トークィーンズ 2024年9月19日 他人を全く信用できない、心を閉ざした男
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00:00The next day
00:02Tonight's guest is...
00:06Now, he is a popular idol in the idol world.
00:13He is expected to be a handsome man in this program.
00:18He has invited four members so far.
00:24But...
00:26I'm not good at people like you.
00:28I'm not good at people like you.
00:31Hokuto Matsumura is not good at people like you.
00:39Jesse is not good at people like you.
00:42I can't go to a hot spring hotel.
00:44I don't know how many people I've met.
00:48If you think you've found the super-purity of Tanaka Juri...
00:53If you want to go out with me,
00:56I'll gather all of them and test them.
01:05Kyomoto Taiga's intense test.
01:09It was a four-card of idol image collapse.
01:14And tonight...
01:17The fifth person, Kofuchi Yugo, appears.
01:21In fact...
01:23Shut up!
01:25Kyomoto Taiga, who visited last time, said this.
01:31Actually, Kofuchi is dangerous.
01:33He is the most normal person.
01:35He is the best person.
01:36He wears a lot of things.
01:38He can't even break the curtain of the members.
01:42Even the members can't control him.
01:46Then...
01:47Basically...
01:49I can't trust people.
01:52I can't say anything to this person.
01:57He can't trust people at all.
01:59He is a closed-minded character.
02:02And...
02:04Can you make a date plan that I can enjoy?
02:08I think it's the worst.
02:14The worst?
02:16The worst is the worst.
02:18Don't the fans know this?
02:20I think they don't know.
02:22He is shaking.
02:24Until now...
02:27He is the strongest character who can make a date plan.
02:32He is a sad man who can't trust people.
02:36Obviously...
02:38You have a terrible choice of words.
02:41I have a stomachache.
02:46Are you okay?
02:52Four members have appeared on the show.
02:57The fifth person, Kofuchi Yugo, has appeared.
03:01Will he be okay?
03:05He is the guest of today, Kofuchi Yugo.
03:08Nice to meet you.
03:10A lot of members have appeared on the show.
03:13He is a troublemaker.
03:15Really?
03:17He was tested by his brother.
03:19He was tested by his brother.
03:21By the way, you are on the same show as Meruru.
03:25How do you get along with each other?
03:28Well...
03:29I don't know.
03:31What do you talk about?
03:33We don't talk about anything.
03:36You talk differently.
03:37We don't care about it.
03:39I see.
03:40We don't get nervous.
03:42We don't care about it.
03:45We don't care about it.
03:48This is the most peaceful start in the history of STONES.
03:54But...
03:55Meruru's feeling...
03:57I don't care about it.
04:00I don't care about it, either.
04:03I'm sorry.
04:05Meruru is very angry.
04:10This time, he has a lot of troubles.
04:13Actually, he started from the preliminary interview.
04:16I heard from the staff that you are worried about your appearance.
04:22Yes, I am.
04:23I'm not good at being surrounded by women.
04:30Is that so?
04:31I'm not good at being surrounded by many people.
04:37When I was a high school student, I didn't care about being surrounded by many people.
04:44But now, I can't trust people.
04:48What?
04:52I can't trust people.
04:55That's fast.
04:56I don't think so.
04:58He said he couldn't trust people at the beginning.
05:00What happened?
05:02I don't know when it started.
05:04I think I was over 20 years old.
05:08How old were you when you debuted in the entertainment industry?
05:11I was 15 years old.
05:14You were young.
05:15I auditioned for a Japanese TV program.
05:20What program?
05:21It's called School Revolution.
05:23Is that the first audition?
05:24That's interesting.
05:25The program was a regular audition.
05:28Our agency formed a tag team.
05:31I was the only one to be selected as a regular.
05:34I was also selected as a member of the agency.
05:36You were selected as a regular.
05:38You were selected as a regular.
05:39Yes.
05:40Really?
05:41Yes.
05:42In fact, Kouchi's debut in the entertainment industry was due to a regular audition for School Revolution, unlike other members.
05:51Although he made his debut with a small team of 1,300 people,
05:57he can't trust people at all now.
06:02The reason is...
06:04There are a lot of things that don't go well in this industry.
06:07You can't go as you want.
06:09It's not limited to 10 minutes.
06:10It's not limited to 10 minutes.
06:11I consulted a lot of things with him at first.
06:16What should I do?
06:17That was when I was about 20 years old.
06:18That was when I was about 20 years old.
06:20Everyone has a different opinion.
06:23For example, what did he say?
06:26He said, you don't have to change.
06:28Your character should stay as it is.
06:31But,
06:32there are people who think it's better to have one thing.
06:35There are people who think it's better to have a character.
06:38In the end, I didn't have anything that stuck in me.
06:42I became closed-minded.
06:45It's too heavy.
06:47It's too heavy.
06:48It's heavier than I thought.
06:51Hurry up and break up.
06:54That's right.
06:55Hurry up and break up.
06:57Even if I hear that,
07:00I'm doing my job now.
07:02That's the time.
07:03That's the time.
07:04But,
07:05I'm afraid that I can't say anything to him.
07:07I'm afraid that I can't say anything to him.
07:12I'm afraid that I can't say anything to him.
07:16I'm afraid that I can't say anything to him.
07:19Overall,
07:22I'm really not interested in anyone else.
07:25Really.
07:27In the entertainment industry,
07:29it's the spirit of rivals that keeps me alive.
07:32I'm not like,
07:34I'm so frustrated that I want to be on the show.
07:36I'm not like,
07:37I'm so frustrated that I want to be on the show.
07:38Once?
07:40Yes, almost once.
07:42The background music is crazy.
07:44How about in a group?
07:46In a group, yes.
07:48If I say it,
07:50the members won't be interested.
07:52The members won't be interested.
07:54That's the way to say it.
07:56I don't care what the rest of the members are doing.
07:58I don't care what kind of work
08:00this person is doing.
08:02Isn't it super dry?
08:04I wonder if it's dry.
08:06I don't feel cold.
08:08I don't feel cold.
08:10It's nothing.
08:12Isn't it super dry?
08:14I wonder if it's dry.
08:16It's nothing.
08:18So, Kouchi-san,
08:20I understand that
08:22you can't trust anyone.
08:24I understand that you can't trust anyone.
08:26I didn't say this.
08:28I just started talking.
08:30I think he opened up to me.
08:32I think he opened up to me.
08:34If you say,
08:36you don't trust me,
08:38you don't trust me.
08:40If you say,
08:42you don't trust me,
08:44you don't trust me.
08:46I wouldn't trust you.
08:48If you say that,
08:50I can't trust people
08:52with this kind of idea.
08:54Why?
08:56Why?
08:58You opened up to me.
09:00You opened up to me.
09:02I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
09:04I thought you were the most excited one.
09:06But I do have that kind of switch.
09:09It's a switch.
09:10Which image do your fans have?
09:12Of course, the image of the public.
09:14Don't your fans know about this?
09:16Don't they trust me?
09:19I don't think they know.
09:21You're shaking!
09:23You're not used to it.
09:26I don't have many friends in private.
09:29I have a lot of acquaintances.
09:33But I don't have many friends who talk about me.
09:37Is there anyone like that in the entertainment industry?
09:39Nakanishi Nasunaka is my best friend in the entertainment industry.
09:43How did you start trusting him?
09:46I don't know.
09:48I'm his senior, so I don't know how to say this.
09:50But he was good at getting into my head.
09:53I see.
09:54He got into the area that I wasn't interested in.
10:00It takes a lot of time.
10:03It takes a lot of time.
10:05There are people who get along with him.
10:08But I don't think he knows how I feel.
10:12It's sad to hear that.
10:15If you think you're close to him, you're close to him.
10:19That's a sad thing to say.
10:21But I won't say that.
10:23Did you know he was like this?
10:26I didn't know he was this difficult.
10:29It's not that difficult yet.
10:32It's still difficult.
10:33She got advice from various people in the entertainment industry.
10:38That's how she started trusting people.
10:42What do the members think?
10:45What do you think?
10:46I don't trust anyone.
10:50What do you think?
10:51Is this a bad thing?
10:52I don't know.
10:53I have a high sense of self-esteem.
10:56Even if I get advice, I won't listen.
10:58I can't listen to it either.
11:00Even if I'm told what to do, I can't do it because it's not my idea.
11:05I was doing Nicholun Beam on my own.
11:08That's amazing.
11:09You have a will.
11:11And you'll stop using the beam someday.
11:13It's not that.
11:16It's not that.
11:20It's not that.
11:21It's Shagoto.
11:23It's this way.
11:25The beam is in a different position.
11:26What do you think, Akatsuki?
11:27When I read the script, I talk to the director.
11:33I say, I'll give you a little bit of a break.
11:36Don't worry.
11:38I don't trust people who say that.
11:42Why?
11:43I'm very anxious when I'm on the show.
11:47I'm nervous.
11:49I understand.
11:50I didn't say anything.
11:52There are people who don't say anything.
11:54When I came to Tokyo, my manager told me that I should speak in standard Japanese.
12:04Since then, I don't trust Kansai people.
12:07When I speak standard Japanese in Tokyo, I'm not excited.
12:11I can't speak standard Japanese well.
12:13When I speak in Kansai dialect, I feel excited.
12:17I can put my heart into my words.
12:20So I get advice.
12:22But I prioritize my excitement.
12:25What was your previous name?
12:27Kagoshima Kikuchi.
12:28Whose advice is that?
12:30Whose advice is that?
12:33I couldn't say the name Kagoshima Kikuchi.
12:35You got the wrong advice.
12:37I got the wrong advice.
12:39I can't trust people.
12:42I suddenly got angry.
12:45Koichi doesn't trust people at all.
12:50Actually, Koichi's feeling of love was a series of shocking statements.
12:56What kind of woman do you like?
12:59My favorite type of woman is the same as before.
13:04I like hard-working women.
13:07I like hard-working women who are very hard-working.
13:10I like hard-working women who are not busy.
13:14I like hard-working women who are hard-working in a convenient store.
13:19There are some hard-working women who work hard in a place where they can't be seen.
13:23When I see those hard-working women, I think they are wonderful.
13:27I can't say I like hard-working women.
13:32I think I'm that kind of person.
13:36I can't say I like hard-working women.
13:39Koichi is interested in hard-working women even though he is not interested in others.
13:47Do you apologize immediately when you have a fight?
13:52I might apologize.
13:54Because it's annoying.
13:56Even if you don't think it's bad?
13:57Yes.
13:58I don't like it.
14:00I understand that.
14:02You apologized now.
14:05I don't know what to apologize for.
14:09I wanted you to do this.
14:11I don't know why, but I was cold.
14:14I don't think it's right.
14:17I don't think so.
14:18I don't know what's going on.
14:20I don't know what your problem is.
14:23I'm lonely.
14:25I think you are lonely.
14:27I looked up your past statements.
14:31Let's talk about your date.
14:33Do you touch your phone during the date?
14:35I don't think so.
14:37What is this?
14:40I don't think so.
14:41That's scary.
14:43Let's say it's your first date.
14:46At that point, I think the date is a failure.
14:49I'm not interested in her.
14:52What if she gets angry at you?
14:54Don't touch my phone.
14:56I don't say that.
15:00I think the date is a failure.
15:04I don't like the BGM.
15:05I don't want to do the next plan.
15:07I don't like the BGM.
15:08Is that the end of your love?
15:13That's right.
15:15Is it really over?
15:16It's not over yet.
15:18It was a romantic relationship.
15:22I wanted to hear something more fun.
15:25I'm sorry.
15:27It was an extension of love.
15:28You like her completely.
15:32That's right.
15:35Be positive.
15:37It doesn't have to be fun.
15:39If she enjoys it,
15:41Is it a reward?
15:42That's right.
15:43Can you make a date plan that she can enjoy?
15:47I can't make it.
15:50I can't make it, but I can't say it.
15:53You can't make it, but you want her to enjoy it.
15:56I want her to make a date plan.
15:59I want her to say,
16:01Let's go there.
16:03You want her to make a date plan.
16:07I want her to make a date plan.
16:09You want her to make a plan that she can enjoy.
16:11You want her to make a plan that she can enjoy.
16:14That's right.
16:16Isn't it hard at first?
16:18I don't think it's hard.
16:20I think it's the worst.
16:24It's the worst.
16:26The worst is the worst.
16:29I don't think it's hard.
16:31I think it's the worst.
16:34It's the worst.
16:36No, no, no.
16:38Then we should do a brother test.
16:41It's too dark.
16:43No, it's the worst.
16:46No, no, no.
16:48No, no, no.
16:50I'll definitely use it.
16:53You can use it in the country.
16:55You can use it in the country.
16:56You can use it in the country.
16:58No, no, no.
16:59It's the worst.
17:02When you are not interested in something,
17:08you can get information from it.
17:11I think it's a lesson in a location.
17:15You have a terrible choice of words.
17:19You have a terrible choice of words.
17:20You have a terrible choice of words.
17:22He seemed like a nice guy,
17:25but I'm a little worried about his sense of words.
17:27I think he is a bright person who is happy and positive.
17:33He is a bright person who is happy and positive.
17:36He doesn't seem to be the type of person who goes out with someone he likes.
17:40He doesn't seem to be the type of person who goes out with someone he likes.
17:43I think it's impossible if the wavelength doesn't match.
17:45Who do you like?
17:50The person I really like is someone I've seen from a distance.
17:53What?
17:54What?
17:55Tell me about your character.
17:57Tell me about your character.
17:59No, no, no.
18:01You have a lot of personality.
18:02Why am I like this?
18:04I don't want to say it.
18:06I don't want to say it.
18:07It's okay.
18:08It's okay.
18:09It's okay.
18:10It's okay.
18:11It's okay.
18:12It's okay.
18:13It's okay.
18:14There are too many points that are unexpected.
18:16To sum it up, it's like this.
18:19First of all, the shy side of wanting to watch over the person you really like from a distance.
18:25Do you mean you don't have to go out with that person?
18:27No, that's really the worst.
18:29You can't chase after that person?
18:30I can't chase after that person.
18:31What if you really like that person?
18:32You don't confess to that person yourself?
18:35I can't do that.
18:37Do you mean you like the person you go out with?
18:39No, I really like that person.
18:41Do you mean you have to walk at the same pace?
18:44That's right.
18:45It's difficult.
18:46I think it's definitely difficult.
18:47It's fate.
18:48It's really fate.
18:49I think it's fate.
18:50If you meet that person.
18:51That's right.
18:52Is there a version of Nakanishi-san?
18:54Yes, yes, yes.
18:56There is a version of Nakanishi-san.
18:58How about you, Kanade-chan?
18:59I'm also like that.
19:01If I use my cell phone, I wonder if it's not fun.
19:08I don't think I can go out with that person.
19:10I'll leave the shutter on.
19:11You're going out with the person you like.
19:13I'm going to be dumped.
19:14I'm going to be dumped.
19:15It's rare for me.
19:18I want to go out with you.
19:20What is it?
19:22If I like someone, I will go out with him.
19:25I want you to accept that.
19:27Why are you confusing me?
19:28Why?
19:29Why?
19:30Can I go out with him?
19:31What about work?
19:33I think it's fine.
19:34Oh, really?
19:36I think it's a good time to talk about it.
19:39What if you open your heart?
19:40If I open my heart, I think I will open it infinitely.
19:43Infinitely?
19:44It's a possibility.
19:45Infinitely?
19:46I won't open it.
19:47How many opportunities do you have?
19:49If you go out with him, you will open your heart.
19:51I can't trust him as much as my close friends.
19:56It may be a relationship that only looks good.
19:59I'm suddenly scared.
20:01I'm suddenly scared when you talk about it.
20:02Do you go out with your friends?
20:04I don't think I go out with my friends.
20:07Are you a one-eyed type?
20:08What should I do to be her?
20:10First of all, I have to show her that I'm doing my best.
20:13She's doing her best.
20:15She's doing her best.
20:16But I can't show her that.
20:19When dating for the first time, a woman just looks at her smartphone and says,
20:23This date is over.
20:25The coach closes the shutter of her heart.
20:28Do you have a moment when you close the shutter?
20:34When I'm on a date,
20:37When I'm driving,
20:39It's like a monitor that's connected to my phone.
20:43Obviously, it's a cat.
20:45It's a woman.
20:46When I get a message,
20:47I think it's over.
20:49It's synchronized.
20:51It's synchronized.
20:53Do you have a moment?
20:54I don't close the shutter at all.
20:56It's open-minded.
20:57It's open-minded.
20:58You should close it once in a while.
21:00It's open-minded.
21:02It's like, Can I come in? Can I go in?
21:04On the contrary, no one opens the shutter.
21:06But it's open-minded, so if everyone goes in, it's out, right?
21:10No, no, no.
21:11I don't come in because I say I'm here.
21:13I don't come in at all.
21:15On the contrary.
21:16You're like me, right?
21:18You're the type who seems to get along but doesn't get along.
21:20Oh, but that's possible.
21:22You can get along, but...
21:23That's right.
21:24I don't say anything convincing.
21:27But you don't notice me.
21:29Come in.
21:30Come in.
21:31Let's have some tea.
21:32I don't notice you.
21:33Hasako, do you have a moment?
21:34It's not that big, but...
21:37Closing the shutter slowly is important for eating.
21:40I'm not interested in eating.
21:43I see.
21:44So, it's fun to say, Anything is fine.
21:48Oh, anything is fine.
21:50If you say that, I'll never open the shutter again.
21:54Close the shutter slowly.
21:55If you say, Anything is fine as long as I'm drunk,
22:00I'll drink because it's delicious.
22:03Close the shutter slowly.
22:04I don't like to be loud, but I don't want to be noticed.
22:07I see.
22:08Close the shutter slowly.
22:09I see.
22:10That's possible.
22:11Kochi, the shutter for juniors is quite heavy, isn't it?
22:15It's heavy, but I've never opened it.
22:17What?
22:19It was in an interview, wasn't it?
22:20Yes, so...
22:21I've never told anyone.
22:23So, you don't want to open the shutter?
22:26No, I don't.
22:27You don't want to open the shutter?
22:30No, I don't.
22:31Don't you ask them to take you?
22:33I don't know what to say to you.
22:35What?
22:36What?
22:37What?
22:38I don't know how to contact you.
22:40How many pages are there, Kochi?
22:43Right?
22:44How many pages are there?
22:45Didn't Kochi ask you to take care of him?
22:48Yes, he did.
22:49Don't you want to do that for him?
22:51No, I don't.
22:52So, you don't need my advice.
22:55You're better at it.
22:57You should have said that at first.
22:59The first thing you said was,
23:00I'm afraid of you.
23:02I'm afraid of you.
23:03I'm afraid of the entrance.
23:04You have to start with me.
23:05I'm afraid of you.
23:06I'm afraid of you.
23:07What can I say to you?
23:08I'm afraid of you.
23:09Do you have juniors?
23:12I have a lot of seniors.
23:15I don't think I have juniors.
23:17I don't think I have juniors.
23:19I don't have juniors.
23:20But you're going with your seniors.
23:21Yes.
23:22I'm not so negative.
23:25Not so negative?
23:26Not so negative?
23:27You're making me embarrassed today.
23:30I'm being polite.
23:33Kochi said he's not interested in the private life of the members.
23:37But this is the story.
23:40I heard that he is teased a lot among the members.
23:44I think he does the right thing.
23:47so sometimes I don't know what to say to them.
23:50That's weird.
23:52If a member says,
23:54like, hey, what are you doing?
23:56and you get told off,
23:58does that make you angry?
24:00Sometimes it does.
24:02Like,
24:03Jissy and I
24:05have a lot in common,
24:07and we're both very cheerful.
24:09So sometimes I get told off
24:11in his field.
24:13Like, are you having fun on your days off?
24:16Sounds good.
24:18Sounds good.
24:20No, no, no,
24:21your fun may be having a party,
24:23but my fun is my own fun.
24:26Everyone has something to enjoy.
24:29You don't know the world,
24:31so you have a lot of fun.
24:33Don't think of everything in your own field.
24:35That's what he said.
24:37That's what the coach said,
24:40but what are the members actually saying?
24:45Jessie and Juri
24:47gave us their testimony.
24:49And...
25:01And...
25:09Mel-san was furious!
25:15Don't look at me!
25:17Look at me!
25:19Stop it!
25:21Stop it!
25:23Stop it!
25:28Why do coaches get teased?
25:33We asked Jessie and Juri.
25:37Let's start with Jessie.
25:39When you drop your phone,
25:41do you apologize,
25:43or do you have a conversation with it?
25:45They tease you, right?
25:47But they're kind.
25:49I put my soul into things.
25:52That's good.
25:54No, no, no.
25:56It's okay.
25:58Things have life and energy,
26:00so they're resonating with that.
26:02Wow, he's telling me a lot.
26:04But that's true.
26:06How do you talk to them?
26:08For example, when you drop your phone.
26:10I say, I'm really sorry.
26:12You're friends?
26:14You open your heart?
26:16Sometimes I say, I'm sorry.
26:18When I was drying my hair this morning,
26:20and the dryer hit the door,
26:22I said, I'm sorry if it hurt.
26:24Really?
26:26That's amazing.
26:28Mel-san?
26:30What did you do?
26:32His face is crazy.
26:34He was crying.
26:36Isn't he a good person?
26:38He's a good person.
26:40He's a good person.
26:42He's a good person.
26:44They're both weird.
26:46They're both weird.
26:48They're both weird.
26:50Don't you feel the same way about people?
26:52Like how you feel about Merle?
26:54How I feel about Merle?
26:56I really don't care.
26:58That's amazing.
27:00I really don't care.
27:04I'm sorry.
27:06I'm sorry.
27:08That's rare.
27:10That's rare.
27:12I've never seen Merle like that.
27:14He's smiling though.
27:16He's the scariest one.
27:18We have one more question.
27:20This is from Juri Watanaka.
27:22Juri Watanaka?
27:24The members will play with Kojiro's wrong answers.
27:26He won't accept the wrong answers.
27:28He will start making excuses.
27:30Recently, when he got the dance wrong,
27:32he said his legs were cramping.
27:34He wants to have fun,
27:36but he has too many excuses.
27:38How about this?
27:40He said his legs were cramping.
27:42Really?
27:44It's an old story.
27:46I did a backflip on the stage.
27:48I had just practiced it.
27:50When I performed for the first time,
27:52I got stuck on the stage.
27:54I couldn't keep my hands.
27:56I got stuck on the floor.
27:58Before I jumped,
28:00I was worried about my shoes.
28:02I was worried.
28:04I was worried.
28:06I was worried about my shoes.
28:08I started making excuses again.
28:10I started making excuses.
28:12Those five people don't trust me.
28:14Those five people don't trust you?
28:16I'm sorry.
28:18I'm sorry.
28:20I added two more people.
28:22Why do they trust you?
28:24I can hear their excuses.
28:26I can hear their excuses.
28:28But the kind people
28:30say,
28:32I can hear their excuses.
28:34But the kind people say,
28:36I can hear their excuses.
28:38He's the local gangster.
28:40He's the local gangster.
28:42He's bad-tempered.
28:44He's bad-tempered.
28:46I shouldn't ask them questions.
28:48I'm not making excuses.
28:50I don't trust them.
28:52What about the cramping?
28:54Sometimes,
28:56I have cramping,
28:58sometimes I don't.
29:00Yeah, there were times when I didn't catch anything.
29:02Yeah, there were times when you didn't catch anything.
29:04But even when you did catch something, people didn't trust you anymore.
29:06Of course.
29:08It's your fault.
29:10It's a long time ago.
29:12So, we didn't know anything,
29:14but we still had time.
29:16We heard a lot of things,
29:18but the only thing we were sure of was that
29:20Naganishi-san and I were good friends.
29:22That's all.
29:24That was surprising, but it was fun.
29:26What kind of show was it?
29:28No, it was fun.
29:30Really?
29:32Really?
29:34Don't make it a closing comment.
29:36I'll try not to watch it.
29:38Watch it!
29:40I'm scared.
29:44After this...
29:46Talkin's in Hawaii!
29:48Talkin's in Hawaii!
29:50Talkin's in Hawaii!
29:52Talkin's in Hawaii!
29:54Talkin's in Hawaii!
30:14Next time...
30:16Talkin's in Hawaii!
30:20October 10,
30:22Talk in the Special in Hawaii.
30:27Big guest, Jin Akanishi.
30:30I was about to cry.
30:33A shocking episode that you can talk about now.
30:36Furthermore,
30:37Charisma Coordinator recommends
30:39Enjoy the best spot to go now.
30:42Don't miss it.
30:45If you want to see it again, go to TVER.
30:47The past broadcast is on FOD.