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00:00Welcome back after the break.
00:01Shahid Khakhaan Abbasi, former Prime Minister of Pakistan,
00:03is with us.
00:04He's a hot-headed politician.
00:05Shahid Khakhaan Abbasi has held a Jalsa in Lahore today.
00:12Now, government says it was a failed Jalsa.
00:14Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf could have held a good Jalsa.
00:16Ali Amin Gandapur didn't come on purpose.
00:18He knew the timing of the Jalsa, but it wasn't out of strategy.
00:22Now, there are some off-the-record talks in the PMI line.
00:25How do you see the Jalsa?
00:27I haven't seen the Jalsa.
00:28I haven't seen anyone's Jalsa.
00:30Jalsas are meaningless.
00:31The government's actions are meaningless.
00:33If the government says it's a failed Jalsa,
00:36then congratulations to them.
00:38Congratulations to whom?
00:39Congratulations to the PTI or to the government?
00:40To whoever thinks they've won.
00:42So, this Jalsa…
00:43Congratulations to the government if they say the Jalsa was bad.
00:46Congratulations to others if they say the Jalsa was good.
00:48So, congratulations to both.
00:50So, this tug-of-war, this Jalsa game,
00:53has started within a year of the elections or that's it?
00:57It's a right.
00:58It's a constitutional right.
01:00You can hold a Jalsa every day.
01:01It's your right.
01:01No one can stop you.
01:02You shouldn't be stopped.
01:04It's a way of expression.
01:06Our parliament keeps making these reverse laws.
01:08Then they make these black laws
01:10that will put you behind bars for three years.
01:12It's a film show.
01:13It will run from 6 to 9.
01:15At 9, the police officer will say,
01:17your Jalsa has become illegal.
01:20So, you can be punished for three years.
01:22So, do you think that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
01:26can hold a Jalsa like this and make people agree?
01:28Has this ever happened in Pakistan?
01:30There's nothing to make people agree.
01:31Jalsa is an expression of what people are thinking.
01:34Jalsa is something that all parties do.
01:36It's nothing new.
01:37It's something that happens in the world.
01:38So, is PMLN's attitude towards Jalsa right?
01:40Because they are saying that we have stopped it from happening.
01:42No, it's completely wrong.
01:43Forget it.
01:44Let people hold Jalsa.
01:45Just tell them not to ruin the peace.
01:48Just tell them to hold Jalsa at this place.
01:49That's fine.
01:50This is what happens in the world.
01:51This has always been the case in Pakistan.
01:54Who stops Jalsa?
01:56No one stops Jalsa.
01:57But containers are kept.
01:59This is the weakness of the government.
02:00Today, two…
02:01When you keep containers,
02:02when you try to stop Jalsa,
02:04when you make laws to stop Jalsa,
02:06this is your biggest weakness.
02:08Okay, let's talk about making laws again and again.
02:10So, let's come to Ayani Tarmeen.
02:12Because I had to ask you about Jalsa earlier.
02:15But, Ayani Tarmeen,
02:16the number is not being completed.
02:17Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib said that
02:18if Maulana Sahib didn't come,
02:20who felt that he was going to be on their side that night.
02:22You also met him.
02:23Tell us, did you talk about this?
02:25About the number game, about Ayani Tarmeen?
02:27No, no, I didn't meet him about Tarmeen.
02:29I had to think about something else.
02:32Anyway, Tarmeen,
02:33because the people of the government were sitting there,
02:35they were discussing among themselves.
02:37Later, they had a separate discussion
02:38which will be limited to them.
02:41But, I told them not to do Tarmeen in public.
02:44Keep Tarmeen in front of the public.
02:46This Tarmeen was very unique.
02:49Neither the Cabinet,
02:53nor the Parliament,
02:55nor the ministers,
02:57nor the Senators,
02:59nor the Opposition,
03:01are going to pass Tarmeen.
03:03What kind of Tarmeen is this,
03:05which even the people have not seen till date?
03:06If you had a competition that night,
03:08then keep it in front of the people.
03:10A competition of Rs. 28,
03:11which has been given to the lawyers,
03:13no one is ready to own it.
03:16We are doing a very strange thing.
03:17So, did Maulana Sahab delay Tarmeen
03:19and rectify it or did he do it wrongly?
03:21Maulana Sahab has rectified Tarmeen completely.
03:26If this Tarmeen had been passed,
03:29and if this Tarmeen had been wrongly rectified,
03:32then Maulana Sahab would have lost his account.
03:36Here, with Anika Nisar,
03:37the whole of Pakistan is saying that
03:38Maulana Sahab has done injustice to the country.
03:41Everyone is voting.
03:42Noon League is voting,
03:43PTI is voting,
03:44MKM is voting,
03:44all the parties are voting.
03:45Those votes that sway something,
03:48that vote is important.
03:49Every vote sways.
03:51If the people's party doesn't vote,
03:52then it won't pass.
03:53But we know that
03:54N has to vote,
03:56the people's party has to vote,
03:57Maulana Sahab is left behind,
03:58Maulana Sahab votes.
03:59If Maulana Sahab agrees with it,
04:00then what can you do?
04:01You can't blame him.
04:03If something is wrong, then it is wrong.