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00:00No, I will talk to Mr. Panjotha, because apparently the PTI has called for a protest, a convert protest, which is the Jalsa of Pindi.
00:09I don't understand what Mr. Tehrik-e-Ishaq is doing, what he wants to do.
00:12He is putting pressure, he wants to hold Jalsas, he wants to protest, or he wants to spend time.
00:17I will come back to this and ask you, but what is happening in the Supreme Court, Mr. Hasanan?
00:21Look, this has been happening for a long time, now things have opened up.
00:25How much has opened up?
00:27Now it is obvious that there is a judicial civil war going on.
00:30At the moment, any collateral damage, anything can happen.
00:33The situation is getting worse.
00:35The thought of becoming a constitutional court has made the situation worse.
00:39No, the real problem is…
00:41Because everyone must be thinking, the other judges, that Qazi sahib will become his beneficiary,
00:45and all these casualties will be made, he will remain a judge of a civil court,
00:48the real court will be a constitutional court.
00:50Because of this, the fight is increasing.
00:52The other judges are trying to get through these 25-30 days easily.
00:57But Chief Justice Qazi Faisal, he has an art of writing letters,
01:02and there is controversy in that.
01:04After that, the judges start trolling.
01:06So, if you look at how this matter, after July 12th,
01:10in July 12th, I think, the decision that came,
01:14a group is thinking that the constitutional package should become a hurdle in its path.
01:19And in the constitutional package, the main thing was to keep Chief Justice Qazi Faisal,
01:23who is the currency of the system.
01:26After that, it seems to him personally that Chief Justice Qazi Faisal has also taken it.
01:30His and Justice Mansoor Ali Shah's relations are worse than that.
01:33They were very good relations before.
01:35They were exemplary relations.
01:37Qazi Faisal is sitting now, so Justice Mansoor Ali Shah has a big role in that.
01:40So, after that, you see, such things happened that the researcher was transferred.
01:46Then, after that, ADR committee...
01:47Qazi sir will again say that I did not say anything sitting in the court.
01:50He said it that day.
01:51No, he was saying that for 10 years...
01:53I was sitting, so what could I have done?
01:54No, so on July 12th...
01:55I would have given you an answer by sitting on the bench and saying such things.
01:58Now, after that, Mansoor Ali Shah has to be removed from the ADR committee.
02:02Then, after that, you see, so,
02:04as soon as the review is put in place,
02:07on the Tristate A review,
02:09now the matter is that we are seeing that more things will be intensified than a week.
02:13And...
02:14What will happen?
02:15See...
02:16Are you looking at the resignations?
02:17See, the Supreme Court is running through an Ardiness.
02:20I think it is not happening in the world that an Ardiness comes and Ardiness...
02:24Whom Qazi sir is locking.
02:25Internal working.
02:26Yes.
02:27He has locked him.
02:28See, in the past, it is completely law, but in the past, what were the restrictions on their Ardiness?
02:32What were the restrictions?
02:33It was that...
02:34They belong to the Parliament.
02:35Why do they belong to the Parliament?
02:36What is the need?
02:37And these things happen in this regard.
02:38By the way, one more thing has passed through my eyes.
02:40Yesterday, in the newspaper, they have said that the vote is nothing more than form 45-47.
02:44Yes.
02:45It is a ballot.
02:46If you look at the boxes, if there is a ballot in them,
02:48it is more than form 45-47.
02:50The primary evidence is in those boxes.
02:52The ballot is in them.
02:53Now, if you look at that ballot,
02:55then in that, the PTI...
02:57But you know, when the PTI case was filed,
03:00at that time, Qazi sir had said,
03:02that how many votes did they get, how many...
03:04We can't sit and count.
03:06So, show us some paper.
03:08At that time, they were asking for a paper to show where the count is.
03:11They were not accepting votes.
03:13Today, they are saying that vote is everything.
03:15But that remass was not needed.
03:17It seems that the tribunals working in Pakistan,
03:20especially in Punjab,
03:21were given a guideline,
03:22that where there is a form 45-47 control,
03:25you open the boxes and look at the ballot.
03:27Now, in the ballot...
03:28If the ballots have been completed, then they have been completed.
03:30Already, in the recounting, the PTI people are saying that
03:33our four seats have gone.
03:35So, why did they go?
03:36When the recounting took place,
03:38in some places, the rejected votes increased.
03:41In some places, the situation was different.
03:43Anyway, that matter is different.
03:45But, now, this matter is that,
03:46on the ordinance,
03:47Justice Mansoor Ali Shah had requested
03:49to call a full court meeting on this.
03:50Justice Qazi Faisal, on four pages,
03:52Justice Muneeb Akhtar, on four pages,
03:54gave four hearings.
03:55Then, after that, he told his 25 achievements,
03:57that whatever I have done in this,
03:59I have brought democracy in the country.
04:00And...
04:01But...
04:02And you will also prove it.
04:03And...
04:04But...
04:05But, you will prove it.
04:06Justice Qazi Faisal,
04:07you will strengthen democracy.
04:08Absolutely.
04:09But, later,
04:10the request of Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
04:12that you call a full court meeting,
04:14he is talking about that,
04:15that a full court meeting...
04:16Obviously, it seems that
04:17if a full court meeting is not being called,
04:18then...
04:19So, what will the full court meeting do?
04:20Look, they are considering this matter,
04:22administratively,
04:23that through this ordinance,
04:24our internal working.
04:25Now, in that,
04:26which so-and-so,
04:27at what time will it be taken,
04:28first, those so-and-so will be taken up,
04:30which were earlier,
04:31the cases of 1843.
04:32Later, the new ones,
04:33they cannot be taken up.
04:34This...
04:35Justice Qazi has just said,
04:36that the cases of great compulsion,
04:38which were there,
04:39they were not being taken up.
04:41They were being taken up.
04:42No, now,
04:43this ordinance that has come,
04:44if you see in this,
04:45it is only,
04:46for now,
04:47the focus is on the committee.
04:48Apart from that,
04:49whatever is written in this,
04:50that, in fact,
04:51outside,
04:52the pro-government lawyers,
04:53they are also unable to defend,
04:54that this is affecting
04:55the independent judiciary.
04:56Someone,
04:57tell me,
04:58a lawyer,
04:59who is outside,
05:00who is supporting the government,
05:01the constitutional court,
05:02but,
05:03no one is defending this ordinance.
05:04And,
05:05the interesting thing is,
05:06Justice Qazi,
05:07Pakistan Bar Council,
05:08is supporting everything,
05:09against this ordinance.
05:10No, no,
05:11no one has done it.
05:12So,
05:13this is a very serious matter.
05:14But,
05:15the good thing is,
05:16now,
05:17the courts,
05:18and the Supreme Court,
05:19should also work on the ordinance.
05:20Why do you waste so much time
05:21on the courts?
05:22And,
05:23at least,
05:24it should work for a month,
05:25so that,
05:26by the time the Constitution
05:27Amendment is done,
05:28Trace Act,
05:29now,
05:30in that,
05:31the court should also work on it.
05:32Now,
05:33the government has become,
05:34with regards to the Trace Act,
05:35its own like-minded,
05:36by making it like-minded,
05:37now,
05:38it is being discussed,
05:39that,
05:40if you talk to Yahya Afridi,
05:41then,
05:42that case,
05:43that will not be settled.
05:44But,
05:45Yahya Afridi,
05:46in everything,
05:47he just denies everything.
05:48No,
05:49the questions that he has asked,
05:50that Justice Mansoor Ali Shah has raised,
05:51first,
05:52if a full court meeting takes place,
05:53it is better.
05:54What do you think,
05:55why did Yahya Afridi,
05:56deny it?
05:57I think that,
05:58what is the position of
05:59Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
06:00This should be seen.
06:02And instead of...
06:04First, if there is a full court meeting
06:06and Justice Qazi Faisal has explained these points here,
06:09all the judges should do it.
06:11Maybe they will be convinced.
06:13But it seems that
06:15Justice Qazi Faisal does not even have a simple majority.
06:19Why? This is not an election.
06:21We are not doing election campaign here.
06:23No, but full court...
06:25Look, I always say this.
06:27If you want to stand with your principles,
06:29stand alone.
06:30Now, if Justice Qazi Faisal stands alone with principles,
06:32then stand.
06:33Why take tension?

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