" Haftay Ko Ijlas Bula Rahay Hain, Is Ka Matlab Do Number Kar Rahay Hain.." Senetor Humayun Mohmand
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00:00It's been three and a half years since I've been in the Senate.
00:03This is probably the first time I've seen that the Senate is being called on a Saturday.
00:07It's also being called on a Sunday.
00:09So if they're doing it, it means they're going to do it in two numbers.
00:14It's a very important thing, so that's why they're doing it.
00:17What's important right now is that they have to bring in the judge that I've heard of.
00:24They're bringing in one of the two judges who wrote the dissenting note in the 8-5 decision.
00:40As a Chief Justice?
00:41Yes, as a Chief Justice.
00:42Is it the fifth number or which number?
00:44You don't know the name?
00:45We'll leave the name.
00:48You can tell by the numbers, two numbers, ten numbers, 420, you can tell what it is.
00:55So they're bringing it in that way.
00:58The interesting thing is that Maulana Fazl-e-Rehman, if you look at it in principle,
01:04in the long term, you choose one of the three, four or five judges whose credentials you have.
01:10So if we talk about marriage, the puny judge, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
01:17Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is the only jurist in Pakistan who is of an international level.
01:25Who is called by the world, who is listened to by the world, who is judged by the world.
01:35So if we talk about marriage, who is the best in marriage, who has the best decisions,
01:43Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is the best.
01:47This is a personal question.
01:50My question is, is this a procedural issue?
01:53Do you think that if one of the five judges is chosen as a Chief Justice,
01:57if we leave the personal issue, you have no objection to procedural issues,
02:02that if one of the five is chosen, what's the harm?
02:04We are stuck on the personal issue, I am not going to ask you.
02:06You are absolutely right.
02:08The problem is that the problem is of personality right now.
02:12The problem is, let's say a person has stolen your wallet,
02:20but he thought that you don't have a mobile phone, you have a mobile phone.
02:23Now he is trying to steal your mobile phone.
02:26He lost in the election, so Form 47 took over.
02:32Now he has a problem with the reserve seats.
02:37He tried to steal it, so the Supreme Court said no.
02:41The decision taken by the Election Commission on 13 January was a wrong interpretation.
02:48This is what the person who made the decision said.
02:51On that basis, when he was declared a criminal, he was set aside,
02:55then you will leave before 13 January.
02:57Now we will leave before the election.
02:59The process before the election,
03:01in which a person goes through a process,
03:04it is a 15-day process.
03:06This is Election Act 57,
03:08in which you don't get a symbol from the nomination.
03:12This is a 15-day process.
03:14In my opinion, I don't know,
03:16but in my opinion, the 8 judges of the Supreme Court,
03:20on that basis, gave those 15 days.
03:22Okay, that's fine, I understand that.
03:24Now, we have talked about the dimensions of that bill,
03:27but we have to bring that bill and get it passed,
03:29regarding the number game.
03:30Mr. Maulana seems to be on board with some of his proposals,
03:33the way of appointing judges,
03:36he is in agreement with them.
03:37So, Mr. Maulana's tone seems to be that he is in agreement with them.
03:41Most probably, he will give the vote.
03:43I will tell you a simple thing.
03:45JUI, in the Senate, they are the key.
03:51Okay, and what do you feel from their mood,
03:54from their speeches,
03:56from what Mr. Maulana is saying today?
03:57In their 3-4 different programs,
04:00their representatives,
04:02in one program, there is Mr. Kamran Murtaza,
04:05in another program, there is Mr. Hamdullah,
04:06he was here a while ago,
04:08and then, the speech that Mr. Maulana Fazlur Rahman gave,
04:12if I look at those things,
04:14I don't think,
04:16look, Mr. Hamdullah has clearly said that
04:19in any way, going somewhere with the government,
04:23in any place,
04:25giving a vote in any bill,
04:27he has said that it is a suicide for us.
04:30But Mr. Maulana is on top of the play team.
04:33Let me hear what Mr. Maulana is saying.
04:35I know, he has said today,
04:37I am telling you roughly,
04:39he is one of the senior people,
04:41and I am sure, Mr. Maulana has also said this,
04:43Mr. Maulana has said this,
04:45that in principle,
04:47he has said that these things are right,
04:49it is possible that we agree with them.
04:51But you know,
04:53you know,
04:55that we have just started doing this,
04:57and we have come with a rule,
04:59and you are changing that rule.
05:01There is no problem in changing that rule.
05:03In principle, there is no problem.
05:05That is why I am talking about the number game.
05:07But what is being done is wrong.
05:09In that sense, in the number game,
05:11in the National Assembly,
05:13if they bring anyone,
05:15there is one person who may have never
05:17collected his affidavit,
05:19but all the others,
05:21according to the judgment of the Supreme Court,
05:23he is not free.
05:25The Election Commission has again
05:27kept him free by misinterpreting.
05:29So what will you do?
05:31If they vote tomorrow,
05:33will you challenge them?
05:35If they vote, we will challenge them.
05:37The Supreme Court says that yes,
05:39they have done wrong,
05:41under Article 63A,
05:43they will all be finished.
05:45As it is, the votes they have given,
05:47against Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
05:49they will all be finished.
05:51So they can do whatever they want,
05:53they can take the money and finish it.
05:55But the Tariq-e-Insaf will be achieved immediately.
05:57If the Supreme Court has said
05:59that this is wrong,
06:01then that thing will be reversed.
06:03And a decision will be made soon.