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00:00A few days later...
00:05Yes, sir. This is a new target.
00:09There's still a target in sight.
00:13Last October 7th...
00:15The moment when the NHK cameras captured the Israeli bombing of Gaza.
00:34The Israeli bombing of Gaza continues...
00:39This video shows the beginning of a large-scale military conflict in Japan.
00:50The NHK staff living in Gaza,
00:55the producer, Muhammad Shehada,
00:59and the cameraman, Salam Abdafon.
01:09They were the first to report on the situation in Gaza.
01:23However...
01:31We're at the Roots Hotel. We've been targeted by more than one building.
01:36The situation is getting out of control.
01:46Gradually, they get caught up in the conflict.
01:51They become the victims.
01:54We're in the right place.
02:00Usually, you cover up the suffering of other people,
02:07but at the same time, you become one of them.
02:10At the same time, we become journalists. We're the story.
02:16Salam is in the midst of an air strike.
02:19His tent has been destroyed.
02:22He's no longer a journalist.
02:32In November, the cars were no longer able to move.
02:38The water tanks were no longer available.
02:41We've been targeted.
02:44There's no safe place.
02:46On the other hand, Muhammad decided to flee Gaza for the sake of his family.
02:55I'm frustrated. I blame myself a lot that I'm here in Egypt.
03:03I don't know what to do.
03:09What are they trying to tell us from their homeland, which has become a battlefield?
03:19This is the record of their struggle.
03:33Egypt, the border between Gaza and the Middle East.
03:45Muhammad is now living in an apartment on the outskirts of Cairo.
03:52He's evacuated with his wife and two young children.
04:03Come here, Salma.
04:10Here, at the Egyptian base, he continues to cover Gaza.
04:18Hello. Where are you, Salam?
04:22How are you?
04:25Where are you?
04:33His co-worker, Salam, is still in Gaza.
04:39Keep it on, so the internet doesn't disconnect.
04:45The internet is a bit weak, or there's a pixel in the picture.
04:50Yes, maybe because you're a bit far away.
04:57The local communication environment is bad, and there's often no communication.
05:09The two of them have been working at the NHK Gaza office.
05:22They've been working as producers and cameramen in Gaza.
05:27It's becoming more and more difficult.
05:36There are restrictions on the entry of foreign journalists,
05:41but they are important in conveying the reality of the situation in Japan.
05:47The day of the meeting
05:55The day of the meeting was the day the NHK Gaza office met.
06:16Do you accept our family?
06:19Yes, why not? We have a good relationship with them, and they are always welcoming NHK.
06:26When the meeting was decided, Salam and Mohamed packed up the local coverage.
06:33When did the Kuwaitis arrive?
06:36Do you know how much food they eat?
06:39Are they still receiving support from the WCK?
06:43Yes.
06:45And how much does the WCK cover their needs or the project?
06:50Okay.
06:52If they leave, just tell me, okay?
06:56Okay.
06:58Okay, bye-bye.
06:59Salam, Salam.
07:02The three of them are separated, but they continue to communicate the news to Japan.
07:14He knows what's going on in the news, in the international news.
07:18I know what's on the ground, and Salam-san applies what's the request that we need to film.
07:25For me, I blame myself for coming here to Egypt sometimes,
07:32but Salam is doing a very good job,
07:36because he's so professional, so he could cover some of my duties there.
07:48Their daily life changed last October.
07:55Mohamed and his children enjoy the end of summer at the beach.
08:06Salam.
08:08This is the last time they see their family smile in Gaza.
08:17The next morning, Mohamed sends a voicemail to the WCK.
08:25This is an unusual situation.
08:28The amount of rockets from everywhere happened,
08:31and suddenly, without any information before, for us, even the journalists.
08:37Salam turns the camera.
08:43The Islamic organization, the Hamas rocket team,
08:47cuts through the sky and heads for Israel.
08:55Israel
09:00Mohamed hurries to the office in the center of Gaza.
09:25The sound of gunfire and shouts from the street.
09:30The men with guns are driving around a car that looks like it was stolen from the Israeli army.
09:41It was a sight they had never seen before.
09:46A few hours later,
10:05Israel's retaliatory attack.
10:10Israel's retaliatory attack.
10:19This video they sent to Japan
10:23symbolizes the beginning of the tragedy in Gaza.
10:40Israel's retaliatory attack.
10:51The retaliatory attack went on until dawn,
10:55and the two continued to shoot.
10:58Israel's retaliatory attack.
11:05One morning, what they saw was a completely different Gaza.
11:11Israel's retaliatory attack.
11:31The next day, the two went to the largest hospital in Gaza, Shifa.
11:42Israel's retaliatory attack.
11:55A spectacular scene was unfolding.
12:04Without exaggeration,
12:07every minute a car or two was filled with corpses and martyrs.
12:13I saw cars and ambulances.
12:17One of the ambulances was carrying more than five martyrs, children and women.
12:22I was holding Salam from his back,
12:26and I was trying to direct him right and left to the cars that were coming
12:31and the victims who were entering Shifa Hospital.
12:34For more than ten years,
12:38Muhammad and Salam have been telling the reality of Gaza to Japan as NHK staff.
12:49Gaza, where the two were born and raised,
12:53has been attacked by Israel many times,
12:57and people's lives and lives have been taken away.
13:05Muhammad's father was the one who reported the suffering.
13:11He was the first cameraman of the NHK Gaza office.
13:23The two started to help the people of Gaza in order to spread the word to Japan.
13:34Muhammad and Salam's story
13:39For me personally, I studied in two schools.
13:44I saw the banner of the Japanese flag,
13:48this school has been built by Japanese donation.
13:52Through the Japanese media, we were having a little bit influence
13:56on the Japanese people and the Japanese government to deliver our message.
14:02The two have been covering the conflict.
14:07What they are trying to do is to point the camera at the suffering of each person.
14:18The girl who was interviewed ten years ago, Aya,
14:22was bombed and destroyed her home.
14:31And...
14:45She lost her friend in front of her.
14:48She was wounded in her heart.
14:55Seven years later, Aya was interviewed during the armed conflict.
15:02It's indescribable.
15:05I can't describe how I felt.
15:08I can't describe who I was.
15:11I feel like I've been destroyed in the past ten days.
15:15She was once again able to capture a vivid scene.
15:20Aya's story
15:28She was going to study abroad,
15:31but she was wounded in her heart again.
15:34She couldn't continue her studies.
15:36Aya's story
15:47The two have conveyed to Japan the reality
15:51that each person's life is being trampled by the conflict.
15:57I don't want my children to see what I've seen.
16:02I want them to live without attacks or victims.
16:07How many have been killed or how many houses have been destroyed?
16:11For sure, this is like official information,
16:14but we always focus on the human himself.
16:17It's okay, you show some statistics, etc.
16:20But how you can touch the feeling of the audiences
16:24is by giving them an example of themselves,
16:27like another human being in another spot in the world.
16:31He's like you, maybe he works in the same profession as you.
16:34Maybe he has the same members of the family as you.
16:39Aya's story
16:43The two have been through a lot of conflicts,
16:47but this time, they had to face an unprecedented situation.
16:54The bombing reached the NHK Gaza office.
16:59Aya's story
17:03In a relatively safe area,
17:06she had never been attacked before,
17:10but this time she had no choice but to evade.
17:18The danger was approaching her family as well.
17:21Aya's story
17:30The wife of Mohammed, Asia, and her two children
17:34were evacuating to their relatives' house.
17:42Here, too, the Israeli military reported the bombing.
17:52Go, Mohammed, let's go.
17:55In the video filmed by Salam,
17:58Mohammed, who was rushing to his family, was shown.
18:02We're the strong ones.
18:22Salam's family also decided to evacuate.
18:29This time, Mohammed turned the camera.
18:33That's enough, Salam.
18:40They realized that they were the ones
18:44who were involved in the collision.
19:03Aya's story
19:06She rushed to the evacuation site with her family.
19:16They managed to escape to the hotel,
19:20but there was no sign of them.
19:33Aya's story
19:38No matter how hard they tried to escape,
19:41the bombing kept coming.
19:57We're at the Roots Hotel.
19:59We were targeted by more than one building.
20:02We're journalists and families at the Roots Hotel.
20:08There was no safe place.
20:17Salam, your phone is easier to use.
20:20Keep using your phone.
20:24At this time, the NHK reported
20:26that Salam's family was prioritizing their safety.
20:37I'm trying to send the footage
20:40that we took at the Roots Hotel.
20:43Still, the two of them
20:46were trying to fulfill their mission
20:49by continuing to film themselves.
20:52Salam's story
20:55Wuhan was literally the turning point
20:58in my life as a journalist and a citizen of Gaza.
21:01Usually, you cover the difficulties
21:04and suffering of other people,
21:07but at the same time, you became one of them.
21:10At the same time, we became journalists.
21:13We are the story.
21:16On the 7th day of the collision,
21:18the Israeli military reported
21:21that residents of northern Gaza
21:24were ordered to evacuate to the south.
21:31The two of them continued to film
21:34as they fled with their family.
21:41Message?
21:44In English.
21:46In English.
21:54Don't be scared.
22:00They headed to Rafa,
22:03a southern town.
22:11The people who were chasing them
22:13were overflowing with confusion.
22:24The two of them
22:27were trying to convey the reality
22:30of people's forced evacuation.
22:43There is a shortage of food in Gaza Strip.
22:47Rolling.
22:50Two days ago,
22:53this bakery was full of people waiting to get bread.
22:56Today it is closed
22:59because of shortage of mule and flour.
23:04The lack of serious supplies.
23:09The collision between Hamas and Israel
23:11was driving away innocent people.
23:20The electricity was cut off.
23:23There was a shortage of electricity.
23:26There was no way to charge the equipment.
23:33It was getting harder and harder to report.
23:41Most of the Gaza Strip people
23:44are against the 7th of October.
23:47But we have no chance. We have no choice.
23:50We didn't agree on that.
23:53But now we are all victors.
23:56We all want to liberate Palestine.
23:59We want the freedom.
24:02We want to have our lands back.
24:05But not in that way.
24:08The two families
24:11were reaching their limits.
24:13They are all children.
24:16All of them have fever.
24:19But they are not sick.
24:22They are traumatized.
24:35Muhammad's wife
24:38wanted to leave Gaza as soon as possible.
24:40But she couldn't.
25:06As they continued to report,
25:08the responsibility of protecting the family became heavier.
25:11Muhammad's wife
25:14was in a lot of pain.
25:19She was about to lose her mind.
25:22You can't understand the pressure.
25:30I've never seen such a situation.
25:35We all lost weight.
25:38Our faces showed signs of fatigue.
25:41The feeling of being a journalist
25:44and a father at the same time.
25:47I wished I wasn't married.
25:50I wished I didn't have children.
25:53So I wouldn't be responsible for anyone.
25:58Meanwhile,
26:01some information came in.
26:04Residents with foreign citizenship
26:06can escape to Egypt.
26:15Muhammad's wife
26:18used to live in Canada.
26:21She could leave Gaza with her family.
26:29Muhammad was struggling.
26:32Should he escape with his family?
26:34Or should he stay in Gaza
26:37and continue to report?
26:43As a journalist,
26:46I was very upset.
26:49I thought we were delivering the message
26:52so that the world would stand with us
26:55and with our suffering
26:58and the bad situation we live in every day.
27:01If we reach the Egyptian side,
27:04we will be able to help them.
27:07In addition,
27:10Muhammad had a clue.
27:14He sent refugees to the same place
27:17and supported Salam.
27:28Salam didn't have a family
27:31with foreign citizenship.
27:34He was a refugee.
27:41I wished I was with him.
27:44I wished we could work together
27:47like we used to do
27:5010 or 12 years ago.
27:55Salam told Muhammad
27:58that he would stay
28:01and continue to report.
28:05I can't consider this a rise
28:08compared to the wars we've been through
28:11for 15 years.
28:14For the people of Gaza,
28:17this is an imperative.
28:27We got an urgent call to go to Rafah border
28:30because it seems it's open.
28:32There are so many nationalities now
28:35and we are waiting for our name to be called.
28:41For the safety of his family,
28:44Muhammad decided to leave Gaza.
28:51He prayed for Salam's safety.
28:56It was a hasty farewell.
29:02Salam's family
29:05and his family
29:08were devastated.
29:11I suffered a lot
29:14because I was a refugee
29:17and I couldn't stay in Gaza.
29:20It was very painful for me.
29:23I left Rafah and the field
29:26like the journalists say.
29:29It was a very difficult feeling
29:32for me.
30:02The war was over.
30:05The war is over.
30:08The war is over.
30:11The war is over.
30:14The war is over.
30:17The war is over.
30:20The war is over.
30:23The war is over.
30:26The war is over.
30:29The war is over.
30:32The war is over.
30:41The best Salam.
30:44Say hi guys.
30:47I love you all.
31:03Salam, how are you?
31:06Salam, how are you?
31:09Muhammad and his family were evacuated to Egypt.
31:15In the name of God.
31:19The danger of his life was gone,
31:22but his heart was not at rest.
31:25She is something else.
31:28The children remembered the bombing
31:30and did not go to sleep.
31:33Sometimes they cried.
32:00The bomb is a rocket.
32:03Because of the Arabic, I know the translation.
32:06So I told Salma it's fireworks.
32:09And she said, no, it's bombing.
32:12So she's just not even three yet.
32:18The daily life of conflict
32:21had cast a shadow over the hearts
32:24of the young children.
32:30Unfortunately.
32:33We grew up like this.
32:36When you go to a toy store,
32:3980% of the toys
32:42have these kind of military
32:45small weapons,
32:48small grenades, snipers.
32:51Thank you very much.
32:57Muhammad was forced to leave Gaza
33:00and was tortured.
33:12The news of Gaza
33:15and the messages from the people
33:17did not stop for a day.
33:36However, from Egypt,
33:39which is far away,
33:42it is impossible to get accurate information.
33:47It doesn't stop, actually.
33:50So one time, a friend of mine,
33:53she was in the university with me.
33:56She called me crying.
33:59She said, my father has been shot
34:02by an Israeli sniper on Al Wahda Street.
34:05And now he's dying.
34:08I couldn't sleep that night.
34:11Two hours later, she told me
34:14my father passed away.
34:17And it doesn't show in the media.
34:26What can he do for himself?
34:29Muhammad, worried,
34:32asked someone.
34:35Hi. How are you?
34:38His father, Abdel Salam.
34:41He was in Egypt when the war broke out,
34:44so he had to flee.
34:48How are things in Gaza?
34:53In Gaza, Rafah?
34:56It's difficult.
34:59An hour ago,
35:02tents were shelled.
35:05But always we have the best cameras.
35:08Always.
35:12Abdel Salam,
35:14was the first cameraman
35:17in the Gaza office.
35:23He spent more than 30 years
35:26observing the situation in Gaza.
35:34There was a time
35:37when Israel and Palestine
35:40were moving towards peace.
35:45In 1993,
35:48the Oslo Accords were signed.
35:52Israel's withdrawal
35:55from the occupied territories
35:58and the temporary occupation of Palestine
36:01raised expectations for peace.
36:09Five years later,
36:14the first international airport opened
36:17in Palestine.
36:23Abdel Salam
36:25interviewed the international airport in Gaza.
36:27It was the first time
36:30for Abdel Salam
36:33to visit the airport in Gaza.
36:36He said he saw something
36:39that he will never forget.
36:42I remember the soldier
36:45is dancing there
36:48and for the Japanese
36:51it's very strange.
36:54I remember
36:57the soldier is happy
37:00and playing and dancing
37:03and making a group
37:06singing together.
37:09This is a dream for me.
37:12Like you go one day trip
37:15by airplane.
37:18Maybe some people will not believe
37:21in my generation.
37:24We didn't know this definition of freedom.
37:27To your complete freedom.
37:35But after that,
37:38the Palestinian terrorists
37:41and the Israeli attacks
37:44continued.
37:47The airport was destroyed
37:50by Israel in just three years.
37:57While there was no way to peace,
38:00the interest of the international community
38:03in Palestine was gradually lost.
38:11Meanwhile,
38:14Hamas was fighting against Israel.
38:19They took over the Gaza Strip
38:22and advanced to this large-scale attack.
38:28The period when I worked
38:31with my colleagues
38:34on Japanese television
38:37was like a warning bell
38:40and a message
38:43that what happens on the ground
38:46will not serve peace
38:49and will not serve the peace process.
38:58As a journalist,
39:01Abdel Salam was sad.
39:18Abdel Salam said
39:21we should not give up
39:24and continue to spread
39:27the message of freedom.
39:57We are optimistic.
40:00We are hopeful.
40:03We will not lose anything.
40:06We will continue to spread the message.
40:27On this day,
40:30Mohamed invited his friends.
40:57All of them
41:00evacuated from Gaza to Egypt.
41:05He wanted to meet
41:08a journalist from Japan.
41:17One of his friends,
41:20Ibrahim.
41:23Three days ago,
41:25Ibrahim and his family
41:28had just left Gaza.
41:31This is Gaza.
41:34I've been looking for you for two days.
41:37I went to Sayyidina Abu Ghulam.
41:40On October 5,
41:43I was 87 kg.
41:46How much?
41:4966 kg.
41:52The situation on the ground
41:55was even worse than when
41:57I was born.
42:01When we ate fava beans,
42:04the little girl said,
42:07I don't want fava beans,
42:10I want eggs.
42:13I looked for eggs,
42:16but I couldn't find any.
42:19Everyone started to complain.
42:22These were all houses.
42:24I have a job,
42:27a house, a car, a family.
42:30I live a dignified life.
42:33Every day,
42:36you think about your future,
42:39but you can't think.
42:42There is no room for thinking.
42:45When you dare to live
42:48in this society,
42:50you will be oppressed.
42:53Why does everyone live normally?
42:56On the other hand,
42:59we are killed every day
43:02and there is no one to help us.
43:05Mohammed, who had been quiet
43:08until then,
43:11suddenly turned to the camera
43:14and started asking questions.
43:17People need health care.
43:20They need food.
43:23As a reporter,
43:26I wanted to hear more
43:29from them.
43:38I have a wife.
43:41One day,
43:44I was upset
43:47and I told her
43:50that the negotiations had failed.
43:53I was upset all day.
43:56I need someone to give me hope.
44:20I want the Japanese audience
44:23and the media to know more
44:26about the stories of Palestinians.
44:50I want the truth to reach the Japanese people.
44:54One man, Sara,
44:57was recording the scene.
45:07The camera was pointed
45:10at the people who were trying to leave.
45:15What are you looking for?
45:17Who are these people?
45:20Raise your voice.
45:32Due to the fuel shortage in Gaza,
45:35Palestinians use cooking oil
45:38instead of diesel cars.
45:41But this smell is very bad
45:44and I think it's poison.
45:48This is cooking oil.
45:51We put it in the cars.
45:54It affects the bus.
45:57What can we do?
46:00May God protect the bus.
46:05On this day,
46:08Sara went to the evacuation center.
46:11There was someone she wanted to interview.
46:13What are you doing?
46:18This is Aya,
46:21who has been interviewing
46:24for 10 years.
46:27She lost her friends
46:30and her dream
46:33because of the bombing.
46:40She married a local man
46:43and gave birth to a child
46:464 months before the bombing.
46:53What's wrong?
46:56I'm hungry.
46:59I miss you.
47:02Do you think the aid
47:05is enough?
47:08There is no milk
47:10or food in schools.
47:13They should take care of the children.
47:16There is not enough food.
47:19She can't get milk.
47:22She eats biscuits
47:25soaked in water.
47:28To protect her little life,
47:31Aya faced a new challenge.
47:34I hope my daughter
47:37will have a better life
47:40than Aya's.
47:44A month after the interview,
47:47Sara was in danger.
47:54This is the place
47:57where she lived with her family.
48:05We have been living here
48:07for a long time.
48:10If I don't move to another place,
48:13I will give you bad news.
48:17This is my house.
48:20This is what happened.
48:27Sara started
48:30to live in a tent.
48:37The sound of the drone
48:40was disturbing.
48:57I have been living in a tent
49:00for 45 days.
49:03I decided to leave
49:05so that I can
49:08take care of my daughter
49:11and communicate with my colleagues.
49:14I will have to walk
49:173 km.
49:32The physiological state
49:35of the children
49:38is not good.
49:41They can't move.
49:46They can't drink water.
49:49They are being targeted.
49:53There is no safe place
49:56for them to live.
50:05On the other hand,
50:08Mohamed was in Tokyo
50:11to talk about the situation
50:14in Gaza.
50:17However,
50:20he can't stop thinking
50:23about Sara.
50:26It's not read and it's not received.
50:29He didn't receive it.
50:32We are still worried
50:35if there is any bad news
50:38about a friend, about a colleague.
50:41The number of journalists
50:44who lost their lives in Gaza
50:47was more than 100.
50:55This day,
50:58a Japanese university student
51:01was interviewed.
51:03What is life like in Gaza?
51:33People were buying it
51:36to put it in the diesel car.
51:39Believe me, it's an opportunity.
51:42Mohamed, who left Gaza
51:45after leaving Sara,
51:48was asked a difficult question.
51:51What does it mean to you
51:54to be a journalist in Gaza?
51:59Being a journalist in Gaza
52:01is so hard
52:04because you have a duty
52:07to deliver the message
52:10of your people to the world.
52:13Sometimes you are also a victim
52:16directly as you are killed.
52:19You live in a tent.
52:22You lose your equipment.
52:25You lose your office.
52:28So it's really hard.
52:31There was something I wanted to do.
52:38I prepared a sketchbook
52:41from Egypt.
52:46In Gaza,
52:49where it's rare to go abroad,
52:52there is a moment
52:55when I think of my loved ones
52:57and my country.
53:02Salam, my colleague.
53:05We should release
53:08some pain
53:11and enjoy a peaceful moment here.
53:14Maybe it's the best place
53:17to enjoy a moment in Tokyo.
53:20Mohamed has been a journalist
53:23since he left Gaza.
53:26At that time,
53:29his love for Salam
53:32was strong.
53:35As a friend of Salam,
53:38I hope he will be released.
53:41Regardless of whether
53:44the media will stop him or not.
53:47I want to see Salam
53:50safe and sound
53:52as soon as possible.
53:55I'm trying to call him
53:58a video call.
54:01I hope it will work.
54:04Hello.
54:07How are you?
54:10I want you to be happy.
54:13I miss you a lot.
54:16I miss you a lot.
54:22I miss you a lot.
54:35I miss you a lot.
54:38I miss you a lot.
54:45Stay strong.
54:47Stay strong, stay strong. How do I know you?
54:59Salam.
55:03Hang in there.
55:07Hang in there, my love. Hang in there.
55:10In April, Israel stepped up its ground operations in the South.
55:22The U.S. policy will depend on the swift implementation of new steps to protect civilians.
55:31On this day, Salam sent a video of the people of Gaza.
55:40How do you feel about this?
55:44We don't want a war. We don't want a war. We want to live in peace on our land, which is our land.
55:57There is no way out. The people are in despair.
56:05Who are you?
56:07I'm a Palestinian. I'm the mother of the martyrs, the prisoners, and the houses that were destroyed.
56:14We were killed. All our people were killed. We have 40,000 martyrs.
56:18What do you want now?
56:21I want all our families to be in their homes. I want all their children to be with them.
56:28Muhammad did not hide his desperation.
56:38And I think it's not only for Palestinians.
56:42If you hear this woman crying and saying what she said, you have to cry.
56:48We are suffering since more than 70 years, and nobody tried to find a solution for us.
56:57They give Israeli bombs to bomb us, and for us, they give us some food, not enough food even.
57:04This is unjust.
57:08Even so, the two continue to interview.
57:13In the face of despair, the people believe in the day when they can regain their lives.
57:22I hope that the Japanese people and the whole world will stand with our just cause until we get our freedom.
57:28I hope that we will meet soon in Gaza, and we will fulfill our mission, and we will overcome the obstacles imposed on us by this war.
57:38What is the most important thing you want to talk about now?
57:43We want to stop the fire, and we want to go down in peace.
57:46We want to cover the return of the people.
57:52We want to cover the suffering of the people when we went down and discovered that all the neighborhoods were destroyed.
58:00And that Gaza is not a good place to live.
58:02We want to rebuild, and we want to start a new life in Gaza.
58:32We want to rebuild, and we want to start a new life in Gaza.
58:38We want to rebuild, and we want to start a new life in Gaza.
58:45We want to rebuild, and we want to start a new life in Gaza.
59:03I saw a house.
59:05It was very interesting.
59:32Only a few months out of a year, a huge earthquake strikes the dry land.
59:41It is full of life.
59:44The story of life around water.
59:47Broadcast on NHKBS, Monday, July 14th at 7.30pm.