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00:00570 Gabe appear on a River Islands guest line. Is it a time for you to discover the islands River Islands in Lathrop McVeigh?
00:07Shanahan when I say Sean McVeigh you say what Shasky charismatic leader. Hmm. I think that he's a very
00:16Infectious charismatic
00:20High energy kind of a guy I think that he's somebody that I'm sure as a players coach
00:25It feels like he's very easily adaptable
00:29I mean think about early on in his tenure
00:31He had Todd Gurley and they ran the ball like crazy and he did it with a pocket quarterback
00:36And then they've obviously adapted and evolved and Stafford is I guess a little mobile
00:43But just more of a gunslinger, right?
00:45They're gonna go three wide and four wide and they're gonna really try to throw the ball all over the place
00:51He seems to be very open-minded
00:53But more than anything, it's there's like an aura around him where he seems extremely confident
00:59Some might say arrogant in a totally different way than Kyle Shanahan Shanahan seems more closed and guarded
01:06McVeigh's more like in-your-face fist pump and
01:09And the guy just feels like a leader. I think that he's a natural-born leader
01:13His voice kind of drives me crazy when he's talking and he's lost all of his his hoarseness like Doc Rivers
01:18But the results speak for themselves. The guy's a winner. He wins. He wins now when they hired Sean McVeigh
01:25The Niners obviously hire Shanahan the same offseason forever leaking the guys who coach together out in Washington
01:30And they've been on podcast together discussing
01:34You know what? It was like to work with each other and we know about the Cabo trip and you know Stafford's available
01:40She has oh, let me go to dinner and think about that way to be based
01:42I gotcha, you know, they're taking shots together. Like wait, what the hell's going on here?
01:47The diners have had McVeigh's number
01:49They have had once Shanahan got this program up and rolling and it started in 2019
01:54Started 2019 when the diners went down to the LA Memorial Coliseum
01:58And shut down the Rams 28 to 7
02:01The Jerry golf had one of the most awful days
02:03You'll see from a quarterback because that pass rush was getting after him Daniel Bosley's playing well in that day
02:08And that was a turning that was it
02:11That was a turning with a tie for Shanahan to get shot McVeigh straight up
02:14We name one nine to ten
02:16But obviously we know that one
02:18Which every Ram fan that you know all five of them when you walk out of SoFi Stadium
02:23They'll tell you we got the one that mattered. We got the one that mattered
02:28But I believe Shanahan's the better coach
02:31McVeigh works what they work it under operation where it's year-to-year. They're flipping pics. They're flipping money. They're there. They're their startup, right?
02:39Just
02:40Adjusted on a fly here here where Shanahan has built something and he's got an infrastructure and they trust their process
02:46McVeigh the Rebs haven't given a damn about the draft for many many years
02:50They finally got back into the draft over the last couple so their philosophies has been completely different organizationally
02:57Who's been more stable as an organization? I feel like the 49ers. I would probably agree
03:02I think also McVeigh inherited a better situation to start off with
03:07I mean when you inherit Todd Gurley and Aaron Donald though, though
03:10They weren't the versions of themselves that they would become with with with McVeigh. It just yeah, you started with a little more
03:16There's more in the cupboard. It's interesting
03:18I think that McVeigh really represents what LA is the flash the glitz
03:24The we're going for it like all-in and if we if we stink so be it, you know
03:29We're gonna go all-in and we're gonna try to play a certain brand
03:34Football that is gonna be a little more sexier
03:36I it just feels like the throwing the ball
03:38Tends to I think the average fan tends to be more enamored with that as opposed to the run game
03:43Whereas Kyle has got more of a blue-collar thing. Go. Yeah
03:47No
03:47McVeigh did wonders with the Rams because Jeff Fisher had ran him to the ground but to your point
03:51The Rams had a lot of talent and they went from 30th in the league in offense to number one in the league in offense
03:57I mean just like that what McVeigh did to you know
04:01Getting way Phillips and bones fossil and bringing in
04:04Veteran coaches around him to help him figure out the game to help his landing spot to say, okay
04:10That's how I got to do this. That's how I got to do that. That's how I got to do this. So
04:13It does one thing
04:15About McVeigh you like what is something about McVeigh that you like that?
04:20You would want to see from cat shot Kyle Shanahan. Do you want him to be more charismatic?
04:23Do you want to fist-pumping more?
04:26Shed a hair be a stoic. I don't want him to be something
04:29He's not like look for every McVeigh. There are also Bill Belichick's who don't show any emotion, you know
04:35And and Bill Walsh was kind of in the middle. He would ah, you'd see a lot of facial expressions on the sidelines
04:40I don't want you to lose your mind the way hardball used to lose his mind in the final four or five minutes of a
04:46Game screaming at officials because it feels like the rest of the team kind of takes on that that that presence. I
04:52Think the area that I find the most interesting with McVeigh is his
04:58his ability to adapt his own
05:01philosophies and
05:03Acknowledge out loud to the public some of his own shortcomings
05:07He has talked a lot in postgame pressers and in podcasts about clock management
05:14Which has been a huge problem for him and he was talking about like hey
05:18like Andy Reid I sat down with and I wanted to know like what why
05:22Why did you have so much trouble with the clock and then there the point that he made was really easy
05:27It's like hey, you're looking at your play sheet. You're thinking two plays ahead
05:31You're worried about substitution packages that are coming in you're doing this
05:35You know and then you're glancing at the play clock and the game clock
05:38It's a lot to adjust in a 10-second span to get the verbiage out to my quarterback all while running
05:44The whole thing is hey coach
05:46I don't know if you know this but player X is gonna you just rolled his ankle
05:49He's not available on defense next series. Like it's just a lot is being thrown at you
05:54And I think that he's done a really good job
05:57Like in Kyle's in a differently and I'll explain Kyle. I think he's done a really good job taking other people's
06:02Throwaway DC's and coordinators older people and blending them into his kind of new age thinking. It's also Raheem Morris
06:10He was a reclamation project. He came to DC the LA Rams and won a Super Bowl with them
06:14And now he's got a job in Atlanta coaching the Atlanta Falcons
06:17He was an interim coach with the interim coach with the Atlanta Falcons was a 2018 1719 baby run there
06:24but then he got fired went to the LA Rams and
06:26Worked with the McVeigh because they worked together in Washington McVeigh
06:29Raheem Morris was a position coach out in Washington with Shanahan Kyle Mike McVeigh Lafleur
06:35No those guys so McVeigh has done a good job with that now
06:39He's got Shula son his boy that he played college football with down at the Miami down at a Miami of Ohio
06:44So that's gonna be an adjustment there and he got cooked up last week
06:47But I do wonder what Stan Kroenke as the owner and the way their motto is how much will they adjusted?
06:54Focusing on the draft and just kind of building within and also McVeigh's flirted with the retirement over and over and over again
07:01He seems so charismatic that he does have a future in television and I don't know what that's about
07:07He flirted with the retirement
07:09We've heard nothing about shit. Hey shit. It has seems like a lifer. He's gonna be doing this until he's 70. No doubt
07:14Yeah, I don't think Shanahan likes to be in front of the podium
07:17I don't think he hates it
07:19But I don't think he loves it the way McVeigh loves to be in front of the podium
07:22McVeigh loves to be the guy
07:24The other part about like the reclamation projects is he's done it with players
07:27So Odell Beckham was a guy nobody really wanted to touch at the time
07:32He brought him in and he squeezed the lemon for every drop. They don't win that Super Bowl without Odell Beckham
07:36I don't think they get past the Niners without Odell Beckham. He did it with Carson Wentz
07:40He did it with Baker Mayfield where he's taken, you know flyers on guys and they haven't been prominent players
07:46But I don't think Baker is where Baker is today without his little pit stop in LA
07:51Yeah, now he's taking flyers on guys who were drafted highly
07:53I mean, let's face it Baker was a number one overall pick Carson Wentz was a top three pick
07:58He will take a flyer on a guy who's picked in the first round or Shanahan. It's kind of the opposite
08:04I know they traded for Jimmy who was a second round pick and they made the move for Troy Lantz and it didn't work out
08:10But other than that like Brock's seventh round pick Nick Bullock's who heard of him, you know
08:14I've said CJ Beathard a third round pick that nobody was really high on the coming out of Iowa. Really CJ Beathard
08:21Brian Hoyer a career journeyman. So in that aspect always wondered shed a head could work with light guys like that
08:28What do you want a first round hotshot quarterback think about the guys they fell in love with the Washington
08:32It wasn't RG three. It was Kirk Cousins who's drafted in the fourth round out of Michigan State
08:37So that's another philosophical difference there when it comes to shed a head and shed a head at a Sean McVeigh
08:45Sean McVeigh, well, and it also feels like
08:48His relationship with the GM similar to Kyle Shanahan's is pretty good
08:53They they know exactly what they're looking for in players
08:56And when they strike like for a Jalen Ramsey
09:00They'll strike like if they think they can get that guy and I think that rubbed off on the Niners
09:04Making trades for Trent Williams making trades for CMC
09:07I think they saw what the what the Rams were doing and like, you know what?
09:10I think we do need to be bold at times
09:12I mean they did it with Jimmy G but the Trenton CMC felt very different. It felt way more aggressive. No, it was aggressive
09:18I wonder how much Lynch how much influence Lynch had Deshaun Jackson was on with uh, was this Kay Adams? I believe Kay Adams
09:26Maybe but he was asked who the best coach of the NFL is outside of Andy Reid. Listen to Sean Jackson
09:33Andy's not on the board. You can't pick Andy who's the best coach in the NFL right now present or just all-time present
09:42Best coach right now in the NFL. I'll probably go Sean McVeigh
09:50Now
09:53You got to take that with a grain of salt cuz Deshaun Jackson played with McVeigh for a little bit
10:00He had a cup of coffee with Sean McVeigh at LA
10:05Why you smiling like that it's just I think they're very close Kyle and McVeigh
10:10I think they're you take McVeigh. I'll take Shanahan if they take Shanahan. I'll take McVeigh
10:16They're very very very close and it's like we do this thing. Well, he's got the Super Bowl
10:20It's like okay
10:21So if Stafford doesn't connect on that no-look pass or if Borough finds a way
10:27Even the final drive to score a touchdown. We look at McVeigh dramatically different
10:31It's I just the margins are so thin and it just it bugs me that we do this and I do it
10:37I do it too. It's like Shanahan doesn't have the big one
10:40It's like well Doug Peterson has the big one, you know, and he beat Belichick. How's Dougie P looking today?
10:46Yeah, you you need Dougie P like yes, is it the ultimate prize?
10:50Is that what you play for? Of course all those things, but I think knocking on the door
10:54There is something to be said for knocking on the door
10:56I'm not saying that you don't want to win it all. Of course, you want to win it all
11:00Just saying that I think we dismiss the journey and we give a little too much credit to winning it all when you kind of
11:07stink in between winning it all how much is that elevated McVeigh over Shanahan that Super Bowl rig because he went through Shanahan to
11:14Go get it and that seems like the sticky because for a long time good point. I was I
11:19Was a big I'm a McVeigh fan. I'll admit it used to get on me say man. You loved up, but you love shopping. Hey
11:28I like that. I like the goofiness. I like the fist-pumping. Okay, you know
11:32The hair we had that well the hairs whatever. I mean, you know, it's getting a little high and tight
11:37I can relate here is whatever. I mean, I can relate. I knew he can ask
11:41It is a little spiky I want to be compared to him
11:44I thought he was more frat bro early on just cuz I saw like what is this guy doing, dude?
11:49Whoa, what is going on? But he's much more emotionally intelligent than I gave him credit for now. He's legit
11:54Do you guys want to hear what he sounds like after a win?
11:56Like do you want to I'm gonna play an example of years past?
11:59I think this was back like in that Super Bowl year when they had Whitworth they had CJ Anderson. This is Sean McVeigh after a win
12:10Stopping the wrong road
12:20200 plus hundred-yard rushers, where's CJ Anderson at?
12:28You cannot say enough about the O-line
12:32Our leader in this first playoff dub check it off
12:35Final four next week
12:40For that guy, right, come on
12:41There's something hardball like where I feel like he feels he's closer to a player than he is a coach and I kind of love
12:48That I'm not gonna lie to you. It grows on me. You have shed a heads-up post game
12:52Give me a shed a head post game. Now. I watched Raheem Morris again. I was on the Falcons page yesterday
12:57I don't know why I don't know what led me down to that rabbit hole. Well, you're
13:02No, yeah, that's what it is cuz you are shiny Raheem Morris Raheem Morris was in a locker room
13:07He goes, you know
13:08I wanted to give a tough guy speech and I went in there and there was a party every Morris is dropping f-bomb after f-bomb
13:14That's our f-bomb after f-bomb after f-bomb like man. He is filling himself had to be it for beating, Philadelphia
13:19Now, let's hear from shit
13:21Shit ahead after the game. Hey guys, hell of a job, man
13:24All right game everybody across the board. How many runs do we get 37 runs guys?
13:31Awesome job
13:35Guys hell of a job man. We got Minnesota. It'll be a very quick turnaround. You guys get your rest take advantage of tomorrow
13:42Appreciate you guys awesome game
13:46This is all the beginning
13:52Now what would inspire you more after a game big V or shit
13:57But here's the deal though, like there's different leadership types, right and so there are
14:03Like there's many different ways to be a president or a general or the head of a company or in this case a coach
14:09Like okay, for example, there is guys that will kiss you like the guy who used to run the st
14:15Louis Rams, you know, what's the guy's name?
14:17Jeff Fisher Dick Vermeil right for building right Dick Vermeil and he is he's one type of way and then there's the Bill Belichick way
14:24You're not getting a hug from Bill Belichick or Vermeil Vermeil would uh, he'd cry he let those tears flow now
14:30I didn't see Belichick. He'd be calling out Kendrick board was one of his favorites Kendrick board
14:35He loves some Kendrick board Bill Belichick surprisingly
14:38He has some interesting postgame presses
14:40but like not everyone is gonna react the same way like Joe Tory and Bruce Bochy are different right and and
14:46So but I think that's the beauty of sports is there's many ways that you can win. It's uh, you know
14:51It's just what do you prefer?
14:53But I would say that the Niners feel more player driven than the Rams the Rams
14:58There's a clear alpha and it's Sean McVay. He's the alpha now
15:02I wonder how that dynamic has changed with their Aaron Donovan. I was gonna say that Aaron Donald not being there
15:08Yeah, but I don't know how vocal comes a quiet guy
15:10I just know how Shanahan operates and there is a there is a contingent of elite players that kind of
15:16Run the locker room and I think he's more
15:20Cerebral I just think it's different for a weight good point and good knowledge here on the show when we had George Kittle on
15:25For a weight exceeding the mobile tech side kiddo has said players can sits if someone is fake
15:30Why would Shani act fake to prop up his team? I agree. Yeah, absolutely. Can you play him again?
15:36Let's go McVay and it's Shanahan
15:49Oh
15:55Plus hundred-yard rushers, where's CJ Anderson at?
16:03Cannot say enough about the old line
16:07Our leader in this first playoff dump check it off
16:11I
16:14Got hell of a job man. All right game everybody across the board. How many runs do we get 37 runs guys?
16:26Guys hell of a job man. We got Minnesota. It'll be a very quick turnaround. You guys get your rest take advantage of tomorrow
16:33Appreciate you guys awesome game
16:35Oh
16:37This only beginning
16:42Now one was a playoff win and one was a regular season
16:47Because you heard him their final four. That was I think they're true
16:51Championship with Andrew over but that being said I feel like Sean McVay does that after every week anyway, yeah, I would agree
16:57Also, I think Kyle is more
17:00Demeanor wise he's more Andy Reid than he is. Dick Ramil Sean McVay. I
17:07Could see that I could see that cuz like like we don't even question this with Andy Reid
17:11No, and Andy no, do I think Andy can be stern?
17:15I mean the fact that you elbow Travis Kelsey in the Super Bowl
17:18We don't even talk about it and you can just get away with like a shoulder little like thump like don't how dare you do
17:23That to me like I do and I find I find it to be self-deprecating in certain moments
17:29But I think Kyle I'm sure there are 50 layers to Kyle. We never see. Well, Andy Reid. Andy Reid does uh, how about those?
17:37City gets down. He starts fist bumping. It's also six. Yeah, but he always does. How about those?
17:47Dan Campbell, he has some fiery speeches, you know for sure
17:50Did he just walked out and they break it down hardball hardball had a lie yesterday. He's talking about
17:55I
17:58'm gonna be like Moses. I'm gonna die leaning on my staff
18:11He pointed at Alex Smith to the Detroit game he goes clutch
18:15clutch
18:17The first ever hardball game, I'll never forget it at home and I think it was the Rams knows they play Seattle
18:24Oh
18:29He's wearing black cleats, yeah black cleats and he's taking snaps under center in the south end zone
18:36And I'm saying to myself this guy's great
18:39He's amazing and he's like slapping up players and and he's throwing passes and I was like, dude, I love this guy
18:45That's why McVeigh I'd in a way
18:47He reminds me of hardball because I think that he wants to go out there and run route
18:51Did you see seriati? He was throwing passes with the kid before Monday night football and he told the kid he's like back up back
18:57Up, I'm throwing even longer. So he's playing with the kid
19:07Because he literally has no confidence in the building and doesn't understand the X's and O's
19:12Oh, I think the way Shanahan does things is clearly extremely successful
19:18He's being authentic to himself. The players pick up on that
19:21There's nothing worse than when you're in a job setting and someone's not who you think they are. They're like a fake boss
19:28Tough guy, you know like or fake soft guy like we had a boss at one point not here
19:34I'm at a different spot and I always felt like he was reading a book on like this is how tech companies would operate
19:40And it's just like dude, you're such a phony
19:48You don't know it was a different work setting. Oh, I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh, let's