Payne and Pendergast received quite a few texts from Texans fans concerned about the offensive line turning C.J. Stroud into the next David Carr. Is this a legitimate concern?
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00:00Simply put, the O-line is ruining our offense, ruining C.J., and ruining our season.
00:06When are Nick and D'Amico going to wake up and make some changes?
00:09I don't know what changes exist in-house other than sticking with Kendrick Green or hoping
00:14that Jared Patterson's brain gets better and putting him in there.
00:18This is a big, this is no doubt a big four or five days coming up for Nick Casario here
00:24as the GM of this football team.
00:26You put this team together to compete with the big boys, and they're not competing with
00:30the big boys right now.
00:31There's a whole, and the whole thing is too, and I know that D'Amico's going to say in
00:36an effort in a group operation that yes, the offensive line deserves criticism, and that's,
00:41but they're going to say, okay, it is also a group effort.
00:43There's all, there is, there are things that the running backs, the tight ends, everybody
00:47else needs to do better.
00:48That first sack by D.J. Reed, I mean, Mixon ran right past D.J. Reed and didn't recognize
00:55that it was blitz.
00:56Because like, Mixon's got, C.J.'s looking for Mixon, Mixon's on an angle route.
01:01You got to get your eyes on C.J.
01:02You got to give him your eyes, because by the time C.J., you know, C.J. recognizes that
01:07it's corner blitz, but he's looking for Mixon, Mixon's still executing his cut.
01:12Like, no, get your eyes around on C.J.'s shroud.
01:16Give him an option.
01:17So it's, and I, Joe Mixon does great things as a runner and did great things last night
01:23in the first half, at least, but there's, it's multiple little things like this.
01:27That, there was no, there was no blocker for that corner blitz, which is what happens when
01:33you send corner blitzes sometimes.
01:35The running back's got to get his eyes back on C.J. and give him an option.
01:39But C.J.'s got no, C.J. had none of it.
01:41I just, uh.
01:43So we're here for you, man.
01:45We're here till 10 o'clock for you guys.
01:47And keep texting in to the 5-Hour Energy fan line.
01:50The texts, and we're getting a ton of texts today, a ton, um, the, the, one of the big
01:56things that I saw last night, Seth, I got tweets from people.
02:00We got calls about it on the post game show.
02:03It was mentioned a few times and I'm seeing it today.
02:06And this, this is long time Texan fans that are feeling this and, and, and I don't know,
02:12I don't know that I'm feeling this way necessarily yet, but I understand the draft young quarterback
02:18and they get shell shocked because of poor offensive line play.
02:23And I'm seeing the name David Carr quite a bit over the last 24 hours.
02:26The concern that C.J. is reminding me of David Carr in the seasons where he was getting his
02:32head bashed in.
02:33And I know it's a very nuanced thing with David Carr and all the sacks that, yeah, the
02:37O-line was part of that, but David held onto the ball a lot, all those things.
02:41But undoubtedly you can, you can certainly hypothesize that a big reason David Carr wound
02:47up being a failure as a franchise quarterback in the NFL was because he was getting destroyed
02:52back there early on in his career.
02:54CJ is getting at least over the last window here of a few games, he is getting destroyed
03:00physically and maybe psychologically to that level right now.
03:05He's getting destroyed and, and there's not a lot of options that I think Sloak is giving
03:10him to avoid getting destroyed that when you, when the offensive line, because like with
03:16the play we just discussed, the DJ Reed blitz, there's not, there's not an answer, but sometimes
03:22when there's going to be a blitz where it's three defenders on two blockers and that's
03:26just the way it goes.
03:27But CJ had no options at that point.
03:29There was nobody that was open or even looking for the ball downfield by the time he got
03:33into rest and, and certainly not over the middle.
03:37And some of that just ends up being okay.
03:39When Nico Collins comes back, at least you've got slants over the middle.
03:42Is anybody else incapable of running slants on this football team?
03:46Are they that decrepit in the wide receiving core right now?
03:50But it's, it's across the board and this is where it falls back on Bobby Sloak.
03:56I don't have, there are a lot of teams out there in the NFL right now who don't have
04:00Nico Collins and Stefan Diggs on their, in their receiving core.
04:04Lots of them, pretty much a hundred percent of them don't have Nico Collins or Stefan
04:08Diggs in the receiving core and yet they managed to score more than 13 points against the Jets.
04:14Some of them even score in the second half.
04:16That, yeah, that's the one I'd like to see the, the, the Texans scoring in the second
04:21half.
04:22How many teams have scored actual touchdowns in the second half without Stefan Diggs and
04:27Nico Collins?
04:28Quite a few.
04:29I'm going to track that this weekend.
04:30I'm going to, I'm going to count up how many teams this weekend scored touchdowns without
04:35Nico Collins and Stefan Diggs on their roster.
04:37Cause this is the first weekend that we haven't had either of those two guys, you know?
04:41So I'm going to see what that, what that looks like and see if teams are actually able
04:44to do.
04:45I don't know if I believe you on that, Seth.
04:46I, until I see what happens this weekend in the NFL, I don't know that I totally believe
04:51you that teams can score touchdowns without Stefan Diggs and Nico Collins.
04:55Listen, look, I'd love to just think that anybody could line up and, and, and win a
05:00game by scoring 13 points, but it's hard.
05:03It's hard in the NFL.
05:04It's hard to win these games, you know, I've heard 13 is plenty.
05:07Sure.
05:08I've heard it's hard to win.
05:09And as you know, as I say, it's hard to win in the NFL.
05:12And yet somehow 16 teams every weekend, man, every week it happens, pull it off.
05:16It's incredible.
05:17It's like, it's almost, it's like trying to find the, you know, solve an unsolvable equation
05:21or something.
05:22And yet every single week, 50% of the teams usually will win a game.
05:26Sometimes there's a tie.
05:27Sometimes there's a tie, which is a semi win, but nevertheless, but are you, are you concerned?
05:34Is there any validity to bringing up the car are bringing it up within the context
05:39of CJ Stroud is going to get ruined here.
05:42Do you have a concern?
05:43I forgot about David.
05:44That's okay.
05:45Do you have concern that you, you were a teammate of David cars.
05:47You watched it up close.
05:48Do you have a concern that, that, that if this continues, that CJ now is the magic,
05:54the magical quarterback that we saw as a rookie is all of a sudden ruined in some way.
05:58I don't think he's going to be irreparably damaged or anything because I've, he's already
06:02shown good pocket presence and awareness.
06:04I think I worry more about quarterbacks, especially coming out of college who never have a chance
06:10to develop any kind of a pocket awareness.
06:12I think CJ got a lot of that already and has developed a lot of that.
06:16I think right now there's, there's times where, and this falls back on Bobby Slowick.
06:23I think there's too many times where he doesn't have answers.
06:27So there are times like in the play we were just talking about, he really didn't have
06:30any answers on that corner blitz.
06:32It was going to be unblocked and he didn't have any answers for where to go with the
06:36ball.
06:37So he's going to have to scramble.
06:38And like, that's where the double whammy of bad offensive line play, plus just the quarterback
06:44not having that many options and they don't want them to do that much pre-snap.
06:47We've heard CJ a couple of times in the last couple of weeks, talk about how we'd like
06:51to be able to do more pre-snap.
06:53I think probably along the lines of diagnosing blitz, run some, run some hard counts to maybe
06:59sniff some things out.
07:01And part of it is, I don't know if they're just kind of trying to bring them along slowly
07:05as a younger quarterback and not put too much on his plate.
07:09But I think part of it too, is it's hard to run hard counts at home or on the road when
07:12you can't trust your offensive line to, to hold the water.
07:17No, no.
07:18Startless night.
07:19Congratulations.
07:20Yeah.
07:21Yeah.
07:22He's back.
07:23We're back to full, full board Laramie.
07:24Yup.
07:25Interesting suggestion on the text page.
07:27Put Patterson at center when he comes back, put Kendrick green at left guard and see how
07:31that works.
07:32Patterson was a viable center last year when he played those first eight games for a rookie.
07:38You know, for the first eight games, I'm not saying he was Jermani Dawson or anything like
07:41that.
07:42Plus I don't look, I don't think juice grugs, juice grugs.
07:47I need to see with competent guard play next to him because the center, a center in a lot
07:52of regards is only as good as his, his, who he's got next to him.
07:58Yeah.
07:59Good center is either using or feeding guys to him.
08:01And right now, like there's no part of, there's no part of juice grugs that needs to be feeding
08:05a block to Kenyon green or anything.
08:08So I need like, I don't want to mess with it too much.
08:11I'd rather have juice grugs continue to get snaps at center and if, and have Patterson
08:15at left guard, even see how that goes or, or they trade for somebody, a veteran they
08:19can trust.
08:20Yeah.
08:21We'll see next four days, man.
08:22Trade deadline.