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00:00Welcome once again to Pakistan, where the world's largest regional organization, the
00:22Shanghai Cooperation Organization, has come to Pakistan as a guest.
00:26This is the biggest international event in the history of Pakistan.
00:30Many leaders of the country, including the Prime Minister of China and Russia,
00:33India's Foreign Minister Jai Shankar, have arrived.
00:36And this development is ongoing in Pakistan.
00:39We are presenting you a summary of its various aspects.
00:43Let's continue that.
00:44So that we can try to present it to you in simple words.
00:49Maliha Lodhi Sahiba, of course, needs an introduction.
00:52Thank you very much for your time.
01:16Please tell us about this.
01:17Obviously, it is of great importance to the extent of its optics.
01:21More than that, due to terrorism, circumstances and security reasons,
01:27this country does not have a cricket team, etc.
01:30There are heads of state coming, countries like China and Russia.
01:34Please tell us in this context.
01:36Of course, there is Russia, which is currently engaged in Ukraine.
01:40Iran is in Israel.
01:42The current situation in the world and, of course, there is a lot of uncertainty
01:47regarding the Middle East.
01:50Is there more relevance to it than in any way?
01:54Or do you think it is more about how these organizations should cooperate
01:58on the level of economy and security between them?
02:01It's more about that.
02:03Look, first of all, we should keep in mind that these are member states by rotation.
02:10And you know how many member states there are.
02:13So, by rotation, a country gets the opportunity to become a host.
02:19So, we should keep in mind that this time it was the turn of Pakistan.
02:24So, Pakistan is hosting.
02:26Secondly, you pointed out various geopolitical issues.
02:30So, what we should keep in mind is that there are two levels of this organization.
02:36One is the head of state and the other is the heads of government.
02:39The head of state level, when there is a summit, which has been held this year,
02:44such issues are raised, which you mentioned.
02:49Political issues, geopolitical issues, counter-terrorism.
02:53So, such issues are not raised in the heads of government summit.
02:58Its agenda and mandate is economic.
03:03Economic cooperation, trade, energy, environment,
03:07and culture also.
03:09Such issues will be discussed in this heads of government summit.
03:15And I am sure that whatever discussions have already taken place,
03:19there will be a communique issue between different countries,
03:24in which various areas will be identified,
03:28where cooperation should be increased, where cooperation is already there,
03:33which should be further expanded.
03:36So, look, it is important, but this particular summit has no political issue
03:45on its agenda because of its mandate.
03:48Right.
03:49And Mr. Masood Khan, obviously, you have served in different positions,
03:53and you have a unique position in Azad Kashmir.
03:56In India's perspective, there are 10 countries,
04:01including China, Russia, and Kazakhstan.
04:06Do you think that, obviously, Narendra Modi has not come,
04:11but considering the current situation, the post-378 scenario,
04:16is this a good development at the ministerial level?
04:20Or do you think that if Narendra Modi had come to power,
04:26that would have been a good gesture?
04:30First of all, thank you very much for inviting me.
04:33And secondly, I would like to say that please do not restrict me to India.
04:36I would like to present some points about the NGO.
04:42First of all, the importance of the conference is very high.
04:46For a long time, for almost two decades,
04:49such conferences were not being held in Pakistan.
04:52You yourself said in your introductory speech that
04:55we were seeing that where cricket was not played,
04:59or there were no meetings of the lower level,
05:02there is a head-to-head meeting.
05:04This is correct.
05:05I am so sorry, Mr. Masood.
05:07I am ending you.
05:08Let's continue from here.
05:10But let's welcome him in this transmission.
05:13And of course, he is very relevant because of his portfolio.
05:16And of course, he heads his party.
05:18That is why he has been the foreign minister of Pakistan.
05:21He has been the foreign minister.
05:23And as the foreign minister,
05:25when the issue of the foreign minister was raised,
05:28he went to India.
05:29There he saw a lot of interviews,
05:31which we have seen,
05:32which have become the adornment of the media there and here.
05:35Chairman of the Pakistan People's Party,
05:37Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
05:38is on the phone with us.
05:39I will also say that he is a former foreign minister.
05:41Because of course, we have to talk about the SCO.
05:43Mr. Bilawal, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
05:44Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Hussain.
05:45How are you?
05:46Alhamdulillah.
05:47I hope you are fine.
05:48Thank you very much for your time.
05:50Mr. Bilawal, if I can start from here,
05:52you tell me,
05:53how do you see this as a former foreign minister,
05:56and as I said,
05:57you yourself were in the same position,
05:59that on such an occasion,
06:00when there are 10 member states,
06:02the Prime Minister of the majority has come,
06:04of China, of Russia,
06:05it is obvious that the Prime Minister of India has not come.
06:07So, do you see this as a negative messaging,
06:13or do you think that the prevailing conditions of Pakistan and India,
06:16especially the post-370 scenario,
06:18where a foreign minister has come,
06:20is a good messaging from India?
06:22Thank you very much, Hussain.
06:25Obviously, this is a very good thing for Pakistan.
06:29Today, not only are we hosting the SCO conference in Pakistan,
06:37but this conference is being held under the leadership of Pakistan.
06:42And as you said,
06:44the previous SCO conferences,
06:47obviously, as a foreign minister,
06:50I had a lot of involvement in them.
06:52And even then, my involvement, or my hard work,
06:57was to keep this in mind,
06:59that this conference was to be held in Pakistan this year,
07:04and we also had to lead it in our own way.
07:09And in the same way,
07:12I was working hard in the context that,
07:14God willing, when there is a conference in Pakistan,
07:16this conference should also be successful.
07:21I understand that,
07:23as you said,
07:26the ministers of all countries are present in Pakistan for this conference.
07:35As far as the Indian context is concerned,
07:38I will get on to the specifics of your question.
07:41But in this context, I went to Pakistan as the SCO,
07:45and took the Prime Minister with me,
07:48when there was a head-to-head meeting in Pakistan.
07:52And then, keeping this in mind,
07:55we decided that,
07:57despite all the difficulties,
08:00and despite the situation in India,
08:03but when there was an Indian SCO conference,
08:07I became Pakistan's first foreign minister,
08:10and after so many years,
08:12in a multilateral context,
08:16I went to the Indian SCO conference,
08:19and also held the Pakistan conference in media.
08:22After that, the head-to-head meeting in India,
08:27India held it online.
08:29So that was its own decision,
08:32and according to that decision,
08:35the Prime Minister did not get a chance,
08:37to go or not to go.
08:41The head-to-head meeting in India,
08:43the decision that India's Foreign Minister will attend,
08:49I welcome that.
08:51I think that this was the reason,
08:54that when the government of Pakistan decided to go there,
08:57that this multilateral avenue and our commitment,
09:00which is the SCO,
09:02the SCO's institution,
09:04they wanted to show that.
09:06Now it was entirely up to them,
09:08who they wanted to send.
09:10And if the Prime Minister was as confident,
09:13that he could conduct himself in this context in Pakistan,
09:18then he would have come himself.
09:20Or if he thought that his best representative,
09:23could be his Foreign Minister,
09:25then it was his own decision.
09:27But the success of this conference is definitely,
09:30that Pakistan and India's bilateral issues,
09:34not only did we succeed in the SCO conference in India,
09:38but the SCO conference in Pakistan,
09:41is moving towards success.
09:44So both India and Pakistan proved,
09:47that our commitment to the SCO,
09:50and our commitment to the SCO's multilateral commitments,
09:54is more important than our bilateral relations.
09:59Yesterday, another Pakistan's former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,
10:02gave a statement about Modi,
10:04and he said that it would be better if he came himself.
10:06He said that sooner than later,
10:08and I expect that he will also talk to him,
10:10and the issues with India as a whole,
10:12will move forward in a good direction.
10:14My question is that some Indian analysts,
10:16portrayed it as if it was a shift,
10:20or a major statement,
10:21maybe a shift is an overstatement on my part,
10:23that maybe this is a big statement,
10:26because the previous government,
10:28has been encouraging India to reverse the 370-A,
10:33whereas Nawaz Sharif has not given any such signal.
10:36So my question to you is,
10:37as a former foreign minister,
10:38do you endorse this position that Nawaz Sharif said,
10:40or do you think that the 370-A has taken such a big step,
10:43that now any credible leader with India,
10:46is encouraging India to reverse the 370-A?
10:48Sujata, I would encourage you and everybody else,
10:52to look at the SCO conference,
10:55through the lens of multilateralism.
10:57According to the rules of the SCO conference,
11:01we cannot bring our bilateral issues,
11:03into the context of this conference.
11:06And because of this very rule,
11:09the SCO is moving towards success,
11:14and India has completely frustrated the SAR platform.
11:21So when you comment,
11:24when you have expectations according to this conference,
11:27then we should have the same expectations,
11:31while keeping the multilateral context in mind.
11:35In the same framing,
11:37I, as the foreign minister of Pakistan,
11:39went to India,
11:40and in the same framing,
11:41and in the same space,
11:43according to the realities of India,
11:46and according to the realities of Pakistan,
11:48we went there and they have come here.
11:51Having said that,
11:53I would definitely like to say,
11:55that the SCO conference in itself,
11:58my attendance at the Indian SCO conference,
12:02and now the foreign minister of India's attendance
12:06at the conference happening in Pakistan,
12:09goes to show,
12:10that even though Pakistan and India have bilateral issues,
12:14and we are,
12:16currently both countries' stated positions are,
12:19until we address those bilateral issues,
12:22we cannot engage in any other bilateral issues,
12:25or for that matter,
12:26any substantial multilateral issues.
12:28But the actual fact that the SCO takes place,
12:32I went to India,
12:34and the SCO happened,
12:35and we all agreed over there,
12:37to various multilateral agreements.
12:42I mean, you understand,
12:43these agreements,
12:44regarding climate change,
12:47regarding climate change,
12:49so in the context of SCO,
12:51in the context of SCO,
12:52because of SCO's rules,
12:54we put our bilateral issues aside,
12:58and talk about issues together.
13:00We don't talk to each other,
13:02but all the 7, 8, 10 people sitting together,
13:04we talk to each other.
13:06There are not 2 signatures,
13:07there are 10 signatures,
13:08but we agree on an issue,
13:10and we start acting on it.
13:13So, taking that logic forward,
13:16Pakistan should also think about it,
13:19and India should also think about it,
13:21that is it appropriate
13:23to have so much rigidity in our policies,
13:26or the same SCO's rules,
13:30we change them a little,
13:32and according to our bilateral issues,
13:35start a conversation,
13:38why not,
13:40not in this context,
13:41not today,
13:42not tomorrow,
13:43but it will have to happen someday,
13:45and we will have to agree,
13:47that our position is clear in Kashmir,
13:50India has opposed the United Nations,
13:53the Security Council Resolutions,
13:56has opposed our own constitution,
13:58they have their own position,
14:00in terms of nationalism,
14:02in terms of other things,
14:03in their own place,
14:04but is it not possible,
14:07that Pakistan and India,
14:09in terms of climate change,
14:12we are the top,
14:14the top highest stressed countries on earth,
14:17can't we sit down and talk about this topic,
14:20that if the people of both our countries,
14:22have to stay alive,
14:24we have to face this issue together,
14:27is it not possible,
14:29that we all believe in nationalism,
14:32that it is an issue,
14:33okay, India's position is that,
14:35it is our fault,
14:36our position is that,
14:37it is the fault of Roh and someone else,
14:39but we do believe that it is a problem,
14:42then in that context,
14:44it is necessary to think,
14:46that if we sit together and see,
14:48that in terms of nationalism,
14:50what can we agree on,
14:52as a result of which,
14:53we can save the lives of the people of Pakistan,
14:56we can save the lives of the people of India,
15:01so Pakistan's own position,
15:04and India's own position,
15:07it will definitely be that,
15:09we are only sitting here,
15:11in terms of multilateral contacts,
15:13and SCO,
15:14it is on the people of Pakistan,
15:16and on the people of India,
15:18it is on the media of India,
15:20and on the media of Pakistan,
15:22that you should not let the representative of Pakistan,
15:25nor the representative of India,
15:27give you this answer so easily,
15:31you should ask them,
15:33that if you can sit in the context of SCO,
15:37if you can say these things,
15:39then to solve the problems of our people,
15:43to bring peace in the region,
15:45to face the danger of climate change,
15:48which is a threat to the whole world,
15:52will the coming generations,
15:55forgive our government,
15:57or forgive the government of India?
15:59And sir,
16:00Bilal sir,
16:01while moving forward on this,
16:03it will be accepted that we will not sit here,
16:06but you have to ask this question,
16:08and I am hopeful that,
16:10the way I spoke to the media of India,
16:13I am hopeful that,
16:15the PM of India,
16:17who is present here,
16:18whom we are boasting,
16:20that he too,
16:21will not be afraid of the Pakistani media,
16:23will not back down,
16:25and will definitely answer your question.
16:27And you expect this,
16:29despite being a former foreign minister,
16:31although it is obvious,
16:33that a person can't say a lot of things,
16:35you are not,
16:36you are free from that,
16:37so you can give a statement,
16:39which is quote-unquote popular,
16:41which has a good domestic consumption,
16:44yet you are saying all these things,
16:46which you just said.
16:47So you expect that,
16:49the sitting foreign minister,
16:50when Jai Shankar comes here,
16:52he too,
16:53in his speech,
16:54or in media interaction,
16:55will not say anything of this kind,
16:56that all the headlines will be there,
16:58that terrorism,
16:59in whatever words,
17:00will not be included in Pakistan,
17:01that all the debates will go somewhere else.
17:02He gave a such-and-such statement,
17:03even before coming here.
17:04So you will expect,
17:05that he too,
17:06while taking care of his position,
17:07will talk constructively,
17:08so that the debate does not go somewhere else.
17:10And you will be disappointed,
17:11if he does not do this.
17:13An innocent question.
17:15This should happen,
17:16as you said,
17:18and I respect,
17:20the Indian Foreign Minister,
17:22and we are also hosting him,
17:25and Pakistan,
17:26with respect to its culture,
17:28we take our hospitality,
17:30very seriously.
17:32So I would not like to say anything like this,
17:34when the Indian Foreign Minister,
17:37is on our land,
17:39and is our guest,
17:41which is critical,
17:43or he feels bad.
17:45Although when you were a guest there,
17:47some things happened,
17:48which should not have happened.
17:49Sir,
17:50in terms of our culture,
17:52in terms of our perspective,
17:54I will expect this only,
17:57he will do his responsibility,
17:59he will speak positively,
18:01and appropriately.
18:03As far as I know,
18:05the Indian Foreign Minister,
18:07may not be able to live with this,
18:13and as far as terrorism,
18:15is concerned,
18:17may be he will be threatened.
18:19I will appeal to you,
18:21I will appeal to the people of Pakistan,
18:23that even if he does,
18:26remember that we are the hosts,
18:28we are hosting him,
18:31so if your guest makes a mistake,
18:35we should forgive him.
18:37We will not make such a mistake,
18:41and neither the Indian Foreign Minister,
18:44nor the people of India,
18:46should get a reason,
18:49to complain.
18:51Thank you very much.
18:56I am really grateful.
19:23Thank you very much.
19:53He expects that he will not do this,
19:55but even if he does,
19:57Pakistan being a host nation,
19:59we will tolerate him,
20:01according to our traditions.
20:03This is said by the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan,
20:06Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
20:08Thank you for your time.
20:10Today's discussion is related to SCO,
20:12so we did not talk about politics.
20:14I will continue with this debate.
20:16Before this,
20:18Masood Ahmed Khan was with us,
20:21I want to apologize,
20:23I interrupted him.
20:25Mohammad Malik is with us.
20:27I am grateful to both of them.
20:30Masood, can you hear me?
20:34Yes, I can hear you.
20:36Give me 3-4 minutes,
20:38then I will present my point of view.
20:42If you allow me.
20:44Go ahead.
20:46First of all,
20:48I would like to say that
20:50due to SCO,
20:52Pakistan is gaining popularity.
20:54At the regional level,
20:56and at the international level.
20:58The positive effects of this
21:00will be political,
21:02strategic,
21:04and economic.
21:06Second,
21:08the visit of the Chinese Prime Minister
21:10is very important.
21:12Very important decisions have been made,
21:14and the most important decision,
21:16in fact, the most important progress
21:18has been that
21:20Gwadar airport has been inaugurated.
21:22This will be a very big airport.
21:24And in this way,
21:26Gwadar, Balochistan,
21:28and Pakistan
21:30will be connected to the whole world,
21:32and especially to this region.
21:34This will increase business,
21:36investment, trade,
21:38and the shipping industry will benefit.
21:40This is the second point.
21:42Thirdly,
21:44Pakistan has always
21:46said that
21:48India is recovering
21:50from terrorism.
21:52However, there have been no incidents of terrorism.
21:54If you look at the last decade,
21:56especially after 2019,
21:58no one is allowed to breathe
22:00in the occupied Kashmir.
22:02What terrorism will they do?
22:04But look at the strange coincidence
22:06that today,
22:08when the Indian Foreign Minister
22:10Bilawal Bhutto
22:12said that
22:14we will welcome them with
22:16a lot of morality and culture,
22:18and we will treat them
22:20very well
22:22within the framework
22:24of the Kasir-ul-Jahti organization.
22:26But remember one thing,
22:28Canada has taken
22:30a few steps today.
22:32They have
22:34welcomed five Indian
22:36ambassadors,
22:38and they have
22:40changed their country.
22:42This is a very extreme
22:44and serious step.
22:46I will tell you one reason for this.
22:48There is a discussion going on
22:50in Canada and America.
22:52There are three countries
22:54that are targeted by India.
22:56One is Pakistan,
22:58and the other is America.
23:00In America,
23:02they tried to kill Gurpatwan Singh,
23:04but it didn't work.
23:06He was killed in Canada.
23:08So three countries,
23:10Pakistan, America, and Canada
23:12are targeted by India.
23:14India wants to prove
23:16that it does not respect any law.
23:18Pakistan has been the biggest victim.
23:20The second thing,
23:22when the announcement
23:24of the airport was made,
23:26before that,
23:28Pakistan's enemy, Nasir,
23:30was attacking the Chinese.
23:32China has given us this gift.
23:34This accord was made
23:36with our joint efforts.
23:38I have two short points left.
23:40One is that
23:42Pakistan's importance
23:44is in the new
23:46emerging international system.
23:48The whole world
23:50believes in it.
23:52This conference
23:54should be
23:56a starting point
23:58for the rise of Pakistan.
24:00In the last two decades,
24:02when we were fighting
24:04against terrorism,
24:06our reputation was
24:08that this area
24:10is not safe
24:12for investment
24:14or any other business.
24:16That black veil
24:18is being lifted from Pakistan.
24:20In the end,
24:22I will say that
24:24there are three very difficult
24:26issues in front of this conference.
24:28One is Ukraine,
24:30which should be accepted.
24:32The second issue is
24:34the Middle East.
24:36Iran is taking an initiative
24:38in this area.
24:40The issue of Palestine
24:42or Gaza
24:44is not only for the Arabs
24:46but also for the Palestinians.
24:50The third challenge
24:52is how to
24:54resolve the conflict
24:56between Pakistan and India.
24:58We can only hope and pray.
25:28Let's talk about this.
25:30I think
25:32there is a difference.
25:34In Pakistan,
25:36there is no
25:38anti-India narrative.
25:40I don't think
25:42any mainstream
25:44political party
25:46sells such a narrative
25:48in its election campaign.
25:50There is a side campaign
25:52but there it is sold
25:54and marketed.
25:56This is clear
25:58from the statements
26:00of both the foreign ministers.
26:02Let's talk to Malik
26:04after a short break.
26:16Welcome to the special edition
26:18of Airbnb News.
26:20We will talk about
26:22the situation
26:24in the Middle East.
26:54We will talk about
26:56the situation
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28:00the situation
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28:06the situation
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28:12the situation
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28:18the situation
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28:50We will talk about
28:52the situation
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28:56We will talk about
28:58the situation
29:00in the Middle East.
29:02We will talk about
29:04the situation
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29:08We will talk about
29:10the situation
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29:14We will talk about
29:16the situation
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29:48We will talk about
29:50the situation
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29:54We will talk about
29:56the situation
29:58in the Middle East.
30:00We will talk about
30:02the situation
30:04in the Middle East.
30:06We will talk about
30:08the situation
30:10in the Middle East.
30:12We will talk about
30:14the situation
30:16in the Middle East.
30:46We play on strengths.
30:48We have always played on negativity.
30:50If we do this,
30:52we will blow up the bomb.
30:54If we do this, we will launch a nuclear missile.
30:56Negativity has a share.
30:58Even our strategic location
31:00is more of a market as a liability
31:02than an asset.
31:04We made an impression
31:06that 25 crore people
31:08can do anything.
31:10We made an impression
31:12that 25 crore people
31:14can do anything.
31:16We made an impression
31:18that 25 crore people
31:20can do anything.
31:22What did China see?
31:24When you look at SCO stats,
31:26when you look at SCO stats
31:28of financial trade,
31:3086 billion dollars plus
31:32has been invested.
31:34The volume of exchanges
31:36has increased by 1400 billion.
31:38The volume of exchanges
31:40has increased by 10-20 times.
31:42There is a saying that if you do business with someone, you don't kill them.
31:49India and China, in Ladakh, they killed each other's men.
31:53Do you remember when they killed the Chinese troops?
31:56Yes, yes, the footage is so big.
31:58India, China is India's third largest trading partner.
32:02Imagine.
32:03The business is running at its own pace.
32:06Did India or China change their stance in Ladakh?
32:11They shot each other.
32:13In fact, both of them want to become police officers in this area, but they are also working together.
32:18Today, two days ago, China scrambled jets over Taiwan.
32:23On military exercises.
32:25Taiwan's largest investment outside China is in the whole of China.
32:31Just tell the viewers that the footage you are watching is the latest.
32:36Prime Minister of Pakistan met with the Prime Minister of Tajikistan, Mr. Rasool Dada.
32:40Viewers are watching the footage on their television screens.
32:42Obviously, today is such a day.
32:44Such high-level meetings will continue.
32:46Mr. Diwali, please conclude this.
32:48There will be a debate in Kashmir.
32:52We cannot leave the principal position.
32:55There is a crazy leadership there.
32:58Modi, Doval, Amit Shah.
33:01These are people of Hindutva.
33:03They do not see themselves in the context of political history.
33:06They see themselves in the context of religious fanaticism.
33:09When there will be a history of Hindutva, what will we be in it?
33:13They consider themselves demigods.
33:14Do not expect rationality from them.
33:16But why is India so strong today?
33:18India's reserves crossed 700 billion three days ago.
33:22700 billion dollars.
33:25What are our reserves?
33:27If we had 14 billion dollars, we would have held a state bank press conference.
33:32Look, we will have 13 billion dollars.
33:34We had to give 11 billion dollars in loan.
33:36Only two will be left.
33:37We can still do it.
33:38In these positions, the world does not weigh with you.
33:42This is very true.
33:44A relative of yours gets off a bus.
33:47Your servant salutes him.
33:49He gets off the rickshaw and the servant says,
33:51Wait, I will find out if Mr. Waseem is awake or sleeping.
33:54These are the realities of the world.
33:57So you are pleasantly surprised by the statement that Mr. Bilal has given.
34:01And you understand that this is a very bold statement.
34:03Allow me to take a break, Mr. Malik.
34:05There should be a debate.
34:06I will tell you two stories.
34:08Mr. Malik, let me take a break.
34:10Let's continue from here.
34:11Then you will have to take care of it.
34:13Let's continue.
34:14And then tell me what you want to say.
34:16Then tell me that this is the attitude of Pakistan's leadership.
34:22But when you have a declared Hindutva mindset in front of you,
34:28where there is a Jodal mindset, where there is a Modi mindset,
34:32where there is an Amit Shah mindset,
34:33if they do not reciprocate this,
34:36and still these statements will come from here,
34:39then the market will be like,
34:40Brother, he is lying, he is apologizing.
34:42What to do?
34:43So how do you move forward with this?
34:45Let's talk about this after a short break.