotta focus on freed haven't they been focused on before well
04:10Maybe uh, maybe they're focused on let me freedom birds. So you're I know you're a no on Burns. You're no on freed
04:16They will get neither. Oh, they'll get me either. I would
04:20So freed let me just say this real quick. It could on the off chance that they do sign freed
04:24I don't want to be the guy that oh, you're saying this now
04:26He I think you like it more than I do
04:29But even still like he's not a huge strikeout guy. So there is like a little concern
04:34Like how elite can he be he finished second the Cy Young in 2022?
04:40He this past year had a 3.25 era, which is obviously very good. He's the most innings. He's ever pitched is 185
04:48But that's also maybe kind of the new norm. How many guys throw 200 innings now? It's so rare. Although
04:55You know if you just do quick math if they do 33 starts in a healthy season
04:59Mm-hmm, and even if they average six innings a start that's like 198. Yeah, so you're I
05:06Don't know it's 200 even that is that is it still that big of an ask
05:10Maybe it is. I mean a lot of pitchers don't do it. Is there a number in your mind?
05:13You're like, oh a guy hasn't gotten like 180. Yeah, that's probably
05:17Number nowadays, so he's done that once so like again, I don't want to poopoo on the guy before they even sign him
05:22I'd be happy with him. He'd be an upgrade to what they have. Yeah, but he's not Burns like Burns is up here
05:26Here's my
05:27Ground ball pitcher and they can't field. Well true. Although they might be addressing that we'll get to that in a moment. Yeah, but
05:33I
05:35Don't want to chastise them for spending money, but then once they sign freed
05:39We are gonna have some nitpicks with him if they sign someone that's right. I want to say that now
05:42Yeah, let me get out on the record now and be like I like freed but he's certainly not the perfect process and again
05:47You like him more than me. I just say it like this. I don't think I don't really think he's an ace
05:51Yeah, and so if you're spending that kind of money, I want an ace is what I would say news though
05:55Nick he won three gold gloves so he could just do it all. Oh nice. That's a plan
05:59It's like a Mark Burley type. That's right left. You can feel his position. He'll call you off. Yeah, he'll catch a pop fly
06:04I like that
06:06As it relates to Juan Soto your guy John Heyman had this Keith
06:10Yeah, I missed it cuz he blocked me on Twitter
06:12The Red Sox are increasingly seen as the legitimate contender in the sweepstakes for generational slugger
06:18Juan Soto nice and are stepping up their efforts. Let's go
06:23We had heard who had the report yesterday that they had up their offer
06:27Nightingale, maybe that sounds right Gomez. Thank you. Thank you years up the money. Okay, Heyman concur
06:33They are stepping up their efforts to lure him away from their historic ALE's nemesis
06:38the Yankees good for them sources say the Red Sox are attempting to sell Soto on his fit in Boston a
06:43Fit both at Fenway Park and within the history of the franchise
06:46I guess they were trying to sell him on like Ted Williams and William has and stuff
06:49I wouldn't lean in on that Freddie Lynn his fit at Fenway Park fine
06:53I would lean out on the Lynn Williams. I don't think I
07:00Also like Troy O'Leary he's awesome, but okay does this feel like
07:05Do you think this is the Red Sox getting used where the Red Sox are in but they're getting used to
07:10Get better offers out of the Mets or the Yankees or do you think this is just the interest Kings things?
07:15The Red Sox want you to think they're in on the player. What's more like I think they're using each other. Okay, what's more though?
07:19Uh
07:21Red Sox want their fans to carry that to me is worse if they're getting used
07:25Yeah, that at least means they really want the player and other teams are just gonna bid more than them
07:30Which I'm still mad about but I'm not as angry about these are fake offers and we're just trying to win the fan base
07:36Oh, I think Soto needs it less because Yankees and Mets are both in he was just on the Yankees
07:42But they could lose him he fit with the Yankees the Mets are spending like crazy
07:46They spent a lot of money and then they did look a little bit of a reset and they were like
07:50all right, these guys remember like they like the like
07:53Scherzer and stuff. They're like, all right, let's stop with that
07:55They traded away some of their guys and then now they're back in on it again, and they want to take him
08:00So I think Soto is gonna get a good bidding war regardless
08:03obviously if you're Boris and him as many teams the merrier, but I think the Red Sox after so much negative publicity and
08:11Seeing him and that was also the guy to where during the season everybody kind of made like there's no way they're in on Soto
08:16There's no way that they're in on Soto. They're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, we are
08:19We met with him and now we're gonna we're gonna pay him a lot of money and instead of finishing fifth
08:24We're gonna finish third and like that's that's what it feels like to me. Okay, I
08:28I would again feel worse about that if they are
08:32Being used. Yeah, and Boris is just taking their offer and bringing it back to the Mets and saying well
08:38Here's the Red Sox offer. So you got to give us X Y & Z
08:42Again, I'm still not happy, but I feel better about that than just let's let's be in the mix
08:47Just to get some headlines and win our fan base back and we're intentionally gonna lowball
08:53Juan Soto now look
08:55Do I think they're gonna land Soto? No, I put it at 10%
08:58Yeah, I don't love reading about how they're upping their offer and they're trying to step up their interest and things like this
09:05I don't love reading that
09:07But they're still alive. I think for Burns and Freed you don't they also have a plan B to pivot off of
09:13Juan Soto that I find very intriguing and it involves Rafael Devers in the long-term plan there