مدي 1 تي في : مع مجموعة "PAGAN ULVER" - 20/09/2024
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00:00Welcome to a new episode of Patchwork, we're always happy to have you with us.
00:20As usual, we're here on MediaNTV to present you with a series of episodes about the art world and the digital world.
00:30We have guests from the sports world with us today.
00:34It's a surprise, we have a group of people who are exploring their world.
00:38Welcome again, guests of today's episode.
00:46We have a group of winners of the 2024 Boulevard Trampoline.
00:54We have three members of this group, their names are Pagan and Ulver.
01:00First, let's welcome Ismail.
01:03How are you?
01:04I'm fine, thank God.
01:06He's a guitarist and composer.
01:09Welcome Ismail.
01:11We also have a vocalist.
01:15Hello, how are you?
01:17I'm fine, thank you.
01:19Elias, how are you?
01:21I'm fine, thank you.
01:23Mohsin, how are you?
01:25I'm fine, thank you.
01:27Welcome Mohsin.
01:28Ismail, this is the 20th of July 2020.
01:34What does this date mean to you?
01:36It's the foundation of our group.
01:38As I said, it's been four years.
01:40It started with three members, me and Ashraf Labatrehi.
01:45We didn't have Hiva with us at the time.
01:48But the line-up kept changing.
01:50Each time someone came, someone left.
01:51Until we reached this month.
01:54This month, I'm the guitarist,
01:56Saad is the guitarist,
01:58and Ashraf is the drummer.
02:00Mohsin joined us in December 2023.
02:06Elias joined us as the vocalist,
02:08and the last one to join us was Muad, the keyboard player.
02:13As for the keyboard,
02:15you didn't play the keyboard before, right?
02:17No, we didn't.
02:18How did that surprise you?
02:20Tell us about it.
02:22Let's go back to the composition.
02:24I was in charge of composing almost everything.
02:29But in the line-up,
02:31we arranged the track in minutes.
02:34So, I was in charge of composing the keyboard.
02:39We didn't have a keyboard,
02:41we only had a backing track.
02:43But we found a similar one.
02:45You put the symphonic version in the software.
02:46Exactly.
02:48We didn't have a keyboard,
02:50but we didn't have any other members.
02:53Let's go back to Muad.
02:57I think we were in July,
03:00when he came to film us
03:04at the Trompe-l'oeil composition.
03:06He was the only one to film the boulevard
03:10to perform the Trompe-l'oeil.
03:12What was his instrument?
03:14A camera?
03:16He was the only one to film the boulevard.
03:18He was the only one to film the Trompe-l'oeil.
03:20He was the only one to film the Trompe-l'oeil.
03:22His brother is a real musician.
03:25He's an old musician,
03:27so he has a lot of emotions.
03:29He's Adil Abashourab.
03:31Adil Abashourab, Adil Abashourab.
03:33Salah.
03:35Salah Abashourab.
03:37He's Muad.
03:39So, we filmed the video
03:41of the Trompe-l'oeil composition
03:43at the Trompe-l'oeil.
03:44I asked him,
03:46why don't you have a keyboard?
03:48He said, what do you play with a keyboard?
03:50I asked him, why don't you have a keyboard?
03:52He said, I forgot to tell you.
03:54And he started with you.
03:56Yes, and he started with us.
03:58Another thing that I liked
04:00was the help they gave.
04:02They had a lot of people
04:04to teach them things.
04:06It was very difficult
04:08to teach them in Saudi Arabia.
04:10So, we had to give them
04:12an extra person
04:14to teach them things.
04:16And discipline.
04:18Yes, discipline and punctuality.
04:20This is very important.
04:22Yes, it's necessary.
04:24The point of Saad,
04:26he helps a lot.
04:28He's the most punctual person
04:30in the whole group.
04:32Exactly.
04:34He comes on time,
04:36he watches on time,
04:38he doesn't feel anything.
04:40It's good to see this discipline.
04:42Yes, of course.
04:44Pagan Ulver has six members,
04:46you are the third.
04:48Can't a new member
04:50play your songs
04:52without a good atmosphere?
04:55Of course.
04:57What do you think about this atmosphere?
04:59Tell us about the atmosphere
05:01of Pagan Ulver,
05:03tell us about the rehearsals.
05:05Regarding the atmosphere of Pagan Ulver,
05:07Pagan Ulver is more than a group,
05:09it's a family, above all.
05:11I joined the group
05:13last July,
05:15so I'm the last one
05:17to join the group.
05:19However, I didn't find
05:21any difficulties,
05:23because the base
05:25is the music,
05:27it's metal,
05:29so I joined directly
05:31with Dreri.
05:33The atmosphere is very warm
05:35and it's one of the moments
05:37that we need during the week
05:38and it's one of the moments
05:40that we need during the week.
05:42It's one of the moments
05:44that we need during the week.
05:46But your album
05:48changes your style a bit,
05:50it's a bit high-pitched,
05:52a bit low-pitched.
05:54Certainly,
05:56because I had experiences
05:58with several groups before
06:00and I was more into death metal,
06:02so my voice is more
06:04in a low voice,
06:05so my voice is more in a low voice,
06:07so my voice is more in a low voice,
06:09but the style I play
06:11requires a high-pitched voice.
06:13Today,
06:15I'm adapting,
06:17but I already have
06:19an inspiration in black metal,
06:21I listen to a lot of black metal bands,
06:23so it makes my task easier.
06:25Mohsen, tell me
06:27about your vision of the group,
06:29how did you join the group,
06:31what is the spirit of Pagan Ulver?
06:33It's very funny,
06:35it's like something you filmed yourself.
06:37It's worse.
06:39Actually,
06:41I stopped playing music
06:43about 14 years ago.
06:4514 years?
06:47Yes, because I was already playing
06:49drums and bass,
06:5114 years ago, and I stopped.
06:53I really stopped playing music.
06:55So, one day,
06:57we were filming in Boulevard,
06:59and Ismail and Ashraf
07:01told me,
07:02I don't know,
07:04I didn't know.
07:06Exactly.
07:08So, as a person,
07:10they attracted me,
07:12because normally,
07:14I film only the members
07:16who were playing in the scene.
07:18I don't take photos of the audience,
07:20it's very rare.
07:22They attracted me,
07:24their looks,
07:26how they walk,
07:28how they live with music,
07:30it attracted me.
07:32So, it was good.
07:34Sometimes,
07:36it's like something you meet,
07:38but you don't want to talk about it.
07:40So, I stopped.
07:42We went to a bar.
07:44A good bar.
07:46I met Ashraf,
07:48who was doing well.
07:50He told me,
07:52he was going to rehearse.
07:54I told him,
07:56it's good,
07:58I told him,
08:00you can rehearse,
08:02I can tell you,
08:04I like black music,
08:06I like black music,
08:08but it's still the subgenre
08:10of the symphonic melodies
08:12that attracted me the most.
08:14So, that's it.
08:16You liked the atmosphere,
08:18and you were with them.
08:20Exactly.
08:22After 14 years,
08:24I told them,
08:26I'm back,
08:28I'm back,
08:30I'm still here.
08:32After 14 years,
08:34you don't forget the basics,
08:36you don't forget the game.
08:38Why?
08:40Because I have a musical ear.
08:42So, you can decipher easily.
08:44Yes, I'm a vinyl collector,
08:46I listen to music every day.
08:48But that's the particularity of the bass.
08:50Because the bass,
08:52once you play it,
08:54the bass is 60% of the song,
08:56or 51% of the song.
08:58It's the base.
09:00So, you have the tempo,
09:02and after 20 years,
09:04you don't forget it.
09:06There's another thing,
09:08when you play the drums,
09:10there's a tempo.
09:12Exactly.
09:14So, I have to understand it well.
09:16So, listen,
09:18what is the meaning of Pagan and Ulver?
09:20Is it a Norwegian inspiration?
09:22A bit Scandinavian?
09:24The word has two words,
09:26normally,
09:28there are two words,
09:30Pagan and Ulver.
09:32Because we have a lot of food,
09:34right?
09:36So, we always liked nature.
09:38So, we moved a lot,
09:40and then,
09:42black metal,
09:44the second wave of black metal,
09:46came from Norway.
09:48So, we always had,
09:50how do I explain it to you?
09:52Nature.
09:54So, it's similar,
09:56because black metal came from Norway,
09:58and we already liked nature.
10:00So, Pagan,
10:02we already liked nature.
10:04And Ulver is a wolf.
10:06So, we are wolves,
10:08who live in nature.
10:10Why did we take that wolf,
10:12when we were only 3 days out,
10:14as I told you,
10:16we were rehearsing,
10:18and there was a wolf under the bed.
10:20So, we went in the morning,
10:22and we didn't go out at night.
10:24We didn't know what to do.
10:26So, we were living like wolves,
10:28we went in,
10:30we played music at night,
10:32and we didn't know what to do.
10:34So, we went out in the forest,
10:36we didn't rest,
10:38we meditated,
10:40we saw a whole stage,
10:42we didn't know what to do,
10:44and we jumped into our situation.
10:46Why did you claim this stage?
10:48Why did you say,
10:50we are like a stage,
10:52a stage power,
10:54a stage represent?
10:56Of course,
10:58because,
10:59in 2005,
11:01they arrested a group of people.
11:03So, there was no group of people
11:05left in the stage.
11:07After that,
11:09I think in 2019,
11:11they came back.
11:13But,
11:15they came back alone.
11:17So, what did we say?
11:19We said,
11:21we need to help them,
11:23and give them a place in the stage,
11:25and add other groups.
11:27So,
11:29each one of you,
11:31and the other members,
11:33have their own inspirations.
11:35But,
11:37what can you say about
11:39Pagan Ulver's style?
11:41It's a mix between
11:43Emperor,
11:45Imperium,
11:47Symphony X,
11:49Demoborgir.
11:51Regarding the composition,
11:53I heard him composing,
11:55and I felt the classical music
11:57in the genre.
11:59It's amazing.
12:01Because,
12:03even if the composition
12:05has a progressive aspect,
12:07or a symphonic and melodic aspect,
12:09but the base is black.
12:11So, when you mix it,
12:13it's Pagan Ulver.
12:15Kalima, do you have anything to add
12:17about the inspirations?
12:19The inspirations,
12:21especially from the Scandinavian countries,
12:23such as Emperor,
12:25Demoborgir,
12:26and,
12:28Dissection.
12:30It's a melodic black metal band
12:32that inspires me a lot.
12:34And, when I joined the band,
12:36I heard his compositions.
12:38I was very impressed
12:40by the classical music aspect
12:42in the synthesizer part,
12:44and also
12:46in the riffs,
12:48because the riffs
12:50are more related to Scandinavian music,
12:52but also with a Moroccan touch.
12:54Because when you say
12:56that there is a Moroccan culture,
12:58it's automatic.
13:00When you feel it,
13:02it's automatically transmitted
13:04to the music.
13:06Can you play a song in Arabic?
13:08Honestly,
13:10I can, of course.
13:12But, the idea doesn't exist yet.
13:14OK.
13:16Or a Moroccan oriental solo?
13:18I can, of course.
13:20Because,
13:22the perspective of the artist
13:24can change.
13:26It can change
13:28depending on the experience.
13:30For example,
13:32we play a melodic symphonic
13:34with a progressive black metal touch.
13:36So,
13:38one day,
13:40we can add an oriental touch,
13:42another day,
13:44another touch.
13:46The only thing I don't know
13:48is that we have
13:50an orchestral touch
13:52more than a symphonic touch.
13:54So, in the orchestral touch,
13:56we can get inspired
13:58by classical music
14:00like Anthony Vivaldi,
14:02Beethoven,
14:04Jean-Sébastien Bach.
14:06So, it's necessary
14:08to strengthen the influence
14:10and try to change it
14:12and bring it back to us.
14:14So, the question is
14:16if there is a Moroccan touch
14:18either in Arabic
14:20or in an oriental solo,
14:22it can be here,
14:24in front of us.
14:26It can be here,
14:28in front of us.
14:30We are in Rabat,
14:32and we will go to Tanja
14:34where Tanja's festival
14:36is held in its 22nd round.
14:56Music
15:24Tanja's festival
15:26From the 19th to the 22nd of September, there will be a program of international artists such as Roberto Fonseca, Omar Souza, Majid Bekass, Keziah Jones, Hoba Hoba, Spirit, and there will be live electronic music in Tanja.
15:46It will be covered in the sections and publications of Mediantv, as well as in the next episodes of the program Patchwork for this festival, which celebrates its 22nd anniversary.
15:58We continue the discussion with Pagan and Ver, a group of metal musicians who are here with us as a stage.
16:07Pagan and Ver are the winners of the Boulevard trompe l'oeil this year.
16:12They just released an album, but we can feel their spirit in Pagan and Ver.
16:20Is there a blessing of sarcasm?
16:24Or is it a coincidence?
16:28Or is it something that we shouldn't take seriously?
16:33How do you see it?
16:35There is something that we shouldn't take seriously, like the service.
16:40We don't say anything about the service, but this is what we do and what we want.
16:44On the musical side, when we enter the studio, we don't laugh.
16:48When we enter, there is no service.
16:50When we leave the studio, there is nothing to laugh about.
16:53We are like a family. We are like a group of metal musicians.
16:56We don't say that we are going to do a rehearsal.
17:00We are like a family.
17:02We do everything like a family.
17:04We laugh with each other.
17:06We support each other.
17:08If someone is sick, we take care of him.
17:10We are like a family.
17:12How many of you have a lot of money?
17:14Saad.
17:16Saad and Ashraf.
17:18Saad and Ashraf.
17:21Why are you laughing?
17:23He is the only one.
17:25May God keep you together.
17:27We hope to see you again in the years to come.
17:31Mohsen, how was the Boulevard experience?
17:34On a personal level or as a group?
17:38Both.
17:40On a personal level.
17:43As a scene photographer,
17:46I always wanted to reach the audience through the image of the artist.
17:58The artist's feeling, for example,
18:02the artist's gestures,
18:05I wanted to capture them in an image to reach the audience.
18:09For the first time on stage,
18:12I didn't need the image to reach the audience.
18:17I had direct contact with the audience.
18:20I was able to capture what I wanted to capture.
18:24For the experience,
18:27it was fantastic.
18:29As a member of the group,
18:31I had the honor to sit with Ismail,
18:34Elias,
18:36Saad,
18:37Ashraf,
18:38and the rest of the group.
18:40We were all very nervous.
18:42We felt like we were in a concert hall.
18:45We were very proud of what we did.
18:49Elias, thank you.
18:52As a member of the group,
18:54how did you feel about participating in the festival?
18:59I felt like I was in a music prison.
19:03For about five years,
19:06the last concert I played was in 2019.
19:10For me, it was like going back to the music scene.
19:15I went out on the boulevard.
19:17For me, it was like going back.
19:19In this way, we won the first prize.
19:23It was a wonderful feeling.
19:26I was able to reach the audience.
19:28When you're on stage,
19:30the audience gives you a lot of energy.
19:33It's magnificent.
19:35So, automatically,
19:37I gave my best.
19:40It was very spontaneous what I did on stage.
19:44I was very nervous.
19:46It was like sharing emotions and feelings with the audience.
19:53That's how it was.
19:55Ismail, how did you feel on the day of the first prize announcement?
20:00Let me go back a little bit.
20:02It was the first year we played in our lives.
20:05It was one of the things I was waiting for.
20:08Elias was always on stage.
20:10It was the first time we played in our lives.
20:13It was the first time we saw the audience in front of us.
20:16The biggest scene in Morocco was the boulevard.
20:19It was normal.
20:21We were stressed.
20:23We didn't know if we would win or not.
20:26The audience said,
20:28you're the winners.
20:30I said, I didn't do anything wrong.
20:32I didn't do anything wrong.
20:34I didn't do anything wrong.
20:36But you did a good job.
20:38Of course.
20:40We didn't do anything wrong.
20:42We didn't do anything wrong.
20:44We didn't do anything wrong.
20:46We didn't do anything wrong.
20:48We didn't do anything wrong.
20:50We didn't do anything wrong.
20:52We didn't do anything wrong.
20:54It was the beginning of our career.
20:57The boulevard was our first step.
21:00It was the first thing that came to us.
21:03Do you follow groups other than metal?
21:06Of course.
21:08Do you follow groups like Neometal,
21:10Rock, Progressive?
21:12Yes, of course.
21:14One of the news that we hear
21:16is that Linkin Park is back.
21:18Yes.
21:20A new vocalist.
21:22A new vocalist.
21:24A new vocalist.
21:26A new vocalist.
21:28In this picture,
21:30Linkin Park is back
21:32with a new album
21:34on the 15th of November.
21:36They are already releasing videos
21:38to tease this comeback.
21:40Let's watch the clips
21:42of Linkin Park's comeback
21:44with their new singer.
21:52I'm cold, do you want more?
21:54Cookin' raw with the LP boys
21:56So for one last time, I need y'all to move
22:00So what the hell are you waiting for?
22:02After all, there should be no more
22:04So for one last time, we gon' make some noise
22:06So for one last time, we gon' make some noise
22:10Try to be what you want me to be
22:12Feeling so faithless
22:14Lost under the surface
22:18Don't know what you're expecting of me
22:20Put under the pressure
22:22Of walking in your shoes
22:24Of walking in your shoes
22:26Caught in the undertow
22:28Just caught in the undertow
22:30Every step that I take
22:32Is another mistake to you
22:34Is another mistake to you
22:36Caught in the undertow
22:38Just caught in the undertow
22:40I've become so numb
22:42I can't feel you there
22:44Become so far
22:46So much more aware
22:48I'm becoming numb
22:50All I want you to do
22:52Is be more like me
22:54And be less like you
22:56Can't you see that you're smaller than me?
23:00Holding too tightly
23:02Afraid to lose control
23:04Cause everything that you thought I would be
23:08Is falling apart
23:10Right in front of you
23:12Caught in the undertow
23:14Just caught in the undertow
23:16Caught in the undertow
23:18Just caught in the undertow
23:20Every step that I take
23:22Is another mistake to you
23:24Caught in the undertow
23:26Just caught in the undertow
23:28Every second I waste
23:30Is more than I can take
23:32Is more than I can take
23:34This is the new song
23:36by Linkin Park
23:38called Emily Armstrong
23:40The new album will be released
23:42on the 15th of November
23:44The album will be titled
23:46From Zero
23:48with Warner
23:50What do you think of the new album?
23:52I don't know
23:54I can't say anything
23:56We always work with
23:58an organized and public way
24:00We never say
24:02what our tracks are
24:04We never say the name of the album
24:06or what it will be
24:08So we decided
24:10to give it a name
24:12We don't know what it will be
24:14or what it will be
24:16We don't know what it will be
24:18We don't have a specific date
24:20for when it will be released
24:22But will it be released
24:24before 2025?
24:26Maybe
24:28Maybe
24:30We already have a demo
24:32The track development
24:34is still the same
24:36Everything is still working
24:38But it will be a single
24:40It will be released
24:42before the full album is released
24:44We encourage you
24:46in your projects
24:48Congratulations for winning
24:50the first place
24:52We would like to thank
24:54the other groups
24:56who participated
24:58in the second place
25:00We would like to conclude
25:02with a movie
25:04where you can watch
25:06some of the movies
25:08Enjoy
25:38I need you to be brave.
25:41I'm here.
25:43You're either a predator or a prey.
25:48I need you to be brave.
25:52A short segment for you.
25:53As you know, Cine Atlas is in New York and also in Riyadh.
25:57Elias, please tell us the last word.
25:59The last word is the audience of metal in general in Morocco,
26:03which is called Pagan Oliver.
26:05They are very strong this year.
26:07There are a lot of new artists.
26:09We don't want to burn the movie for you,
26:11to give the audience a bit of suspense.
26:13But there are a lot of new artists in music, in concerts, etc.
26:17Mohsen.
26:19Thank you for this interview.
26:23I would like to thank Pagan Oliver.
26:25They encourage us a lot.
26:27They are my parents.
26:29And I would like to thank a special one,
26:32the band Sakadouya.
26:34They give us a lot of encouragement.
26:39And that's it.
26:42I would like to thank the band.
26:44Each one of them.
26:46I would like to thank the band from the beginning.
26:49We started as a couple from the beginning.
26:51We've been together for four years.
26:54Mohsen has given us a lot of support.
26:58He always tries to help the band.
27:01He helps us a lot.
27:03He helps us to work in a difficult situation.
27:07He always gives us a lot of support.
27:10And Elias, who came to help us.
27:15He always helps us.
27:17He always gives us a lot of support.
27:20On the other hand,
27:22I would like to thank the band Sakadouya.
27:28I would like to thank the band Sakadouya.
27:30I would like to thank them for everything they've done for us.
27:33I would like to thank Mahdi, Hisham, Khalid,
27:38Seymour, Rayda, and Chai Yassin.
27:41I would like to thank them for everything they've done for us.
27:43They've been helping us a lot.
27:45They've been helping us with everything.
27:47They've been giving us information.
27:49They've been sharing their experiences with us.
27:52This is a big support for our band.
27:56This is a big support for our band.
28:00And one last thing.
28:03I would like to thank Boulevard.
28:08Boulevard has been working for many years.
28:11Boulevard has been working for many years.
28:13I would like to thank Tremplin.
28:15I would like to thank Tremplin.
28:16Tremplin is a setting for many artists and musicians.
28:20Tremplin is a setting for many artists and musicians.
28:22from the amateur status to the semi-pro and professional, why not?
28:26Thank you for joining us and good luck in the future.
28:29We have reached the end of today's episode.
28:31Thank you to the technical team and the artists.
28:33Thank you very much.
28:35See you soon.
28:52You