Statements made by Jorge Rodríguez during the World Congress against Fascism currently underway in Venezuela. teleSUR
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00:00Let's go live to Caracas, Venezuela, where the President of the National Assembly, Jorge
00:06Rodríguez, is offering statements in the framework of the World Antifascist Congress
00:10being held from September 10th to 11th in the country.
00:14Let's listen.
00:16... that recommend me books, and also about things I like the most.
00:24It is to recommend to the people that unify us.
00:33And I believe it's very important to propose to you this novel of Fabiano Masilvi, the
00:40angel of Munich, that tells in a detective way all that is surrounding the murder of
00:52Denise and lover of Adolf Hitler.
00:55But it represents perfectly that Germany pre-fascism.
01:02And although I haven't read it, I invite you to look for this book that I'm going to
01:10show you right now, Instructions to Become a Fascist, by Michela Burgia.
01:17And I propose you to read this together.
01:23This is a way to express our affection, our solidarity, and receive throughout HAWC the
01:37warmest welcome to this homeland of the liberator, small believer, and the homeland of our commander
01:46Hugo Chávez.
01:52Rander surprised me with this title of conference about psychological war.
02:00It must be that I'm a psychiatrist, and Venezuela has been in a war permanent against the imperialism.
02:10What I want to share with you today is denominated fascism and silent spiral.
02:16Why?
02:18First of all, I think that we must, before getting into some psychological issues, since
02:30the area of mental health and elements of neo-fascism and cyber-fascism and the use
02:39of social media to spread hate, we need to start from the truth of HAWC.
02:46First, fascism is nothing else but a political expression of a crisis in capitalism, an economic
02:54cause when elites seem to be at risk in front of the emergence of social movements that
03:03fight inequity situations and economic crises.
03:08Fascism emerged as the last resource used by all hierarchies of these countries.
03:15This is something that should have been called deceitment.
03:19Second, as Arthur Miller said, after the Second World War, all of the governments of extreme
03:29right and with neo-fascism issues have counted on the support of the North American governments
03:44of the United States.
03:46Not a single one hasn't been encouraged by the governments of the United States.
03:59This is the reason why in the United States there is no acute attack, because there is
04:05no embassy of the United States in this country.
04:09Although the political scenario could suggest this due to the crises that have been taking
04:16place there, due to the hatred that social media spread, it could be easy to identify
04:25fascism these days if fascism had the communicational approaches that it had during the 1940s.
04:39Look what the extreme right of Spain expressed.
04:45I will save Spain from Marxism no matter what it takes.
04:50I wouldn't care about killing half of Spain.
04:54That is the price to pay to pacify Francisco Franco.
04:59I don't understand why they didn't give him the Nobel Prize of Peace if they gave it to Barack Obama.
05:08But what he was given was North American base in Spanish territory and was endemned with
05:21This way it was easy to identify fascism because it was not only the product of a specific
05:27situation economically and socially in the post-war Europe, but also comes from a psychological
05:40mechanism, a mass psychological mechanism.
05:43I don't know if you know this.
05:45This is the first article in which Sigmund Freud starts to work, an element that simply
05:53surprised him in his first works.
05:59In 1907, Freud started to work in the definition of what after we knew of the psychic apparatus
06:11that an interchange of psychological forces that determine personality.
06:17And Freud pointed out that the human being was determined by just a main principle, the
06:26principle of pleasure.
06:27And he was not only talking about the erotic element, but the look for satisfaction of
06:34the needs, no matter where they were, laugh if your mother comes, eat if you're hungry,
06:44go to these places that don't make you feel uncomfortable.
06:51And during the two first decades of the 20th century, Freud was defending that all human
06:59beings were commanded by the principle of pleasure.
07:03But after the First World War and the emergence of a new way of addressing politics, the fascist
07:14movements in Germany and west of Europe, and also in Italy and Spain, so that Freud would
07:22say not only there has to be in a human being the principle of pleasure, but also other
07:31principles, equally powerful, constantly against the pleasure principle, which was
07:41called principle of destruction or death.
07:44And this is the picture of the original article by Freud in 1921.
07:49And from 1921 to 1925, Freud was pointing out that the human being also has a principle
07:57of self-destruction and destructions, and there come wars, aggressions, and homicides.
08:05Pay attention to this, because from the principle of destruction that all human beings have,
08:12Freud points out that if this principle is liberated from a social point of view, movements
08:20against the preservation of the human being can arise.
08:25How many millions of deaths caused the invasions of the army of the United States in the whole
08:34planet, and the civil war of Spain, which was a war determinated by the fascism at that
08:44And pay attention to the principle of destruction, because since it's a powerful mental mechanism,
08:51it's what the owners of the war resource to.
08:56They are the owners of the social media, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk, and
09:02we're fighting the three of them in the homeland of Bolivar and Chavez.
09:14They use precisely this emergence of the principle of destruction through handling, particularly
09:24their social media, so that men become wolves, men for destruction and women for hatred,
09:38lies, lack of compassion, lack of solidarity.
09:44That's the main element they use, and causes that people behave as zombies.
09:53And, for example, the neighbor that you have known for years for these actions of the social
10:02media becomes an enemy to destroy.
10:04Of course, fascism has psychological elements that are very important.
10:09I know that you have just had lunch, so I'm not going to get into Honduras to talk about
10:16these psychological elements that encompass the fascist ideology.
10:23There's another fundamental element that goes beyond the economic issue.
10:29It's the fascism resources to mental control mechanism, which is propaganda that has always been used.
10:40First, the first element is that all human beings have inside instances that are far
10:50away of this part of the brain that I have exposed, because I'm bold, which is the neocortex
10:58after this part of the head is the new neocortex, where emotions and love and rational thinking
11:13is put behind that.
11:18We have instances that are catalyzed by fascist ideology.
11:24Another element is fear and repression.
11:27There's always someone taking what's yours from you, although you don't have it.
11:32And that's a fundamental characteristic of the media, medium classes, which are always
11:41called for the power to defend what they don't have, but what they want to have in the case
11:48of Nazi Germany, Jewish and communists, in the case of Spain, communists, and in the
11:56case of the United States, also communists, Muslims, Latin Americans, all that is different
12:03from the white supremacy.
12:06Then, a mechanism of alienation and hierarchization.
12:11An element was identified through an entirely current of hierarchy.
12:20Another fundamental element of fascism emergence is that there's always a threat.
12:28At the beginnings of the Bolivarian Revolution, the sectors that rapidly emerged as fascist
12:35in the Chavez Venezuela, the revolutionary Venezuela, that came not to do other things
12:44but correct the inequity economically, socially, the Venezuela, the end of the 20th century.
12:55But what they say was mostly that Chavez is going to take your car, your house from you,
13:03but if you don't have a car, what car are they going to take from you?
13:08After they said Chavez is going to take your children from you, the threat that something
13:17that is coming is going to interrupt with your tranquility, and that is happening constantly.
13:26Of course, we are in a superior level of aggression against the Bolivarian Revolution, because
13:31now there's a real threat for humanity here, which is social media, a real danger for the
13:42existence of men and women as free human beings.
13:51What is being treated here is a threat for slavery in this topic, as presented in the
14:02novel Fahrenheit 451.
14:06In the case of the Bolivarian Revolution, not a single day has happened that these elements
14:14of extreme right and fascism have spread hate.
14:19Not only a single day, they have abandoned this tendency.
14:26And finally, they have been less successful in this.
14:29In the case of Venezuela, it's the construction of collective identities, all of this against
14:37In the case of Venezuela, the middle class, which was not favored by the Bolivarian Revolution
14:47and for Maduro, it's a class that has been protected for Maduro, since it's one of the
14:53main victims of the economic blockade and economic sanctions imposed by them.
15:00It's some kind of collective suicide.
15:06They applaud the things that hurt them.
15:09And this is applied through the principle of self-destruction described by Freud.
15:15This is a very famous picture that expressed the resistance.
15:24I think this happened in Hamburg, Germany.
15:28Hitler was inaugurating a port in Hamburg, and all of them were performing the Nazi greeting,
15:39but a man.
15:42But always that this happens, at least one that rises as voice against fascism, humanity
15:51has an opportunity.
15:52And that is why I feel so pleased that these important people gathered here to discuss
16:00about fascism.
16:02Now, what is the danger we're fighting in a moment like this we're living?
16:11The danger we're facing is that these three owners of social media that try to become
16:22the owners of the planet and the planet's economy, and we have to say it like this,
16:30Venezuela is today the center of the fight against fascism in the world.
16:37We didn't choose it and chose it.
16:41We didn't look for it.
16:53Well, this is a world congress against fascism in a similar expression.
16:58We will...
16:59We were alive to Caracas, Venezuela, where the president of the National Assembly, Jorge
17:04Rodríguez, offers statements in the framework of the World Antifascist Congress, which is
17:09being held from September 10th to 11th in the country.
17:12During his statements, Rodríguez welcomed all participants to the great homeland of
17:17Simón Bolívar and referred to the psychological war Venezuela has been subjected to in the
17:22past weeks.
17:23For the high official, fascism is a political expression of the crisis suffered by capitalism.
17:29Also, he recalled that after World War II, neofascism has been supported by the US and
17:35its western allies, and they are the main promoters of this archaic political current
17:40until today.
17:41Rodríguez also assured fascism is manifested today in social media and space that allows
17:46the spread of hatred with the complicity of western powers, who are the owners of the
17:51biggest technological and media emporiums.
17:54Fear and repression are two fundamental characteristics of the working class living under neofascism,
17:59a reality that Venezuela is fighting against for it never to settle in the country despite
18:05the ultra-right's attempts.
18:07Let's recall that in Venezuela, the World Antifascist Congress is being held from September
18:1210th to 11th, a conference that gathers more than 200 delegates from 95 countries around
18:18the world in support of the fight against imperialism, colonialism and fascism.
18:23This is all for the moment.
18:24Stay tuned.
18:25We're from the South.