El 19 de abril de 1993, un evento trágico marcó la historia de Estados Unidos cuando fuerzas del FBI asaltaron un rancho en Waco, Texas, resultando en la muerte de David Koresh, líder de la secta de los davidianos, y de 80 de sus seguidores. En este análisis, exploramos los detalles de la tragedia de Waco, sus causas y las lecciones que aún resuenan en la sociedad actual. Este reportaje no solo examina los acontecimientos del asalto, sino también el contexto que llevó a este enfrentamiento entre el gobierno y un grupo religioso. Las decisiones tomadas por el FBI y las estrategias empleadas durante el asalto son temas fundamentales para comprender el impacto de Waco en la política y la sociedad estadounidense.
Además, abordamos los interrogantes que persisten, como las motivaciones de Koresh y la dinámica interna de los davidianos. A través de entrevistas y testimonios, ofrecemos una perspectiva educativa que busca no solo informar, sino también fomentar un debate sobre el papel del gobierno y la libertad religiosa. La historia de Waco es un recordatorio de la complejidad de las relaciones entre el poder estatal y los grupos minoritarios.
Con un enfoque equilibrado y objetivo, este video es esencial para quienes buscan entender mejor este suceso histórico y su repercusión en el presente.
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Además, abordamos los interrogantes que persisten, como las motivaciones de Koresh y la dinámica interna de los davidianos. A través de entrevistas y testimonios, ofrecemos una perspectiva educativa que busca no solo informar, sino también fomentar un debate sobre el papel del gobierno y la libertad religiosa. La historia de Waco es un recordatorio de la complejidad de las relaciones entre el poder estatal y los grupos minoritarios.
Con un enfoque equilibrado y objetivo, este video es esencial para quienes buscan entender mejor este suceso histórico y su repercusión en el presente.
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00:00A cordial greeting, three years ago the television news of the whole world
00:28picked up live some images worthy of cinematographic fiction, it was about the
00:34assault by special forces supported by tanks of a ranch located in the vicinity of the town
00:40of Waco in the North American state of Texas, the assault forces were from the FBI, the assaulted
00:48members of the Davidian sect with their leader David Corrés at the head, the result of the assault
00:55was the death of 80 members of the sect, including its leader. After almost three months of siege,
01:02the final decision was made by Attorney General Janet Reno, who three years later affirms,
01:09with everything I knew, with the best information I could get at that time,
01:14there was no other option. This is part of what is told in the report that today presents
01:20Documentos TV, Waco, analysis of a story, where it is revealed what Janet Reno knew or should have
01:29known before approving a plan that, as I was saying, culminated with the death of David Corrés,
01:33leader of the Davidian sect, and 80 of his followers. The report provides new
01:39documentation with interviews with the characters who experienced the crisis and who clear the
01:44questions that still surround the events that took place in Waco, Texas. Who was David Corrés?
01:52Would he have facilitated the work of the FBI negotiators, a better knowledge of this man?
01:58Was there really an offer from the Davidians to agree on his surrender? Did the FBI tell the truth
02:04when it proposed to Janet Reno to launch tear gas? Was President Clinton involved in the decision-making
02:11process? Waco, analysis of a story, collects the deliberations within the FBI's Operations Center
02:18and the Department of Justice in Washington. The program obtains new information
02:25that explains the unfortunate decision to introduce tear gas into the Davidian sect,
02:30and thousands of pages of the government's files are investigated, hundreds of hours of
02:36recordings of the FBI, dozens of photographs of the autopsies carried out, as well as conversations
02:42recorded not previously revealed between Corrés and the FBI negotiators. The result is
02:49a complete portrait of what happened in Waco and why.
03:06That Sunday morning, while the ATF, the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Control Agency, was preparing the assault on the Davidian sect and their arsenal of weapons,
03:21in its headquarters in Washington, the FBI was creating in Waco, which would soon storm the office.
03:27They were concentrated in New York, where a bomb had just exploded at the World Trade Center.
03:34The biggest terrorist attack in U.S. history.
03:39I was eating lunch when one of the agents notified me from the command center
03:45that something horrible had happened in, I'm not sure where, Waco, Texas.
03:52From the command center in Washington, the news spread to all FBI agents in the country.
03:58When I first heard the news for the first time, I was at home in San Antonio, reading the Sunday newspaper.
04:04Our headquarters told us what had happened in great detail.
04:09I was going from one side to the other of the house, preparing my family to go to mass when the phone rang.
04:14Jeff Yammer asked me to go to Waco as soon as possible.
04:19The FBI went to Waco, where the assault of the ATF agents had become the longest shooting in the history of American police.
04:27Do I speak to Wayne Martin?
04:29Yes.
04:30I hear firearms.
04:31Tell them to withdraw.
04:34What?
04:35Tell them to withdraw.
04:37What's going on here?
04:41The first FBI agents to arrive at the scene heard the frenetic phone conversations between the police and one of the Davidians.
04:50Don't shoot, Wayne, okay?
04:52Tell them to withdraw now.
04:54Just tell them to calm down, we're going to fix this.
04:58The shooting had lasted almost an hour.
05:00They had wounded the special agents and were shot down, like some Davidians, including their leader, David Koresh.
05:08Hey, this is Dave Koresh.
05:10Who says what, sir?
05:11David Koresh, from the center of Monte Carmel. They're screaming at us.
05:15All right, where are you?
05:16Where am I? I'm in the center of Monte Carmel.
05:19All right, wait a second.
05:20Okay.
05:21Tell him, this is Lynch.
05:22Hi, Lynch, I'm David Koresh.
05:24All right, David.
05:25A famous one.
05:26Why did they do that?
05:27They've sent a bunch of guys here.
05:29The FBI had to hear in amazement how Koresh, in the middle of the confrontation, began to preach the Bible.
05:35There are seven prophecies.
05:37All right.
05:38What reward did Christ receive in heaven?
05:40He received a book with seven prophecies.
05:43Now, in the prophecies, it is said that...
05:45All right, excuse me, can I interrupt you for a moment?
05:48All right, we can talk about theology, but right now...
05:50No, it's about life, it's about life and death.
05:53Yes, sir.
05:54Now you have to know that in chapter 32 of Deuteronomy...
05:57All right, but let me ask you this.
05:59At this time...
06:01...the wounded troops of your area in the course of this morning.
06:04Can you go now without being shot?
06:06The ATF agents were outnumbered and had no ammunition left.
06:10The Davidians had a .50 caliber cannon, machine guns, and more than a million bullets.
06:15Wayne, they're going to pick up the man now.
06:17Tell your people not to shoot.
06:19The FBI was listening while the local police were begging them to put out the fire.
06:23Wayne, please, tell them now, let them know.
06:25Don't let anyone shoot them.
06:27All they're going to do is remove the wounded.
06:29Please, insist on that.
06:31Let everyone know.
06:32Don't let anyone start shooting.
06:36Listen, friend.
06:37Yes.
06:38Between you and me, the two men on the roof are dead.
06:40The two?
06:41Almighty God.
06:50Wayne, stay with them.
06:52Don't let anyone shoot.
06:54We're going to give you what you asked for.
06:56Don't let anyone shoot and start all over again.
06:58We've made a lot of progress to spoil it now.
07:01All right?
07:02Work with me, Wayne.
07:04The image was that of a defeated army.
07:10We were beaten.
07:14It's hard for the agents to accept that.
07:19It's hard for the agents to accept that.
07:36The defeat of the ATF was complete.
07:39Waco's crisis would now become that of the FBI.
07:44Lord knows that we all believe we know very well what happened in Waco.
07:49But five months ago, in the basement of a buffet of Texas lawyers,
07:53we discovered Waco's files.
07:557,000 photographs taken by the government,
07:58telephone recordings and hundreds of hours of tape
08:01where the telephone negotiations that had never been revealed to the public were recorded.
08:05Together, they provided an extraordinary, authentic view
08:09of the 51 days of the FBI in Waco
08:12and the violent outcome that ended with the death of 75 Davidianos.
08:16These files reveal the true story of Waco's confrontation,
08:20what went through the heads of the men whose decisions were added to the tragedy.
08:26My name is Jeff Yamara.
08:28I'm the special agent in charge of the FBI operations here in Waco.
08:32According to the FBI procedure, important events such as Waco's
08:35are directed by the highest-ranking agent in the locality of the events,
08:39in this case, Jeff Yard of San Antonio.
08:41It's spelled J-A-M-A-R, and my name is Jeff.
08:45Jeff is a very dynamic commander.
08:47His method of organization is very dominant.
08:50He is a corpulent man, his presence imposes a lot.
08:54If someone, if he presents himself to someone he does not know,
08:58he can intimidate quite a bit.
09:03We responded with the personnel and the necessary equipment.
09:06The only thing that the FBI contributes in a situation like this
09:09are all our resources.
09:11Our hostage rescue team has the support of 10,000 FBI agents,
09:15and everything that comes with it.
09:17And also everything, all the means of our laboratory, all our resources.
09:21I could, I knew I could get anything I needed there.
09:25The FBI sends its elite tactical specialists,
09:28the hostage rescue team, known as the HRT.
09:34By instinct and by training they are inclined to the gun.
09:38A crime has been committed.
09:40I mean murder charges.
09:42And you have to do something about it.
09:44You can not leave these people alone.
09:48Known on some occasions by the name of ninjas,
09:51the HRT's mission will be to surround and secure the complex.
09:54And if necessary, use the force to enter and stop the Davidians.
09:59They take positions about 300 meters from the complex.
10:03About 8 kilometers away,
10:05another FBI team of a very different character is installed in a hangar.
10:11Their orientation is not action, but negotiation.
10:14They are negotiators whose job is to build a climate of trust with the Davidians
10:18and convince them to leave.
10:21It's like being in a submarine where you have no access to the periscope.
10:26A room without windows,
10:28where your only perception of reality is what you hear.
10:33The files show that the negotiators soon discovered
10:36that there were 46 children inside the complex.
10:3946 innocent people and potential shields in case of assault.
10:44So the first thing they tried was to convince Koresh to let the children out.
10:50David, how can we solve this?
10:52How can we save these women and children and ...?
10:56Just give me the coverage.
10:58I'm going to send your message of the writings to the radio station right now.
11:02The negotiators begin to agree with Koresh.
11:05They offer him a radio time to broadcast his message in exchange for the children.
11:09He agrees to release two children every time his two-minute sermon is read on the radio.
11:16Can you give me your word?
11:17Hey, friend, I've given him my word.
11:20So what are we going to do?
11:21They broadcast this message on the radio and one of the agents says,
11:24we can't do that.
11:25How are we going to do it?
11:27And I told them,
11:28you have to read the Bible from the first page to the last on the radio if you release a child.
11:32That's what we'll do.
11:37Tell me word by word what you mean.
11:40Slowly, because I have to write it.
11:42My God who is seated on the throne.
11:44My God who is seated on the throne.
11:50It was electrifying.
11:52The first children who came out,
11:54they were all taken to the negotiating room of the FBI control station.
11:59Some of these children were sitting on the knees of the negotiators
12:03when we called the complex again and they put their phones on to talk to their parents.
12:09They were allowed to talk to David or whoever they wanted.
12:12They were lovely children.
12:14Hi, how are you?
12:15Fine.
12:16As the children are being released,
12:18they call their parents who were inside Mount Carmel.
12:21Are they treating you well?
12:22Yes.
12:23Very well.
12:24Remember what I said.
12:25God is seated on his throne.
12:27Yes.
12:28Cyrus was in that tank.
12:29Have you seen it?
12:30The one that was very big and old.
12:32Yes.
12:33Weren't you nervous?
12:34No.
12:35He gave many votes, but nothing more.
12:37And the men were very nice.
12:39In the next 24 hours, 18 children were released.
12:44The negotiations seemed to be progressing.
12:47However, the FBI, used to bank robbers and political terrorists,
12:51was confused with Cyrus.
12:53There have been some questions.
12:55Are we dealing with a delusional personality or with a conman?
13:00Does this man who is Jesus Christ really think
13:03or is it just a conman who is using religion
13:06to deceive all the people who were inside?
13:10The negotiators decided to go to Cyrus as if he were the Messiah they believed to be.
13:15I'm going to tell you something so you can think about it.
13:17Okay.
13:18The FBI would like to get an important broadcast of your message.
13:24Thanks to the broadcast of Cyrus' message on the local radio,
13:27the release of some children had been achieved.
13:29Based on this, the FBI offers Cyrus a national audience
13:32in exchange for the release of everyone.
13:34Could it be in the program of Ted Koppel or something like that?
13:37I mean something dynamic.
13:39Ted Koppel, who sees that?
13:41We need to get it to people who are religious.
13:45I got in touch with the Christian Broadcasting Network,
13:48who could facilitate not only national but also religious broadcasts,
13:52which we thought could have a double impact on Cyrus.
13:55But if we were going to provide it, we needed to have guarantees.
14:00Very well. And what do you want me to say?
14:02Let him read it again. I promise.
14:05I promise.
14:06That after the broadcast of this tape...
14:10That after the broadcast of this tape,
14:12I will go out peacefully with all the people immediately.
14:20My name is Dave Kores, and I speak to you from the center of Monte Carmel.
14:24The first thing I would like to say...
14:26We worked out a detailed surrender plan.
14:29And that's what you need.
14:31You need a plan, a surrender plan,
14:33because that's what you put in their heads.
14:35If they can visualize,
14:37and these are exactly the words you use,
14:39you can imagine this.
14:41You're going to go out through the main door.
14:43You're going to turn left.
14:45And then the four men, the other children and the women,
14:48will start to advance slowly in groups to help each other.
14:51Everyone I knew had their bags ready,
14:54and we all thought David was going to come out.
14:57There was a lot of crying, prayers, and all that.
15:00It took a long time until everyone could get close to him and give him a hug.
15:04Hey, can you see how things are going? Where is David?
15:06They're praying for him right now.
15:08You need them to come out through the door right now.
15:10Yes, very good. I'll tell them now.
15:12Very good.
15:13The buses were ready to pick up these people.
15:16Everything necessary was ready to offer medical attention
15:19to those who had been injured, for everything.
15:22Jim, this is Steve.
15:23Ah, Steve.
15:24Now we're going to put him on the stretcher.
15:26Steve Snyder is Kores' chief advisor.
15:29We were talking to Steve Snyder when he said,
15:32The kids are all in line.
15:34They've got their coats on, they've got their...
15:37Some of them had little baskets with their lunch and stuffed bears.
15:40They were at the front door, ready to come out.
15:43Steve, we're ready. Come on, let's do it.
15:46Well, I just talked to him and he's very upset.
15:49Everything that's happened to this man, I've never seen anything like it.
15:52But he wants me to remind you to read chapter 2 of the Psalms,
15:55and he's asked me to read chapter 18 of Revelation.
15:58Steve, what does this mean?
16:00Have you ever read the story of Christ,
16:02when he was already crucified on the cross,
16:04and he was dripping with blood because of all the anguish he was suffering?
16:09Can I read Revelation 18 to you?
16:11Just a moment, Steve.
16:12Everything is ready for us to come out right now,
16:15but all of a sudden he's started praying.
16:17He gave us his word.
16:18I know, I'm aware of that.
16:19That after the message is transmitted...
16:21Yes, but what if it's something more powerful than you and me,
16:24what an individual speaks to you? What would you do?
16:26That's the point.
16:27That's the point.
16:28That's why I said we have to be careful who we're dealing with.
16:31Remember that David told the world...
16:33I understand.
16:34...that he was going to come out.
16:35Can I read Revelation 18 to you?
16:37Steve, I want you to come out.
16:38I understand.
16:39When does he intend to come out?
16:41He says that his God has told him that he has to wait.
16:44How long? How long?
16:46Look, I know that you don't believe that in this world
16:49there is a supernatural power that speaks out loud to a person.
16:52Is David a man of his word?
16:54He's always been.
16:55What does confidence mean to you?
16:57Exactly the same as confidence to you.
16:59I have men in my position who are losing confidence in me.
17:02I just have to say that he's a man of his word.
17:05His God has told him that he has to wait.
17:07I was dismayed.
17:08I was ashamed.
17:09I was thinking, now I have to go and tell the commander of the place of the events
17:13that they had completely and absolutely bewitched us.
17:17God told him that he has to wait.
17:19Well, now what? What do we do?
17:21Now we have to form a perimeter.
17:24They were not going to come out.
17:26We had to get the control.
17:28We had to form a perimeter.
17:30And we had to strategically place the people safe.
17:33That would make us seem to have more control.
17:36We placed fake snipers.
17:38Actually, there was no one there.
17:40But it felt like there was.
17:42To be sure, they also put real snipers in their positions.
17:46We are the eyes of the negotiators.
17:48They can't see their centurions cleaning their weapons
17:51in front of the window while they watch us.
17:53And when a person is cleaning his weapon and collecting ammunition,
17:56and we had communicated that,
17:58we know that they are not going to give up.
18:00The hostage rescue team is already beginning to doubt
18:03that they can convince the Davidians to leave the complex.
18:07So this is Jeff Yammer's dilemma.
18:09His tactical men want to use force.
18:11Their negotiators are worried that the deployment of force
18:14will only serve to destroy the fragile trust they are creating with Koresh.
18:18I heard a crack or something like that.
18:20I went through the window and saw one of their tanks crush the crack.
18:23I found it very funny.
18:25What did you say?
18:26The tank just crushed it.
18:28Are you kidding?
18:30I know they've been told not to go near there.
18:33We need to put more pressure on those who are inside.
18:36The more uncomfortable they feel inside,
18:38the more willing they will be to negotiate.
18:41You can't treat a united group
18:43like if it were a group of bank robbers.
18:47Because the measures that can be used
18:49with bank robbers to get them out
18:51only served to unite the Davidians more.
18:54If we look inside a nuclear bomb,
18:57we see that it has a very compact ball of uranium.
19:00And what makes it so powerful is that it is very compact.
19:04The Davidians were a very compact group,
19:07and all we did was to fulfill the maxims
19:09and make the situation more volatile.
19:11Now they want war, don't they?
19:13They want to have it all, don't they?
19:16That's why he's furious.
19:17They lied.
19:18They've been dragging each other here.
19:20That's what the negotiators were afraid of.
19:23The division between the HRT and the negotiators widens.
19:27Oh, yeah, you're acting like a little lamb.
19:29You talk about peace, but you're lying.
19:31Probably, if you asked one of the members
19:34of the rescue team of Rennes
19:36what he thinks of the negotiators,
19:38he would see them as a flock of sloths.
19:42And the negotiators may think
19:45that these men are a little crazy,
19:48in the sense that they just want to get up in the morning
19:51and kick a door, drive a tank.
19:55That there is something a little strange
19:57in a person who likes to do this kind of thing.
20:01Sometimes I would approach the tactical positions
20:04located outside the complex, right in front.
20:08Once there was a painting
20:10in one of the portable annexes in front
20:13that said, Sage is a Davidian.
20:17Obviously, one of the tactical boys had written it.
20:23I was in a position
20:25where we had no annex building.
20:29Well, that would be very symbolic
20:33of the frustration there was.
20:35There was a great frustration.
20:37There was this tremendous abyss
20:39between the negotiators and the tactical team.
20:42I mean, if I had just seen the body language,
20:45they were closed to communication, looking elsewhere.
20:48On the seventh day, without any progress,
20:51Corence didn't even want to answer the phone.
20:54Even when the FBI makes them an offer
20:56that the Davidians desperately need,
20:58like milk for the children.
21:00We told David that if two children come out,
21:02they will get 23 liters of milk.
21:04That simple.
21:05He says that as soon as two children come out,
21:07they will get 23 liters of milk.
21:09Well, he said, kiss my ass.
21:11Well, coming from him, I was expecting something like that.
21:13The FBI uses a method
21:15consecrated by tradition to impose the law.
21:17Now, Corence sees them as bad policemen.
21:20To play the role of a good policeman,
21:22they make the sheriff come to the scene.
21:24They told me that he didn't want to answer the phone
21:26to talk to them.
21:28They asked me to call to see
21:30if I could get him to answer the phone.
21:32I'm not a negotiator,
21:34nor has anyone experienced it.
21:36The only thing I know is how to talk to people.
21:39Now they say they want four more children
21:41before giving us the milk.
21:43Well, it would be useful if they were sent the milk.
21:45The children, of course.
21:47I will try.
21:48Now what I wanted was to sit down and talk to you.
21:50Finally, the milk is delivered.
21:54No child is released.
21:57The failure has not been absolute.
21:59The FBI places very small hearing aids
22:02hidden in the bottom of the milk cartons,
22:04wrapped in polystyrene foam.
22:07Raquel, let's see if you keep those children under control.
22:10They're not going to sing that today.
22:13It was very risky.
22:15We could introduce them,
22:17but we didn't know where they were going to end up.
22:19There was one that worked for a long time
22:21and that, in fact, was very useful.
22:23It was in the room where Corence was.
22:26We have to send more men up
22:28and blow their heads off.
22:30Ten days had already passed
22:32and little progress had been made.
22:34The first two days belong to the negotiators.
22:36You have to give them the opportunity to get it.
22:40But the longer you have to wait for the tactical team,
22:43the less chances of success there are.
22:45Time runs in favor of the people who are inside.
22:48The deadline is ten days.
22:50Normally, these kinds of events end after ten days.
22:53If you think about it, if you think about all those crisis situations,
22:56you realize that it is a very long time.
22:58So on the tenth day,
23:00the special agent in charge, Yammer,
23:02cuts the electricity inside the building.
23:07That night we were going to be at minus six degrees.
23:10The idea was that if we were going to be cold in the dark,
23:13they were going to be cold in the dark too.
23:15Well, when I heard this morning
23:17that you had cut the electricity,
23:19I said, forget about those guys, leave it.
23:21The disadvantage was significant.
23:23We were going to be inside the building
23:26I'll be honest with you, John.
23:28I'm not even interested in anything you have to say today.
23:31Again, Koresh stops communicating,
23:33and the next day Yammer orders him
23:35to reconnect the electricity.
23:37Koresh is in charge.
23:39The FBI comes to take control,
23:41and they can't do anything
23:43other than infuriate this man.
23:45So what do you do?
23:47I don't know.
23:49I don't know.
23:51I don't know.
23:53So what do you do?
23:56I'm David Koresh.
23:58Steve Snyder is recording.
24:00It's four thirty in the afternoon.
24:02What Jeff Yammer is doing is going back to his negotiators.
24:05They want Koresh to record a video tape.
24:07David, say what you want.
24:09We just thought we'd break the ice a little
24:11and let people see exactly
24:13what kind of people we have here.
24:15But I'd like to start with my eldest daughter.
24:17Her name is Star.
24:19Come, sit down here, daughter.
24:22Come sit over here, son.
24:24We sent the camera in
24:26to try to get some information.
24:28First of all, we wanted to see
24:30what the children looked like.
24:32We also wanted to determine
24:34if the children had clean hair or not.
24:36If they have clean hair,
24:38do they need water?
24:40No.
24:42How old are you?
24:44Seven?
24:46Say hello to everyone.
24:48Do you have faith in God?
24:51Yes, this is our little girl, Paige.
24:53It's a charm, isn't it?
24:55I sat for hours
24:57watching the tapes of David Koresh
24:59and the children who sat in his lap.
25:01I wanted to get to know Koresh,
25:03but I also wanted to get to know the children
25:05and know the potential danger
25:07that those children were in
25:09if we decided to use force.
25:11Put on Daddy's face.
25:13You're my love, baby, aren't you?
25:15David took the maximum advantage of the situation.
25:17This is a good example.
25:19We sent this in to get something
25:21and he sent it out to get something.
25:23We sent it in to get information
25:25and he sent it out to manipulate us.
25:27We both achieved our goal.
25:29What would you like to do today?
25:31Go to the swings.
25:33Go to the swings?
25:35Say hello.
25:37I saw the ability that Koresh had
25:39to use the children.
25:41That is, I saw psychological warfare
25:43on his part when using the videotape.
25:45I saw the total innocence of the children.
25:51I saw David Koresh
25:53and the other Davidians
25:55totally abdicating their responsibility
25:57as parents,
25:59and I don't think there is
26:01anything more important than that.
26:03I think they abdicated their responsibility
26:05for their children
26:07and I think it's a real mistake.
26:09I think it's a real mistake.
26:11I think it's a real mistake.
26:13I think it's a real mistake.
26:43Why don't you come and sing with me?
26:45Maybe one day they'll come back
26:47and sing with us.
26:49I love you, Mina.
26:51In addition to being
26:53hindered in Waco,
26:55the FBI was also
26:57undergoing unprecedented
26:59turbulence in its dome.
27:01Its director,
27:03William Sessions,
27:05was under siege,
27:07fighting against
27:09indecorous conduct
27:11and an open insurrection
27:13of his senior staff.
27:15The situation was no calmer
27:17in the Department of Justice
27:19than the FBI.
27:21President Clinton had already lost
27:23his first two candidates
27:25to the Attorney General.
27:29On the thirteenth day
27:31of the Waco crisis,
27:33his third election swore his office.
27:35Janet Reno
27:37was a stranger to Washington,
27:39a stranger to the bureaucratic intrigue
27:41of the city.
27:43She was practically alone
27:45in front of the Department of Justice
27:47that she now ran.
27:49On her first day at work,
27:51she inherited the Waco crisis
27:53and that of the FBI.
27:55She had no confidence in Director Sessions.
27:57She felt that she had to resign
27:59to stop embarrassing the president.
28:01The situation was complicated.
28:03She treated him with respect,
28:05but at the same time
28:07he did not leave.
28:09That added to the difficulties
28:11of the moment.
28:17Back in Waco,
28:19nothing new.
28:21In these situations,
28:23there are many moments of inactivity.
28:25We sat down to have coffee and said,
28:27my God, damn it,
28:29this is ...
28:31where is this going?
28:37The Davidians were well equipped,
28:39well prepared,
28:41planning to eat.
28:43In the FBI,
28:45the only thing we had to eat
28:47was basically pizza.
28:49Practically,
28:51the negotiating team of the hostages
28:53became a hostage
28:55of the Davidian resistance.
28:59First of all,
29:01the ninjas are restless.
29:03If you are a teacher
29:05and you see a boy who is behaving badly,
29:07how many times are you going to ask him
29:09to stop before taking another measure?
29:11And we asked him,
29:13and they just didn't come out.
29:15So sooner or later you have to do something.
29:17If they went back
29:19and left these people a day or two
29:21at least to reflect
29:23on what is happening,
29:25they may discover some different options.
29:27But this kind of tactics
29:29they are showing us the ass,
29:31they have cheated us.
29:33Sometimes our superiors
29:35in Washington
29:37and even some here
29:39do not always understand what is happening.
29:41Kilometers away,
29:43in their isolated position,
29:45the negotiators are desperate.
29:47Hoping to re-establish contact with Koresh,
29:49they make their own family video.
29:51Gary has mentioned
29:53that we are all parents.
29:55I feel proud of mine.
29:57I can deduce from the tapes and conversations
29:59with you that you are also proud of yours.
30:01Here I have a picture of my son.
30:03When you look at the picture
30:05of course it looks like his father.
30:07I also have a family.
30:09We all have families and we are worried about yours.
30:11More than 20 different negotiators
30:13tried and failed
30:15to get the Davids out.
30:17So Yamar calls again
30:19the only negotiator who seems to be able
30:21to get to Koresh.
30:23Let me ask you, David, man to man,
30:25what can we do
30:27to get things going
30:29so you can tell those agents
30:31that as an American citizen
30:33someone has invaded my property
30:35and they are going to kick some asses.
30:37Is it going to be my ass or yours?
30:39What can I do?
30:41Tell me, because I am just
30:43an old serif from town.
30:45If you had not called us
30:47and said you had an arrest warrant,
30:49I would have met you in the city.
30:51David, I've been up all night
30:53thinking about this,
30:55and what I would really like
30:57I wanted to meet with Vernon,
30:59but he was injured.
31:01He could not leave the complex
31:03and I was not allowed to enter it.
31:05We decided to try something
31:07that, as a negotiation teacher,
31:09I say that it should only be done
31:11as a last resort.
31:13Organize a face-to-face negotiation.
31:19Am I nervous?
31:21Of course, I am very nervous.
31:23We know that this is a dangerous situation.
31:25If someone inside the complex
31:27decides to act on their own,
31:29I'm dead, Jack is dead.
31:33And we have another February 28th.
31:37We pulled down the driveway.
31:39I'm looking out the window
31:41wondering when this is going to end,
31:43if we are going to go and knock on the door.
31:45We are already more than half way
31:47when the Bradley finally stops.
31:51Wayne, this is Byron Sage.
31:53We talked to you on Sunday night.
31:57I have sound headphones.
31:59I have microphones, recorders,
32:01everything glued with tape
32:03to my body.
32:05I put on my son's blue Nike jacket
32:07because it was the biggest
32:09I could find.
32:11So I got ahead of myself
32:13being unprotected from the Bradley
32:15and it was the longest step
32:17I've ever taken.
32:19I don't understand why we don't have...
32:21The hostage rescue team
32:23is vigilant and prepared.
32:25I'm covering them with my gun
32:27and we're telling ourselves
32:29that this would be an ideal opportunity
32:31to get some of the heads out.
32:33To catch them.
32:35Because they were, I don't know,
32:37ten meters from the back of the Bradley.
32:39You just had to get them out,
32:41grab them, drag them, expose them
32:43and you're under arrest.
32:45That easy.
32:47I don't know.
32:49I don't know.
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35:37He had a small orchestra in there,
35:39and suddenly the music started playing,
35:41and we were about 200 meters away,
35:43and we had to shout at each other
35:45to hear each other.
35:47That lasted several hours.
35:49This concert, a rock concert,
35:51was simply showing us
35:53that their speakers were more powerful than ours.
36:03Hello.
36:05Yes, hello.
36:07Now it looks pretty sure that Oliver is going out.
36:09That's wonderful.
36:11On March 21st,
36:13surprise, more Davidians are coming out.
36:17On the 21st,
36:19we got seven people out.
36:21Something very significant
36:23from the point of view of the negotiation
36:25was the highest number of people
36:27we got out.
36:29But to call seven is not enough.
36:31They're going to do it.
36:33They're going to do it.
36:35They're going to do it.
36:37They're going to do it.
36:39They're going to do it.
36:41They're going to do it.
36:43They're going to do it.
36:45They're going to do it.
36:47They're going to do it.
36:49They're going to do it.
36:51They're going to do it.
36:53They're going to do it.
36:55They're going to do it.
36:57They're going to do it.
36:59They're going to do it.
37:01And that directly contradicted
37:03the efforts of the negotiators.
37:05Was that a mistake?
37:07From the point of view of the negotiation,
37:09I think it was an abysmal mistake.
37:11As David says,
37:13that's not true.
37:15Whenever we reach an agreement with you,
37:17something like that happens.
37:19I spoke to David and he said...
37:21Well, he just told me right now.
37:23No one is going to come out.
37:25Nobody?
37:27The exodus of the Davidians' complex
37:29Sage continues to press to reach a negotiated solution.
37:31But deep down,
37:33his anger and pessimism towards the negotiations
37:35and David Koresh is increasing.
37:39David Koresh said that
37:41these people can come out whenever they want.
37:43They're free to leave at any time.
37:45He had them...
37:47Remember, he had them totally and completely convinced,
37:49deceived,
37:51that he was their messiah.
37:53And for them to come out,
37:55they were supposed to go through
37:57what he called an exit interview.
37:59That is, that you or I,
38:01before we were allowed to leave,
38:03we would have to go and talk to David.
38:05You're free to leave,
38:07but realize that if you leave,
38:09you'll leave your eternal salvation here.
38:11You're going to leave wherever the beast is,
38:13but that's your decision.
38:15You're free to leave.
38:17Now, how many people are going to run out the door?
38:19Obviously, very few.
38:21Sage and the negotiators
38:23had followed the rules of the game of Koresh,
38:25insisting that his messianic attitude was sincere.
38:27Now, desperate,
38:29Sage decides to find out once and for all
38:31if Koresh really believes that he is Christ.
38:33You haven't kept your word.
38:35That's a lie.
38:37No, it's not.
38:39That's a lie.
38:41That's a fact.
38:43How will he know on the day of the final judgment?
38:45You know as well as I do that your challenge
38:47to reveal the seven prophecies is a scam.
38:49It's a false hope, and you know it.
38:51No, it's not.
38:53David, my personal commitment,
38:55my faith, and my personal salvation,
38:57you're not in a position to attack.
38:59I tell him that I am absolutely sure
39:01of my salvation,
39:03and that he is not in a position
39:05to challenge that.
39:07Now, if anyone were in a position
39:09to challenge my faith as a Christian,
39:11it would be someone
39:13who considers himself Christ.
39:15He does not adopt that position.
39:17From that point forward,
39:19I had no idea at all
39:21of what we were dealing with.
39:25This guy is not an illusion.
39:27He did not have a messianic complex,
39:29and he does not believe
39:31in his own scams.
39:35The siege lasted 23 days.
39:3723 days between two opposite solutions,
39:39negotiating or acting.
39:43Jamar, the special agent in charge,
39:45has opted for action.
39:47He clearly tells Sage that it is decided.
39:49Byron Sage,
39:51the most visible negotiator,
39:53recommends an escalation
39:55of the tactical measures,
39:57including tear gas.
39:59Have you decided it?
40:01Absolutely.
40:03I understand that recommending tear gas
40:05is a somewhat radical measure
40:07coming from the negotiation team,
40:09but we have been, how many?
40:1123 days of siege,
40:13and we have managed to get a child out
40:15since March 5.
40:17The rescue team has a plan,
40:19and is prepared.
40:21It is simple, aggressive and fast.
40:23Under cover of darkness,
40:25they would take the complex
40:27with Bradley tanks and gases.
40:29The Davidians, overwhelmed,
40:31would have to leave.
40:33They are ready to act,
40:35but first, the plan must be approved
40:37in Washington.
40:39The files reveal that it would cost them
40:41great effort for the Attorney General
40:43to approve the plan to use tanks
40:45and tear gas on children.
40:47Janet Reno had a reputation
40:49of being a fervent lawyer for children.
40:53And on Monday, April 12,
40:55she said no to the plan to use gases.
40:57The FBI did not applaud.
40:59They went back to the Attorney General.
41:01The plan is too aggressive,
41:03she said.
41:05Then they softened it a bit.
41:07She was worried that the Davidians
41:09would use the children as shields.
41:11If they did, the FBI promised to withdraw.
41:13What worried her the most
41:15was that the gas could harm
41:17the children irreversibly.
41:19A military expert assured her
41:21that the gas was harmless.
41:23For five days, the FBI
41:25tried to eliminate their objections.
41:27After the Huaco fire,
41:29Reno would declare over and over
41:31that he authorized the plan
41:33to use gases because they were
41:35abusing the children.
41:37We had reports where it was reflected
41:39that they had sexually abused them
41:41The first time I heard about this,
41:43I ordered it to be verified,
41:45and again the report insisted on the same thing.
41:47When she said,
41:49they told me they were abusing the children,
41:51I answered, how are they abusing the children?
41:53Do you mean they take the children and beat them?
41:55Yes, they told me they were abusing the children.
41:57Then you'll have to say who told her that,
41:59of course not me.
42:01She says she doesn't remember.
42:03Yes, it was so impressive,
42:05something that impressed her tremendously.
42:07Then she is responsible for what she said.
42:09When the FBI found Frontline,
42:11they confirmed that the office was
42:13pressuring Reno to approve the plan.
42:15Someone from the FBI told her
42:17that in Huaco they were abusing the children.
42:19But the FBI knew that the children
42:21were not being abused during the confrontation.
42:25When she said they had told her
42:27that they were abusing the children,
42:29according to her, and so they had informed her,
42:31Wes Hubble told me that he heard
42:33how they told her, did you tell her that?
42:35No.
43:05Of course not, never.
43:07If I did, I would be sentenced to eternity.
43:09Suicide case?
43:11Oh, no, no, no, no, never.
43:13These are people who love life and respect it.
43:15When we asked Cores
43:17if they would consider suicide,
43:19the answer was
43:21survival and the future.
43:25But there were warning signs.
43:27I did everything I could
43:29to alert the people
43:31I thought were Cores
43:33and I thought he was dragging us
43:35into a trap
43:37he had set for us.
43:39I said, you don't understand.
43:41This guy is not going to come out.
43:43And if we continue
43:45with what we are doing,
43:47they are all going to die inside that compound.
43:49Oh, the Lord will come with fire.
43:51The cars will be torches,
43:53He will burn us with flames of fire.
43:55When the Davidians spoke of death,
43:57they often referred to fire.
43:59Don't burn the building.
44:01Do you have means to fight fire?
44:03Do you have fire extinguishers?
44:05I think there must be one.
44:07The FBI knows that Monte Carmel
44:09is a deadly trap in the event of a fire.
44:11Part of our job was to refer
44:13descriptions of each section of the building.
44:15It was very poorly built.
44:17It rose quickly.
44:19Sometimes we could even see
44:21through a door of an open window
44:23and we saw hay or straw piled up in the corridors.
44:25There was clothing spread over the floor.
44:27This place could really burn like hell.
44:29Even so, incredibly,
44:31the FBI had not developed any plan
44:33for the protection of fires
44:35when the gases were fired at the complex.
44:37Nowhere in the 568-page assault plan
44:39presented to Janet Reno
44:41and which she signed
44:43are measures against fires.
44:45The FBI is not concerned about fire
44:47and is not prepared to fight any.
44:53Sunday night, April 18.
44:55The attack is scheduled
44:57for the morning of the next day.
44:59The Davidians have no idea
45:01what's coming at them.
45:03That night, when I tried to fall asleep,
45:05I thought...
45:07I didn't think the gas would get us out.
45:11I feared for a collective suicide
45:13and I saw everything
45:15exploding in our faces
45:17and those kids dying.
45:21It's really interesting the way
45:23my mind works.
45:25I didn't expect any of that,
45:27but it was time to do it,
45:29to take action.
45:35It was still dark when we set off.
45:37Soon there would be light and we could see,
45:39but it was dark,
45:41so they couldn't see us.
45:45I go up to what we call Sierra Uno Alfa,
45:47which was just across the street
45:49from the complex,
45:51and at 5.59 in the morning
45:53I call the complex.
45:55My heart's in my throat
45:57and I'm hoping
45:59that everything goes well.
46:01We've had enough.
46:03Let's get out.
46:05Steve,
46:07this is Byron Sage.
46:09We're in the process of throwing tear gas
46:11into the building.
46:13This is not an assault.
46:15We're not entering the building.
46:17Everybody put on their masks.
46:19We knew they had a lot of gas masks.
46:23We knew they had a lot of automatic weapons.
46:29I began to hear the shots early
46:31and that first vehicle
46:33that was carrying the gas
46:35seemed to be on fire
46:37because of the amount of bullets
46:39that were bouncing on it.
46:43The FBI had told General Prosecutor Janet Reno
46:45that they were planning
46:47to use tear gas slowly
46:49for a period of 48 hours
46:51to force the Davidians to leave.
46:53However, the shooting
46:55showed that the Davidians
46:57were not willing to leave
46:59and the rules now allowed the FBI
47:01to make a spectacular escalation of the operation.
47:03They would use all the gas in two hours.
47:05Are there more masks there?
47:09I could hear people talking.
47:11That's why I knew they didn't have
47:13their gas masks on.
47:15They didn't want to leave the complex.
47:19That early morning,
47:21the meteorological service had warned
47:23of strong winds in the Waco area.
47:25The FBI ignored it
47:27and now a gust of wind
47:29of almost 47 km per hour
47:31was deflecting the gas out of the building.
47:33So the rescue team
47:35advances the tanks inside the building
47:37trying to corner the Davidians.
47:39They expect the women and children
47:41to run to a school bus
47:43Our theory was to get in
47:45that gas area
47:47that led to the underground bus
47:51to avoid getting in there
47:53by making them go to the corridor
47:55so they wouldn't run into the bus
47:57where they would have
47:59an even more defensible position
48:01than they already had.
48:03The women and children
48:05ended up in a bunker
48:07under the tower
48:09where they stored weapons and ammunition.
48:13From the air,
48:15the FBI infrared radar
48:17offers the clearest view
48:19of how the fire started
48:21almost simultaneously
48:23in three different sections of the complex.
48:25Move towards the sound of the speakers
48:27if you can't see.
48:29David, don't do this to your people.
48:31Be a messiah, not a destroyer.
48:33During the course of the morning
48:35we had given them specific instructions.
48:37With the fire,
48:39they became supplications
48:41and continued until the end
48:43in what was going to be
48:45half an hour of pure anguish.
48:47I had to turn my back
48:49physically to the monitor
48:51and concentrate
48:53on what I was trying to communicate
48:55to these people
48:57because until then
48:59not a single person
49:01had come out.
49:05We were waiting
49:07for some sign from God
49:09and now what do we do?
49:11Even Wayne Martin
49:13had his back on the wall
49:15he let himself slip
49:17until he was sitting on the floor
49:19and said,
49:21what do you think we should do?
49:23We wait to see what God says
49:25and when we want to realize
49:27he was surrounded by smoke and flames.
49:29The first thing I thought
49:31was that I was burning
49:33the crime scene
49:35and I expected people to come out.
49:37If the place is on fire,
49:39they will come out.
49:41That is, we expected it immediately
49:43and when they didn't
49:45it was horrible.
49:47We had a feeling of absolute horror.
49:49I think
49:51almost all of us there
49:53had the same reaction.
49:57We were all there in the control room
49:59and you could see
50:01the expression on everyone's faces
50:03when they saw
50:07that they didn't see anyone coming out
50:09and someone said,
50:11why aren't they coming out?
50:15Where are the kids?
50:37Only 9 of the 84 Davidians
50:39were able to escape the flames.
50:43At some point
50:45I threw myself
50:47and fell on a plasterboard.
50:49I looked over my shoulder
50:51I had just crossed this hole
50:53I looked back
50:55and this hole was on fire
50:57and I said,
50:59my God, I'm the only one who came out.
51:01I couldn't believe it
51:03and I thought,
51:05nobody came out.
51:07It was incredible.
51:09So the only thought was
51:11that they had gone to the bus
51:13and that now they were there.
51:15We immediately started
51:17clearing the area of debris
51:19to get to the bus.
51:21Six minutes after the fire
51:23Yamar warns the firefighters
51:25but for fear of being shot at
51:27he keeps them on the perimeter.
51:29I remember saying to them
51:31they won't come in
51:33and that took several minutes.
51:39Once the fire trucks
51:41came in
51:43we were hoping to get
51:45to where the bus was
51:47and see where the kids were.
51:49That was the urgency,
51:51to see if there were survivors,
51:53mainly kids, on that bus.
51:55The rescue team made a great effort
51:57to get to the bus,
51:59to the bus that was buried.
52:01I got there around 12.30.
52:05Basically in shock.
52:09The first thing I asked
52:11was where the kids were.
52:15Nowhere.
52:19What do you mean by nowhere?
52:21They had not come out.
52:23They'd been consumed.
52:31The ground took a week
52:33to cool enough
52:35to allow a careful examination
52:37of the evidence.
52:39The testimony of the experts
52:41in the eyes of Congress
52:43seemed to show
52:45that the Davidians set the fires.
52:49The tapes that recorded
52:51the hidden microphones
52:53in the morning of the fire
52:55were the decisive evidence.
53:01Anyone in the car already?
53:07How did the Davidians die?
53:09Was Huaco a collective suicide?
53:11There are several medical answers.
53:17David Correz died
53:19of a bullet wound.
53:21He had only one bullet wound
53:23on his forehead.
53:25His lieutenant, his collaborator
53:27and his partner, Snyder,
53:29and his superior.
53:31In total, 20 people died
53:33of bullet wounds that day.
53:35There were about six bodies
53:37on the surface
53:39and about 27 buried
53:41between the ammunition,
53:43literally up to the hip.
53:45The bodies were tangled
53:47and all these were women and children.
53:49They were hugged.
53:51Some were covered with blankets
53:53and others had masks.
53:55Almost all died
53:57because they had killed
53:59with a shot and another child
54:01was stabbed to death.
54:07You can't escape the judgment
54:09that Huaco was a monumental failure
54:11for the FBI.
54:13Now it seems incredible
54:15that the FBI decided to send tanks
54:17and tear gas to a building
54:19full of children.
54:21But they had never met
54:23anyone like David Correz.
54:25He ignored
54:27what they told him,
54:29laughed at their tactics
54:31and finally led them to a path
54:33whose imminent danger
54:35they could not see.
54:37Perhaps the biggest failure
54:39of the FBI was to let him
54:41write the last act.
54:43The report that you have just seen,
54:45Huaco, analysis of a story,
54:47ended with Correz affirming
54:49that this operation was possibly
54:51one of the biggest failures
54:53of the FBI.
54:55Today, federal agents take into account
54:57what happened three years ago
54:59in another scenario,
55:01in a ranch in a remote town
55:03in Montana, where for a few weeks
55:05a group has been armed
55:07to the teeth.
55:09It is a militia that processes
55:11a kind of right-wing anarchism
55:13that rejects the authority
55:15of the United States,
55:17refuses to pay taxes
55:19or to have license plates
55:21in the superiority
55:23of the white race.