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Bilawal Bhutto Meets Maulana Fazal ur Rehman Amid talks on constitutional amendments | Inside News
Bilawal Bhutto Meets Maulana Fazal ur Rehman Amid talks on constitutional amendments | Inside News
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00:00But Mr. Bilawal, in the world, such examples can be found only in Banana Republic or else not,
00:06where the amendment of the constitution, which happened in Zardari Sahib's time itself,
00:09when the 18th amendment was passed,
00:11the review of the constitution of Pakistan was taken,
00:13how much time did it take?
00:14People's Party still takes credit for this, and takes the correct credit,
00:16that the 1973 constitution was agreed upon.
00:18So, the amendment of the constitution is a very big thing.
00:20The way this attempt was made to amend the constitution,
00:22oh, it will be 10 in the morning,
00:24oh no, not 10, let's do 4,
00:26not 4, let's do 8, let's do 10,
00:27oh, let's do it tomorrow,
00:28oh no, let's do it today,
00:29so, was it an ideal way to execute it,
00:32or do you think this is the government's stupidity?
00:34Sir, there are questions about timing and process,
00:37you must ask them to the government,
00:39ask the right questions,
00:41but as far as you are saying that the consensus is absolutely correct,
00:46in 1973, in the time of Pakistan People's Party,
00:49despite having a two-thirds majority,
00:52we got the whole consensus passed.
00:55In the 18th amendment, we did not have a majority,
00:58and even then, with full consensus,
01:01we got that amendment passed.
01:04But it is not written anywhere in the constitution
01:06that you can only pass an amendment
01:08when you have a three-thirds majority.
01:11The current political situation in this country,
01:14as you can see,
01:18the polarization has reached such an extent
01:21that we, especially our
01:24senior and respected opposition politicians,
01:29but the other politicians sitting in our opposition,
01:32and I believe that the politicians sitting in the government branches,
01:36we have brought this politics to such a level
01:38that we are not ready to raise our hands.
01:41I have made a lot of efforts,
01:43in front of the world, in front of the nation, in front of you,
01:46this is my effort.
01:48When between the government and the opposition,
01:52the unfortunate incident that took place in the parliament,
01:55because of which the entire parliament,
01:57on the benches of the government and in the opposition,
01:59we took a stand and made a committee
02:02so that we can take input from all the politicians,
02:07whether it is a reform of our institution
02:09or a reform of some other institution,
02:11we wanted, it was our effort once again,
02:14that PTI should come
02:16and adopt a positive political character in the opposition.
02:20But a day later,
02:22their leader gave such a statement,
02:27which again, that path, that space,
02:30of the opposition, of those communities,
02:32and our conversation,
02:34he sabotaged it.
02:36How did he sabotage it?
02:38He has given such a terrifying statement,
02:41in which both the content of court is present,
02:44and the crime of sedition is also present.
02:47So until today, he has not even made it clear
02:50whether our leader gave this statement or not.
02:53In that environment, for us,
02:56and for the Muslim League Nawaz as well,
03:00it is difficult for us to understand
03:02that by sitting with them,
03:04we pass this constitutional amendment with their input.
03:09On the basis of principles, on ideal situations,
03:11you are absolutely right.
03:13I would love the opposition's input.
03:15But what we feel, and I hope that time proves us wrong,
03:18right now, we feel that
03:21PTI is doing it for the sake of the opposition.
03:26They are not doing it on the basis of principles,
03:29on the basis of a positive character.
03:32Okay. Ideally, this should not happen.
03:35The constitutional amendment should be fulfilled.
03:36Only two-thirds should be fulfilled.
03:38I am saying this correctly.
03:39If I say this, it is an open secret.
03:40That day, the constitutional amendment was not approved
03:42that Maulana should not agree to certain things.
03:45Is it okay that Maulana went to you the night before
03:48and gave you the commitment that it is okay, agreed?
03:51As far as the night before is concerned,
03:54it may not be so.
03:56Without Maulana Fazl Rehman's consensus,
03:59it is impossible for us to pass this constitutional amendment.
04:04The meeting I had with Maulana Fazl Rehman the night before,
04:10in that, Maulana Fazl Rehman's objection,
04:15or the objection of the Jamaat,
04:17the government's wishes,
04:19which were so many,
04:20regarding the constitutional amendment,
04:21were quite a lot.
04:23Even my party,
04:25whichever government you imagine,
04:27if they have a 10-point or 20-point wish list,
04:31regarding the constitutional amendment,
04:33Pakistan People's Party also had an engagement
04:36of one or two weeks with the government.
04:39We tried to explain to them that
04:42first, we believe that
04:44there should be clean and succinct judicial reforms,
04:49constitutional court,
04:51review of the 19th Arvin,
04:54these components should be there.
04:56And if there are any other issues,
04:58then they should be raised in their own context.
05:00There is no need to get them together.
05:05You also know that
05:07if I want to make my own calls to the government,
05:12or if I want to give my opinion on the judicial appointments process,
05:18then I will have to accept their points as well.
05:20Similarly, Maulana Fazl Rehman
05:23had to be engaged in the same way.
05:25Maulana Fazl Rehman's Jamaat,
05:28after coming to that committee,
05:30the raw draft that the government has,
05:33Maulana Fazl Rehman's input,
05:38if there was any additional input on my Jamaat,
05:41or if there was any input from the rest of the committee members,
05:45we sat down and if we could come to a consensus,
05:49two-thirds by minimum,
05:51then we had to get it passed.
05:53And it didn't happen at that time.
05:55But I don't think there is any need to be disappointed.
06:00We have been waiting since 2006 to bring this amendment.
06:05If we wait for a few more days, then there is no harm in that.
06:09But of course, there is a need to engage with Maulana Fazl Rehman.
06:13The Pakistan People's Party and Maulana Fazl Rehman's Jamaat,
06:17which came together,
06:19the original draft of the Pakistan People's Party,
06:26which we prepared with this reference,
06:28with reference to the constitutional court,
06:32for implementing the Charter of Democracy,
06:36we will put that in front of the JUI.
06:41And the JUI is also working on its own draft.
06:46So if we can make a consensus document between our two drafts,
06:52then perhaps it will be easier for us to cross that two-thirds majority.
06:58This may take a month or two?
07:00Yes.
07:01I will try to get it done as soon as possible.
07:05But because this is not a wish of today or tomorrow,
07:11my priority is that we achieve what we want to achieve.
07:16If we want to take Maulana Fazl Rehman with us,
07:23then perhaps it will not take a month or two.
07:26But this is Maulana Fazl Rehman's desire,
07:29and I think it is a legitimate desire from his perspective,
07:33that we not only bring the government together,
07:36but also have the input of the PTI.
07:39If we follow that process,
07:42then perhaps it will take a month or two.
07:45My point of view is that these reforms may or may not happen.
07:51But if we work with an open heart and with a good intention,
07:59then God willing, the result of this hard work will be achieved.