The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Episode 1
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Episode 1
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00:00Speaking up, speaking.
00:04Utah-based social media influencer, Taylor Frankie-Paul.
00:08Taylor Frankie-Paul.
00:09Taylor Frankie-Paul.
00:10One of the most salacious headlines and mom influencing,
00:13the Mormon mom talk community scandal.
00:16Mom Talk, a bunch of Utah moms swinging,
00:19partner swapping, being scandalous.
00:21Taylor, here for you, take one.
00:22So Taylor, tell us how a couple of Mormon moms
00:27getting together and making TikToks
00:29suddenly turns into this crazy, swinging sex scandal.
00:33♪ Oh, we don't know that it's getting hot at the body shop ♪
00:39♪ Doing something unholy ♪
00:42It started so innocent.
00:43Me and all these moms were like feeling the same things.
00:46I grew up in a glass box,
00:48thinking that everybody lives this way.
00:51♪ Lucky, lucky girl ♪
00:53♪ She got married to a boy like you ♪
00:56That everybody in the world is Mormon.
00:59There are a lot of rules that we have to follow.
01:01No swearing.
01:02One piercing.
01:03No caffeine.
01:04No alcohol.
01:05No tattoos, your body's a temple.
01:07We're not supposed to have sex before marriage,
01:09which, oops.
01:10♪ Call me up ♪
01:11Have kids by the time you're 21,
01:13or in my case, at 16.
01:15♪ Doing something unholy ♪
01:18A lot of the moms love the foundation of our church.
01:20Love, family, service.
01:23You're trying to be an example of a higher way of living,
01:26but for a lot of us,
01:27following the rules of the Mormon religion
01:29is just, it's impossible.
01:31We were raised to be these housewives for the men,
01:34serving their every desire.
01:36Well, I'm like, oh, this.
01:39So I created MomTalk.
01:46Started as a group of Mormon moms making TikToks.
01:49There was something freeing about it.
01:51When it comes to the Mormon scale,
01:53there's definitely a wide range.
01:54Some are more Mormon than others.
01:56But in MomTalk, I don't feel like we should judge people
01:58whether they're going to church every Sunday,
02:00wearing their special underwear,
02:01reading their special book.
02:03We are a new generation of Mormon women.
02:05We have a platform that the generation
02:07didn't have before us.
02:09There are just powerful women
02:10trying to change the stigma of gender roles
02:14in the Mormon culture.
02:15MomTalk blew up overnight.
02:18I gained like 60,000 followers just in a week,
02:21like nine million views,
02:22and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
02:23like, this is crazy.
02:24I think I have about 1.5 million,
02:26probably two million followers.
02:28And then it just turned into
02:31this whole group is swinging with each other.
02:34Taylor sent shockwaves through her following,
02:36announcing that she was getting a divorce.
02:39We started having parties.
02:41Really wild things ended up on Reddit
02:42because of one of the moms from MomTalk.
02:44My blood was boiling.
02:45I got on a TikTok live, 50 to 60,000 people.
02:49We would have parties,
02:50and there was a group of us
02:51that were intimate with each other.
02:53It was more like orgies.
02:54The guys were like, whoa, like, our wives just did that.
02:57It happened several times.
02:58I have made out with all of the husbands,
03:00and that's where things just kind of like blew up.
03:04Every single podcast had an opinion about it.
03:06As long as you say the Mormon TikTok girl,
03:08people immediately know what we're talking about.
03:10Wait, what?
03:11My favorite Mormon MILFs are swinging?
03:13This girl broke TikTok.
03:15No one was innocent.
03:16Everyone has hooked up with like everyone.
03:18All of a sudden, my phone starts blowing up,
03:20and I'm like, what's happening?
03:21Utah is like a small town.
03:23We couldn't go anywhere.
03:25Rumors were being made up about my family.
03:27It was, it was awful.
03:29At this point, I'm like, can MomTalk even survive this?
03:32If you think what's happened up to this point is crazy,
03:35wait till you see what's happening right now.
03:37Holy fuck.
03:40♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
03:43♪ Alleluia, alleluia ♪
03:47♪ Listen up, I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
03:53♪ I've got everything you could ever want ♪
03:57♪ Try me and you'll see how I'll bring you to your knees ♪
04:00♪ Baby, you're gonna believe me ♪
04:03♪ Let us not be the temptation ♪
04:06♪ Let us not be the temptation, temptation ♪
04:18♪ You make me so sick, said that I'm going crazy ♪
04:22♪ But nobody can save you from the world you've created ♪
04:25♪ All of your tricks ♪
04:27First of all, let's talk about this dress.
04:29Thanks, I feel like the mean girls mom.
04:31Why is the 411, what is everybody up to?
04:35I feel like that mom.
04:38I'm Taylor Parinkypaw, I'm 28,
04:40and I am from Salt Lake City, Utah.
04:42I was a really wild child, did it all.
04:44You know, partying and drinking.
04:46Right after high school, I got married in the temple.
04:49I was being pressured into it by, like, the church and my mom.
04:53She knew Tate and I were having sex before marriage,
04:56and I had a hard time fighting for, like, my voice at that time.
04:59Mom talk, it started with four girls,
05:02Whitney, Macy, McKayla, and I.
05:05Ever since the swinging scandal,
05:07I've been really trying to keep a low profile.
05:10I haven't seen the girls in years.
05:12I haven't seen the girls in a while.
05:14I haven't seen the girls in months.
05:16So, I'm excited.
05:18Hi!
05:20Oh, my gosh, how are you?
05:22Good.
05:23I'm Macy Neely, I'm 27,
05:25and I'm originally from Orange County, California.
05:27I always tell everyone I'm from California
05:29so they know I'm cool.
05:30I've been married five years to my husband, Jacob Neely,
05:33and we have two kids, and I'm a bad bitch.
05:36That is what I am.
05:38It's so great to see Taylor.
05:40It's been so long since all the drama came out with her,
05:43like, being a swinger and exposing everything.
05:47Also, I'm excited to get together and start mom talk back up.
05:50I need to hear about you and Dakota.
05:52That's the T I really want.
05:54Okay, I'm gonna let you go first, though.
05:56How are you and Jacob?
05:57I feel like Jacob never initiates, like, sex.
06:01You talk to him about it?
06:02Not really, like, in depth, but I feel like maybe I should.
06:05But, like, what do I do?
06:06I'm like, should I, like, put on lingerie
06:09Do you know what I mean?
06:10I feel like I want him to, like, want me all the time.
06:12So I feel like if you just talk to him about it
06:14and be like, this is how I feel, he at least knows
06:16because they can't read our minds, unfortunately.
06:18Yeah, I know, I just want them to, though.
06:20Yeah.
06:21So, wait, I want to hear about you and Dakota.
06:23I'm like, he seems like a good guy.
06:25Okay, so I don't even know where to begin.
06:28I'm so excited. Tell me everything.
06:30Dakota, he's my new boyfriend.
06:33We met on good old Instagram.
06:35He's very charismatic, he's charming,
06:37and he's very attractive.
06:39He asked me to be his girlfriend.
06:42And then we got in a big fight the next night.
06:45When you fought, like, what was he saying?
06:47Like, what was he getting mad at you about?
06:49I drank, and then I drank more and more.
06:53You got drunk?
06:54Yeah, I got drunk.
06:55It was my fault, I'll 100% admit that.
06:57Like, I was dumb and drunk, and so I felt really, really bad.
07:01He's like, I think we're just scared to like you.
07:03And, like, a lot more goes in with me, like, kids.
07:05Yeah.
07:06My history.
07:07Yeah.
07:08My situation that just came out, right?
07:09So he knows that that all comes with me.
07:11Then there's a side of me that's like, should I be single?
07:13Yeah.
07:14To, like, go out in my 20s having fun.
07:16I just got out of this relationship.
07:18Like, get all of that out of my system that I've been wanting.
07:21I think my question is, like, do you want to do this?
07:24We have a lot of trust issues.
07:26I was going to say, does he have a lot of trust issues
07:28because of your past?
07:29He does, and I do.
07:30Like, with him.
07:31So we have trust issues because we started off on a rocky start.
07:35We posted TikTok together, and things come out on Reddit.
07:39And girls are on my TikTok saying, oh, he was just, like,
07:41with my roommate last week or this and that.
07:43No.
07:44Like, ew.
07:45Like, now I'm like, I don't know if I can trust you, you know?
07:47You kind of like the drama in the relationship, huh?
07:49No, I don't like the drama.
07:50A little bit.
07:51A little.
07:52You like the, like, a little bit of jealousy.
07:54I like that he's jealous.
07:55Because you can tell that he, like, cares.
07:56Mm-hmm.
07:57I do like that.
07:58But I also get scared because, like,
07:59I'm three months out of my situation.
08:00Yeah.
08:01I'm a month out of my divorce.
08:02Do I need to chill?
08:03He even asked me yesterday.
08:04He's like, are you open to getting married again?
08:06What did you say?
08:07I was like, yes.
08:09I was like, of course.
08:10I want to get married.
08:11I want to have more babies.
08:12I will do that.
08:13Like, that's my plan.
08:15And he's like, OK, good to know.
08:17I think I was a bit worried about you moving
08:19into relationships so soon, only because you're gorgeous.
08:22You're, like, TikTok famous.
08:24You're hot.
08:25Like, you can get anyone you want.
08:26And so I'm like, don't settle.
08:27But I haven't met him yet.
08:29I need to meet this guy.
08:30Like, I need to see how his personality is.
08:31Like, I want to see, like, what you see in him.
08:33So I feel like we're kind of similar in some ways.
08:35We have the same type.
08:36We do.
08:37So I'm like, uh.
08:38Anyways, I heard Whitney.
08:39She's moving back.
08:40She's coming back tomorrow.
08:41Did you know that?
08:42Why?
08:43Whitney is part of the OG mom talk.
08:45She likes to be, like, the leader of the clan type of thing.
08:48I honestly, when she left to Hawaii, I was like,
08:50I feel like she's going to get FOMO and want to come back.
08:52OK, she's moving back, or they're just visiting?
08:54Moving back.
08:55They bought a house sight unseen.
08:56Honestly, I don't even know the real reason why
08:58they went there to begin with.
08:59Maybe she'll tell us, but.
09:00Yeah, so I will be seeing her then.
09:02She brought up the video again.
09:04I got on a TikTok Live.
09:07Tay and I are getting divorced.
09:09I don't know what you would call it if it's, like, soft swinging,
09:11but you don't, like, fully switch.
09:13We had an agreement, like, all of us,
09:15and I did step out of that agreement.
09:18I at least wanted to explain that to people.
09:20Like, my husband wanted to share.
09:21He did want to open that up.
09:23So it's like I caught feelings for a man
09:25that my husband welcomed into our house.
09:27Like, no one was innocent.
09:29Everyone has hooked up with, like, everyone in the situation.
09:32She was like, I am freaking pissed.
09:34And I was like, whew.
09:35I think it's because she kept getting tagged in your video,
09:37and that's why she was upset.
09:38She's going to kill me.
09:39She's going to kill you?
09:40Yeah.
09:41I'm excited for the confrontation that's
09:42going to happen between you two.
09:44You think she will?
09:45No.
09:46I think she will.
09:47Taylor used to be the face of Mom Talk,
09:49but once the whole controversy blew up,
09:51no one really knew what Mom Talk stood for anymore.
09:54Like, is it just a bunch of swingers,
09:56or are we just a bunch of Mormon women fighting the patriarchy?
10:17Mom Talk is essentially a content creator house,
10:19except for we don't actually live together.
10:21And we're all moms.
10:22We're all Mormons.
10:23I guess you could say a lot of us in Mom Talk look similar.
10:26We all have a similar style or a similar look.
10:28But we're just going off based on what's trending.
10:30Especially in Utah, there's a lot of blonde bitches here.
10:33So, I mean, what do you expect?
10:35Lacey, I need you to twerk your ass off as hard as you can.
10:38No problem.
10:39When we appear in each other's videos, we get more likes.
10:42We get more followers.
10:43We all benefit because we make more money.
10:46Oh!
10:47The boobies.
10:48The boobies.
10:49We're popping.
10:50We're popping.
10:51I was liking the boobies.
10:52You're wearing those nursing garments.
10:53You know what?
10:54I am shocked at how low the garmenting or the breastfeeding garments are.
10:58I can't believe you have a little cleavage.
11:00Well, you gotta be able to, you know.
11:01Yeah, that's true.
11:02You gotta be able to work on it.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Here we go.
11:06I'm sitting down and getting pumpy.
11:08Is that okay?
11:09Yeah, sit down, please.
11:10This is fancy.
11:11Oh, I love that.
11:13So, has anyone talked to Taylor?
11:16Not really.
11:17I feel like she's kind of like holding everyone at arm's distance right now.
11:23Oh!
11:30I'm coming over my mom's today because I have had a secret I've been holding on to.
11:35I'm really nervous about it.
11:36Cross my fingers she doesn't kill me.
11:39So, what's going on?
11:41Oh, I think they're driving me nuts today.
11:44You want a snack?
11:45Do you need me to watch them today?
11:47Um, I might actually.
11:49I have a date tonight, so.
11:52With who?
11:53Dakota.
11:55So, you're starting to see him a lot more now?
11:57I, didn't I tell you he asked me to be his girlfriend?
12:00Didn't I tell you that?
12:01No.
12:02Oh, well, he did.
12:04Well, Dakota and I made this TikTok of saying, should we date or should we not?
12:07And of course, my mom goes and gets in there and she puts the literal emoji, red flag.
12:12It gets a ton of likes.
12:13I go delete it.
12:14And then she goes, where's my comment go?
12:16I had so many likes.
12:17And I was like, oh my gosh, get off my TikTok.
12:20Did you take in consideration anything that I have told you before?
12:25What do you think?
12:27I did not.
12:29I grew up in a very brutal, honest family.
12:31So my mom, you guys are going to get to know my mom.
12:33I love her, but she's been like against Dakota.
12:36We shouldn't date.
12:37We shouldn't do this.
12:38We shouldn't do that.
12:39And she's going to, you know, tell me the truth and tell me how she feels.
12:43Do you still like watching the kids?
12:45It's hard.
12:46Yeah.
12:47They're hard.
12:48They're challenging.
12:49I think that they should be with you more.
12:51I have them 50% of the time, like divorced parents do.
12:57What?
12:58Just say it.
12:59Nothing.
13:00Do you think I'm a bad person for those mistakes that I did?
13:02I don't think you're a bad person.
13:03I just think that you've done a lot of bad things and that have made you look bad.
13:10Have you talked to your bishop or the church about anything?
13:15No.
13:16No?
13:17How come?
13:18I don't know, because like, what if they're going to like excommunicate me?
13:20Hey, when you are out soft swinging, what do you expect?
13:25With all the soft swinging, what does that mean?
13:27Do you guys know like what they all did?
13:29I think it's just everything but sex is what I understand.
13:31Like oral too?
13:32Yes.
13:33It was like swapping in front of each other, standing next to each other type stuff.
13:37No!
13:38I just love also that it's like, okay, we can do everything but sex, so it's fine.
13:41It's like, no, you're sucking someone's dick.
13:44So sorry, Jen.
13:47How does that look for you guys?
13:48Perfect.
13:49Beautiful.
13:51My name's Jessie.
13:52I am a hairdresser and I own a hair salon, hair extension company and hair school.
13:57I have built a little hair empire.
13:59We have had a billboard for my company.
14:01People are talking about how they think it says jizz.
14:03I can't.
14:04And if you drive past this billboard and that's your first thought, again, your mind's in the gutter.
14:08You got to get right because that is not what this is about.
14:12Okay, I have to know though because I've heard her side of it, but did any of you guys swing?
14:15Like were any of you involved?
14:16I was like at the parties and I didn't even know that it was going on.
14:22You never picked up on a vibe?
14:24Nothing?
14:25Brett said that he picked up vibes from the husbands.
14:27Okay.
14:28Because they were asking him weird questions.
14:30Like what?
14:31They were like, so like, are you the jealous type?
14:34Brett said this point blank.
14:35He's like, I mean, I don't share if that's what you mean.
14:37Good answer, Brett.
14:38Yeah.
14:39Were you part of the swinging group?
14:42Not part of any of it.
14:45I'm way too busy and tired.
14:46By the end of the night, I barely want to have sex with my husband half the time.
14:49I just don't know if I could handle like four other guys.
14:51My husband and I, we do not share.
14:53Absolutely no sharing.
14:55But Taylor, she admitted that they definitely thought that we would be fun to swing with.
15:01We're hot.
15:02What can we say?
15:04My name is Demi Ingeman.
15:06I am 29 years old.
15:08I have been married to my husband, Brett, for almost three years.
15:11He is 46 and I am 29.
15:15So a bit of an age gap there.
15:18The last party that we had gone to, like Taylor was like being kind of flirty with Brett.
15:22And that, to this day, pisses me off.
15:24What did she do?
15:25What do you mean?
15:26Taylor's being extra, extra friendly.
15:27And she like came up and she like kissed me on the head.
15:30And then she kissed Brett on the head.
15:32And then she's leaning over the couch.
15:34She starts like laughing and like saying something.
15:36And then he starts laughing and that's when I lose it.
15:38I'm like, oh.
15:39Punch her in the face.
15:40Hell no.
15:41Brett was like so drunk, like borderline blackout.
15:43And he's just like sitting on the couch and he's like, we might have to sleep over.
15:46He's like, we might have to sleep in Taylor's bed.
15:47I'm so sorry.
15:50I love you, but you don't always make the right choices.
15:54Yeah, I feel like you've never gone through a divorce.
15:58You've never had your entire, I guess, sex life online for the entire world to see.
16:04I just don't know how you choose these guys like Dakota.
16:08What's wrong with Dakota?
16:09Dakota has an addiction.
16:12Okay, that doesn't define who he is as a person.
16:14So Dakota, he has a pretty crazy backstory.
16:17He's a recovering addict.
16:18I mean, he almost died from fentanyl.
16:22You have two kids that you really have to think about.
16:25They're trying to heal and which you should be healing.
16:29You just got divorced and you need to let that settle.
16:33Because ultimately me and your dad are going to be the ones that pick up the pieces.
16:44And I need to like, probably, I don't know how to say it really.
16:49Say what?
16:52I have to take a pregnancy test tonight.
16:57Are you for real?
16:58Mm-hmm.
17:03Are you for real?
17:04Mm-hmm.
17:06Taylor, for real?
17:07Yeah.
17:09You're so stupid.
17:12Why would you put yourself in that situation?
17:14Well, I didn't purposely do it.
17:16You're always screwing up everything.
17:18It pisses me off.
17:19Just so tired of you doing everything to this family.
17:22And you don't even care.
17:24I don't care.
17:25I don't care.
17:26I don't care.
17:27I don't care.
17:28I don't care.
17:29I don't care.
17:30I don't care.
17:31Right?
17:32And you don't even care.
17:33You're like, hmm.
17:34I'm not saying I don't know what you want me to do.
17:36It's like, I just don't know.
17:37At the end of the day, I do know my mom loves me and wants the best.
17:40But emotionally, I would say I have like good days and bad days.
17:43And I'm still struggling with the gossiping and judging.
17:47And I'd rather her just support it rather than tell me what to do.
17:50Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it's how it should be.
17:52You just piss me off and I just don't want to even talk to you.
18:02It's no fun being a saint.
18:05See you on the dark side when I'm done.
18:09I'm waking as they come.
18:14All right, guys.
18:15Cheers to girls' day.
18:16Woo-hoo.
18:17Woo-hoo.
18:18Ew, your crusty lips.
18:20I feel like Jen and Whitney are like the dancers.
18:23Like, you guys can memorize things.
18:25I'm like, isn't Whitney coming back from Hawaii?
18:28That went by really fast.
18:29It did.
18:30Yeah.
18:31I still don't know why she moved.
18:32Why does she move anywhere?
18:33I feel like she's always like, I'm going to go here.
18:35I'm going to move houses.
18:36I'm bored.
18:37I'm going to change my hair.
18:38She's all over the place.
18:39No, she is.
18:40Today, she moves back, right?
18:41Oh, I think so.
18:42That's right.
18:43Yeah.
18:44I've heard some rumors about Whitney.
18:45Maybe they're not true, but that she's a swinger.
18:47That someone saw Connor on Tinder.
18:50Yeah, we saw that, too.
18:51Whitney and Connor are married.
18:53They have two kids.
18:54I was on Reddit one night, and I saw this post that someone made
18:57about Connor being on Tinder.
18:59And Whitney was trying to hide behind this swinger scandal
19:02to hide her own personal scandal.
19:04And I was like, what?
19:05Like, what is this?
19:06And I was really confused.
19:07And then I think I brought it up.
19:08And I was like, by the way, like, we saw this.
19:10And she was like, oh, it's not true.
19:12Yeah, she's like, they took his pictures from high school,
19:15from his Facebook high school account or whatever,
19:17and put it on Tinder.
19:18She did brush it off really fast, though,
19:20which made me like a little sus.
19:22There's no way.
19:23It's Connor.
19:24I mean, it's Connor, so it's like.
19:25It's Connor.
19:26And her.
19:27She's, like, so public.
19:28I'm like, how would that go under the radar?
19:30How can you hide that?
19:31Exactly.
19:33Sometimes you need to hide out from everything.
19:37Stay and turn off TV.
19:40I'm so excited.
19:42I just, like, can't believe it's happening.
19:44I am buzzing.
19:45I'm psyched.
19:47OK, I've got to check on him.
19:48OK, safety first.
19:49You're unbuckled.
19:51Don't let in my makeup.
19:53Are you so excited?
19:55Yeah.
19:56You going to see a new home?
19:58Yeah.
20:02My name is Whitney Levitt.
20:04I am from Utah County, Happy Valley, Utah.
20:08In the beginning of Mom Talk, it was me, Macy, Mikayla,
20:13and Taylor.
20:14We were a really solid group.
20:16But since Taylor came out and said Mom Talk
20:19was involved in swinging, I was in the thick of it
20:22here with all these rumors being spread about my family.
20:24We moved to Hawaii for two months
20:28to get away from the noise.
20:32Two, three.
20:34Oh, my gosh.
20:36Are you kidding me?
20:38Oh, my gosh.
20:41Connor.
20:42This is beautiful.
20:45Liam, you excited?
20:47After I had my first child, I had this, is this my life now?
20:52Like, am I just a mom, which I'm not saying is a bad thing.
20:55But I didn't want that to define me.
20:58And being invited to Mom Talk and getting together
21:02with these other women who had the same goals was refreshing.
21:05And it was exciting.
21:07After Taylor blew up Mom Talk, I think
21:09we all needed that time away from each other.
21:11We needed that space.
21:13And I'm ready.
21:14I'm back from Hawaii.
21:15I want us all to come back together.
21:17Let's start dancing again, making some videos.
21:19It's happening.
21:20Who do you think this is from, babe?
21:22Probably our realtor, huh?
21:23Yeah.
21:24Have you tried champagne before?
21:25Never.
21:26No.
21:27I've never tried alcohol ever in my life.
21:29I know you haven't.
21:30Here we go.
21:31Here we go.
21:32Woo!
21:34Dang it, our new floors.
21:35This is a very special moment.
21:37I feel like we should go like this.
21:39Wait, let's cheers it.
21:40Drink it?
21:41Yeah.
21:42Drink it.
21:43Drink up.
21:44Shots up.
21:45Drink up.
21:46I didn't like that.
21:47Ew, I hate it so much.
21:49Ew.
21:50Is that supposed to taste good?
21:51Ew, oh my god.
21:52Now that I'm back from Hawaii, I really want to talk to Taylor.
21:55Let's just air out all of our grievances.
21:57We need to move past this.
21:58We need to grow from it and become better from it.
22:01Do people really pay money to drink that?
22:03I'm just kidding.
22:06Listen, ladies, we don't need no introduction.
22:08Walk in the room, make them feel you coming.
22:10Powerful, you are no question.
22:12Who run the world?
22:13Girls, we ain't frontin'.
22:15Go on, girls, stretch your stuff, you deserve it.
22:17Haters gonna act like they never heard it.
22:19How's it going?
22:20Good, how are you?
22:21There's gonna be three of us.
22:22Yeah, she'll show up later.
22:24She'll come, hopefully.
22:25My name is Mikayla Matthews.
22:27I'm 23 years old.
22:28I've been married to my husband, Jace, for six years now.
22:32And I have three kids, Beckham, Haven, and Tommy.
22:35I was born and raised Mormon.
22:37My mom was one of the church leaders.
22:39So we would have to act like the most perfect little Mormon family.
22:43How old were you when you met Jace?
22:4516.
22:46And then I got pregnant before marriage.
22:49Jace was 21 then.
22:52I do social media, content creation.
22:55Recently, I've been sharing a lot about my illness and my skin condition.
22:59I wish I knew what was going on with my skin.
23:02I've done a hair analysis test, urine test, stool test.
23:07Oh, priesthood blessings.
23:09Got a couple of those along the way.
23:13Jace hates being in my TikToks, but I like to force him.
23:17And then people just think that he hates me, secretly.
23:23Oh, God.
23:24Probably a picture of myself.
23:26It's still a picture of myself.
23:30I don't want to sit next to Taylor, I'm scared.
23:32Should I sit over here?
23:33No, you're good.
23:34Have her sit there.
23:35Okay, I'm Taylor.
23:37What's up, bitch?
23:38I'm just kidding.
23:39She won, though.
23:40Literally, she won.
23:41All right.
23:42Hi, guys.
23:43How's everyone doing?
23:44Good.
23:45How are you?
23:46Good.
23:47Like my titties?
23:48Yes, I'm actually very jealous.
23:51I'm a part of the original group of MomTalk.
23:54It's nice to have Whitney back,
23:55especially going into this conversation with Taylor.
23:58I know that there's a lot to be said.
24:01Who's your plastic surgeon?
24:03Dr. Chitty.
24:04Chitty-titty.
24:05Chitty-titty.
24:06Dr. Chitty-titty.
24:08I haven't seen Taylor in quite some time,
24:10since the swinger drama.
24:12Yeah, I do have some issues with Taylor.
24:17What are we looking at right now?
24:18KK.
24:19You're good.
24:20Just breathe, drink your water, look at your nails.
24:22Is it too early to take shots?
24:25Here she is.
24:26Hi!
24:27Hello!
24:28Your hair looks so good.
24:30It's so cute.
24:32It looks so good.
24:33Hi, Taylor.
24:34Your hair looks so cute.
24:35I know.
24:36Did you get extensions now?
24:37Now all the comments are real?
24:38I didn't.
24:39If I'm rubbing my boob,
24:40it's because my boobs hurt so bad.
24:42I stopped breastfeeding,
24:43and they're like rock hard.
24:45That's okay.
24:46If I touch my boobs,
24:47it's just because I just got some.
24:48Okay.
24:49Why are you guys looking at me like that?
24:52Awkward.
24:53So how are the titties?
24:55Oh my gosh.
24:56Can I touch them?
24:58How long has it been?
25:00Seven weeks.
25:02Wait, they feel so good.
25:04They're soft.
25:05They're not even hard anymore.
25:06Do you like the size that you got?
25:08Yes.
25:09They fit my body,
25:10and it didn't hurt at all.
25:12So how have you guys been?
25:14I've been good.
25:15We just,
25:16I feel like I haven't slept at all
25:18because we literally got off a plane,
25:20moved into our home.
25:21I feel like I'm on this crazy high right now.
25:23Yeah, yeah.
25:24And I miss Hawaii already.
25:26I didn't even know you were moving back.
25:28Oh, no.
25:29I'm like officially back.
25:30I know, but I didn't know that.
25:33Surprise!
25:35I actually don't know the real reason
25:38of why Whitney moved to Hawaii.
25:40She didn't tell me,
25:41nobody told me.
25:42I honestly thought we were closer than that.
25:44I don't know anything.
25:47I have a question for you.
25:49I want to know why you posted that video.
25:54We built a relationship,
25:56and I genuinely was like,
25:57cool, I don't trust Taylor.
25:59Like, no one was innocent.
26:01Everyone has hooked up with, like,
26:02everyone in the situation.
26:04I felt betrayed.
26:05Genuinely was like,
26:06I don't feel safe with Taylor.
26:07I never want to make a video with Taylor ever again.
26:09Like, I still don't really trust you.
26:19I feel like the story
26:20could have been approached differently.
26:21Like, I feel like it was very exploiting.
26:23Names of people that had nothing to do with this.
26:26Absolutely nothing.
26:27I don't trust you with telling certain things
26:29because I don't know what you're going to do
26:30with that information.
26:31Are you going to blast it on the internet?
26:32Are you going to, like, I don't know.
26:33It's very, like, IDGAP energy,
26:35and I'm just like, well,
26:36I don't feel safe with you.
26:38Like, do you want me to say sorry for, like, my post?
26:40Like, I don't know.
26:42At the end of the day,
26:43I guess I'm saying I'm not apologizing for my post.
26:47It's not that I don't care about people.
26:49It's more like what the people think online, right?
26:52I knew people were going to be like...
26:54I knew it was going to be hyped, right?
26:56Like, controversy.
26:57I just knew it would.
26:58Everyone was, like, picking apart mom talk,
27:00picking apart people's relationships.
27:02Like, oh, is it them?
27:03Like, Whitney and Connor had this.
27:04Whitney's husband's doing this.
27:05And I feel like that's where it was hard for people.
27:09And so I just thought it was, like,
27:10Taylor's trying to drag everyone down with her.
27:13And so I was like, well, that's not cool.
27:15What was frustrating, though,
27:16was, like, all the moms, like, coming at me, like, crying.
27:20Like, this is ruining our lives.
27:21Take it down. Blah, blah, blah.
27:22And then they're joking about it on their, like, TikToks.
27:24And I'm like, this ruined your life,
27:26and now you're joking about it?
27:27Like, I'm confused.
27:31There would be no mom talk if I hadn't created it.
27:34I feel that I should be given
27:36a little bit of grace in the situation.
27:38I was being torn to shreds for, like, ruining people's lives.
27:42And then them using it for, like, clout.
27:44Hey, did I ruin your life, or did I help your life?
27:46I brought all of you girls into this mom talk thing,
27:49and then I was all left.
27:50You guys did bashing me without even, like,
27:52knowing the full story.
27:53It was something I did, like, for you guys
27:56and, like, all the other girls,
27:57and then I was just, like, kicked out.
27:58I wouldn't say you brought us in.
28:00I had a following already going into mom talk,
28:03so I don't feel like I owe anything to you.
28:06I just feel like there's a line,
28:08especially, like, when we're friends.
28:09Like, I feel like we grew a relationship.
28:11Yeah, we did.
28:12But then you made that video, and I didn't think about it.
28:15So I'm sorry that I didn't, like, I guess...
28:18I don't know.
28:20We need this. We need this community,
28:22and I want us to be loyal to each other
28:24and feel safe with each other and honest with each other.
28:28I agree.
28:29I think it is a good thing to clear the air
28:32with my closer friends in mom talk,
28:34but I also am very scared to tell them I might be pregnant.
28:39I don't want to be judged, I guess, by them.
28:41Given the circumstances,
28:42so I'm going to hold off on telling them that.
28:45I say from here on out, we have each other's backs.
28:48Cheers.
28:49Cheers, ladies.
28:50Cheers.
28:51Yay.
28:52I keep it simple
28:54You've never seen a girl like this before
28:57Oh, baby
28:59I actually think Whitney's going to look like a natural redhead.
29:02I think so, too.
29:03She kind of looks like she would be.
29:05You look in the mirror.
29:06I love it.
29:07Lindsay Lohan Hill.
29:08Got me feeling
29:11This is where it all began
29:12How are you feeling about being back from Hawaii?
29:16I feel great.
29:19Can we sit in the family room?
29:20Is that okay?
29:21Oh, man.
29:23I was looking through some old videos today,
29:26and I know we were only in Hawaii for a little bit,
29:31but I kind of miss that
29:32because I feel like we ran away from something.
29:37I don't want to lie about it anymore.
29:41Taylor even asked me the other day about the whole Tinder rumor,
29:46and I denied it again.
29:49Yeah, it's probably hard for you to lie about that.
29:53I just think that at the time,
29:55I didn't want to say anything because I didn't even know what I wanted.
29:58I just hate talking about what happened to me in the same breath
30:02as what I did to you.
30:04I feel like it flips the script and it turns me into a victim
30:09when in this scenario, I'm not.
30:12And I definitely want there to be a distinction.
30:16These were actions I took.
30:19I had a real problem,
30:21and it led to something that really hurt my wife.
30:25I'm so sorry.
30:28And I'm working on myself.
30:31But yeah, I've reached a point where I really don't care
30:35what anybody outside of my inner circle thinks.
30:38Once it gets out,
30:40I feel like it's just going to be like the elephant in the room
30:46whenever we go to church now.
30:49Nobody knows about our secret.
30:51When they asked us, we said it was a lie.
30:54I think when we look at religion,
30:56when you go through the temple, make those covenants,
30:59make those promises with God, the sin is more serious.
31:03I just think that, I don't know.
31:07Oh man.
31:09I'm a little nervous about how, like what they're going to think.
31:13I don't know if they're going to hate you
31:16or if they're going to hate me
31:20for making the choice to stay with you.
31:23It's a pretty deep wound.
31:26I want to tell them now.
31:36I'm just going to wash these because I'm so weird about dirt.
31:40Like with your toilet seat?
31:42It just grosses me out a little bit.
31:44What do you do at airports and stuff?
31:46If there's no toilet seat cover,
31:48I will literally get toilet paper and make a little thing on the seat.
31:52You do that at my house?
31:55Hi!
31:56I took all your hair tips today.
31:58Okay, it's stunning.
32:00I love it.
32:01And I was like, how do you do your hair?
32:03Because I want to look exactly like you tomorrow.
32:06So like, what is going on?
32:08It's a family meeting.
32:10Whitney wants to get all the girls together.
32:12She's like, family meeting, I can't hold it in.
32:14I was like, well, is it an issue? Is it serious?
32:16She's like, yeah, it's pretty serious.
32:18And I was like, okay, well, you're not dying, are you?
32:20And she's like, no.
32:23Is it the door?
32:24Am I hearing things?
32:25No, I think it was.
32:26Hi!
32:27Oh my gosh, your hair looks so cute.
32:30Whitney!
32:32Why every time I see you, I'm like,
32:34so you just lost like 10 pounds every time I see you.
32:36Stop.
32:37It's because I just got over food poisoning.
32:39I've been literally shitting my guts out.
32:41I'm going to...
32:42I'm nervous shit.
32:43Light a candle.
32:44I get the anxiety shit.
32:45I do too.
32:46Like, I cannot control it.
32:47Hi.
32:48Hi.
32:49Come on in.
32:50Oh my gosh, you look so cute.
32:51You look not.
32:52Hi.
32:53Hello.
32:54Hello, guys.
32:55Okay, so what's going on?
32:57Whitney, did you say you had something you want to talk about?
33:00Um, yeah, there is.
33:05I really want this Mom Talk group to survive.
33:08It's my life right now.
33:10It's what makes me happy.
33:11I look forward to it.
33:12These are my girls.
33:13I want to do anything and everything I can
33:15to keep this group going.
33:17I don't want there to be any more secrets between us.
33:19I don't want another scandal.
33:20So I'm ready to tell the truth.
33:24Oh.
33:25Oh.
33:26I'm anxious.
33:27I'm anxious.
33:28Oh, I'm anxious.
33:29There's no way I'm doing this.
33:34There was a rumor that Connor was on Tinder.
33:37I don't know if you guys remember that rumor.
33:39Yeah.
33:40Of course you do.
33:41Yeah.
33:42And I lied about it
33:45because I was embarrassed.
33:50I didn't even know it was true until I confronted Connor.
33:53And I went to him like, look at this joke.
33:58There was more to that.
34:00He had been struggling with a porn addiction.
34:03And I didn't want to say anything.
34:08I didn't want to come out because I just feel like there's a whole story.
34:12You know, there's a reason why people do certain things.
34:15And I think he was just confused.
34:22I literally said, I was like, this does not happen to me.
34:25Like, this isn't something that happens to me.
34:27I literally haven't told anyone.
34:29It's just something that we're working through.
34:32Can I ask, did it go further than Tinder?
34:35No, he never met up with anybody.
34:39How long had it been going on?
34:41Like our whole marriage.
34:44My first reaction to hearing about Whitney and Connor, jaw on the floor.
34:48When is he talking to these girls?
34:50Yeah, like full-on conversations with women and pictures and all of this stuff.
34:56So they were sending nude photos?
34:58Yeah.
34:59Connor was too as well?
35:00Yeah.
35:01Life can be really sticky and complicated.
35:04But no matter what you're going through,
35:06we have this mom talk group to lean on and use as a support system.
35:12And right now Whitney's needing us and we need to be there for her.
35:17Makes me feel like, like my whole marriage was just like a lie.
35:23Yeah, that's hard.
35:25I could see why with porn, it makes a little more sense.
35:28Okay, he's confused sexually, but with Tinder, I feel like it's different.
35:31How do you know he didn't, he's just telling you he didn't meet up with her?
35:33How do you know?
35:35By word.
35:36Okay, yeah.
35:37You know?
35:38Yeah.
35:39I guess I just hope that, yeah, like you don't look at Connor differently.
35:44If you guys can look past my stuff, Connor's okay.
35:47We're just here to support you no matter what.
35:49Yeah.
35:50Yeah.
35:51I originally said to everyone that I had left because of all the mom talk drama,
35:55like I felt like I couldn't go anywhere.
35:57But honestly, like we left because I just wanted to get away.
36:01I wanted to get away from everything because I wanted to just think for myself and everything.
36:06So I'm sorry.
36:08Because that wasn't the reason.
36:12Holy fuck.
36:13I would say I am like the scapegoat for why Whitney moved to Hawaii.
36:17I've just been lied to all summer.
36:18Like, what the hell?
36:20I'd rather have a mean bitch as a friend than a freaking fake, you know, nice girl that's like using people.
36:27So, I have news.
36:29What's the news?
36:30Because I feel like there's like some tension going on.
36:33No, I just, I'm super overwhelmed with like everything.
36:37Yeah, I've been pregnant for like, I would say four weeks.
36:40Shut up.
36:41Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.
36:42It's not good because like I'm pretty sure I miscarried.
36:45So, I'm going to the hospital every other day because like they have to like draw blood.
36:48Because I either miscarried because I had a ton of blood.
36:52I was like freaking out and calling my doctor and they're like, we're pretty sure you like miscarried then.
36:56Or I have an ectopic pregnancy.
36:58So, basically, the baby won't like survive.
37:00You know that for sure?
37:01An ectopic, it's no matter who has one, like it won't survive.
37:04So, what does that mean?
37:05As it grows, it'll burst your fallopian tubes.
37:08It's been like depressing.
37:11What the actual fuck, Taylor?
37:13What the hell are you doing?
37:16Immediately, right after sharing this trauma that's happening to me,
37:23you immediately talk about something traumatic that's going on in your life.
37:29How does Dakota feel about it?
37:30He was super sad because he was super excited.
37:33We're like, whoa, let's do this.
37:34We were like, we accepted it.
37:35Are you like going to be more careful moving forward?
37:38I am very like just everywhere.
37:41Yeah.
37:42Every day.
37:53Do we have reservations or what?
37:55I don't know.
37:56Did you make them?
37:57Mm-hmm.
37:58I did, actually.
37:59You did it.
38:00You're lying.
38:02So, we're just hoping to get in?
38:03Yeah.
38:04Be like, I'm the swinger mom on TikTok.
38:06Can you give me a table?
38:07No, Taylor, don't say that.
38:09Dakota and I didn't expect to get pregnant, let alone have a miscarriage.
38:15At this time, I feel like we're just wanting to move on and work on our relationship.
38:20Both of our pasts, we have very, I feel like, messy pasts.
38:23He wants me to be a better person, and that's why I really like him, because he wants to do more wholesome things together, and I like that.
38:41Sliding in my DMs.
38:43Okay, all right, okay.
38:45I did one slide.
38:47A little bit later, a little DM comes in.
38:50Who's it from?
38:51Taylor Frankie Paul.
38:53What did you say?
38:55You look like Jake Gyllenhaal.
38:58Holy hell.
38:59You're so pretty.
39:00I feel the same.
39:01I'm like, how did I get this guy?
39:04I would never share you with anybody.
39:06You're sharing data over a ton.
39:10You want to marry me?
39:11I want to marry you.
39:12Wait, really?
39:14I'm freaking obsessed with you.
39:17With church, do you want to be married in the temple still?
39:21Or is that something you want?
39:23My answer would be, I don't want it.
39:25I don't follow the rules, and that's a given.
39:27When I came back to the church, there were very higher power God moments for me that were saving my life.
39:34Even being in recovery, right?
39:36I just turned everything to God.
39:39Obviously, with my past.
39:42I can't be with you if you want to party.
39:45Unfortunately for me, it's life or death.
39:49I mean, don't get me wrong.
39:50I've thought about all of it.
39:51I'm just going to be honest.
39:52Yeah.
39:53It makes me sad to be like, oh, I can never drink again.
39:56Like, that sucks for me, you know?
39:59It's just something I enjoy, and in moderation, like a drink out with my friends.
40:03I get where you're coming from with that.
40:06I just know what I want in my future, and it's not any of that.
40:10Yes, and mom's a girl who likes his hearty.
40:13Oh, my gosh.
40:14I don't know how I find these men that don't like drinking, because I like drinking.
40:17So I feel like it might be an issue, actually, to be honest.
40:21Let's get out of here.
40:23I won't lie.
40:24I'm drinking.
40:25Like, tonight, I'm getting effed up.
40:35I love you.
40:36For goodness sake.
40:44Hey, let's go night-night, girl.
40:48Do you want some milk?
40:49Do you want some milk?
40:52Hey, I love you.
40:54You be a good girl.
40:56You be a good girl.
41:02All right, let's say a prayer.
41:03You want to say it?
41:04Yeah.
41:05Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this wonderful day.
41:08Thank you for this wonderful day.
41:10We're grateful for the safety and the love that we feel.
41:14And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
41:17Amen.
41:19Love you, baby.
41:30911, what is the city and address of your emergency?
41:34There's, like, domestic violence.
41:35Like, somebody is screaming, like, get off me.
41:37There is a woman screaming.
41:39There's, like, the garage door keeps opening and shutting.
41:41It sounds like she's trying to get out.
41:43Okay.
41:44I don't know if the kids are there right now,
41:45because I think she shares time with her ex-husband.
41:51We'll get somebody out there.
41:52Okay, here.
41:53Bye-bye.
41:54Bye-bye.
42:061FB34, be advised, there is police on this coast.
42:11Stop.
42:12Hey, what's going on?
42:13Oh, my gosh.
42:14Nothing.
42:15She's hammered.
42:17So is he.
42:18I'm sober.
42:22How about we separate for now?
42:24You need to just calm down.
42:27Hey, stop.
42:28Stop.
42:29Just stop.
42:30We're not doing this.
42:31Okay, but he threw me out in the garage.
42:32No, because she is attacking the crap out of me.
42:34You threw me in the garage.
42:35Stop.
42:36Okay, stop.
42:40You want to throw that on real quick?
42:45I just want to be able to talk to you without you two
42:47bickering at each other.
42:48Okay.
42:49Right?
42:50Okay.
42:51So go ahead.
42:52You can sit or whichever.
42:54Okay.
42:55So what's your name?
42:56Taylor.
42:57Taylor.
42:58I'm Officer Ruebebrecht with the Harriman Police Department.
43:00Okay.
43:01The neighbors called in,
43:02saying they heard a bunch of yelling.
43:04I didn't do it.
43:05I'm sorry.
43:08Let's start again.
43:10She's launching those metal chairs at me.
43:14Left and right.
43:15I mean, put a hole in the wall.
43:16Like, I was like, I was actually a little bit scared for my life there.
43:20I peed my pants because I was so scared of him in my garage.
43:24He pushed me into the wooded thing, so I reacted.
43:27I threw the wooden thing at him, and when he came in,
43:29I threw everything else.
43:30At this time, you're going to be placed under arrest for DV,
43:33for domestic violence.
43:35Okay?
43:36So before I talk to you more about it,
43:38I need you to turn around and place your hands on your back.
44:01Getting arrested was the worst time of my life.
44:03I don't want to feel anything anymore.
44:05From the scandal to miscarriage to arrest to being pregnant again.
44:11Where do you stand with MomTalk right now?
44:15I don't know.
44:16We need to get back to what MomTalk was.
44:19Do you want to exclude her from it?
44:21There's a fight for the Queen Bee of MomTalk.
44:24You're either Team Taylor or you are Team Whitney.
44:28She fucked all of us over.
44:30I think she likes being in control.
44:32Online, it looks like we're all the bestest of friends, but we're not.
44:36Do you guys know where Whitney is?
44:37Oh, is Whitney not here yet?
44:38She's not coming.
44:39What do you mean?
44:40Get out of your boxing gloves, girlies!
44:42Girl, you look hot AF.
44:47In this MomTalk group, we really do have a true sense of sisterhood.
44:51Like, look at me. Can I see?
44:52Not even close.
44:53Like, you look hot AF.
44:55Like, can I see?
44:56Not even swollen.
44:57Like, it's swollen, but like, it looks so good.
45:00Oh my gosh!
45:01So I got this offer.
45:02Pleasure toys for days.
45:06I think a lot of women don't even orgasm.
45:08Two kids, 22, never in my life.
45:10I feel like I'm like Missy now.
45:12In the Mormon religion, we're very conservative.
45:16What way do you feel like drinking helps you be a better mom?
45:20A lot of people now think that we're just a bunch of Mormon swingers.
45:24Which girl in this room would you go lesbian for?
45:26Hey.
45:27Kiss, kiss.
45:28No, no!
45:29I worry about my family seeing me.
45:32Oh!
45:33It's very, very taboo.
45:35In MomTalk, there's lies, gossip, there's drama.
45:38There's so many secrets.
45:39Now you're calling Taylor white trash.
45:41Do you think it's trashy to take off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
45:45We act like everything's fine, but that's just a story.
45:48You guys pretend you like each other, okay?
45:50She unfollowed all of us.
45:51No!
45:52This will be an interesting night.
45:53You're being a bitch.
45:54What the fuck are you talking about?
45:56She can't help people not liking her.
45:57Macy and Jacob are a joke.
45:59There's nothing else to say.
46:00Zip it.
46:01The gloves are off, baby.
46:02War has just begun.
46:04Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
46:06Why are you here?
46:07Did you invite her?
46:08I didn't do anything.
46:10I did nothing wrong.
46:11The one time I need support, you're not there for me.
46:13I don't want to be friends with you guys anymore.
46:15Hey, I don't want to be your friend.
46:17I think everyone has a secret.
46:20If anything does come out.
46:21You're going to end things with me?
46:23Yeah, 100%.
46:24Would she rather know after she has a baby,
46:26or would she rather know before?
46:27Are you scared?
46:28Yeah, it's going to come.
46:30I accidentally slept with her before I knew they were together.
46:35Can mom talk even survive this?
46:38It's good to be good, but it's good to be bad, to be bad.
46:44To be bad, to be bad.
46:47It's good to be bad.
46:51To be bad, to be bad.
46:55It's good to be bad.
47:07It's good to be bad.