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00:00:00Good day, dear viewers, the guest of today's show is Mirko Filipović,
00:00:28we don't need to introduce him, Mr. Filipović, welcome.
00:00:31Good day.
00:00:32I heard you came from Disneyland this morning, is it better in Disneyland or Croatia?
00:00:39For me it's better in Croatia.
00:00:41You went because of your son?
00:00:44I promised my son a long time ago, and it turned out to be a good opportunity to take him, so I had to keep my promise.
00:00:49You told me before the show that you went on Friday, but came back today without training.
00:00:55I went on Saturday.
00:00:57You came back today without training, 24 hours without training immediately causes a nervous breakdown.
00:01:03Well, basically yes, that's what my whole life is dedicated to, training, and your whole life consists of training, you can't do without it.
00:01:12I don't mean wrestling training, I didn't do boxing, I came from the airport and went to the gym,
00:01:19ran a few kilometers, did push-ups, deadlifts.
00:01:23You would feel bad.
00:01:25You came back at 12.30, after that on the training show.
00:01:28That's right.
00:01:30We saw you 14 days ago, at 4 a.m., we wouldn't have watched you,
00:01:35then, who saw you, of course, but you didn't live up to the expectations of those who made that little effort.
00:01:43Somehow you were anemic in the last fight, you were not to be recognized, fearful, inactive.
00:01:50You are right, but I regret that I didn't live up to the expectations of the fans, but I regret that I didn't live up to myself.
00:01:59To be honest.
00:02:01It's not about me, it's about myself.
00:02:03I do it all for myself, it's my life, I love it, I appreciate it, I respect people who love this sport,
00:02:09I'm grateful to the people who support me, but it's still my life, and it was the hardest for me.
00:02:14I know that I kicked in the fight.
00:02:16Why is that?
00:02:18I have to devote some time to the search for answers.
00:02:21Why did I, recently, after the Grand Prix...
00:02:25Yes, 4 years have passed since then.
00:02:27Since the Grand Prix, I had...
00:02:29A severe injury left me in all that last year.
00:02:35I had a severe knee injury.
00:02:37All in all, since the Grand Prix, I had up to 4 operations.
00:02:42I mean, 5 with nose surgery, which I had to do.
00:02:46I had 5 operations, and I'm not satisfied, to be honest.
00:02:49Let's talk about this match first, and then we'll discuss the theory of what and how.
00:02:56What do you think now, when you watch this match?
00:02:58Did you watch the match?
00:02:59No.
00:03:00You didn't come?
00:03:01No.
00:03:02You probably remember how it looked.
00:03:03I remember.
00:03:04Why am I asking you that?
00:03:05I heard that, literally, an hour before the match, you were waking up with ice.
00:03:12That you weren't awake.
00:03:15What happened to you?
00:03:17I don't know where that information came from, but it's true.
00:03:20Simply because the match was at 5 o'clock.
00:03:23I simply had a rhythm, and I was dreaming.
00:03:25But that doesn't matter.
00:03:26The match doesn't matter.
00:03:27You have to look for excuses in some kind of sleepiness.
00:03:30So I woke up.
00:03:32So you expected...
00:03:33Your opponent was simply better than me.
00:03:35That night, he was more eager, he was hungry for victory.
00:03:38And that was shown in the fight.
00:03:40Why didn't I want to risk it?
00:03:42I don't know.
00:03:43I have to find the answer to that question.
00:03:45Did I get lazy?
00:03:46Did I get old?
00:03:47Is there no motive?
00:03:48I really don't know.
00:03:49And no one can know that.
00:03:50People can philosophize whatever they want.
00:03:52Yes.
00:03:53Whatever they want.
00:03:55On some pages, even on UFC pages, I noticed,
00:04:00and it could be seen from the look of the transfer itself,
00:04:03that you were looking for a break in the fight.
00:04:05Is that true?
00:04:06That's not true.
00:04:07Is that true?
00:04:08You look at it and you don't like it.
00:04:10No, I wasn't looking for a break in the fight.
00:04:12I got hit in the eye.
00:04:13After that, I didn't see anything.
00:04:15I simply had a bruise in that eye.
00:04:17I didn't see anything.
00:04:18I just turned around.
00:04:19I practically didn't see where my opponent was.
00:04:21I turned around disoriented.
00:04:23I was afraid that something was wrong with my eye.
00:04:25To be honest.
00:04:26I got hit.
00:04:27It hurt me.
00:04:28Suddenly, there was no picture on that eye.
00:04:30It was the left eye.
00:04:31I didn't see the picture.
00:04:32The referee ran in.
00:04:33I looked at him.
00:04:34He started waving.
00:04:35Break in the fight.
00:04:36Is it better to break in the fight?
00:04:37I think so.
00:04:38My eye really hurt.
00:04:39I didn't see.
00:04:40I don't know if it lasted 10, 15, 20 seconds or half a minute.
00:04:43I didn't have a picture on that eye.
00:04:45Maybe it's better.
00:04:46Health is the most important thing here.
00:04:48Although I, as a fighter, have to say that I hate it.
00:04:51I hate to admit that it's better.
00:04:53But you have to be honest in life and say that it's better.
00:04:57In a few interviews, you said that your main motive was money.
00:05:00What is it today?
00:05:02You don't have a motive.
00:05:03The question arises again.
00:05:05While you had a motive for money, you fought as you should.
00:05:09Now that you don't have that motive, you've earned enough.
00:05:12What's next?
00:05:14It's hard for me.
00:05:16They chased me after that fight.
00:05:18I consider myself a fighter.
00:05:20Like all people who perform.
00:05:22A real fighter.
00:05:23It's hard for him.
00:05:24It was very hard for me.
00:05:26I would have explained to Kolok Velovrachan after that fight in the hotel room.
00:05:30And that I will never do it again.
00:05:32That's how much it hurt me.
00:05:34But on the other hand, I'm trying to say that it's not a shame.
00:05:37Shame doesn't stop.
00:05:38I have to find strength.
00:05:40I will try to find strength.
00:05:42To finish that contract.
00:05:43Not because I have to.
00:05:44I have to explain to people who are watching.
00:05:46When a contract is signed.
00:05:47I sign a contract only for exclusivity in the UFC.
00:05:49So I can't go now and do one fight in Japan.
00:05:51One fight in England.
00:05:52I don't know where.
00:05:53Exclusive contract.
00:05:54I promised those people.
00:05:56That I will do two more fights.
00:05:57And I will do those two fights.
00:05:58It will be three.
00:05:59I don't know if it will be four.
00:06:01But I promised myself two.
00:06:03And I will try to do two fights.
00:06:05I will try to find a motive.
00:06:07It wasn't a matter of preparation.
00:06:09It was a matter of the head.
00:06:11It was a matter of the head.
00:06:12Only a matter of the head.
00:06:13Only a matter of the motive.
00:06:14And that's the hardest thing in wrestling.
00:06:16Only one thing.
00:06:17Especially in the ultimate fight.
00:06:18Only a matter of aggression.
00:06:19Who is more aggressive, he will win.
00:06:21And that's how it is.
00:06:22Who starts first, he will win.
00:06:23Because there are practically no gloves.
00:06:25Those are bare feet.
00:06:26In the practical sense.
00:06:27I will allow you to know more about these things than me.
00:06:29But it's not always like that.
00:06:30Who is more aggressive, he wins.
00:06:32Sometimes the smarter one wins.
00:06:33Of course.
00:06:34Who has a defensive tactics.
00:06:35Of course.
00:06:36Not now.
00:06:37Who will fly now, he will win.
00:06:38Of course.
00:06:39Generally speaking, the opponent must be more aggressive.
00:06:40I remember Shane Carvin and Gonzaga.
00:06:41Who crushed Vaso.
00:06:42Gonzaga was more active in the first 40 seconds.
00:06:43However, he was crushed by one hook.
00:06:44In wrestling, unlike all other sports, there is a factor called lucky punch.
00:06:45There is no such thing in tennis.
00:06:46There is no such thing in football.
00:06:47You can't accidentally shoot a goal in the 91st minute or two goals in a row.
00:06:48That's impossible.
00:06:49And here, every second, when two men weigh 110 kilos enter the ring, someone can fall
00:06:50every second.
00:06:51And that happens often.
00:06:52But you can't do that.
00:06:53You can't do that.
00:06:54You can't do that.
00:06:55You can't do that.
00:06:56You can't do that.
00:06:57You can't do that.
00:06:58You can't do that.
00:06:59You can't do that.
00:07:00You can't do that.
00:07:01You can't do that.
00:07:02You can't do that.
00:07:03You can't do that.
00:07:04You can't do that.
00:07:05You can't do that.
00:07:06You can't do that.
00:07:07You can't do that.
00:07:08You can't do that.
00:07:09You can't do that.
00:07:10You can't do that.
00:07:11You can't do that.
00:07:12You can't do that.
00:07:13You can't do that.
00:07:14You can't do that.
00:07:15You can't do that.
00:07:16You can't do that.
00:07:17You can't do that.
00:07:18You can't do that.
00:07:19You can't do that.
00:07:20You can't do that.
00:07:21You can't do that.
00:07:22You can't do that.
00:07:23You can't do that.
00:07:24You can't do that.
00:07:25You can't do that.
00:07:26You can't do that.
00:07:27You can't do that.
00:07:28You can't do that.
00:07:29You said that your inactivity was noticed.
00:07:31You were similar with Chik Kong.
00:07:33And with Icon Zagom in some way.
00:07:35Exactly.
00:07:36You say that you lack that aggressiveness.
00:07:40How do people, for some reasons,
00:07:42you mention that maybe it's because you are too old.
00:07:45But how do top fighters,
00:07:47I will mention only from some similar wrestling sports,
00:07:50fighters like Peter Arts,
00:07:52like Vitaly Klitschko in boxing,
00:07:54who is 38 years old,
00:07:56like Kojtura, who is 46 years old,
00:07:58in the last match with Minotaur,
00:08:00he did three rounds,
00:08:02and he lost to everyone in honor.
00:08:04He was bad, but he was biting.
00:08:06You don't bite.
00:08:07I know.
00:08:08That's the problem.
00:08:10When you are looking for a reason for that,
00:08:14you say that there is a psychological barrier
00:08:17because of entering the cage.
00:08:20How does it manifest itself?
00:08:22That's not the reason.
00:08:24No?
00:08:25No, that's not the reason.
00:08:27I don't know.
00:08:28I don't remember.
00:08:29Is it the reason for the injuries
00:08:31that I had in the last three years,
00:08:33I had five surgeries.
00:08:35Is it a subconscious fear?
00:08:36Maybe I can't control it.
00:08:37Maybe I don't know why.
00:08:38Maybe it's a subconscious fear
00:08:39that I will get injured again.
00:08:40Is it the fear of that operating table again?
00:08:42Is it the fear of rehabilitation again?
00:08:44I don't know.
00:08:45I really don't know.
00:08:46Do you have a fear of knockouts like Gonzaga?
00:08:48No.
00:08:49Many will say that you actually fell after Gonzaga.
00:08:55Look, I allow everyone to have their own opinion.
00:08:58I would ask that those who didn't
00:09:00at least five times,
00:09:01not 5,000 like me or 50,000,
00:09:03but at least five times
00:09:04got tired during the training,
00:09:05didn't fight,
00:09:06but when they get tired five times like me,
00:09:09then they don't comment on what they want.
00:09:11Everyone has the right to have their own opinion.
00:09:13Yes.
00:09:14What is your goal in the sport you do?
00:09:17Your former conditioning coach Jukić said
00:09:20that the most important thing is to set a goal.
00:09:23Have you tried to set a goal?
00:09:25The goal is the title,
00:09:26but now it is quite far away.
00:09:27Yes.
00:09:28What is the goal?
00:09:29There is no goal now.
00:09:31Every fighter at the beginning of his career
00:09:34tries to solve the existence in a certain way.
00:09:36And whoever says otherwise is lying.
00:09:38They are all there to be paid.
00:09:40When did you decide?
00:09:41How many years has it been?
00:09:43It doesn't matter.
00:09:44Stanković didn't have a lot of money,
00:09:46but he needed a little.
00:09:47I'm not asking how much you earned.
00:09:49I know.
00:09:50You had the best fights in your career
00:09:52at the Grand Prix three years ago.
00:09:55You weren't much younger then.
00:09:5735 years in martial arts is not much.
00:10:00That's when I was more motivated.
00:10:02I will shorten the story.
00:10:04I will really try to find a motive
00:10:06to do the contract until the end.
00:10:08I will try to change some things in my training,
00:10:11in the approach to training.
00:10:14There are things for which I know for sure
00:10:16that I made a mistake.
00:10:18It is possible that I will hire a sports psychologist.
00:10:21There is a great possibility.
00:10:23I have already agreed on some ways,
00:10:25some conversations to try to solve the problem.
00:10:27I simply love Stanković.
00:10:29It's not that someone is forcing me to do something.
00:10:32I love it.
00:10:33I started training twice a day when I was a kid.
00:10:36It's hard for people to understand
00:10:38that I can't do without that training.
00:10:40I came from the plane and immediately left.
00:10:42I had to stop so as not to be late for the show.
00:10:44I had to recover.
00:10:45I had to run 3-4 km on the track,
00:10:47do a number of push-ups, push-ups,
00:10:49push-ups, push-ups,
00:10:51run, sweat, get dressed.
00:10:53That's my life.
00:10:54That's my life.
00:10:55I can't make peace with the fact
00:10:57that someone is giving me 100 million dollars.
00:10:59He says, never again.
00:11:01Don't even think about entering the ring.
00:11:03I wouldn't take that money.
00:11:05I can't spend it.
00:11:07Who has ever gone to the grave with himself?
00:11:09No one.
00:11:10I want to live my life.
00:11:12I really love it.
00:11:13I am a fighter from head to toe,
00:11:15I don't want to give up.
00:11:17It's a part of every man's life.
00:11:19To correct you, Pantelij wanted to take you to his grave.
00:11:22We'll send Pantelij.
00:11:24That's it.
00:11:25I am a fighter.
00:11:26I don't want to give up.
00:11:28Even when the mind says one thing,
00:11:30the heart says another.
00:11:32I am like that.
00:11:34I will really try to find a motive.
00:11:36I have been training actively since I was a kid.
00:11:38I trained once a day.
00:11:40Now I will continue.
00:11:42I think I did some things wrong in training.
00:11:45I will try to concentrate more on the training itself.
00:11:49The approach to the fight.
00:11:51Maybe I will try to go two days earlier.
00:11:53I never liked to go a few days earlier to the fight.
00:11:56I always come at the last minute.
00:11:58That's why I avoided the press conference.
00:12:00Because the last day I came,
00:12:02I was afraid of the jet lag,
00:12:04so that the time zone would not catch me.
00:12:06But that's what I want.
00:12:08I just love it.
00:12:09I enjoy it.
00:12:10I can't imagine myself now.
00:12:12I have enough of everything.
00:12:14I have enough of the military way of life.
00:12:16I have been serving in the army for 25 years.
00:12:18Let's say 20.
00:12:20But I have been in training for 25 years.
00:12:22I left elementary school every day.
00:12:24But every day, Stanković.
00:12:26There was no holiday, no Friday.
00:12:28As a boy, without any control,
00:12:30without anyone to guide me,
00:12:32to explain me some principles of training,
00:12:34principles of rest, nutrition.
00:12:36Every day I ran two laps.
00:12:38There is a place in my hometown,
00:12:40it is 5.5 km circle.
00:12:42Every day I ran two laps.
00:12:44That's 11 km.
00:12:46After that, I ran in the rain.
00:12:48My father came to me,
00:12:50sometimes at 12 o'clock.
00:12:52Outside it was minus 10 degrees.
00:12:54Of course, there was no heating.
00:12:56It was closed only on three sides.
00:12:58Sometimes when the wind blows,
00:13:00there is a lot of snow.
00:13:02I cleaned it with a shovel,
00:13:04and I ran like mad.
00:13:06Where did that energy come from?
00:13:08I thought about everything.
00:13:10I will try to start with training again.
00:13:12I will try to find a motive.
00:13:14I will try to remove the mistakes
00:13:16that I have made so far.
00:13:18In the last seven fights,
00:13:20it was catastrophic for me.
00:13:22I won four fights,
00:13:24I lost three fights.
00:13:26It was catastrophic for me.
00:13:28Do you need a coach with authority?
00:13:32Yes.
00:13:34I had a good team.
00:13:36I hope I'm not going to give you a secret.
00:13:38There were people who encouraged you
00:13:40to go to spring training.
00:13:42You tried, but after three days
00:13:44you are bored, so you go back.
00:13:46Don't you have an authority
00:13:48who would tell you this and that?
00:13:50Would you respect them in that way?
00:13:52No, no, no.
00:13:54I will tell you about spring training.
00:13:56I was in spring training.
00:13:58After 13, I really came back.
00:14:00It's more of a shame than a benefit.
00:14:02That's how I function.
00:14:04I can't.
00:14:06First of all, the food was catastrophic.
00:14:08First of all, the accommodation.
00:14:10Not the accommodation itself,
00:14:12but I just felt bad there.
00:14:14We trained for two and a half days,
00:14:16I just felt bad.
00:14:18On the third day, I was bored,
00:14:20so I came back.
00:14:22Of course, I agree with that.
00:14:24After that, it happened to you
00:14:26that in the seventh minute of the match
00:14:28you no longer had a breath.
00:14:30Yes, but it was harder for me
00:14:32to do those preparations.
00:14:34It's more of a shame than a benefit.
00:14:36Of course, I support spring training,
00:14:38that's for sure.
00:14:40You talked to Anton Kostelic about
00:14:42that cooperation.
00:14:44We didn't talk about cooperation.
00:14:46We changed our experience.
00:14:48He changed his experience,
00:14:50I told him mine.
00:14:52Yes, when they asked him,
00:14:54he said that your sport is boundless
00:14:56and that your training should be like that.
00:14:58But he didn't specify anything,
00:15:00but his colleague Maja Kubik
00:15:02made a three and a half minute contribution.
00:15:04She talked to people who do
00:15:06professional sports,
00:15:08who have some experience in it.
00:15:10She talked about the motivation
00:15:12of professional athletes to stay
00:15:14in the job they do for a long time.
00:15:26When the most famous Croatian policeman
00:15:28experienced his third defeat in the UFC,
00:15:30many said that they would not
00:15:32wake up at 4 a.m. to watch Mirko.
00:15:34After the defeat of a 10-year-old
00:15:36young fighter,
00:15:38not even Mirko himself
00:15:40wanted to wake up.
00:15:42Slogans like
00:15:44I give up my career,
00:15:46it's time to take off my gloves,
00:15:48they shouted from the newspapers.
00:15:50The caretakers concluded
00:15:52that it's not the same Mirko,
00:15:54it's best if he stops.
00:15:56We don't know too much about the sports motives
00:15:58of a professional athlete
00:16:00and the decisions about the rest of his career.
00:16:02We asked experts.
00:16:04One coach, one former athlete
00:16:06and one sports psychologist.
00:16:08All are complex.
00:16:10Without a motive, there is no professional sport,
00:16:12and psychological preparation is crucial.
00:16:14A person through sports experiences
00:16:16a lot of stress, a lot of pain,
00:16:18a lot of extremely important situations
00:16:20in relation to other people.
00:16:22And you can learn from that story.
00:16:24If you do that, you leave a peaceful sport,
00:16:26you continue a new story.
00:16:28Željko Mavrović is one of those athletes
00:16:30who changed the sports story
00:16:32to a business one.
00:16:34He withdrew to the top of his career,
00:16:36partly because health
00:16:38no longer allowed him
00:16:40great efforts.
00:16:42Yes, sport is.
00:16:44Three training sessions a day,
00:16:46everything is programmed.
00:16:48A dozen people care about you,
00:16:50plan your training, food, massage you,
00:16:52everyone cares about you.
00:16:54At some point, you are left alone.
00:16:56And you have to create
00:16:58your own days,
00:17:00your own discipline.
00:17:02Coach Blanke Vlašić,
00:17:04Željko Mavrović's father,
00:17:06knows very well about the discipline
00:17:08in sports.
00:17:10As he was engaged in sports himself,
00:17:12he is aware that athletes need
00:17:14top motivation before every competition.
00:17:16There was one opportunity,
00:17:18I opened it and said,
00:17:20I want you to do your circle every day.
00:17:22It was a spurt.
00:17:24And now she jumped well.
00:17:26She said, wait,
00:17:28I'm standing at the airport,
00:17:30and he says,
00:17:32what will I say?
00:17:34Being at the top of the sport
00:17:36you are engaged in is an immeasurable pleasure.
00:17:38Željko Mavrović and Joško Vlašić
00:17:40know this, but the sports career
00:17:42is shorter than others.
00:17:44The end often comes too soon
00:17:46and on the athlete knows
00:17:48One of the most common
00:17:50is that athletes
00:17:52build their own
00:17:54personal identity
00:17:56on their sports career.
00:17:58And when I stop being an athlete,
00:18:00then I stop being me.
00:18:02For athletes not to stop being
00:18:04what they are,
00:18:06the support of a sports psychologist is important.
00:18:08And if Mirko Filipović,
00:18:10at least on two upcoming
00:18:12and contract-related fights,
00:18:14decides to be Mirko Krokap,
00:18:16then he must be 100% ready.
00:18:18Mirko, if you are really ready,
00:18:20run, run to the ring,
00:18:22burn with your lungs,
00:18:24be ready for the next match,
00:18:26go to him and you will do it easily.
00:18:36This sports psychologist said
00:18:38a good thing,
00:18:40and that is that professional athletes,
00:18:42in any case,
00:18:44we talked about it 6 years ago,
00:18:46whether it is a sport or not,
00:18:48that professional athletes
00:18:50simply base their whole identity
00:18:52on their sports success,
00:18:54and when they retire
00:18:56or retire,
00:18:58they simply lose their ego.
00:19:00Are you afraid of civility?
00:19:02Absolutely.
00:19:04These are two things that break in me.
00:19:06Sometimes I am fed up with
00:19:08the military way of life,
00:19:10to be everything by the millimeter,
00:19:12to be able to go out at 7am,
00:19:14to be able to walk everything,
00:19:16to have up to 8 hours,
00:19:18to start training at 9.30am,
00:19:20to finish training at 11am,
00:19:22to be able to rest after that,
00:19:24to have a soup on the table
00:19:26at 2.00am,
00:19:28to be in bed at 3.30am,
00:19:30to sleep until 5am,
00:19:32to be able to rest for the evening training,
00:19:34to be able to go to the gym at 6.30am,
00:19:36to start the evening training at 6.30am,
00:19:38and so on for 20 years.
00:19:40These are almost everyday injuries,
00:19:42strokes, hematomas,
00:19:44shooting arcades,
00:19:46there are elements of crawling,
00:19:48Croatian throwing,
00:19:50so you can't get up in the morning
00:19:52from bed, so on.
00:19:54Such a situation is really countless.
00:19:56Do you risk in these fights
00:19:58to the end in some way
00:20:00and possibly with some serious injury
00:20:02that the audience,
00:20:04which remembered you well,
00:20:06laughs at you in some way
00:20:08I think that in this sport
00:20:10there is no place for laughing.
00:20:12At least normal people will not laugh,
00:20:14not even with one fighter.
00:20:16Everyone who is brave enough
00:20:18to enter the fight, to do it,
00:20:20deserves respect and respect,
00:20:22at least from normal people.
00:20:24And for the others,
00:20:26their opinion does not interest me at all.
00:20:28So can you finally say
00:20:30what and how further in your career?
00:20:32I tried that, but they interrupted me.
00:20:34It's hard to live a military life,
00:20:36I tried to give an example
00:20:38to our colleague, a journalist,
00:20:40when he told me that a man
00:20:42serves a prison sentence.
00:20:44Such a situation is countless.
00:20:46Literally 30-40 years in prison
00:20:48and they let him out.
00:20:50He literally the same day
00:20:52makes a mistake,
00:20:54breaks something,
00:20:56takes a pack of cigarettes,
00:20:58just to get him back inside,
00:21:00because he is not ready
00:21:02for a so-called civil life.
00:21:04That's what I'm afraid of.
00:21:06I'm afraid of military life.
00:21:08Don't you regret your life in prison?
00:21:10No, no, no, I enjoy it,
00:21:12but how am I going to
00:21:14organize my life in Stanković now?
00:21:16Here's my question to Filipović.
00:21:18Well, be a businessman,
00:21:20like Željko Mavrović.
00:21:22No, I don't have the finitivity for that.
00:21:24No?
00:21:26No, I have my own life philosophy.
00:21:28I believe that this life is too short,
00:21:30too poor, too one,
00:21:32too hard.
00:21:34Ok, 6 years ago you told me
00:21:36that you will focus on
00:21:38educating young people in this sport.
00:21:40No?
00:21:42That's hard.
00:21:44Why?
00:21:46I had some bad experiences with it.
00:21:48This is an individual sport,
00:21:50it's so hard to work with people.
00:21:52I had a few cases,
00:21:54so I was badly beaten.
00:21:56How? What happened?
00:21:58Well, people who trained with me
00:22:00know that.
00:22:02One guy showed up,
00:22:0419 years old, young,
00:22:06and hungry, most importantly.
00:22:08Brave,
00:22:10very strong puncher,
00:22:12big desire to fight.
00:22:14He came, he showed,
00:22:16he came to the training with a friend,
00:22:18and after 10 days I told him to stay
00:22:20if he wanted to train with us.
00:22:22I don't tell anyone, I train in my own house,
00:22:24I have my own court, so it's not a public space,
00:22:26and I don't allow anyone to come to train.
00:22:28In the end I talked to him,
00:22:30I asked about him,
00:22:32he doesn't live in Slovakia,
00:22:34he lives in an apartment,
00:22:36it was a terrible situation.
00:22:38He was a good student,
00:22:40I believed that he can do something.
00:22:42I was wrong, I believed that he can do something.
00:22:44In the end I helped him,
00:22:46without asking for anything in return,
00:22:48I just wanted to help him as a human being,
00:22:50because I believed that he can do something.
00:22:52There is always hunger,
00:22:54there is nothing.
00:22:56I gave him 500 euros per month
00:22:58for food,
00:23:00and I paid for his accommodation,
00:23:02to train.
00:23:04I said, let's start training,
00:23:0610-15 fights,
00:23:08I'll make you a contract in Japan or America,
00:23:10it doesn't matter where.
00:23:12But how could I do that,
00:23:14so he comes to the training,
00:23:16one of the guys comes,
00:23:18the other doesn't come,
00:23:20when he takes off his clothes,
00:23:22he goes to the gym,
00:23:24I told him,
00:23:26it doesn't matter,
00:23:28throw him down,
00:23:30we'll make a bench for 5 seconds,
00:23:32and that's it.
00:23:34I told him,
00:23:36at least 500 times,
00:23:38I told him,
00:23:40at least 30 times,
00:23:42I told him,
00:23:44after warming up,
00:23:46do this, that,
00:23:48he did it maybe 2 times.
00:23:50I don't want such disappointment,
00:23:52I don't want such disappointment.
00:23:54I wanted to ask you that,
00:23:56I don't want to tell you,
00:23:58like Ernesto Costa,
00:24:00that you didn't have luck
00:24:02to train 15 of them.
00:24:04I'll tell you,
00:24:06never say never,
00:24:08that's what I learned in life,
00:24:10but how things are now,
00:24:12I don't know.
00:24:14I want to understand,
00:24:16everyone who comes to me,
00:24:18I'll help them with my advice,
00:24:20I don't want them to say,
00:24:22I'm not for that anymore,
00:24:24I fell in love,
00:24:26I don't feel good,
00:24:28I don't need that.
00:24:30I don't want to participate in that way.
00:24:32My doors are open for everyone,
00:24:34who thinks I can give them advice,
00:24:36help them, guide them.
00:24:38Guys who are in that sport,
00:24:40know how they can come to me,
00:24:42it's not a secret,
00:24:44but I think,
00:24:46never say never,
00:24:48that I'll train only for myself,
00:24:50alone,
00:24:52in my four walls,
00:24:54for my health,
00:24:56for my satisfaction,
00:24:58but that I'll train someone.
00:25:00Wrestling is a big lottery,
00:25:02we look at you who are successful,
00:25:04but what can you say to kids,
00:25:06it's not that easy,
00:25:08and few of them achieve success,
00:25:10as long as they do it
00:25:12in a way to succeed,
00:25:14and to play for existence,
00:25:16like you.
00:25:18That's true,
00:25:20it's very hard,
00:25:22I never recommend that to my son.
00:25:24Did you have luck in all of that?
00:25:26Of course,
00:25:28sport luck is very important,
00:25:30luck is common in life,
00:25:32and sport luck is like in any other sport.
00:25:34Of course,
00:25:36it was a big work for me,
00:25:38a lot of enthusiasm,
00:25:40persistence,
00:25:42that's the key,
00:25:44but you weren't recognized as a sportsman in Croatia.
00:25:46I'm not bothered with that.
00:25:48Ok, but I know
00:25:50that in your family
00:25:52you were subjected to,
00:25:54in some way you felt humiliated,
00:25:56when you,
00:25:58if I'm not mistaken,
00:26:00were describing your son in the playground,
00:26:02and you were asking for an opportunity
00:26:04to have a job,
00:26:06but you couldn't,
00:26:08because Croatian Olympic Committee
00:26:10doesn't recognize you as a sportsman.
00:26:12The state was asking for me,
00:26:14I even had to submit
00:26:16something to the Ministry of Finance,
00:26:18just to be a sportsman.
00:26:20The Ministry of Sports
00:26:22just gave me a confirmation,
00:26:24nothing else.
00:26:26They refused to give me that
00:26:28under the argument that I'm not a sportsman.
00:26:30I think that's humiliating.
00:26:32I don't want to be praised,
00:26:34but the state is asking for me,
00:26:36and on the other hand,
00:26:38the state doesn't want to give me that.
00:26:40However,
00:26:42in some of my performances,
00:26:44when I fought from Fedor to Minotaur
00:26:46to Grand Prix,
00:26:48hundreds of millions of people
00:26:50were watching the Croatian flag
00:26:52and Croatian anthem.
00:26:54I think there's no reason
00:26:56to be humiliated in that way.
00:26:58I'm not saying that someone personally
00:27:00had something against me,
00:27:02but regardless of the fact that the state
00:27:04couldn't give me a single confirmation
00:27:06that I'm a sportsman,
00:27:08I don't think it makes sense
00:27:10to promote my home country.
00:27:12I don't mean to offend them,
00:27:14but I was humiliated in a different way.
00:27:16But it's a shame.
00:27:18Is it your fault that they didn't
00:27:20put you in the selection
00:27:22for the sportsman of the year?
00:27:24I never thought about that.
00:27:26I'm aware that it's a cruel sport
00:27:28and that there's a category of people
00:27:30who will never recognize it as a sport,
00:27:32even though it's nonsense.
00:27:34I don't want to be praised.
00:27:36It's nonsense.
00:27:42Is there a chance
00:27:44for you to return to K1?
00:27:50I started my career with K1
00:27:52and it's my big passion,
00:27:54my big love.
00:27:56My life and sports career
00:27:58took me to the other side,
00:28:00but I would have liked
00:28:02to fight in K1
00:28:04if I had the chance.
00:28:06I had my last fight
00:28:08in 2003 against Bob Sapp
00:28:10and it was a beautiful sport,
00:28:12at least for me.
00:28:14You admitted that you prefer
00:28:16watching K1 than Ultimate Fight.
00:28:18It depends on the fight.
00:28:20In general, yes,
00:28:22Ultimate Fight is a much more
00:28:24demanding, complex and complete sport.
00:28:26Who do you appreciate in K1?
00:28:28For example,
00:28:30three or four years ago
00:28:32there was a young guy
00:28:34called Badr Hari,
00:28:36who promises a lot.
00:28:38He's definitely one of the best.
00:28:40Badr Hari is here,
00:28:42there's also a three-time winner
00:28:44Remy Bunjasky,
00:28:46there's also Sammy Shield,
00:28:48Peter Aerts, who I adore,
00:28:50who is a beautiful man
00:28:52and who helped me a lot in my career.
00:28:54Maybe you should ask Peter Aerts
00:28:56where he is.
00:28:58He's been losing fights
00:29:00with Smieszko.
00:29:02Thank you for the advice.
00:29:04I'll think about it.
00:29:06When you mentioned Aerts,
00:29:08people don't know,
00:29:10but I have a feeling
00:29:12that he's losing fights
00:29:14with Smieszko.
00:29:16He's very optimistic
00:29:18and he already has 40 fights
00:29:20on his doorstep,
00:29:22if I'm not mistaken.
00:29:24At the beginning,
00:29:26I asked you about
00:29:28Croatia.
00:29:30We talked six years ago
00:29:32when you were elected
00:29:34as an MP.
00:29:36How do you feel
00:29:38after six years?
00:29:40Croatia?
00:29:42Yes.
00:29:44It's our country.
00:29:46I'll remind you,
00:29:48before you became
00:29:50active in the Parliament,
00:29:52you were a guest
00:29:54on the show
00:29:56Let's see
00:29:58how Mirko Filipović
00:30:00looked six years ago
00:30:02full of enthusiasm.
00:30:04When it comes to sport,
00:30:06we need to change
00:30:08the attitude towards culture,
00:30:10the status of sport.
00:30:12We need to start
00:30:14the prevention
00:30:16in schools,
00:30:18to explain to young people
00:30:20the dangers of drugs,
00:30:22that it's not a test.
00:30:24We need to show people
00:30:26the dangers of drugs,
00:30:28that it's not a test.
00:30:30I, as a former policeman,
00:30:32have some examples.
00:30:34First of all,
00:30:36as for all of us,
00:30:38the whole Croatian society,
00:30:40it's a big problem
00:30:42to increase the number
00:30:44of criminal cases.
00:30:46It's hard to steal,
00:30:48it's hard to rob,
00:30:50it's a big chance
00:30:52to increase the number
00:30:54of criminal cases.
00:30:56I think that the police
00:30:58should be based on
00:31:00the number of criminal cases.
00:31:02First of all,
00:31:04the Croatian police
00:31:06doesn't have enough equipment.
00:31:08For example,
00:31:10two most obvious examples
00:31:12are bulletproof vests
00:31:14or bulletproof shirts.
00:31:16The Croatian police
00:31:18doesn't use bulletproof vests.
00:31:20For this reason,
00:31:22two, unfortunately,
00:31:24King and Murg,
00:31:26have died.
00:31:28Am I old, Jakub?
00:31:30Six years?
00:31:32I don't know,
00:31:34let the people
00:31:36who have aspirations
00:31:38say that.
00:31:40I didn't ask you
00:31:42for aspirations,
00:31:44I just asked you
00:31:46to say that.
00:31:48I'm a little bit old,
00:31:50but okay.
00:31:52Remember,
00:31:54maybe I lost
00:31:56the fight with him,
00:31:58but I can always
00:32:00beat you.
00:32:02School, drugs,
00:32:04criminal.
00:32:06I stay with what I said.
00:32:10Were you disturbed
00:32:12by inactivity at the parliament?
00:32:14Well, without any reason.
00:32:19You didn't use your hand on your heart that often, did you?
00:32:23I'll tell you why. Because I'm a practical man.
00:32:27I went there every day, and every time I participated,
00:32:30the effect was the same as if no one showed up in that hall.
00:32:33The effect was exactly the same.
00:32:36Why?
00:32:37Because the hall today is just a voting machine,
00:32:40and the main thing there is to raise your hand.
00:32:42And that's it.
00:32:44Everything functions according to the principle of a central party.
00:32:47And that's how it is.
00:32:48When did you realize that?
00:32:50When I entered the council. It was already too late.
00:32:53That's how it is. I can speak for the situation I was in.
00:32:57That's how it works today.
00:32:59HDZ was in power then. I mentioned HDZ.
00:33:01It is still in power today, and it was then.
00:33:03Whatever decision the government makes,
00:33:05that council must vote for the members of HDZ.
00:33:09I've never seen a vote where half of the people voted for,
00:33:13and half of the people voted against.
00:33:16Vladimir Sheik raised his hand.
00:33:18Who is for? Vladimir Sheik raised his hand.
00:33:20All of their representatives raised their hands.
00:33:22It's possible that all 70 or 60 of them were thought out in the same way.
00:33:25That's a side effect.
00:33:27There's no point in talking about something that has no effect.
00:33:32Unfortunately, that's how it is.
00:33:35We should first change the electoral system
00:33:37so that every member of the council can vote for his electorate.
00:33:42I'm not an expert, but I don't know how it should be done.
00:33:46This electoral system is simply not good.
00:33:49Was it a bad experience for you?
00:33:51No. I never regret anything in my life.
00:33:55It was a nice experience for me.
00:33:57I met a lot of people, I saw how it works,
00:34:00and I don't regret it.
00:34:02Did they respect you in the council?
00:34:04No.
00:34:05At least I didn't notice it.
00:34:07Maybe they did behind my back, but I didn't notice it.
00:34:09Like Gleg, a limited boxer.
00:34:12I didn't notice it.
00:34:14I didn't give people a reason to be limited or to offend me.
00:34:19Do you think so?
00:34:21No, no, I'm asking you.
00:34:23I don't know how people think in the council,
00:34:26because I don't hang out with them,
00:34:28but in the journalism circle,
00:34:30you could hear what they need.
00:34:32It's better to fight than to enter the council.
00:34:35It's not educated enough.
00:34:37No matter what I do, there will always be people
00:34:40who will say what they need.
00:34:42If Bill Gates gives me all his money,
00:34:45and I return the foreign debt of the Republic of Croatia,
00:34:48there will always be people who will say what they need.
00:34:51If I open 10 hospitals, they will say what they need.
00:34:54He's not a normal man.
00:34:56There are always 100 people, 100 miracles.
00:35:00There is a group of people,
00:35:02a few of my closest friends,
00:35:04who I really respect,
00:35:06and I consult with them.
00:35:08I can only laugh about it.
00:35:13Is it true that Senator Vrbov tried to get you into the Council?
00:35:16No.
00:35:18What do you think about the sudden departure of the Prime Minister?
00:35:22Where and where?
00:35:24I don't know. There were 100 theories.
00:35:27100 theories, 100 versions.
00:35:29I don't know.
00:35:31I've never been in personal contact with Senator Vrbov.
00:35:34Of course, we met.
00:35:36I didn't know him that well.
00:35:38But I can only think about it.
00:35:40In a certain way, he was forced to resign.
00:35:43For what reason?
00:35:45For health reasons?
00:35:47For medical reasons?
00:35:49For family reasons?
00:35:51I don't think there is a reason.
00:35:53I don't think he's the kind of person
00:35:55whose argument is,
00:35:57I've done my part, I don't want to do it anymore.
00:36:00I think it's unbelievable for him.
00:36:02Maybe I'm wrong,
00:36:04but I think he was forced to resign in a certain way.
00:36:06For what reason? I don't know.
00:36:08How do you assess this move?
00:36:10I think it's both politically and humanly incorrect.
00:36:13The way he left.
00:36:15I think it's not correct.
00:36:17Of course, Senator Vrbov has the right to his election.
00:36:19No one can stop him.
00:36:21But I think it's at least politically incorrect.
00:36:24Even though HDZ started with him,
00:36:26with the program he represented,
00:36:28he was the backbone of the whole campaign.
00:36:30People voted for him.
00:36:32HDZ as a party got the most votes in the elections.
00:36:34The most mandates.
00:36:36And he got the legitimacy to form a government.
00:36:38I think people voted for Nadir,
00:36:40not for HDZ as much as for him.
00:36:42He was the personification of HDZ.
00:36:44In the elections.
00:36:46Everyone agrees on that.
00:36:48I don't know what the reasons were for him to resign.
00:36:51I really don't know.
00:36:53But it's politically incorrect.
00:36:55How do you assess his successor?
00:36:57As prime minister.
00:37:00I think that
00:37:02Jadranka Kosor surprised a lot.
00:37:05She showed
00:37:07a lot of toughness
00:37:09than many expected from her.
00:37:11To be honest.
00:37:13She surprised me as well.
00:37:15She was practically always
00:37:17an assistant.
00:37:19I think that
00:37:21even the president of HDZ
00:37:23wasn't so serious
00:37:25about this election.
00:37:27She probably surprised a lot of people.
00:37:29There were speculations
00:37:31that Nadir named her
00:37:33for his successor,
00:37:35which everyone accepted with acclamation.
00:37:37So that he could influence the government through her.
00:37:39However, I have to say
00:37:41that Jadranka Kosor surprised me personally.
00:37:43At least in some parts.
00:37:45She's not as crazy as people said.
00:37:47She's not as crazy as people thought
00:37:49and as many people thought
00:37:51from Orhan's side.
00:37:53What do you think?
00:37:55Do you want to keep women
00:37:57at the head of the government?
00:37:59I don't know.
00:38:01It's a matter of political analysis.
00:38:03I hope so.
00:38:05Jadranka Kosor isn't the prime minister of HDZ.
00:38:07She's the prime minister of all of us.
00:38:09I want to be as successful as possible in my mandate.
00:38:11Is it true that you run here and there
00:38:13with Zoran Milanovic?
00:38:15I ran here only once.
00:38:17Which one was better?
00:38:19Which one was better?
00:38:21Which one was better, yes.
00:38:23Milanovic was in such a good condition
00:38:25that I thought
00:38:27that I should call the ambulance
00:38:29to come and get him.
00:38:31He's a good runner,
00:38:33but unfortunately he didn't show
00:38:35a good condition then.
00:38:37I have to be honest and say
00:38:39that he gave up on the first night
00:38:41and then we ran together again.
00:38:43He's a good runner,
00:38:45but unfortunately he didn't show
00:38:47a good condition then.
00:38:49Do you think he's in a good condition
00:38:51for some other campaigns?
00:38:53You have to be more specific.
00:38:55He claims to take over the government
00:38:57of this country and his party.
00:38:59Do you think he's in a good condition for that?
00:39:01I think so.
00:39:03I think he's in a good condition
00:39:05in a political sense.
00:39:07Our country is,
00:39:09as I would say,
00:39:11in a way,
00:39:13complicated.
00:39:15There are too many things
00:39:17that need to be fixed.
00:39:19I don't know how strong he is
00:39:21and how much support he has
00:39:23in his party.
00:39:25I don't know.
00:39:27I don't want to speculate,
00:39:29but I think he has the strength
00:39:31for the prime minister's position.
00:39:33How successful that position will be,
00:39:35how brave and personal he will be
00:39:37with all the problems that await him
00:39:39and I hope he will succeed
00:39:41in forming a government.
00:39:43When you were in the Parliament,
00:39:45you could see from the inside
00:39:47how things work in the SDPU.
00:39:49You're not in the Parliament anymore,
00:39:51but based on what you can see
00:39:53and hear in the media,
00:39:55what do you think?
00:39:57What do things look like in the SDPU?
00:39:59I can be very specific.
00:40:01We just mentioned Milanović.
00:40:03I can ask you something about Milano Bandić.
00:40:05Is it good that what's happening
00:40:07in the SDPU is happening?
00:40:09Is it good that Milano Bandić
00:40:11is running for president?
00:40:13That's Milano Bandić's personal thing.
00:40:15But I always support that he has
00:40:17different opinions.
00:40:19He should never rule with one mind.
00:40:21That's enough.
00:40:23If Milano Bandić feels the urge
00:40:25to run, let him run.
00:40:27If he thinks, and he's one of
00:40:29our most experienced politicians,
00:40:31if he thinks he can get elected,
00:40:33why wouldn't he run?
00:40:35Would you throw him out of the SDPU?
00:40:37That's a hypothetical question.
00:40:39The SDPU has two candidates.
00:40:41I don't want to get into that.
00:40:43Those are internal matters of the SDPU.
00:40:45I don't want to get into that.
00:40:47Vidovčić was thrown out of the SDPU
00:40:49according to the party statute.
00:40:51I don't know how it's going now.
00:40:53I didn't get into those details.
00:40:55I don't know if he should be thrown out.
00:40:57Who do you like the most
00:40:59in the current election
00:41:01for president of the Republic?
00:41:05I personally know all the candidates.
00:41:07You can answer this question better.
00:41:09I didn't mean to.
00:41:11I'm a friend of his.
00:41:13He's an expert.
00:41:15I personally know all of them.
00:41:17It's all a matter of personal preference.
00:41:19OK.
00:41:21Who do you like?
00:41:23I think that Ivo Sipović
00:41:25has a better chance in this election.
00:41:27Are they your choice?
00:41:29You don't have a party
00:41:31to hide that answer?
00:41:33No.
00:41:35I will vote for Ivo Sipović.
00:41:37What do you like about him?
00:41:39Do you like him as a man?
00:41:41I didn't ask you that.
00:41:43I asked you about Stanković.
00:41:45You are a real provocateur.
00:41:51When we talk about the president
00:41:53of a country,
00:41:55some criteria must be met.
00:41:57Many people are not realistic.
00:41:59I'm not talking about candidates.
00:42:01The president of a country
00:42:03must be a moral person.
00:42:05He must be educated.
00:42:07He can't be crazy.
00:42:09I think that Ivo Sipović
00:42:11satisfies all three criteria.
00:42:13I don't want to have a president
00:42:15who will be manipulated.
00:42:17Despite the relatively small
00:42:19powers that the president has.
00:42:21On the other hand,
00:42:23those powers are not that small.
00:42:25The president creates foreign policy.
00:42:27The president must sign
00:42:29a secret service.
00:42:31Those powers are not that small.
00:42:35I believe that Ivo Sipović
00:42:37can do that.
00:42:39I know him personally.
00:42:41We were friends.
00:42:43I think that he is a moral and honest person.
00:42:45He is an educated person.
00:42:47I know that he is not crazy.
00:42:49In this public discourse,
00:42:51we talk about topics
00:42:53such as nationalism and chauvinism.
00:42:55Wouldn't it be a problem
00:42:57if people who are in power
00:42:59don't produce him?
00:43:01Are you sensitive to people's division?
00:43:03Absolutely.
00:43:05I have always divided people.
00:43:07I understand that people should divide.
00:43:09But only on good and bad.
00:43:11If we are going to expand it
00:43:13on smart and stupid,
00:43:15on bad and good people.
00:43:17To divide people
00:43:19according to their nationality,
00:43:21skin color, religion,
00:43:23I consider it extreme primitivism.
00:43:25I have visited more or less
00:43:27the whole world.
00:43:29I have friends,
00:43:31not only good scientists,
00:43:33but also acquaintances,
00:43:35people of different skin colors.
00:43:37We never talked about their religion.
00:43:39I am not interested in that.
00:43:41I just know that people are honest,
00:43:43honest and correct.
00:43:45I adore those people.
00:43:47As far as chauvinism and national socialism
00:43:49are concerned,
00:43:51you have recently
00:43:53visited Auschwitz.
00:43:55It was just an initiative.
00:43:57It was not a trip.
00:43:59You visited Auschwitz
00:44:01with your friends.
00:44:03Yes.
00:44:05Why?
00:44:07It was my great desire
00:44:09to visit Auschwitz,
00:44:11to see
00:44:13the biggest battlefield
00:44:15in Europe,
00:44:17where millions of people were killed.
00:44:19I wanted to pay my respects
00:44:21to the people of Auschwitz.
00:44:23It is one thing,
00:44:25but it is another.
00:44:27I am a big fan of history.
00:44:29I was interested in that place.
00:44:31It was not difficult for me.
00:44:33I just took my car
00:44:35and we visited Auschwitz.
00:44:37It was a great experience for me.
00:44:39You were in Auschwitz
00:44:41for three or four hours.
00:44:43What was special about it?
00:44:45When you look at
00:44:47that small space
00:44:49you realize
00:44:51that millions of people
00:44:53were killed there.
00:44:55It is not a big space.
00:44:57Millions of people were killed.
00:44:59We were lucky to have
00:45:01an excellent guide.
00:45:03He does not work as a guide.
00:45:05We asked him to show us
00:45:07and explain to us.
00:45:09I think he works
00:45:11as an assistant director
00:45:13in that museum.
00:45:15He explained to me
00:45:17and I was glad.
00:45:19We had a serious
00:45:21argument.
00:45:23It is terrible.
00:45:25It is a human fate.
00:45:27In the middle of the night
00:45:29they put you in a train
00:45:31and the next day
00:45:33they put you in a cage.
00:45:35It is terrible.
00:45:37I think it is terrible.
00:45:39I do not understand people
00:45:41who support it.
00:45:43I do not understand
00:45:45people who support
00:45:47National Socialism.
00:45:49I do not believe it.
00:45:51I think people should
00:45:53go there and see
00:45:55what is going on there.
00:45:57It is terrible.
00:45:59It is one of the most
00:46:01traumatic experiences
00:46:03for me.
00:46:05It is almost twice smaller
00:46:07than your studio.
00:46:09There were thousands
00:46:11of people.
00:46:13They were separated
00:46:15when they were put
00:46:17in the cage.
00:46:19They were immediately
00:46:21liquidated.
00:46:23It is terrible.
00:46:25Thousands of people
00:46:27were involved in
00:46:29the liquidation.
00:46:31I do not understand
00:46:33what happened
00:46:35to those people.
00:46:37I do not know.
00:46:39I am interested
00:46:41in what happened
00:46:43to our young people.
00:46:45I do not want
00:46:47to moralize
00:46:49too much,
00:46:51but I am interested
00:46:53in what happened
00:46:55to those people
00:46:57who were not
00:46:59sophisticated,
00:47:01but they believed
00:47:03in other nationalities.
00:47:05You told me
00:47:07that you read
00:47:09a lot about the
00:47:11situation in Croatia.
00:47:13Your son is in school.
00:47:15I guess
00:47:17children learn something
00:47:19in school,
00:47:21but there are many
00:47:23who relax.
00:47:25Is it because of
00:47:27their family background?
00:47:29Absolutely.
00:47:31I think it is
00:47:33the case in most cases.
00:47:35In Croatia,
00:47:37it is defined
00:47:39in relation to the Second World War,
00:47:41whether to the Ustashas
00:47:43or to the Partisans.
00:47:45It is a family background.
00:47:47Sometimes it is a matter
00:47:49of uneducation.
00:47:51I do not know
00:47:53if it is a secret,
00:47:55but you mentioned
00:47:57that you had people
00:47:59in your family
00:48:01who were in the Ustasha army,
00:48:03but you did not go there.
00:48:05My father died last year.
00:48:07He was a member of the
00:48:09domestic force,
00:48:11but he joined the Ustasha army
00:48:13in Blajburg.
00:48:15My grandmother and
00:48:17my brother were born
00:48:19in the Black Legion.
00:48:21I do not see why
00:48:23they did not choose
00:48:25the wrong side.
00:48:27It is a long and
00:48:29complicated story.
00:48:31I think it is a
00:48:33family background.
00:48:35On the other hand,
00:48:37you have to draw a line
00:48:39between 1941 and 1945.
00:48:41You have to draw a line
00:48:43on the so-called
00:48:45national-Slavic struggle.
00:48:47It was a noble goal
00:48:49to rebel against evil.
00:48:51Hitler's Germany was definitely
00:48:53evil, against the persecution,
00:48:55the killing, the deportation
00:48:57of innocent people.
00:48:59After that,
00:49:01many innocent people
00:49:03lost their lives,
00:49:05many innocent people
00:49:07paid with their heads,
00:49:09and so on.
00:49:11You cannot talk about
00:49:13democracy at that time.
00:49:15I would not go into
00:49:17ideological affiliation.
00:49:19Neither was the
00:49:21National Socialism good,
00:49:23nor was the rigid communism good.
00:49:25I condemn all totalitarian systems.
00:49:27I think no one should
00:49:29talk about the death penalty.
00:49:31Maybe it is best
00:49:33to leave it to the
00:49:35historians.
00:49:37Let the historians decide.
00:49:39We young people
00:49:41should look at the present
00:49:43and the future.
00:49:45How will we secure jobs?
00:49:47How will we enable our children
00:49:49not to go back to that time?
00:49:51That is what I am interested in.
00:49:53How will I enable my children
00:49:55to go to school?
00:49:57That is what I am interested in.
00:49:59I am interested in history.
00:50:01I like to read history books.
00:50:03Of course, I have my own opinion.
00:50:05Should we focus too much on that?
00:50:07No.
00:50:09I was a witness
00:50:11when such topics were
00:50:13on the agenda.
00:50:15There were the harshest
00:50:17controversies, the harshest
00:50:19insults.
00:50:21I just sit and watch.
00:50:23I cannot believe that
00:50:25this is the level of the Croatian Parliament.
00:50:27But there was that.
00:50:29You had to hear if it was heard
00:50:31on TV or not.
00:50:33If the microphone was on or not.
00:50:35It was terrible.
00:50:37Did you have a chance to go back to the Parliament?
00:50:39Or you are not interested in that anymore?
00:50:41I am not interested in that.
00:50:43I did not think about it.
00:50:45We mentioned your son.
00:50:47Is he a strict father?
00:50:49Yes, moderately.
00:50:51There are some things
00:50:53that should not be allowed.
00:50:55I am not generally strict.
00:50:57But I try to
00:50:59get involved in some things.
00:51:01I talk to them a lot.
00:51:03I am not even 7 years old.
00:51:05But I try to explain
00:51:07how to behave,
00:51:09to teach a child to say thank you,
00:51:11to look in the eyes,
00:51:13to look to the left
00:51:15or to the right.
00:51:17That is what irritates me the most.
00:51:19I look to the left or to the right
00:51:21and I talk to someone else.
00:51:23That is a disaster for me.
00:51:25Do you want to send your child to a private school?
00:51:27Yes.
00:51:29I think we have a good educational system.
00:51:31My child goes to Stenjavac primary school
00:51:33with his peers
00:51:35for no apparent reason.
00:51:37Why would I...
00:51:39I think that is not a good way.
00:51:41To just drown the children in it in a certain way.
00:51:43You said that in your childhood
00:51:45among other things
00:51:47it was good that you tasted poverty.
00:51:49Your offspring will not taste poverty.
00:51:51Well, I can't...
00:51:53So that you know how to appreciate it later.
00:51:55We have never been poor.
00:51:57I don't want to say that people
00:51:59from my birthplace who watch this
00:52:01we have never been poor.
00:52:03My father worked on a railroad.
00:52:05My mother was a housewife.
00:52:07My father always had some entrepreneurial ideas.
00:52:09I think he was the first.
00:52:11It was not a coffee bar.
00:52:13He opened a Seva beer.
00:52:15It functioned for several years.
00:52:17It was not a good business.
00:52:19But maybe we lived a little bit
00:52:21better than average.
00:52:23Not the best, not the worst,
00:52:25but maybe a little bit better than average.
00:52:27It was not a great time.
00:52:29People did not know what they had.
00:52:31They drove like everyone else.
00:52:33There were no luxury cars.
00:52:35Once we went to the sea every year
00:52:37for three weeks.
00:52:39That was the only luxury we could afford.
00:52:41I can't say that I was poor.
00:52:43I don't remember my childhood.
00:52:45When my father died,
00:52:47my mother and I were left with nothing.
00:52:49We bought some cars
00:52:5190 years before the war on credit.
00:52:53We had to return the car
00:52:55on credit.
00:52:57We had to close all the debts.
00:52:59It was not like that then.
00:53:01I was in the army.
00:53:03I served in the military.
00:53:05I graduated in 1993.
00:53:07I went to the army.
00:53:09I applied.
00:53:11It was not easy for us then.
00:53:13We could not even get
00:53:15a place to live.
00:53:17We had to survive.
00:53:19I went to Zagreb University.
00:53:21I was in the student house
00:53:23for a year.
00:53:25I had to sleep in the room.
00:53:27It was not a good time.
00:53:29I was not poor,
00:53:31but I did not want to stay at home.
00:53:33There were many times
00:53:35when I did not want to play
00:53:37as a soldier.
00:53:39When I went to the market
00:53:41to buy a banana,
00:53:43I did not have any money
00:53:45in my pocket.
00:53:47I did not want
00:53:49my son to taste it,
00:53:51but I did not want him
00:53:53to get everything for free.
00:53:55When he grows up,
00:53:57he will go
00:53:59to Zagreb
00:54:01to help
00:54:03in the morning.
00:54:05I just wanted him
00:54:07to get used to the work.
00:54:09My son will understand
00:54:11that our house
00:54:13is a little nicer
00:54:15than others.
00:54:17He will understand
00:54:19that his father
00:54:21drives a better car
00:54:23than average.
00:54:25He does not care.
00:54:27He will learn
00:54:29that there is a difference
00:54:31between us.
00:54:33I do not want
00:54:35my son to be an idiot
00:54:37like me.
00:54:39I do not want my son
00:54:41to break his bones
00:54:43and shed his blood.
00:54:45My father will have
00:54:47a good education.
00:54:49I will try
00:54:51to give him
00:54:53the best of me.
00:54:55I will teach him
00:54:57to respect people
00:54:59and not divide them
00:55:01by name and surname.
00:55:03I will teach him
00:55:05to respect his father's actions.
00:55:07It is my job.
00:55:09I will give my son
00:55:11a good education.
00:55:13I will buy
00:55:15for him a house
00:55:17and he will help
00:55:19his father.
00:55:21My son will have
00:55:23the support of his father.
00:55:25He is a footballer.
00:55:27I have described him
00:55:29in our local club.
00:55:31He loves football.
00:55:33I don't want to sound like a sick father who is pushing his child, but he hasn't missed a single training session.
00:55:42He has a fever, he has to go to the gym, he has to explain to his mother that he can't be sick, that he can't be like this.
00:55:46If he has a chance for sport, I will be behind him, I will help him as much as I can.
00:55:55That he will get everything on payday, that he will get a Porsche for his 18th birthday, that's for sure.
00:56:00I have a very common question about Snahe, since you have already answered how you are going to kick him out.
00:56:09I have to ask you one thing. I have an introduction to this question, but I won't get to it, a lot of time has passed.
00:56:16Why did you ban HTW for a long time to broadcast your defeat against Randleman, if I'm not mistaken?
00:56:24Was that a hero?
00:56:26No, that's not true. How could I ban HTW? What did I say to the manager? Don't do that, that's really stupid.
00:56:32HTW couldn't get a video, and that's when your...
00:56:36I've already apologized a few times, I didn't say a word, I didn't say a word.
00:56:40That fight was shown in the end, you can see it on internet portals, don't call me for something I didn't do.
00:56:48That's not the only thing people called me for, I didn't say a word, I didn't say a word.
00:56:54I didn't say a word for that fight, I was badly washed, and that was so uncomfortable for me.
00:56:58Our daily newspaper, Slobodan Dalmacija, was washing me, it's hard for me to rely on some t-shirts.
00:57:06I'm not an onion, I'm not an onion, I'm not a minister.
00:57:08That was on the front page.
00:57:10That man probably thinks he's one of the investigative journalists.
00:57:14He named some numbers he found on the internet, he bought some of my t-shirts.
00:57:18Some guys in Croatia printed and sold them.
00:57:20He sold them to me automatically.
00:57:22There are hundreds of such groups or individuals who sell not only my t-shirts, but all the other t-shirts.
00:57:27In the end, he didn't get the bill, so he could put me in that contract without checking it,
00:57:31because I'm afraid, what do I need for 5, 6, 10 t-shirts to cut,
00:57:34and if there are 6, 7, 10 left, he's going to humiliate me.
00:57:36That's how people are, I'm scared.
00:57:38We didn't say anything to the journalists, but that's fine.
00:57:41That topic is for another time.
00:57:43For the fourth time, right?
00:57:45That's right, for the fourth time.
00:57:46I hope you'll stay in this business.
00:57:48I hope I won't leave it that easily either.
00:57:51So we'll have a topic for another show.
00:57:53But what I want to ask for the end.
00:57:55It's less known to people that you're a big movie fan, so to speak,
00:58:01and that you often cheer up your society with quotes from some movies.
00:58:06So, what do you like?
00:58:08If you want, you can say something at the end.
00:58:11I'm a big movie fan, I have a whole collection of movies at home.
00:58:15I know all kinds of genres.
00:58:18What kind of movies?
00:58:20I don't know, action movies, I have a collection.
00:58:24For me, one of the biggest actors, I love him the most, Clint Eastwood.
00:58:28He's the biggest face for me.
00:58:30I'm sorry that I haven't met him yet,
00:58:32one of the greats of the film industry.
00:58:34I'll try to organize it when I go to America next time.
00:58:37You also met one of the greats, who is deceased today,
00:58:43and who is a hero of the movies you love?
00:58:46Danilo Bata Stojković.
00:58:48He's the best actor for me, from the period of Yugoslavia,
00:58:52in cinematography.
00:58:55I can't forget those three movies, it's a great trilogy for me.
00:58:59Maratonci trče, Počasni krug, Balkanski špijun,
00:59:01Niko to tamo peva.
00:59:02Those are really anthological movies.
00:59:05Danilo Bata Stojković acted in all those three movies.
00:59:08That's why he was a legend for me.
00:59:10I watched Maratonci so many times,
00:59:12that I have to admit, I went to the funeral
00:59:14because of Danilo Bata Stojković.
00:59:16I don't remember when it was,
00:59:18six or seven years ago, maybe eight.
00:59:20There was a performance, it was called Profesionalac.
00:59:22I don't remember which funeral.
00:59:24In Vidra.
00:59:25Maybe, at Sheraton, I don't know.
00:59:27I went, I sat down and watched it.
00:59:29I asked the director, I said I would like to meet him.
00:59:32I watched that movie so many times,
00:59:34and their...
00:59:36Why do we repeat ourselves in our society?
00:59:38Who is your favorite?
00:59:40Is he from Maratonci, is he from Balkanski špijun?
00:59:43Those are all three, I would say,
00:59:45remake works of Juki Matografi.
00:59:48For me personally, Maratonci are my favorite.
00:59:50For me personally, Maratonci are my favorite.
00:59:52Can I persuade you to repeat something from Maratonci?
00:59:57Who is your favorite character and who do you imitate the best?
01:00:00What do you think?
01:00:01What do you make your guys laugh with?
01:00:03Well, there is my favorite character,
01:00:05of course, Laki Topalović,
01:00:07and Billy Pitton.
01:00:08Those are two of the best faces in that character.
01:00:11I would like to quote something,
01:00:13since you know that I know the whole movie by heart.
01:00:18I mean, I understand you, but you understand me.
01:00:20I pay the two who dig,
01:00:21I pay the two who dig graves,
01:00:22I pay the people who inform me.
01:00:24Everyone asks, I just pay.
01:00:25Where do I come from?
01:00:26I've been working for your company for 20 years.
01:00:28I dug out the chests,
01:00:29you clean the mud,
01:00:30you turn them over,
01:00:31you make new ones.
01:00:32Is that right or not?
01:00:33That's right.
01:00:34I worked honestly,
01:00:36now I'm looking for a new account,
01:00:37and that's it.
01:00:38If you don't have money to pay the debt,
01:00:40I have a proposal.
01:00:41That's a small quote.
01:00:42Zoran Radmilović.
01:00:43Zoran Radmilović, legendary, yes.
01:00:46Well, thank you for being on the show,
01:00:49success in your career,
01:00:50what else can I tell you?
01:00:52As few broken arcades as possible,
01:00:53head and the like.
01:00:55That would be about it.
01:00:56Thank you for the cynicism,
01:00:57and for the rest we will solve it outside.
01:00:59There is no cynicism,
01:01:00I like you as a man,
01:01:01and today you are in the best years.
01:01:04Let's go to the couch.
01:01:05Dear viewers,
01:01:06that's all for today.
01:01:08See you in a day.
01:01:09Goodbye.
01:01:33Bye.