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"Govt Khud Kehrahi Hai Kay unkay Pas Bhi koi Official Draft Nahi..."Senator Kamran Murtaza's
"Govt Khud Kehrahi Hai Kay unkay Pas Bhi koi Official Draft Nahi..."Senator Kamran Murtaza's
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00:00At this time, since the debate started, have there been any settles on the issue of Ayani Tarmeen, or are these issues still there?
00:12Because right now, Maulana Sahib is playing the most important role and is playing the most important role in the number game as well.
00:19So, have there been any settles?
00:21Look, it is premature to talk about settles.
00:25As of now, the government itself is saying that we do not have any official document.
00:30The drafts that have been given to us are draft documents and they can be right or wrong.
00:36Now, this is being taken as a stand by the government.
00:39So, they say that our draft will be that which the cabinet approves.
00:44So, first approve the cabinet, bring it, then call for an assembly meeting and share it with us.
00:49Then we will take time.
00:51Now, this is a constitutional amendment.
00:53Even for the common law, time is required for it.
00:57In that, committees debate on it.
00:59It goes to the committees and there is a debate in the committees.
01:02They try to remove the shortcomings and shortcomings in it.
01:06Originally, there were 56 clauses where the amendment was discussed.
01:13After that, slowly, slowly, the scissor got caught.
01:17Some get cut, some remain, then some get cut, then some remain.
01:21So, the actual official document should be brought forward.
01:26Let us debate on that official document.
01:29We do not want to debate only on that.
01:31What I want is that you send it to the Bar Councils, send it to the Bar Associations.
01:37Publish it for the general public.
01:40But, Mr. Kamran, the government has already said that we are not doing a referendum.
01:44We are doing a constitutional amendment.
01:46And constitutional amendment is the right of the Parliament.
01:49So, we cannot bring everyone or the people in between.
01:52Bringing the people who are in the Parliament in between is something different.
01:56Tell me, today, the meeting that Arif Falvi had with Maulana...
02:01Can I answer this?
02:02Yes, of course.
02:03Go ahead.
02:07Yes, the answer to this is that the amendments are not for the public.
02:12That is why we do not want to bring everyone in between.
02:15So, if it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.
02:18If it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.
02:21Similarly, the constitution, you call it a social agreement, right?
02:25So, a social agreement is for the society.
02:28A constitutional amendment is for the society.
02:31But, Senator sir, Maulana's and PMLN's breakthrough could not happen.
02:37Was this the reason?
02:38Yes, Maulana's biggest point was that this is for the society.
02:47Without taking the society into consideration, without giving the society's representatives the permission to debate,
02:54we cannot move forward.
02:56So, we need to set a time for a fair debate.
03:01And people should know what we are going to do.
03:04So that the feedback that does not come to anyone's mind,
03:07even if he is sitting in the parliament as a representative,
03:11but it does not come to his mind,
03:13but it is said by the Bar Council,
03:16it is said by the general public,
03:19and this feedback comes from other experts.
03:23So, what will happen after that will be more consistent.
03:27There will be less chance of mistakes.
03:29Senator sir, the changes that the JQI had asked the PMLN to make,
03:35were those changes made?
03:37Because when Maulana was coming to the committee at night,
03:42the chances, at least, were that he would come or leave.
03:46The situation has changed a lot recently.
03:48The situation has changed.
03:50By that time, the changes that Maulana had asked the JQI to make,
03:54were those changes made?
04:00No, Maulana.
04:01One was Maulana's speech.
04:03Some ideas were taken from Maulana's speech,
04:06but those ideas, to some extent,
04:10were used for their own purposes.
04:14The second change was in relation to Article 8,
04:17which states that the fundamental rights are protected by the constitution,
04:22and the court can examine the legislation in this regard.
04:27The net was being tightened.
04:30That change has certainly been made.
04:32Article 199, which was to reduce the power of the courts in relation to national security,
04:38perhaps that has also been omitted,
04:41which you will have as a document.
04:43But this was not enough, or this is not enough.
04:46What would be enough is that people are given a chance to think about this,
04:51whether they are parliamentarians or other than parliamentarians.
04:55Would there be enough changes?
04:57Mr. Kamran, since you are a lawyer yourself,
05:00and you were a very integral part of the legal debate,
05:04would there be more changes in that working paper,
05:07because Mr. Rana Sinhaullah is calling it a working paper,
05:09and not a consultation,
05:10because it has obviously not been passed by the cabinet.
05:12Should there be more changes?
05:16Let's assume that it was a working paper.
05:20In that working paper, there were originally 56 clauses,
05:23and now we have brought it down to 53.
05:26If there are changes made to it,
05:28then it will no longer be a matter of 5 or 10 clauses.
05:31Personal and specific things will have to be removed.
05:34A lot of things will still have to be corrected.
05:38Even if we agree with them in terms of concepts,
05:43but we will have to correct their integrity.
05:46We will have to make it so fair that people cannot object to it.
05:49They should not say that this work was done for Anita,
05:52this work was done for Kamran,
05:54this work was done for Farhan.
05:55These things will have to be corrected.
05:57Mr. Kamran, I understand what you are saying,
05:59but please tell us,
06:01how long do you think it will take for the situation to settle,
06:04or for you to be acceptable?
06:07Do you have a timeframe
06:11for the situation to settle?
06:19This is not a premature question.
06:21Mr. Rana Sinhaullah himself says that he does not have an official document.
06:25When the official document arrives,
06:27first of all, he should give the official document a face.
06:32Mr. Kamran, just a few moments ago,
06:34Mr. Rana Sinhaullah gave me a timeline
06:37that when the Prime Minister returns,
06:40in the beginning of October,
06:42it is expected that there will be a breakthrough.
06:45Do you also see a breakthrough in the beginning of October?
06:54He may have some knowledge of the unseen,
06:56but I do not.
06:57I cannot say anything on this.
06:59Something else may happen in October.
07:01I do not know.
07:02Anything can happen.
07:03I cannot say anything on the unseen.
07:06Anything can happen.
07:07I do not know what will happen,
07:09but let us wait and see.
07:11If there is no official document,
07:13then circulate half of the official document,
07:16which is a semi-governmental document,
07:19among the people,
07:21so that people can have an opinion on it.
07:25You are talking about greater consensus.
07:28This is an important point.
07:30But tell me,
07:31is the greater consensus a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf?
07:35Because,
07:36before this,
07:37at the night of Atta Tarar's press conference,
07:40which was expected to be passed,
07:42he said that,
07:43Mr. Maulana,
07:44this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
07:47He said that,
07:48this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
07:51On that night,
07:52he said that,
07:53Mr. Maulana wants to create greater consensus in the opposition.
07:57So, the meeting you had with Mr. Arif Alvi,
07:59was it a part of greater consensus, Mr. Kamran?
08:06It is true that Maulana said that,
08:08the PTI should be trusted.
08:10He wants that,
08:11without the PTI,
08:12nothing should happen.
08:14Even if he disagrees with someone,
08:16agrees with someone,
08:17but his input should be included in it.
08:20Because,
08:21he is a representative of the people.
08:23We cannot outrightly reject him.
08:25Our opinions are different.
08:27Our views are different.
08:29We are on two ends.
08:30But,
08:31despite this,
08:32because he is a representative of the people,
08:34we cannot ignore him.
08:36So, Maulana's demand was that,
08:38nothing should be done without the PTI.