Possibility of a Miami Dolphins Undrafted Center playing Long snapper?
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00:00A Dolphins, they set their 53 man roster, uh, some reports in the past
00:06hour over the practice squad.
00:09Um, it sounds like according to Barry Jackson, that Nick Needham plans to
00:15sign with the Dolphins practice squad.
00:17So, uh, it seems like he is not going anywhere.
00:21Dolphins veteran, a DB Hayden Rucci.
00:24In
00:28Hayden.
00:29Wow.
00:30Also heading for the practice squad.
00:33According to Joe Shad Dolphins,
00:37Joe Hayden, he was for the Browns.
00:41Yes, he was.
00:42Yes, he was.
00:43Uh, Joe Shad says Dolphins are planning to have Eric as you come and start the
00:47season on the practice squad, unless he gets, um, I heard this morning that as a
00:52comma might play the first week.
00:55Hmm.
00:55Maybe, maybe there was, there was definitely some like roster finagling
01:02going on, like they cut their long snapper, right?
01:05That was like, well, that was like kind of surprised everybody cut the long
01:07snap, but that apparently seems like that's just some roster jiu-jitsu
01:13that's going on there.
01:14I told you there's a lot of that going on.
01:16Yeah.
01:17Is he going to come back somehow?
01:19So Ricardo head to the practice squad.
01:23No, he got cut.
01:24So they could, yeah, dude.
01:30Like, that's the other thing that people don't realize, you know, they're going
01:35out there and they're, they're doing some, uh, they're doing some, some
01:38different moves here, a little moves over there and you know, but yeah, the
01:43only thing, cause I definitely was with Margo's though, cause like Margo's and
01:47we were texting about this yesterday and I'm thinking to myself like, wait,
01:51do the dolphins have like a secret long snapper we don't know about?
01:53Like they brought this, they, they, uh, this undrafted center made the team.
01:56I was like, well, he played at UTEP.
01:58Maybe they didn't have a long snapper at UTEP.
02:01Maybe he had to do both.
02:04I didn't know.
02:04I was just, I was theorizing.
02:09I mean, even your thoughts don't make sense.
02:11That doesn't make sense to you.
02:14So what's the jiu-jitsu exactly?
02:15I'm trying to find this that they're doing.
02:16So here's what they do, Marco.
02:18So for example, they have every intention on bringing it as a combo back.
02:23All right.
02:24They can release him and bring him back for the simple reason that
02:29he's only had three NFL catches.
02:32Yeah.
02:32Who's going to pick him up.
02:34Right.
02:35So you can kind of finagle your way like that, because keep in mind, you can't
02:40just put somebody on the practice squad.
02:43They got to clear waivers.
02:45Yeah.
02:45So in order to do that, these guys have to clear waivers.
02:50And so the way they do the jiu-jitsu is they're figuring out what guys won't
02:56get picked up and what guys would get picked up and they're doing their 53
03:02man roster based on that, and then bringing the guys on the practice squad.
03:06And you still have access to those players.
03:09Right.
03:10But can they, they can't start it.
03:12Like, for example, he's a starting as a column was like four or five on the depth
03:15chart, this is a starting long snapper.
03:18So how do we get him back on the field without, because once you start doing,
03:21once you do the PUP stuff, the injury reserve stuff and all that stuff,
03:25then you can just bring him back.
03:26Oh, okay.
03:27Yeah.
03:27The open roster spot essentially.
03:29Or I mean, I guess they could probably put, I don't know if they could keep
03:32elevating him off the practice squad or whatnot.
03:34No, you can.
03:34I think you can only do it a certain amount of times, but he's a, but he is,
03:40but yeah, that, I mean, the word is everybody seems to think he's going to
03:43resign, like he'll be back.
03:44It's just in the, in the days they had to get it done, which was by 4
03:48PM yesterday, he was not on the roster.
03:51Right.
03:53I thought it was because he started a political stuff, but you should like,
03:58hold on.
03:58I just want to go back to one thing in a second though.
04:00You know, it's not very nice.
04:02I was just thinking about it.
04:03Like I didn't know at the time they were going to bring back the long snapper.
04:05Right.
04:06First of all, I didn't know that they were going to bring in a cheaper long
04:07snapper and second of all, what if, what if here, some of these things you got to
04:13think it makes, hold on.
04:17Even with what I did, even with no football knowledge, right.
04:24Is it safe to say you could just conclude.
04:30Well, that don't make no damn sense.
04:32Something's got to be up, right?
04:35Well, here's what I thought though.
04:37This is what I thought another long snap.
04:39There's a second long snapper.
04:42No, no, no, no.
04:43What I thought was, hear me out, hear me out.
04:46I had thought the dolphins have found a bit of a cheat code at the time because
04:50they had this Andrew Meyer, the center that made the team on drafted free agent.
04:54Right.
04:55From UTEP and my thought process while I was going through this, I was like, I
04:59wonder if at UTEP they didn't have a long snapper and he did both.
05:04Let's let's also, let's also, he plays center, correct?
05:10Yes.
05:12I want you to go through the history of bleeping football.
05:16Right.
05:18When the last time it was fourth down in the center, stayed on
05:22the field and snapped the ball.
05:23Okay, dude, but this is different times in sports.
05:25Your long snappers are tight ends or linebackers run down the
05:29field and make a damn tap.
05:30I understand.
05:31I understand.
05:31But, but it's UTEP.
05:33All right.
05:33And so I thought maybe there was a chance that Andrew Meyer had done
05:36like, he was a utility man, right?
05:38Cause hear me out, hear me out of this.
05:39Like we, the sports are changing.
05:41We got Shohei Otani.
05:42He pitches and he hits, we got Victor Wiminyama, seven, four.
05:46Is it crazy to think we have a four down center?
05:49No, it's ridiculous.
05:51I'm glad you're not that ridiculous.
05:54Your screen went blurry when you start talking that nonsense.
05:58No, I'm telling you, dude, I'm telling you.
06:00Am I back?
06:02Yeah, you were.
06:03So I'm just saying like, it's not crazy at a small school at a small school.
06:10No, dude.
06:14I'm looking at an article from March 20th of this year from Ole Miss.
06:19It says Ole Miss receives commitment from center slash long snapper.
06:24Oh, okay.
06:26Oh, okay.
06:27Listen, dumb, dumb.
06:30That's me.
06:31Nobody goes through life as a long snapper.
06:34You end up a long snapper, right?
06:37But you're not going to be a starting lineman.
06:42Everybody has a position, whatever position you play, you still are in a
06:48meeting for another position, whether it's linebacker, whether it's running.
06:53I had my boy was in the running back room.
06:57He ain't playing damn player running back.
06:59He was a special teamer.
07:00Cool.
07:01But you're telling me
07:03Mike Morris in Minnesota.
07:07I played with him in Cleveland and he actually played lineman.
07:10He became a long snapper and he was still in the offensive line room.
07:15Yeah, but this guy, you know, maybe for a school that's not
07:18that big, had to be resourceful.
07:20Him to be a long snapper.
07:22No, I know they didn't.
07:23They, they signed.
07:24They he's, he's, he's an offensive line.
07:27Okay.
07:27But think me, hear me out on this Leroy.
07:28If you were an undrafted center, but you also went to the team,
07:32you're like, I'm not going to long snap.
07:34Did it at UTEP.
07:36But he's been playing offensive lineman all camp.
07:39I understand.
07:40But like, if they, if they could get them, you could give a
07:45red says about a long slapper.
07:48Cause listen, Tim is on the team because he's a law.
07:51He's an offensive lineman.
07:52Okay.
07:53But he made the team as an offensive lineman.
07:55Okay.
07:56But Tim Hardaway, he had the UTEP two step.
07:59Maybe Andrew Meyer has the UTEP two snap.
08:01Oh, two types of snap.
08:05Long snap.
08:06Regular snap right now.
08:08I'm closing my eyes and I'm picturing me just choking the
08:12life out of you for being ridiculous.
08:16I don't think it's that ridiculous.
08:17It was just a thought.
08:19Nobody else figured out long snapper.
08:22Dude.
08:24Dude.
08:25It's a possibility because here's the thing.
08:29And I just say collectively, you guys have sat here in this segment
08:34and expose yourselves for knowing very little football.
08:38No, no, no, no, no.
08:42Right.
08:42If you had a kicker who could also punt, right?
08:44Like Matt Bosher back in the day, how much more valuable
08:47would it be if he could do both?
08:48So if you had a center, right.
08:50So if you had a center who could actually long snap, in fact, a lot of punters kick
08:57off fine, I'm not debating that, but I'm just saying, think about the value as
09:01alignment or whomever, make it a backup tenant, make it Tanner Connor.
09:07If they could also snap, doesn't that help?
09:11Wait, do you realize that the long snapper also makes a bolo to tackles?
09:17Okay.
09:17On punt, it becomes more difficult when he's a fat ass offensive lineman.
09:24I'm just telling you, but if he was used to it in college at the time, wait,
09:30there's certain guys, you know, he looks like a long snap, right?
09:34He's like a Titan or linebacker because he can snap, run down and make a tackle.
09:39Okay.
09:39If I take a 310 pound offensive lineman and tell him to snap and run down the
09:44field, how ridiculous is that going to look?
09:47Whatever do the people wrote up there and sprawls because he was small.
09:50That's right.
09:57That's not fat shaming.
10:00Your center weighs 300, three 10.
10:03That's not fat shaming.
10:04He probably weighs 30 or 40 pounds more than the actual long snapper.
10:08I'm just saying it's got to be thought about in sports.
10:12Like we are think about the dolphins had to know.
10:16No, if you could keep an extra running back because you have a, a, a tight end
10:22or a center who can actually long snap.
10:25What?
10:26Why not run long snap with a running back?
10:28Uh, let's not get silly.
10:29Come on.
10:31I mean, you're being silly.
10:32I'm not being silly.
10:35I just thought maybe at a small school, like you had to be
10:37resourceful for long snapping.
10:38Oh, right.
10:40Oh, my goodness.
10:41What do we do?
10:43Do you watch football?
10:44Yeah.
10:45Do you see the body types that are doing these different things?
10:49You know, on punt team, there are no offensive linemen.
10:54You'd realize that, right?
10:55Yes.
10:56Why is that?
10:57We got to run.
10:59So why are you talking about putting an offensive lineman on that squad?
11:03I don't know how good he isn't snapping.
11:05Oh yeah.
11:06What's his 40.
11:10He was on the Remington watch time.
11:13That's what his 40 is.
11:16Are you like, do you watch football?
11:19Yeah.
11:20Are you, do you observe and understand?
11:23You don't think that no, hold on.
11:27When a punt team goes on the field, there are no offensive linemen.
11:33Yeah.
11:33You said that already.
11:34Okay.
11:35Right.
11:36So, but why do you think that, but, but no, let's think why do you think that?
11:42How many tackles did Blake Ferguson have last year?
11:43Marcos?
11:45No, that's a good question.
11:46Good question.
11:46I looked it up right now because I want to know, like, are we, because if you
11:50found somebody who could actually snap, provide you something else for, what
11:54is it, four tackles a year?
11:57Yeah.
12:01A, uh, actually let me tell you his career total tackles.
12:04You ready for this one?
12:06Seven, seven.
12:10Come on Leroy.
12:12And I'm the idiot.
12:13I think I found a loophole.
12:15Hmm.
12:16Oh my goodness.
12:18You, you, I don't think you know.
12:23Hold on.
12:24You know who the first person down the field is 67 games, the long snapper.
12:29You know why?
12:30Tell me why.
12:31Smartass.
12:32Oh, me.
12:32Tell me why the long snap was the first one down.
12:36He knows when to run.
12:37He's got the ball gone.
12:38No, no one blocks.
12:39That's not why that's not why.
12:43Because the other guys on the line can't leave until the balls.
12:46Oh yeah.
12:47So I just said, let's get the headstart.
12:49He knows when to go.
12:50Ah, we just said the same thing.
12:52So why would you have a slow guy there?
12:56Because the slow guy, let me tell you something as a slow guy, myself, nobody,
13:00nobody loves a headstart more than a slow guy.
13:02True.
13:03By the way, Blake Ferguson, 40 was a five.
13:07Pfft.
13:10Shmita makes it a good point.
13:12How are you down to, how are you the first person down the field?
13:14You only have seven tackles.
13:15Was that his career?
13:16Marcos career, career.
13:19I don't think he recorded a tackle last year.
13:21A four year career.
13:22The long snapper has seven tackles and you're sitting here and you're yelling
13:27at me about, Oh, he has to load a tackle.
13:30Most of the tackles, most of the tackles or go to the two gunners.
13:35But if by some chance they miss, you need that guy up front.
13:40Okay.
13:40Well, I'm not making my fictional, uh, hyper snapper here.
13:45I'm not making him a gunner.
13:46So you're making him even, I can't believe I'm having this argument.
13:51I can't believe I can't believe this get into ever.
13:55How am I an idiot for saying we are, we have an inefficient
14:00position here in football.
14:01We have to, we have to snip this roster down to 53.
14:05It's in an efficient position.
14:07Oh yeah.
14:08Oh yeah.
14:09Oh yeah.
14:10Wait, you wanted to vote one for president a couple of years ago.
14:14John Denny.
14:15Yes.
14:15Oh, I love it.
14:19Difference though.
14:20They don't make John Denny's anymore.
14:21They don't make John Denny's anymore.
14:23I'll take that guy.
14:24John Denny was a moose.
14:25They don't make John.
14:26They don't make them like John Denny anymore.
14:28Yeah.
14:30One of the greats.
14:31You're the worst deserves to be in the ring of honor.
14:34Oh, wow.
14:36I don't know why I get so frustrated.
14:39You just make me so like we watch football together.
14:43I understand.
14:44But football changes on me.
14:48It's not a bad reflection on you, man.
14:50You win them every day.
14:51You can't teach them.
14:53I'm like, no.
14:55Okay.
14:56But you wouldn't, you would admit, I mean, sometimes football guys,
14:58you're kind of stuck in your ways.
15:00I mean, like, no, you're kind of stuck.
15:03Now, listen, of course you wouldn't admit that most of the stuff I'm
15:06telling you about is not opinion.
15:09Uh-huh.
15:09Those are facts.
15:12I would like somebody to ask Mike McDaniel.
15:14Do you feel of a long snappers, inefficient use of a roster spot?
15:19Can I tell you that the 40 time of this center, Andrew Meyer
15:26is comparable.
15:28It is damn near the same as Blake Ferguson's 40.
15:31Do you understand that only two 95 Myers with an S or Meyer?
15:37I think it's Andrew Meyer.
15:39Yeah.
15:39Meyer, Meyer, one Meyer, one Meyer.
15:42What?
15:42Let me explain.
15:43Yes.
15:44You do realize that you have a deficiency at offensive lineman.
15:51You need backups on offensive lineman.
15:55No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
15:59Because in two weeks, when the bum to the left of us starts talking about how bad
16:07Eichenberg is, right?
16:10The last thing you want to hear is let's use our long snapper.
16:14Well, he'd be both though.
16:16He'd be our backup center.
16:18For sure.
16:19Well, theoretically in my, in my fictional position, that's not going to happen.
16:23I realized the other guy's coming back, but I just think like, it just
16:26feels like we're doing it wrong.
16:27You know, it's more interesting.
16:29Oscar Meyer, Leroy Tobin is a bucking show pony.
16:34You can't get in line.
16:38I don't understand why this isn't just stupid idea.
16:42It is so stupid, so stupid, Leroy, you are a man who did anything for your
16:49football team, your fullback and running back, you did it all.
16:53It's crazy to think about some fourth string tight end also being able to long
16:59snap, but that's, they're usually tight ends or I understand what they usually
17:05were, but then when they're long snappers, they're long snappers.
17:08I'm saying who does not on the team for anything other than playing offensive
17:14linemen, right?
17:16Well, this guy, yeah.
17:17Make it him or make it Tanner Conner, whomever, but Tanner Conner's a tight
17:21end, but we don't know if he can long snap, but it's, that's more.
17:26If you were to tell me that it would be more believable.
17:29So you like the idea?
17:31So you like the idea?
17:32No, I don't like the idea of an offensive lineman doing it.
17:35I told you when we started, it's usually a linebacker or a tight end.
17:40So just so we're down the field.
17:42So just so we're clear, I don't have a problem with that.
17:46I have a problem with offensive lineman doing it.
17:49So you like telling you that's what I've said since the beginning.
17:53So you like, so you like my idea?
17:56Wow.
17:56You're not having a center, a backup center.
17:59Do it.
17:59No, no, my better.
18:01My, the bigger idea is no more pure long snappers, wasted position.
18:05They don't start off that way though.
18:06They probably came in as a point Leroy.
18:09What they've done now is they've harbored her.
18:11They've taken in the, over this position of you guys need me.
18:14I need to snap long.
18:15We need to find somebody who can do both.
18:17Wait, when it comes to a point, if say somebody like Tanner
18:20Conner is, they really want them on the roster.
18:23Um, I think they have Tanner Conkers.
18:25He can play tight end.
18:26Right.
18:27So that makes it a little unique, but I do believe if it got to the point where
18:33they're paying a lot of money and they go, Hey Tanner, Hey, can you do this?
18:39Cause this is a, you know, we want to keep you, but we want you to do, be able to do both.
18:44Right.
18:44Okay.
18:45All right.
18:46No, the whole argument, the whole argument in it was the fact that you
18:54were trying to do this with a center.
18:57Oh, that was the whole argument.
18:59That was the basis of my argument.
19:01That was the basis for the argument.
19:04I swear to God.
19:04Like I love you to death.
19:05I love you, but you are a child because you can't keep up.
19:09You can't keep up.
19:10The whole basis of my argument was to have a utility man who could do
19:14multiple positions, including long snap.
19:16Make it the center, make it the tight end.
19:17That was the bigger point of my argument.
19:19I said, in the beginning of this, it's normally a linebacker or a tight end.
19:25We started the conversation with that, not a lineman.
19:29And we started off by saying how many linemen are on that front line?
19:33None.
19:34So why would you do it with an offensive lineman?
19:36We had this whole conversation.
19:38What are you talking about?
19:39You dismissed my idea of having somebody do both linemen, anybody.
19:44I said, anybody offensive lineman, you're you're a quibble liar.
19:48We got caught on Meyer.
19:50You're you're boxed in dude.
19:51You're boxed in.
19:52You, you like my idea.
19:53You like my idea.
19:54Oh my goodness.
19:56Oh my God.
19:57Marcos.
19:59Go listen to that in the beginning.
20:01What?
20:02It was all about Meyer.
20:03It wasn't about, Oh my God, you are ridiculous.
20:07You don't listen.
20:08You are not a listener.
20:10Two step.
20:11You have to snap.
20:13That was good.
20:13You'd have to snap is good.
20:14That's good.
20:15Yeah.
20:16You snap.
20:17That means we were talking about Meyer.
20:19He was my initial idea, but I said, you can make it anybody.
20:22My whole point of my argument was having somebody else on the roster.
20:27Marcos.
20:27Yeah.
20:27Soon as we go to break, we're going to listen to this.
20:30And then when we come back, I want you to tell the truth.
20:34I'm not going to say nothing.
20:36I have the memory of 10 minutes ago.
20:37I know what my argument was.
20:39The whole point of my argument was having somebody on the 53 man long
20:42roster who can also long snap.
20:45And I said, not an offensive line.
20:49That's good, dude, dude.
20:51If you would have come back with my argument and you would have said,
20:53what about a tight end?
20:54I would have stopped the debate, but you also said, nah, I can't do it.
20:58Nah, no, you know, you can go, Oh no.
21:01You were so busy on squashing my dreams.
21:04You hated all of it.
21:06You're a bastard.
21:07And also, you don't listen.
21:10That's it.
21:10Okay.
21:13Just wish you guys would stop.
21:16And when we were playing, I don't want you to try to do your low.
21:22If you would have come back, if you literally would have come back, hold on.
21:25I just want to know if you would have come back and said, what about Tanner
21:29Connor would have been my, my, my countable would have been loved.
21:33I did.
21:34I literally did later on.
21:37I said, make it Tanner.
21:39Connors words came out of my mouth.
21:41Original argument was about Meyer doing.
21:44Oh my God.
21:45It was no.
21:48The bigger point of the argument was having somebody else do it here.
21:52Dumb, dumb.
21:54Don't call me.
21:56There's evidence.
21:57We'll go listen to it.
22:00You're going to embarrass yourself.
22:02I'm not going to apologize to you.
22:04The whole point of my argument was to have somebody else do it on 53.
22:07You're going to apologize to me.
22:09No, I'm not going to.