NECA SAW Ultimate Jigsaw Figure Black Robe Version
NECA SAW Ultimate Jigsaw Figure Black Robe Version
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00:00A trap. John Kramer's got a rope for that. Here's a look at the neck of toys.
00:04This is the Saw Ultimate Jigsaw Black Rope version.
00:30In the Saw movies, the jigsaw killer abducts the morally wayward in a twisted attempt to teach his victims the value of life.
00:37Once captured, his victims must face impossible choices in a horrific game of survival, as he communicates with them through an eerie puppet.
00:44This 7-inch saw action figure in the black rope gets the ultimate treatment, with a fully articulated body under a wire fabric robe.
00:50Accessories include interchangeable heads and hands, pig mask head, puzzle head trap, tape recorder, extended blade, and Billy the puppet with trike.
00:58Very lucky for you that the only thing you have to shed to get your hands on this guy is a few extra dollars.
01:02The John Kramer though from the Jigsaw films is available right now in the black robe, either in retail stores or online.
01:09I'd like to thank the folks over at NECA that provided the sample we could have a look at.
01:12This is though using the same body and the same head sculpts, really as well the same accessories, as the red robe John Kramer that we've already looked at.
01:19The figure, because of that, is going to stand the same at 7 inches in height, or about 18 centimeters tall.
01:24Just when you think you've seen the end of Saw, you realize another one's getting made.
01:28Somewhat similar logic can also be applied when it comes to what we're getting here from NECA toys, and by no means is that a bad thing at all.
01:34Having already looked at the red robe version, you can see essentially it's just a color swap of robe colors.
01:39Before it was the red, now I feel it's more familiar of the colors with the black and the red accents.
01:44When I think of John Kramer, specifically wearing this robe, this is the color scheme I tend to think of, not necessarily the red.
01:49I think of the red, I tend to think of the accomplices that come in the later sequels,
01:53but I think the black and red robe look the best for this mold.
01:56We did also, if you travel back into your time machine by several years, several years, we did
02:01also as well get some cult classic releases of these guys. There was a black robe, there was a red robe,
02:06there was two versions that had a pig mask, then there were two versions, one that had a bald John
02:10Kramer head portrait, and then one that had the hair. Ironically enough though, as we did discuss
02:14in the review of this guy here, the head sculpts that they are using for the newer releases seem
02:18to be cast on the same tooling as the original ones from the cult classic days. If you're in the
02:23know when it comes to the accessories that came in clue with the red robe, then you'll be also
02:26equally in the know when it comes to the things that come in clue with the black robe. They're
02:30essentially the exact same accessories, which is a bit of a bummer because really to push the idea
02:34of getting more than just the one, it would be nice if they had thrown in unique accessories for
02:39specific figure releases. We'll talk again more about that more in a moment. First, the figure
02:43does come in clue with Billy the Puppet. Now I've already taken the liberty of adding Billy on top
02:47of his tricycle. It's just really a simple case of removing the hands. I should have really worked
02:52this in reverse. You get yourself essentially a tricycle. The tricycle does rotate. Like though
02:57before, I had a problem with the pedals. They wouldn't be out. I couldn't actually get them to
03:00rotate. You can see that there's, if you can see it right there, there's pegs just on the top that
03:04for all intents and purposes, it should then plug onto the bottom of Billy's boots. Unfortunately
03:09though, with the red robe, I couldn't get these pedals to turn. The black robes though turn
03:13perfectly fine. You really don't even need these pegs at all. Really, the only thing you need to
03:17really do is take Billy's hands and grasp them around his handlebars. And that's more than
03:22enough just to get the figure to stand in it. Now, if you're looking at the figure, speaking of
03:26standing, he actually can't really stand on his own because it's really this one leg right here.
03:30This leg, you could buy into the idea that if you have yourself like a display stand,
03:34I guess if you want to look like he's kind of walking, you could probably do that as well,
03:38but because they don't actually include a secondary stand for this guy just to be on his own,
03:42there's no real way that this guy can balance on his own. There is some possibility, but I guess
03:46first before that, we can actually look at the head sculpt. It is really, by the way, no again,
03:50no different than the red robe version, so exact same Billy the Puppets. We've also as well
03:54established earlier that in fact, let me just move this guy out of the way, the Billy the Puppet that
04:00we did get from the cult classics days, which just happens to be this one right here, is the same one
04:04that we're getting now with the Ultimate Releases. The color of the mask is though brighter and
04:09whiter on the original release, which I may have even said when we did the review of the red robe,
04:13I actually like the white face a little bit more. I think it's a little bit more paler,
04:17and it works a little bit more accurately to look the way it did in the movie. These spirals is also
04:22something that you can see. It's much larger on the cult classics release than what we're getting
04:26here with the Ultimates. The bodies are going to be exactly the same because of that as well. The
04:30articulation is going to be the same as well. The head's going to rotate. You can bring these arms
04:34out, which again, to look at this from thinking like from the days of cult classics, it was a
04:39pretty impressive to think that an accessory like Billy the Puppet would have had the articulation
04:43that he did way back when. The arms do again move forward and back. You can bring them out. You can
04:47rotate the hands. You can move the legs forward and back this way as well, and there also seems to
04:52be some foot articulation too, but if you didn't want to give it on his tricycle, all you really
04:56have to do is just get him seated. First of all, turn his hands around, so you want to make sure
05:00you line them up to the handlebars. Then just slide his hands into the grip. I realized I got
05:05a piece of tape on my thumb. Thank you for somebody pointing that out. Slide this on the handlebars,
05:10and that's all you really need to do for Billy the Puppet. He has wheels that rotate on the back,
05:14and he's got a wheel that rotates on the front. He's easy to roll in and out of rooms. Just grab
05:20that piece of tape. It must have been really when I was grabbing all the accessories. I just realized
05:26now I had a little bit of tape on my thumb. Thank you for those that were spotting that.
05:29The other thing that the figure comes also included with is the reverse bear trap.
05:34First of all, obviously it's the same bear trap as we did get from before.
05:38Here's where I feel like they could have mixed things up just a little bit. If you want to stick
05:41with the idea of using a head trap, maybe using the Venus Fly Trap from Saw 2 would have been an
05:47ideal swap out for what we're getting here. Again, we only have two jigsaws so far. To have two
05:54different head traps would have been an ideal way to make a collector go out of the way. If they
05:59already collected the one figure, then they could be more interested, nudged in the right direction
06:03to get a second saw. You're probably not going to be using both jigsaw reverse bear traps with
06:10your figures. You may use maybe one, but the likelihood that you're going to use and display
06:15with both is probably very slim. The only other thing I would have also said too, and going back
06:20to hear Billy the Puppet, because we already did get technically a Billy already with a red robe,
06:25I think what they could have done, and this is only my own personal opinion, obviously you're
06:28not going to have probably two Billy the Puppets displayed on the shelf with two John Kramers. You
06:33really only need one Billy. I was thinking, what if they had taken the TV set from, it's been used
06:38lots of times, the NECA toys, Ninja Turtles accessory set had this, more specifically the
06:42Nightmare on Elm Street box set that had Freddy Krueger coming out the top of the TV from Nightmare
06:473. If you had used that TV set and put a lenticular sticker on the front, you could have put like the
06:53Billy the Puppet, where if you moved it the right way, it would look like Billy's mouth was moving.
06:58From a tooling standpoint, they already have the mold. It's not like they would have to have molded
07:02anything from scratch. And again, like if they had released say the Billy the Puppet with the black
07:06robe, they could have released the TV set Billy with maybe the red robe. Just some ideas I'm
07:11throwing out there. Other things that the figure also comes included with is the tape deck. Now
07:16it's the exact same tape recorder as the original one. The tapes are exactly the same. There's
07:20nothing at all different from one to the other. Exactly the same. The figure also comes included with the
07:25same sleeve blade too, which again looking at this one, yes maybe they probably could have made one
07:31bloodier and kept the other one clean. So of course if you wanted to mix and match them, if you have
07:35both of them, you could decide which blade you want to use with the sleeve of John's. But yeah, you get
07:40essentially the exact same blade. Hands are also something that's going to also be shared too. Let
07:45me just move this Billy out of the way. We don't need to have two Billies in the view here.
07:49You get two closed gripped hands, two fists as some would say. And again these just swap out with
07:54the hands that he has right now. And then he also has a gripping hand. The gripping hand is then
07:58suitable for holding the tape recorder. And it's not going to go anywhere either. I mean it would
08:03survive the blizzard test. It's not going anywhere. And again that could be swapped out
08:07with the hands that he has right now. So those are all the other things outside of really then
08:11swappable heads. The heads that he has are the pig mask, which again is the pig mask that we already
08:17got before. Long-term plans, if anybody is at all interested, what I really am planning to do is have
08:23the Red Robe version of the Jigsaw Killer wearing this pig mask. And then the one that we're
08:28looking at right here is either probably going to be having the bald portrait or the one that has
08:32the hair. I don't feel the need that I have to have two displayed the exact same way. So one pig mask
08:37is probably going to go back in the packaging. It is going to go back in the packaging. And then
08:40probably this one's going to go on the Red Robe. Don't drop this, whatever you do.
08:45I think we also talked a little bit about this also when we looked at the cult classics.
08:49I did want to show you that it seems to be that they are using the same molds again.
08:52Not a bad thing at all because the head sculpt from before, like the pig mask, was fine. It didn't
08:56necessarily... I'm not looking at this and thinking, well it needs an update. They need to course
09:00correct this and make this a little bit more accurate to the movie. I mean it looked just as
09:03good to the movie back then too, that they have used the mold again. And we're just getting it
09:07with this release. Then of course you get yourself the bald version of John Kramer.
09:12I guess we see him in Saw 2. We've got the little chin beard going on there as well.
09:17Is that a Van Dyke? Somebody can tell me down below in the comments section.
09:20Very pale in complexion. It certainly does have a very strong likeness to the actor.
09:26And again, if you want to swap the head sculpts, all of this is just
09:29so easily accomplished by holding on to the head. Holding on the torso, I should say.
09:32Pulling off the head and then just using the head that you want to then use. I guess it could
09:37use one of the... maybe use this head with the red robe. No, I'm going to probably stick with
09:43the pig mask. I'll show you guys the differences between the two. The faces are almost identical
09:48other than the Van Dyke. Is that what it's called? A Van Dyke down below their chin beard.
09:52And then this one just has the longer hair. I do kind of wish, in a way, we could get an
09:56updated version of this where we would have had like an older version of John. And then we could
10:00have had like the the beard, a little stubble though on his face. The thing that's cool though
10:05about this figure is even though really he is using the same body as the red robe, the one thing
10:09that the red robe couldn't do, that the black robe can, is that you can actually take the robe
10:14completely off. You really could though with this one too. The thing about it though is when you...
10:18these are all velcroed by the way. You should open this up and you could pull these down.
10:22The problem with it though is in order for him to have black sleeves, he has to have that entire
10:26black arms. And it's not really obviously going to work then with the red torso. However though,
10:31that's only the red robe version. If you look at the black robe, and first of all the black
10:35robe obviously does have a hood. So if you want to put the hood over top of his head too, you can do
10:38that. There is a wire that's built around the outer area of the hood. There is also a wire that's
10:45built around the bottom of the of this of the cloak too. And also really along the section here
10:49too. So if you want to have a little bit more of a dynamic pose, you can kind of bring the
10:53I don't know, the robe up like this if you want. Like I said, I don't know, like a gush of wind is
10:57blowing it up for example. But what you could really do too is that you could take the robe
11:01off completely. Now this isn't an idea that I have long term because I think underneath it's pretty
11:07it's pretty bare, pretty bare. But if you want to take this off, you could really remove the robe
11:12altogether. Slide it off his arms. These don't seem adhered at all. I mean obviously as you're
11:17seeing here, you can easily just pull these down his arms. The only thing you have to kind of worry
11:21about is sometimes the fabric gets hung up around the elbows. But again you just want to keep
11:27continuing to pull this off. And if you wanted to, I mean, I mean now you've got basically just
11:32a black robe you're not gonna be doing anything with. But at least though underneath, you've got
11:35yourself just a regular base body. So if you want to have this displayed, I mean John's not always
11:39going to be walking around in a robe. That's especially if he's outside talking to people
11:44in the real world. But if you wanted to, I suppose yeah, you could just take the robe off completely.
11:48It also gives me as well a chance to show you guys what the body looks like underneath.
11:51Again, like all the articulation is there. Although the hard thing with really black robe
11:55characters, really anything that has fabric over top of it, is that you never really quite know
11:59where the articulation bends. Especially in the elbows. Let's get his hands though back in place.
12:05And we'll get the other one here also in. Okay, so for this guy's articulation, I know I again,
12:10I mean really I've removed really all the fun aspects of this character by taking off the black
12:14robe. But at least again, it's more to show you that if you wanted to, the black robe at least
12:18gives you the option of if you want to have this guy displayed without the robe, you can do that.
12:22Now for the figure's articulation, it's going to be the exact same as the red robe. The head's
12:25going to be on a ball joint, so it allows the head to rotate all the way around. The head can look
12:29down, look up, really high up, and you can also move it back and forth as well. Now it does also
12:35seem to like he's got something going on in his neck, so you can rotate his neck also there as
12:39well. For shoulders, they were a little on the tight side. They still continue to be a little
12:43on the tight side, but you can bring them out at around 45 degrees. You can take the arms and
12:47rotate them all the way around. Now speaking a little bit about tight joints, this joint here is
12:52really tight, and it still continues to be tight to the point where I feel like I don't want to
12:55force this. But I can at least show you on this side that the figure does in fact have a double
12:59hinge on the elbow. I'm probably going to have to go back and heat this up either in hot water or
13:03just maybe even just with a hairdryer just to see if I can soften up that joint just a little bit,
13:06because the last thing I really want to do, especially underneath the guise of a robe,
13:11I don't want to start to force something that doesn't that should really never be forced in
13:14the first place. But yeah, just heat this up. Don't force it whatever you do, because you're
13:18only going to be upset that you broke your figure. Hands rotate though all the way around. You can
13:22also hinge them back and forth. The figure has an upper torso ball joint. The figure does have a
13:26lower torso ball joint. The legs do split. You can take a move forward and move them back. There's a
13:31swivel at the top of the thigh. Single hinge only in the knee. You can rotate the lower leg. There's
13:36a hinge back and forth, and you can also rock these back and forth this way as well. I'm not
13:39really sure really what else you could do with this body, because I'm kind of just thinking outside
13:42the box or outside the mold. Could you probably use this body for something else? An all-black
13:47body? Maybe. Maybe you could. But I mean, at least for right now, if you want to have this displayed,
13:52could really also get yourself a couple of just regular human hands. Maybe pull it from Jason
13:56Voorhees or Michael Myers. You probably just swap them out with these, so he doesn't have to have
14:00like black all the way down to his gloves. But yeah, there's one option available then if you
14:04want to have this figure displayed that way too. At the end of it though, I mean for all the work
14:08and all the time I just spent taking the robe off, ultimately though I'm not going to have John
14:11Kramer displayed like this. While he is though in more casual clothing, it does seem a little
14:16though out of place that he doesn't have his trademark robe. And speaking again of trademark
14:21robes, bringing back in the red robe version of him, I just when I first looked at that figure
14:26and I still feel this way when looking at the red robe. When I tend to look at the red, I don't tend
14:30to think of John. I think of like all the accomplices that came afterwards. Amanda for example.
14:34The black robe is really the one that looks the most, I feel, like John. Because when I tend to
14:38think of him wearing the robe, it's always the black with the red trimming. And it does look, I feel,
14:42of the two figures, it looks better on this figure. Now again, when it comes down to the
14:46accessory count and the lay of the land and everything that we've got, considering really
14:50that you're getting two Johns, if you want to pick up both versions of the Jigsaw Killer,
14:54then essentially it is meaning that you're going to be getting duplicates of those accessories.
14:57Something though I did say earlier is one thing that I think NECA could have really done is then
15:01changed around some of those parts. Yes, to get like the Venus Flytrap, for example, it would
15:05have been a different molding here than the Reverse Bear Trap. But to throw that in there,
15:08for example, would have already been incentive to throw in like the TV with a lenticular sticker
15:13featuring Billy the Puppet on the front. But again, more incentive to get more collectors out
15:17there, maybe that were on the fence and only really interested to get one. It would then nudge
15:21them in the right direction to get both instead. Just finishing up my review now of the John
15:27Kramer black robe version, with honestly my least favorite of the three head sculpts.
15:31Of the ones that we get, we get the pig mask, we get the hair and hairless version of John,
15:35and three heads are all the same three heads we got from the cult classic days. Reusing molds is
15:40not necessarily a bad thing if the molds weren't outdated in the first place. And with the ones
15:44that we get here, I don't think at all they need to be updated. If NECA has plans down the road,
15:49and I hope that they do, to release another version of the Jigsaw Killer, I think if anything,
15:54they just need to add a little bit of stubble to the existing face that they have right now.
15:58The pig mask is going to go to the red robe. The haired version of John is going to go with
16:02the black robe, which then leaves behind my least favorite, the bald one. I was kind of thinking if I
16:06could customize a figure, and I'm not very good at customizing figures, but if you get one that has
16:10shorts and a t-shirt, you could probably use that bald portrait and recreate Escape John from the
16:16end of the first film. As an idea certainly thrown out there to NECA, if they want to get some more
16:20mileage out of their molds, because they've gotten quite a lot of mileage already from these molds,
16:24release an Escape John Kramer, all bloodied up from the end of the first Saw movie.
16:29Now when it comes to also this figure, if you want to, as I did show you this in this review,
16:34unlike though the red robe, you could technically take off the black robe and just have a regular
16:38black outfit, casually dressed John underneath. It's believable enough, until of course you can
16:43find probably a better body. I've seen some other examples out there where people were using bodies,
16:48I think one person did in fact use, was it the Blade Runner, Blade Runner 2049 Harrison Ford,
16:53they were using that body, and then the haired version of John Kramer. That might be an idea,
16:57I have that Harrison Ford, then he's not really doing anything at the time,
17:00I'm wondering maybe if I can use that body to produce a casually dressed John Kramer.
17:05Again, all these ideas throwing out there, one of the big ideas I mentioned in this review,
17:09was maybe finding a way to give unique accessories between the red and the black,
17:13so that if you were to pick up one, you weren't getting the same accessories as the other.
17:17Instead of maybe having Billy the Puppets being double dipped with both releases,
17:22had maybe they swapped one Billy the Puppet out in favor of a TV with a lenticular sticker,
17:26hey, there's incentive for collectors to want to get more than one John. As it is though,
17:32from head to toe, it's a nice looking John Kramer, I'm glad to have picked up now the Black Robe,
17:36courtesy of the folks over at NECA Toys that were kind enough to provide the sample. This guy,
17:41like I said, is available right now either in stores or online, have you guys had the chance
17:44to pick up the red and the Black Robe version of John Kramer? I'm going to pose the question to
17:50you, the viewing audience, of the two, which do you prefer more, the Black Robe or the Red Robe?
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