Durante 10 años se ha librado una guerra contra el extremismo islamista y los talibanes, pero esta guerra no comenzó con el 11 de septiembre: se ha librado durante 30 años. El doctor Ghafoor Zamani viaja dentro de Pakistán, uno de los países más peligrosos del mundo, en busca de quién está manejando los hilos del radicalismo en el país, que no es oitro que Gamid Gull, un antiguo general de la inteligencia pakistaní.
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00:00Pakistan, one of the most dangerous countries in the world. All the traces of terrorism
00:20lead to Pakistan. We are going to find out where exactly those traces lead us, and who
00:28moves the threads in the shadows. We have been fighting against terror, death and
00:40the Taliban for more than ten years. But we do not know who is really behind all this.
00:51However, this war did not start on September 11. It has been going on for more than 30 years.
01:06And during these 30 years, this man has always been the most prominent figure. General Hamid
01:12Ghul, former Director General of the Pakistan Intelligence Agency.
01:28America. For much of the Islamic world, the United States has been the symbol of freedom
01:34for decades. But not for me. Because the West has always supported and financed Islamist
01:41movements . And that has always bothered me. Hillary Clinton is clear about it.
01:51Let's remember one thing. The people we are fighting against today are the same people
01:57we financed 20 years ago. We got down to business. We contacted the ISI and the Pakistani
02:04army and decided to recruit Mujahideen to defeat the Soviet Union. But be careful what
02:10you sow, you reap. I'll have to go around that.
02:21These Al-Qaeda facilities are located six kilometers from here. Supposedly they were
02:26destroyed in 2001 during a US attack on the Taliban. There is a camera that is filming
02:32the day-to-day of the Taliban in the front line of battle on the other side of the mountain.
02:37A region where there is great activity. It will also try to access the meetings they
02:43have in different cities.
02:50When I was little, when I heard stories of foreign invaders, I took out my weapons.
02:55That is our tradition. Today I fight against the Americans, just like my great-grandparents
03:00did against the British.
03:07On the flight to Pakistan, an international amnesty declaration comes to my mind. Pakistan
03:13is the most dangerous country in the world for journalists.
03:27Islamabad. I feel observed from the first moment. Observed by the ISI, the Pakistani military
03:35intelligence agency. And here, it is venerated as a god. Allah sees everything. Allah knows
03:42everything.
04:04In the hotel, I wait for my Pakistani companion, Irfan Tarek, whom I have known for years.
04:35Irfan has promised us that tomorrow he will take us to General Will.
04:40We have met here, in the center of the city. I assume that they are following each of my
04:45steps. The ISI is everywhere.
05:11Irfan keeps silent and cancels the appointment. All my efforts to convince him are useless.
05:18It makes me understand that they are watching us.
05:26He is afraid.
05:28I will change my strategy.
05:43Everyone, including this driver, praises my German origins. To be more exact, Nazi Germany
05:50and Hitler.
05:53I hope to meet General Will in this center of Islamic ideology, as he usually comes
05:58here.
06:05But I only get to meet one of his admirers.
06:12When you study the history of Germany, you realize that it has a great history, that it
06:17is a people with its own identity, with a policy towards the Jews, which has won the
06:23admiration of Muslims from all over the world, partly thanks to Hitler. You have, on the
06:30one hand, Tariq the Taliban, and on the other, Mohammed Tariq.
06:36Is it the same?
06:38They have the same origin, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It can be said that they are a single
06:45organization, only that they use different names for security reasons.
06:54He believes that there are many Islamic parties with different names, but that, deep down,
06:59they are all reduced to two, Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
07:15I have been trying to get in touch with another comrade for days, in whom I have placed all
07:21my hopes.
07:30His name is Wali Babar. He is not afraid of the ISI, even though he receives threats
07:38from time to time. In his chronicles, he usually criticizes the links between the Taliban, Al-Qaeda
07:46and the intelligence agency, the ISI.
07:50Wali Khan Babar, Jew News, Karachi.
08:21Among the Islamic leaders, we see officers and generals, dressed in street clothes.
08:28General Ghul not only has the support of the army, but also of the people.
08:34He does not need to hide, like Bin Laden.
08:39We will defeat the Americans, and we will start a revolution against the Pakistani government.
08:49It is impossible for us to approach Ghul.
08:52The security forces in street clothes prevent any stranger from approaching him.
09:06Thanks to Babar, I discover that most of Ghul's friends do not live far from Islamabad.
09:12They are opposing us resistance right behind this mountain.
09:15While the government of the capital does its best to maintain good relations with the West.
09:27We head there, to the province of Hyder.
09:32Bin Laden lived here for a while, but we did not know this then.
09:39This road is not only the way to the Taliban, but also the main supply route
09:44for the NATO.
09:46Here, every day, there are attacks on trucks transporting gasoline and weapons
09:50for international troops.
10:01We are right on the border with Afghanistan.
10:05I am looking for an Islamic leader, Imam Fayyaz, a friend of General Ghul.
10:20Imam Fayyaz often invites General Ghul to this mosque.
10:35I bear witness that there is no god but Allah.
10:40Nothing matters about his opinion about terrorism.
10:43While the Americans attack us with their drones,
10:46there will still be people who want to commit suicide as a form of protest.
10:51They are looking for General Ghul because he is an alleged terrorist,
10:54but they also do it because he was a friend of his for years.
11:04I think that in this American policy there is something that fails.
11:11Our religion only accepts the law of God and its rules.
11:14We do not accept any secular authority.
11:17That is our official law.
11:20We do not allow any deviation with respect to Islam.
11:26Today he does not speak of General Ghul, the Taliban or Al Qaeda.
11:30These are images of previous meetings that I have had with him.
11:46Imam Fayyaz travels almost daily to go from one Quranic school to another,
11:53and from one Taliban meeting to another.
11:56This is where the hard core of the Taliban gathers.
11:59They come from all over the region.
12:05The devil comes from the West, says Imam Fayyaz.
12:13If Fayyaz himself is the one who places the turban on the children of the Quranic schools
12:17when they are 12 years old, it is because they are true Taliban.
12:27As soon as I mention our key word, terror, it ends our conversation.
12:33I have to go, he says.
12:46I have a bad feeling.
12:49The army and the intelligence agency are going to attack us.
12:54The army and the intelligence agency control any daily movement.
13:00I have been waiting for my comrade Babar to arrive.
13:03He will bring me information about General Ghul.
13:07I have been waiting for my comrade Babar to arrive.
13:10He will bring me information about General Ghul.
13:20Then I heard the terrible news.
13:26Babar was about to return home when the Taliban came in his way.
13:31He was only 29 years old.
13:36Babar was only 29 years old.
13:46When someone asked Babar why he was exposing himself to danger,
13:50he always said,
13:52because he wanted a change in society.
13:59We do not feel safe leaving the hotel without someone to trust.
14:04Newsreels of all kinds are closed about Pakistan.
14:07At that time, we were not aware that the US military intelligence service
14:11At that time, we were not aware that the US military intelligence service
14:13was planning an attack against Bin Laden near there.
14:22Colonel Shah Mahmood, official of the intelligence agency, the ISI, wants to talk to me.
14:30Colonel Shah introduces himself in street clothes.
14:33He shows himself close, and wants to help us talk to General Ghul.
14:49The President of Pakistan, Ali Zardari, said,
14:52Ghul is the thinking head of the Taliban and the terrorists.
14:56Is it true?
14:58I think his ideas...
15:00I mean, there are some people in Pakistan
15:03who give certain proclamations in favor of the Taliban.
15:07And General Hamid Ghul is one of them.
15:11But just like in your country or his country,
15:14there is freedom of expression.
15:17And as long as he does not commit any crime by himself,
15:22no agency has reason to detain him.
15:28Ghul. General.
15:30An experienced agent among Taliban militants and terrorists.
15:34A man who performs many functions.
15:43Pakistan is full of CIA agents.
15:48They are persecuted and detained,
15:50as happened, for example, with Raymond Davis.
15:59We do not know the true relationship
16:01between the different intelligence agencies.
16:07I think the CIA men are being prepared
16:10to infiltrate the government of Pakistan.
16:13Something that the government itself complains about.
16:17In general, the Pakistani government
16:20does not want to infiltrate the government of Pakistan.
16:24In general, the Pakistanis agree
16:27that the CIA should not be allowed to work in Pakistan.
16:35Shah Mahmood claims that the CIA should not work here.
16:39Babar is dead.
16:41Should I feel safe?
16:43The governor of the province of Punjab
16:46was killed not far from where we are now,
16:49in the Koysar market.
16:51He had come to have tea or coffee,
16:54and he was killed.
16:56There have been many deaths.
16:58A general of three stars has died,
17:01two generals of two stars,
17:03and at least seven generals of one star.
17:06Pakistan has suffered a lot,
17:08and this will not change.
17:10Yesterday, as you know,
17:12a journalist was killed.
17:15Here, in Pakistan,
17:17there is not much news
17:19about the harassment and killings of journalists.
17:25The ISI is a state within a state.
17:28My Pakistani fellow journalists even say
17:31that other countries have intelligence agencies,
17:35but ours has its own country.
17:38And one of the co-founders of this state
17:42is General Gould.
17:48We return to Washington.
17:50The US government knows more
17:52than what it says about General Gould.
17:55Maybe the CIA can help me.
17:58Through their website,
18:00I get the phone.
18:02I call, and they show an arrogant attitude.
18:05On the way to Langley,
18:07I think of General Gould
18:09and the former head of the CIA,
18:11William Webster,
18:13to the left of Gould in this photograph.
18:27However, our meeting takes an unexpected turn.
18:33Some guards block our way,
18:35erase the material we have recorded,
18:38interrogate us, and arrest us.
18:41The signal seemed very friendly.
18:58We return to the hotel.
19:00Something important is happening
19:02between Washington and Islamabad.
19:09At that precise moment,
19:11the CIA and the US troops
19:13displaced in Afghanistan
19:15were about to kill Bin Laden,
19:17something I obviously did not know then.
19:20The US government has said
19:22that Mullah Omar is in Pakistan,
19:25that Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan,
19:28and that many other people
19:30are also in Pakistan.
19:32The US government has said
19:34that Osama Bin Laden
19:36is in Pakistan, and many others too.
19:39To begin with, that is not correct,
19:41and they are also wrong
19:43in following that strategy.
19:45In fact, Bin Laden was not very far from us.
19:58The US government had been following
20:01the men who were behind Bin Laden for a long time.
20:04We think that in Pakistan
20:06there was some sort of network
20:08that was supporting Bin Laden.
20:12But we do not know who was
20:14or where those networks were.
20:16We do not know whether they were
20:18people inside or outside the government.
20:21And that is something that we have to investigate,
20:24and what is more important,
20:26that the government of Pakistan has to investigate.
20:29But the one they already know is this man.
20:32General Ghul is on the list
20:34of the most wanted terrorists in the US.
20:45They do not allow me to enter the CIA.
20:48But we went to see Robert Dreyfus,
20:50who knows the CIA very well.
20:57Hello, nice to meet you.
20:59You must be Ghafoor Samani.
21:02People from the CIA told me
21:04that they wanted to support
21:06the most feared murderers in Afghanistan
21:08because they were the most effective.
21:11That is to say,
21:13the more bloody they were
21:15and the more they cut their throats,
21:17the more useful they were for the US.
21:21They believed that using religion,
21:24and even religious fanatics,
21:26who are uncontrollable,
21:28was the best way to fight
21:30the Soviet Union.
21:33They did not think about the consequences.
21:37And that is the reality of these fanatic groups
21:40that support Ghul to this day.
21:43Anyone can be splashed.
21:59Here we see General Ghul
22:01next to the Afghan leader of Al-Qaeda,
22:03Haqqani.
22:07Ghul feels comfortable on both sides,
22:09both with the Pakistani army
22:11and with the Santos warriors.
22:17Many army officers
22:19became increasingly Islamist
22:21during this same period
22:23because they were no longer receiving training
22:26in the United States,
22:28where they could drink alcohol
22:30and lead a more Western life.
22:33The military core in Pakistan
22:35was not Westernized at all.
22:38Today the problem is that the United States
22:40has to face a new and different Pakistan,
22:43which is supporting the Taliban
22:45and which is becoming
22:47increasingly anti-American.
22:51He does not mention Ghul at any time,
22:54but he claims that an Islamic leader
22:56is on his way to London.
23:21The arrival of this leader to London
23:23had already been announced on the Internet
23:25several months ago.
23:27His name is Qazi Hussein
23:29and he is the leader of an important
23:31Islamic party in Pakistan.
23:36We have agreed to meet here with Qazi
23:38on the Islamic mission,
23:40one of the largest centers
23:42for European Muslims.
23:44But once again,
23:46luck is on our side.
23:48According to an assistant,
23:50Qazi has been forbidden to travel to Great Britain.
23:54We then take the opportunity
23:56to visit what is known as London.
23:58Qazi and Ghul do not need to travel
24:00to Europe in person
24:02to spread their influence.
24:04Here one finds Islamic propaganda
24:06in any corner.
24:12In one of the DVDs,
24:14Qazi harshly criticizes
24:16the pro-US government of Islamabad.
24:18His solution is to establish
24:20a radical Islamic state
24:22in Pakistan.
24:29But what influence
24:31do General Ghul and his men have
24:33in Europe?
24:35We visit the renowned
24:37International Institute of Strategic Studies.
24:43Hello, they are waiting for me.
24:48The British Raoul Roy Chowdhury
24:50is an expert in Pakistan.
24:55There are organizations like
24:57the Hizb ut-Tahrir
24:59that are active in the UK,
25:01but they are banned in Pakistan,
25:03in Bangladesh
25:05and other countries in South Asia.
25:09Every year,
25:11there are 1,400,000 movements
25:13of people between the UK
25:15and Pakistan,
25:17that is,
25:19members of the British-Pakistani community.
25:23In the UK,
25:25the possible radicalization
25:27of certain British-Pakistanis
25:29worries.
25:33We have evidence
25:35that among the inhabitants
25:37of the Islington district
25:39there are supporters of Al-Qaeda
25:41and the Taliban.
25:45In the 1980s,
25:47General Ghul,
25:49as head of the ISI,
25:51began to send radical students
25:53to destinations like this.
25:55Like any Muslim believer,
25:57they were expected to work
25:59for the intelligence agency
26:01and collect information
26:03about the atomic bomb.
26:05I have spoken to several followers
26:07of Ghul,
26:09but none has wanted
26:11to give their testimony
26:13to the camera.
26:17I think the Pakistani
26:19intelligence service,
26:21the ISI,
26:23has developed strong links
26:25with the Taliban
26:27and other groups
26:29associated with them
26:31during the period
26:33when the Mujahideen
26:35and the Soviets
26:37were in Afghanistan.
26:39When the Soviets withdrew,
26:41or rather,
26:43they were forced to do so,
26:45elements that invited
26:47to maintain those links
26:49remained.
26:51General Hamid Ghul
26:53was the general director
26:55of the ISI
26:57during much of the Soviet occupation
26:59of Afghanistan
27:01and played a crucial role
27:03in coordinating the Mujahideen
27:05to repel the Soviet occupation.
27:15Suddenly I receive a call
27:17from the ISI.
27:19It is Colonel Shah.
27:21He promises to give me
27:23an interview with General Ghul.
27:29So we return to Islamabad.
27:35We are in the Red Neighborhood,
27:37a neighborhood of Islamabad
27:39controlled by the army
27:41and by the intelligence agency.
27:43Here the officers of the army
27:45are neighbors of agents
27:47of the intelligence,
27:49but also of radical Islamic leaders.
27:57This time we meet
27:59Colonel Shah in his house.
28:07He is a lover of weapons,
28:09so I pretend to be him
28:11to gain his trust.
28:15Colonel Shah enjoys
28:17the full confidence
28:19of the intelligence agency.
28:21In addition, all his children
28:23are officers.
28:27In me he sees
28:29a Muslim brother.
28:31He even trusts me
28:33secret information of the army
28:35because he wants everything
28:37to be very clear to me.
28:39Here you can see several graphs.
28:41The circles above,
28:43the green ones,
28:45correspond to the coalition,
28:47the army of the United States
28:49and NATO.
28:55His computer is smaller.
28:59And then we see
29:01the whole family.
29:03There is no way
29:05to give a corner to the ISI.
29:07Now we must follow
29:09the instructions
29:11of the intelligence agency.
29:13We begin to doubt
29:15if we are getting too involved.
29:17There is something else
29:19that prevents me from leaving.
29:21I think of the comrades
29:23who were captured
29:25by the ISI.
29:27I think of the comrades
29:29who were captured
29:31by the ISI.
29:33I think of the comrades
29:35who were captured
29:37by the ISI.
29:39I think of the comrades
29:41who were captured
29:43by the ISI three years ago.
29:45I think of the comrades
29:47who were cut off
29:49in front of the cameras.
29:51To scare me,
29:53they send me the videos
29:55of the massacre.
29:57We have pixelated the images.
29:59They are too creepy.
30:03Sano has appeared.
30:05In his place,
30:07Erfan does it.
30:09He makes it clear
30:11who is in charge.
30:13We can only film
30:15when he allows us.
30:17Our main problem
30:19is not the numerous
30:21border controls.
30:23The problem is called
30:25Erfan.
30:35While I try to convince
30:37the police,
30:39Erfan makes sure
30:41that the equipment
30:43does not record anything
30:45that is not allowed.
30:47As soon as Erfan realizes
30:49that my camera is recording
30:51something without his permission,
30:53he interrupts it,
30:55sometimes very abruptly.
31:07Today the general
31:09will stay in this house.
31:11It is only 35 km
31:13from Bin Laden's hideout.
31:15At that time,
31:17Bin Laden was still alive.
31:37This man
31:39is a Pakistani officer.
31:41He tells us that he has just
31:43returned from the south of Afghanistan.
31:45And this other Pakistani
31:47officer has also returned
31:49from Pakistan,
31:51but from the north.
31:53Pakistani officers
31:55also participate in the war
31:57in the neighboring country,
31:59Afghanistan.
32:03Then Abdul Akul arrives,
32:05one of the sons of the general.
32:07I do not hear any mail from him
32:09or any meeting with you,
32:11he says.
32:13But if he has answered me,
32:15does that mean that someone
32:17has done it in his name?
32:19Maybe the intelligence agency?
32:21Or is Abdul Akul lying?
32:35I have met many
32:37terrorist leaders,
32:39dictators and mafia bosses.
32:41They are all cut
32:43by the same pattern.
32:45They are polite and kind,
32:47and yet horror and death
32:49are part of their lives.
33:05Hello, how are you?
33:07You can sit down.
33:17If you want to change something,
33:19you just have to say it.
33:21It's okay like this.
33:23When you feel like it,
33:25we can start.
33:27I have a question.
33:29What is your name?
33:31What is your name?
33:33We can start.
33:35When you say.
33:37Are you ready?
33:39It was an honor for them
34:01to come here
34:03and talk to me.
34:05Dick Cheney came
34:07and we were talking.
34:09He thanked me
34:11for having interviewed me with him.
34:13The aid from the United States
34:15began to arrive
34:17after the visit of the
34:19cartel security advisor,
34:21Mr. Brzezinski.
34:23He came and then left for Heiber.
34:25He left a mark here
34:27because he made a shot
34:29and did not control the gun well.
34:31The image of Brzezinski
34:33on the Afghan border
34:35symbolizes a war
34:37that, like that weapon,
34:39has gone out of hand.
34:41A war in which
34:43BULL plays a main role
34:45then and now.
34:57All I had in my head
34:59was the victory.
35:01We had to win.
35:03So my favorite
35:05would be the one who got it.
35:13Everyone went to General Bull,
35:15the godfather,
35:17in search of advice.
35:19When we heard the news,
35:21all the Mujahideen commanders
35:23were having dinner at my house.
35:25We all found out at the same time.
35:29It refers to the news
35:31of the victory in the fight
35:33against communism.
35:41He wants to teach me something,
35:43but he does not allow us
35:45to record it.
35:47He starts by reminding me
35:49of the withdrawal of the Red Army
35:51from its positions in Afghanistan
35:53in 1989.
35:55And it continues with the fall
35:57of the Berlin Wall.
35:59I received a package
36:01through the ISI.
36:03It was a huge stone
36:05from the Berlin Wall,
36:07a piece of the Berlin Wall.
36:09It came with a document
36:11and sent it to the BND.
36:13The BND sent it
36:15to the Red Army.
36:17The BND sent it
36:19to the Red Army.
36:21The BND sent it
36:23to the Red Army.
36:25The BND sent it
36:27to the Red Army.
36:29I received a recognition
36:31of my services.
36:33The fall of the Berlin Wall
36:35was partly possible
36:37thanks to our effort.
36:39I remember the document
36:41I saw in London,
36:43supposedly from the Federal
36:45Intelligence Service of Germany,
36:47the BND.
36:49This will not be recorded,
36:51it will only be a minute.
36:53I'll let you see it.
36:57It's a document...
36:59It's a document
37:01addressed to General Gould.
37:07In the end, we were able
37:09to access that document
37:11through another way.
37:17The document contains
37:19a dedication to Gould,
37:21with our deepest respect
37:23for General Gould,
37:25the BND.
37:27I don't think now
37:29they would give me a visa
37:31to enter Germany,
37:33the man responsible
37:35for the fall of the Berlin Wall.
37:39But he can visit
37:41the Taliban on a daily basis,
37:43just like before.
37:45And there he is venerated
37:47as the strategist of the Holy War,
37:49just like before.
37:52Once you have created
37:54a religious extremist movement,
37:56it's impossible to control it.
37:58It can grow up
38:00by its own means,
38:02become independent,
38:04and become dangerous.
38:07The border area
38:09between Pakistan and Afghanistan
38:11is the size of Germany.
38:13It is the largest
38:15war scenario in the world
38:17in the last 30 years.
38:21Here, the holy warriors
38:23make their own weapons
38:25from the remains of previous wars.
38:34The CIA claimed that Afghanistan
38:36was a closed chapter.
38:38But for Pakistan,
38:40it was not a closed chapter,
38:42but a struggle for life or death
38:44for our own survival,
38:46and that of the Afghan nation,
38:48our sister nation.
38:51We did not pay attention
38:53to these warriors until September 11,
38:55when we faced them.
39:02For us, they were the cowboys
39:04in the fight against communism,
39:06until a radical change occurred.
39:16And the commanders who obeyed
39:18the orders of General Ghul
39:20continue to collaborate.
39:24Gulbuddin Hekmatyar,
39:26leader of a terrorist group.
39:28Elmullah Omar,
39:30head of the Afghan Taliban.
39:32Osama Bin Laden.
39:36Malawi Haqqani,
39:38leader of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
39:42Everything indicates that General Ghul
39:44feels especially close
39:46to the Taliban.
39:50Since then,
39:52the influence of General Ghul
39:54on the Taliban
39:56was crucial.
40:00In August 2001,
40:02he was invited by the Taliban
40:04to Afghanistan,
40:06and since then he has
40:08very close ties
40:10with the Taliban.
40:13Thanks to Ghul
40:15and many other Islamic officials,
40:17the Pakistani army
40:19has become an Islamic army.
40:28Pakistani soldiers
40:30sing the same songs
40:32as the Taliban.
40:36Meanwhile,
40:38many Islamic militants
40:40are in total tranquility
40:42in the army units.
40:44Thanks to the help of the West,
40:46they are well equipped.
40:48We have F-16 combat aircraft,
40:50Cobra helicopters,
40:52we have Augusta-class submarines,
40:54they are well equipped,
40:56and we are developing
40:58a nuclear program,
41:00so we have advanced a lot.
41:02It was a very smart strategy.
41:10The West could become
41:12the future victim
41:14of the weapons
41:16it generously provided.
41:40With our help,
41:42Pakistan has become
41:44a nuclear power.
41:46And all while Ghul
41:48was still the head
41:50of the ISI.
41:58The weapons bazaar
42:00of atomic technology
42:02that Pakistan treasures
42:04is no secret.
42:06There is a lot of documentation
42:08about it.
42:14There is an international
42:16black market.
42:18You see,
42:20they buy parts
42:22that are then used
42:24in atomic technology,
42:26and Pakistan
42:28is a guarantee.
42:30We have our own security system
42:32in our weapons bazaar,
42:34so the chances
42:36of getting into the hands
42:38of the terrorists
42:40is less.
43:07Some of these scientists
43:09also support Al-Qaeda.
43:15There were rumors
43:17that two or three
43:19Pakistani scientists
43:21had disappeared,
43:23and everyone believed
43:25that Al-Qaeda
43:27had something to do with it.
43:29The three workers
43:31who had a lot of experience
43:33in nuclear facilities
43:35had met with Osama bin Laden
43:37before September 11.
43:39That showed
43:41the great interest
43:43that Al-Qaeda had
43:45in nuclear issues.
43:47Ghul and the nuclear facilities
43:49are located
43:51on one side of the mountain,
43:53and bin Laden's house
43:55on the other.
44:05General Ghul and bin Laden
44:07used to meet often,
44:09sometimes in official meetings.
44:15Ghul says it openly.
44:19An Islamic conference
44:21had been organized,
44:23and I was there
44:25with many Mujahideen.
44:27We were all invited
44:29to a big banquet
44:31at his house.
44:34Is it possible that Ghul
44:36had nothing to do
44:38with the September 11 attacks?
44:40According to the BND,
44:42just before that day,
44:44he was one of the guests
44:46of honor of the Taliban
44:48in Kabul.
45:00We have been at war
45:02with Afghanistan.
45:04But Ghul and other figures
45:06around him are still active.
45:08The US government
45:10knows Ghul very well,
45:12and has included him
45:14in its list of most dangerous terrorists.
45:18In the 92,000 documents
45:20that Wikileaks contains
45:22about Afghanistan,
45:24the name of General Ghul
45:26appears on several occasions.
45:28General Ghul has coordinated
45:30the kidnapping of workers
45:32of the United Nations
45:34on Highway 1,
45:36which connects Kabul and Jalalabad.
45:38And later on,
45:4065 ammunition trucks,
45:421,000 motorcycles,
45:447,000 Kalashnikovs, mortars
45:46and mobile rockets.
45:48In another document,
45:50the following is collected.
45:52General Ghul meets
45:54with Afghan Taliban commanders
45:56and alleged representatives
45:58of the Taliban.
46:28The 80% of military supplies
46:30from NATO to Afghanistan
46:32cross Pakistan.
46:58We ask a group
47:00of truck drivers
47:02if they know
47:04who is behind all this.
47:10They reveal to us
47:12that they often transport
47:14weapons for the Taliban.
47:16It is the only way
47:18to pass without problems.
47:20They don't tell us anything else.
47:28Maybe the police
47:30can tell us
47:32who is responsible
47:34for the attacks on the trucks.
47:36They are kind and concerned
47:38about our safety,
47:40because anything can happen
47:42at any moment.
47:52The NATO supply trucks
47:54are subject to attacks
47:56in Pakistan.
47:58The NATO will fall apart
48:00because it is not doing
48:02what it should.
48:04We, the people of Pakistan,
48:06will control the supply routes
48:08and we will finish them completely.
48:10And then we will see
48:12how they continue to fight in Afghanistan.
48:14Afghanistan will be free.
48:16The Saria will arrive,
48:18and Pakistan, out of sympathy,
48:20will also adopt the Saria.
48:26There is something wrong here.
48:28We have the feeling
48:30that something is happening here.
48:40And this is not
48:42the end of the story.
48:44Islamabad is submerged
48:46in a deceiving silence.
48:52We are at the end of April 2011.
48:54It is our last day in Pakistan.
48:56After all we have learned,
48:58we trust that Gul will be arrested
49:00and that he will be released
49:02from the prison.
49:04We are in the middle of the night.
49:06We are in the middle of the night.
49:08We are in the middle of the night.
49:10We are in the middle of the night.
49:12We are in the middle of the night.
49:14We are in the middle of the night.
49:16We are in the middle of the night.
49:18We are in the middle of the night.
49:20We are in the middle of the night.
49:22We are in the middle of the night.
49:24We are in the middle of the night.
49:26We are in the middle of the night.
49:28We are in the middle of the night.
49:30We are in the middle of the night.
49:32We are in the middle of the night.
49:34We are in the middle of the night.
49:36We are in the middle of the night.
49:38We are in the middle of the night.
49:40The United States has carried out an operation
49:42that killed Osama Bin Laden,
49:44leader of Al Qaeda,
49:46the terrorist responsible...
49:48of the death of thousands of men,
49:50women, children and young of people.
50:10The danger of the Islamists is not that they take over Pakistan, but that they are able
50:16to create such damage and destruction that it leads to a war that destroys much of the
50:21world.
50:22However, we do not take seriously the destructive power of the Gul.
50:31Here we have an Islamic state, and one day it will be seen.
50:35If problems continue to be given to Muslims from all over the world, it is clear that
50:39the conflict will grow, and that this could lead to a nuclear disaster.
50:44A nuclear disaster?
50:47Was the jubilee for the death of Bin Laden reckless and naive?
51:00After the mountains of Islamabad, a battle continues to be fought.