24 Hours in Police Custody S00E15 The Honeytrap Murder Part.1 (20th March 2023)
24 Hours in Police Custody S00E15 The Honeytrap Murder Part.1 Original air date - (20th March 2023)
A man is found stabbed to death and naked in a block of flats in Luton. Did he step into a honey trap, lured by sex but set up to be violently robbed?
A man is found stabbed to death and naked in a block of flats in Luton. Did he step into a honey trap, lured by sex but set up to be violently robbed?
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00:00And what's your favourite drink when you did drink?
00:17You've got to have a drink with me though, right?
00:21Yeah, most definitely, man.
00:24Yeah, I only drink like this, you know.
00:27Only straight as well.
00:29Anything else makes me feel sick.
00:32I drink rum.
00:34But I can fuck with Henny as well.
00:37Not a problem.
00:40You drink it straight?
00:41Yeah, you are crazy.
00:48Alright, cool.
00:49Seeing as we're doing like weird questions, I've got one for you as well.
00:54Have you slept with an Asian, Italian, coolie girl before?
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02:04Guys!
02:05Get on the floor!
02:07This is your opportunity.
02:08Just talk to me.
02:09They have lifted prints.
02:11Are they gonna be yours?
02:12Every minute that's taken away is evidence you're losing.
02:23Hello?
02:24Hello, it's the ambulance service here.
02:27Yes.
02:28We had a call from the police to say that you've found somebody...
02:31Yes, I did.
02:33OK, one minute.
02:34So just confirm, is the patient breathing?
02:37No, he did not breathe, actually.
02:39He's not breathing.
02:46My name is John.
02:47My name is John.
02:48My name is John.
02:49My name is John.
02:50My name is John.
02:51Yeah, yeah.
02:52Oh, thank you, it's gonna be in there.
02:56The dead man is Saul Murray.
02:59He has just moved into the property
03:01after serving five and a half years in prison
03:04for assault and possession of a firearm.
03:06You all right, guys?
03:07All we've done is, we've literally just walked in,
03:10we've found...
03:11We've found him here.
03:12It's clearly that it's happened in the room in there.
03:14He's gonna say, have you made him traumatised?
03:16No, no, no.
03:17He's been dead for a couple of hours.
03:19All right, OK.
03:20Have you been through the whole address
03:22or have you just been through...
03:23All we've done is just check in here.
03:25We followed the blood trail back to the room.
03:27There's that room on the right-hand side down there
03:29where it's absolutely covered in claret.
03:31Two, we've got a confirmed deceased male in the front room.
03:35Could you get the OFC on channel, please?
03:37Right.
03:42It's gonna be seen.
03:44One on the right.
03:45Yes, yes.
03:46Right, just hold this.
03:47Where have you got to?
03:49To this room here.
03:51Armed officers search the flats for the attacker
03:54and to check if anyone else is injured.
04:00Stay tight.
04:01Is anyone else in here armed?
04:02Have you been in here on yourself?
04:04Hold on, mate.
04:05Show me your hands.
04:06Show me your hands.
04:07Armed police, show me your hands.
04:09Just come out this way.
04:10OK.
04:11We've got him.
04:12We've got him.
04:13We've got him.
04:14Just come out this way.
04:17Just come straight out.
04:18Come straight out.
04:19Straight out, straight out.
04:20Come straight out.
04:21Just go over here for a minute.
04:25Just lead on and on and on.
04:26Right, hold it.
04:27I'm just gonna work backwards, OK?
04:29Stay in there.
04:30Armed police, come to the door now.
04:32Nothing in your hands.
04:37First door on the left is clear.
04:38One is clear.
04:39OK?
04:40Just hold there.
04:41Number two, armed police, come to the door.
04:43Nothing in your hands now.
04:51Abi.
04:55My room.
04:56That's my room.
04:57That's it.
04:58Up.
05:07Oh, fuck it, Al.
05:08Goes on and on.
05:11Shower room.
05:12Right.
05:13OK.
05:14What I want...
05:15It's a bit of a labyrinth, this place, isn't it?
05:17So let's have a slow walk through, make sure we haven't missed anywhere.
05:23With no suspects found at the scene...
05:28..the case is handed to the Major Crime Unit.
05:36I've joined the police to lock away criminals.
05:42I would like the world to be a nicer place for my children
05:46to grow up in.
05:48That does drive me on.
05:55I think, as a mum, it's always hard not to actually put yourself
06:00in other people's positions.
06:04Every murder victim is loved by someone,
06:09whether that's a parent or a partner.
06:19Look at the amount of blood in there.
06:21It's, like, it's all up there.
06:23You really need... It's just squirting out, isn't it?
06:25Yeah, everywhere.
06:26When a murder first lands, you know, there's pressure.
06:30The weight of responsibility is massive.
06:32It is huge.
06:33Somebody's lost their life and, potentially,
06:35the people that are responsible are going to go to prison
06:38for a long time as well and lose their life.
06:40So it's important that I do a really good job.
06:43If you look, look at that.
06:45I mean, there's huge amounts there.
06:48But that's a lot of blood.
06:51And it's arterial blood as well, isn't it?
06:53So it's going to be darker.
06:55So something's been going on in there, hasn't it?
06:59They haven't just done it and run out.
07:01Do you have the keys?
07:02I have all the flats.
07:03Where are the keys?
07:04For all the flats.
07:05Do you have them with you now?
07:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:07Do you need the keys for the CCTV?
07:09Yeah, we can just...
07:10Is it easy to operate?
07:11Yeah, yeah, it's straight.
07:12I've got the keys here.
07:13Do you have the keys?
07:14I have all the flats.
07:15Do you have them with you now?
07:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:17Do you need the keys for the CCTV?
07:19Yeah, we can just...
07:20Is it easy to operate?
07:21Yeah, yeah, it's straight.
07:22I've got the keys here.
07:31CCTV reveals the victim entering the property with two females,
07:35six hours before he was found dead in the hallway.
07:39These girls have been in the property for about four hours
07:43and then you see one of the girls go out,
07:45sort of stand out the front.
07:53You can see that the door's been propped open with a broom.
07:57So this door normally shuts,
07:59so only the residents can get in and out.
08:01They've propped it open.
08:02There was two brooms down this side.
08:04So this is the two offenders coming in.
08:09So they're in there for about ten minutes.
08:12So here's one of the girls coming out, look.
08:18The men come after this as well.
08:22So you see he's got the big knife in his hand.
08:25He's got the knife in his hand.
08:27He's got the knife in his hand.
08:29He's got the knife in his hand.
08:31He's got the knife in his hand.
08:33He's got the big knife in his hand.
08:35Yeah, he's got something in his hand, doesn't he?
08:38It looks like a knife pointing out.
08:42In a second, this is our victim, bless him.
08:46He's bleeding quite heavily from the leg there.
08:49It's the stab wound within his femoral artery.
08:52So he's essentially like bled out.
09:03It's fairly, you know, decent-quality CCTV.
09:06Yeah.
09:07Those girls are definitely going to get picked out.
09:10Yeah.
09:13Police recover Saul Murray's phone and download its contents.
09:19The information that we can get from a phone is massive
09:22because it tells us lots about what's going on,
09:25what's going on behind closed doors,
09:27what's going on behind closed doors,
09:29what's going on behind closed doors.
09:31Because it tells us lots about an individual and their lifestyle.
09:35When we started looking at his download,
09:37we could see the final communications that he'd had via WhatsApp.
09:41He was in a phone call with a number.
09:44Once we started doing some research into that phone number,
09:47it was identified as belonging to Sir Preet Dhillon.
09:58Is that the first contact?
10:00Yeah, this is the first contact that's on his download.
10:03These are the WhatsApp conversation earlier in the evening
10:06between Saul Murray and Sir Preet Dhillon, the blue and the red.
10:10Yeah, hey, babe, what are you doing tonight?
10:12I'm meant to be going to meet my girl in your area today.
10:15Are you busy?
10:16And he says he's free until about one-ish.
10:18They just have a little discussion
10:20about whether they're going to have any drinks
10:22and he says, yeah, why not?
10:23She asks for his postcode.
10:25He sends her the postcode.
10:27It's clear that she had arranged to meet him.
10:30I've never had an internet date or anything,
10:32so I don't really know how it works,
10:34but that's how people meet nowadays, is via the internet,
10:37and people can sell a lie that way, can't they?
10:40They can purport to be somebody that they're not.
10:43Sir Preet Dhillon, she's got four proofs, convictions,
10:47but three offences.
10:49Free fraud, making false representation
10:52to make gain for herself or another,
10:54and failing to say the truth.
10:56Making gain for herself or another
10:58and failing to surrender to custody.
11:00Possessing, without exemption,
11:02a pit bull terrier, Japanese, Tosa or other
11:05designated fighting dog.
11:07Possessing a prohibited weapon being a disguised firearm.
11:13She was imprisoned for 12 months,
11:15suspended for 24 months.
11:17She's the one that initiated
11:19the meet-up and the conversation,
11:21and she's the one that's propped open the door
11:25to allow the two guys access.
11:29Her partner's in prison,
11:31quite a violent individual,
11:33known to be involved in drugs and criminality.
11:38She's declared a suspect.
11:40Open the gate! Open the gate!
11:46Sir Preet? Is this Sir Preet Dhillon?
11:48You're under arrest.
11:50I'm not arrested, I'm just a witness.
11:52I'm not an inmate.
11:54I'm not an inmate.
11:56I'm not an inmate.
11:58I don't care what you say.
12:00I don't care what you say.
12:02I'm just a witness.
12:04I'm not an inmate.
12:06I'm not an inmate.
12:08Is this a pre-dealing you're under arrest for murder look down at your chest look down at your chest
12:14This is a teaser cable 50,000 volts all right
12:19I'm gonna ask you to face that wall. That's it keep your hands on your head for me
12:23What won't you do is sidestep nice and slowly to your right nice and slowly
12:29And stop there for me
12:38I
12:49Appreciate a lot going on all right listen carefully. I said it at the door, but you're under arrest for murder all right
12:56It's investigations with the problem effect investigation. We take you to the police station where you interviewed you can have legal representation
13:02It's all to it recorded, and you can have a solicitor there
13:05I'm so you will do that. I appreciate just nice and relaxed. Okay. I appreciate it's not
13:30That's it do you have an inhaler or anything
13:34Right just calm down. You can easily be all right. Okay, so pretty so can we just come this way?
13:44So a nice deep breath okay
13:53That's it nice deep breath try and keep it nice and relaxed
14:05So people gonna sit you in this back seat all right and take a seat for me just mind your foot
14:11Police have arrested a woman in connection with the murder of Saul Murray
14:16The kids are gonna get looked after so don't worry about them I
14:22Appreciate your your eldest seemed quite quite stern. I'm sure your eldest will look after the little ones
14:29So
14:34We had some information come through that
14:38Sir Preet Dhillon has
14:40Previously been involved in setting up robberies almost like honey traps
14:51Couple of pictures
14:52which are up on the screen now of
14:55People who apparently have been victims of this set-up girl these
15:01Items have been sent to the met to see if anyone can identify him so we may get some more information come out of that
15:09But that obviously is brilliant in the sense that it shows a bit of an intent
15:24A honey trap is where quite often a female
15:29purports to be involved romantically with someone
15:34They then meet up and rob them
15:40We look at the motive and what possibly might have happened, but it's really important that I keep an open mind
15:50Hello, yeah, I'm good
15:55Hello
15:58Okay, do you understand why you're here
16:01Yeah, someone's been murdered in Luton by 27th February police inquiries have been carried out and you've been identified as being involved
16:10Okay, and the rest of before
16:15Should you be looking after anybody while she here is anybody depending on you
16:20Your three children who your three children with now
16:23Are they fine with your grandma until this is resolved or?
16:28We can hold you for up to 24 hours. Yeah. Yeah, so they're gonna be fine. Yeah
16:41We don't know why soul has been targeted
16:459th of February 2022. This is the first date
16:48We've got contact between Spruit Dylan and saw Murray. The only thing else that happened on the 9th of February is so Murray
16:55posting
16:56Was it a video of him flashing the watch wasn't it?
16:59It's a really short video that he uploads to Instagram and he's got on his left hand two watches and he sort of
17:06Twizzles his arm and that's on the 9th of February. That's the night fair the day that didn't make contact with all day
17:12They had contact each other
17:14He could have easily been just another one of Dylan's robbery victims. Yeah
17:18This time it went wrong. But then saw has been involved in various bits of criminality throughout his life
17:25So it could be any number of reasons linked to that as well, couldn't it?
17:30There's not a lot we can say as to why he was targeted I
17:34Think that if you're good at honey trapping, then you probably know the type of individuals to target
17:40So I imagine that there's lots of it that goes on that we don't get to know about
17:46You target someone that's married that potentially doesn't want to report it in case there their partner finds out or if you target someone who
17:54Has got their wealth for a long period of time. I think that's a really good way to get to know each other
18:01Has got their wealth from criminality then they're hardly likely to involve the police and report it to the police
18:09So if you target the right people, I imagine you get away with it
18:17Stay where you are. Yes
18:20Any sudden moves? Yeah
18:23Detectives probe whether the victims previous criminal history connects to his murder
18:32I
18:34Think he's been arrested for conspiracy to commit a robbery or something. I threatened some people and they found a gun
18:41To sit on the floor for us. So
18:43Thank you very much. We found what appears to be a handgun. I mean I used to work in
18:48Luton CRD and I'm sure I've dealt with him when I was in the burglary team many many years ago
18:54It's definitely a name that I recognize and it's obviously sort of a well-known criminal
18:59In Luton
19:01Robbery hotel on 12th of September
19:052015 your client has been identified from CCTV as the male who's forced his way into a second full room where he has tied
19:11The man up and told him to comply or he would be stabbed
19:15so it appears that he's
19:19got a female to go and and
19:21Have whatever relations with a man and then gone in and robbed the man
19:28Seriously, yeah
19:32So it's almost like a repeat of the other way around yeah
19:37I'm going to show you a photograph. It's a still that's taken from the front desk of the hotel
19:42It has two people in it. It's my exhibit mvh4
19:46That's where they're checking in
19:51These are more stills that are taken from exhibit jl1 who's that person?
19:57I
20:06Suspected you second floor
20:27I
20:39Mean saw is quite streetwise and saws previously being involved in honey traps
20:50So you would think that he would have his wits about him and actually
20:56Not necessarily fall for it
21:07Supreet Dylan's phone is accessed to see if it reveals links to other potential suspects
21:14There's a quite a bit of contact between separate Dylan and Temiday are we all the calls between them were
21:21Relevant times there were calls going on just before the offense or during the time that they were at the location and then
21:28Subsequent calls afterwards as well
21:34Temiday she's not really known to the police. We don't really know too much about her
21:42This is a subject profile
21:44This is a picture of her that's been taken through social media accounts
21:48She is a commentary University student
21:53Yeah, so quite different to Dylan who's obviously got quite a lot of priest convictions, but our way
22:01Hasn't got any previous arrests. So she's got no proofs convictions
22:06Identifying her is attributed to that phone that Dylan's been in contact with and getting her picture
22:12We can now see that she's quite clearly the second female that enters some Mary's address with Dylan
22:18Yeah, so we believe this is how the CCTV
22:22She's wearing a coat here with a logo on the left arm
22:27What is this
22:29Laders involvement. She looks like she's got a future planned out. She's going to university
22:35She's in a third year as well. So she's not, you know, just dropped out. She's clearly committed
22:43Oh
22:51Box guy is about the murder of Saul Murray
22:55so today's objective is all about the arrest of timid a you our way for murder and
23:02Search premises to secure and preserve evidence, okay
23:05You
23:11Please travel to Coventry where 21 year-old Tamadeo our way is studying at University
23:32Please come out
23:36Oh, so let's clarify. It's for short. That's all Murray. So my soul Murray
23:54What you need to take with you at all
24:02It's another jacket
24:05You
24:11You go if you just want to put yourself now just watch your head is
24:16Then just take the seat
24:25For a student house, this is very nice
24:31It's well nice
24:36There is a black jacket with a fur hood hanging up in a wardrobe
24:52She scrawled out I reckon that's that coat, you know
24:57Yeah
24:59It's got the three little yeah each side
25:02So we've got the toggles at the back there the poppers and we've got the Canada goose. Brilliant
25:08Can you call me in five? That's fine. I just wanted to speak to you about whether we can get anything fast-track to the lab
25:17One speaks my kids like can I speak to them now?
25:20Your speech your children. We will sort that out when we get
25:24No, no, no
25:35So this is Saul's phone
25:39But I've got so I've got Saul's phone is this the one
25:43This one that was under his pillow
25:46in the offence location
25:48So is up-to-date phone
25:50We just need to see was
25:53What's caused all this
25:55when you read
25:57Messages from loved ones and his family and you know, he was someone's son dad
26:04It's just sad to see people
26:09Like
26:10Love him and I
26:12Say they miss him and stuff like that. And then obviously we know what happens
26:17We know the ending
26:20I think it's a bit more human when you look through their phone
26:31So this is a video of
26:34Saul takes of his
26:36flat that he lives in a
26:38Couple of days before he's murdered
26:42Not long at all like three days before he was killed. Yeah
26:50Yeah, yeah, it's been all right well, it's been all right literally just got the keys yesterday
26:55So I had to do just do a lot of cleaning up. I've got to do a lot of painting this weekend
27:00And I'm working this weekend as well. Well Saturday anyway
27:05What I was gonna say to you as well as you was just saying your sister just had a clear out
27:09I need like stuff because I haven't got nothing even like a like my TV ain't got no stand. It's on a chair
27:20I
27:23Don't care about none of these things no more fun. Yeah, I'll tell you now. I'm on one mission
27:29Yeah, man's found property and that man's found a spot. So now I need the capital to start doing it
27:38I'm gonna shop that everybody box and papers. You think I business I don't care
27:43I'm sure in that I'm gonna shop as much tools I can
27:47To rack up a 150 so I can do up this place properly and then yeah, then I'll be happy again
27:56There was quite a lot of
27:58Intelligence and information that came through originally to suggest that soul was part of gangs and that he was involved in drug dealing
28:06But he was trying to
28:08Turn his life around. He'd got a job as a plasterer
28:12His dad had helped him out get you know getting into his bed sit
28:16Yeah, that's not very nice seeing him
28:19Why it was essentially killed
28:22Thinking that he was gonna start fresh
28:25But as a certain way to our case because not many people knew he was living there. He'd only lived there
28:31Three days so the fact that he gives Supreet Dhillon his address
28:38She was one of very few people that knew where he lived
28:46Police have arrested a second suspect for the honey trap murder of Saul Murray
29:01Hello UK no, do you want me to get you a cup of coffee and a sandwich?
29:07I'm gonna get you a sandwich. I'm gonna get you a sandwich. I'm gonna get you a sandwich
29:10I'm gonna get you a sandwich. I'm gonna get you a sandwich. I'm gonna get you a sandwich
29:14Do you understand why you've been arrested
29:33Have you been arrested before no never
29:35Okay
29:41Do you know the name Tammy day
29:45Tell me another name
29:48No comment with a son in all a W
29:53No comment
29:58How are you feeling now
30:03Just shaking up
30:06Utility fancy here for just everything
30:19Officers need to understand how 35 year old Supreet Dhillon is connected to 21 year old university student
30:26Temideo away, so we've identified how
30:30Dylan and or know each other
30:32In the subject profile in
30:362017 there's a bit of Intel where there's a Jamaican restaurant where all and Dylan are both present during a warren
30:44I
30:52Say the search for a sec. Have you got a safe car? We're gonna get arrested
30:59Yes, I want to calm down yeah, let's remind you again you can record what's your name
31:09Come sit down here for me, please. Come on. Come on. Let me explain to you here
31:15I
31:20Mean if anybody else wants to leave we'll still do what you need to do
31:23There's an association at that Caribbean restaurant, which is now closed down, which I think believe is a front
31:29Something through drug dealing and all was only she was only about 16 at that point wasn't she and when that warrant happened
31:38So that's just to me that all was perhaps been maybe subject to
31:44Rooming CSE maybe maybe that's gone back years and she's gone under the radar police
31:51Interesting bit of a weird association and it quite a big age gap
31:57Dylan's obviously got kids and things. They're just in totally different circles, aren't they?
32:01So are they coming together meeting together to commit crime?
32:07I
32:19Have just heard back from the
32:21Crime scene manager that the swabs the sexual swabs that were taken at post-mortem have come back with an early indication
32:28Of sir, Preet Dhillon. I think we can at least ask her about that an interview
32:33Can't we say, you know, are you gonna come back on swabs?
32:37I
32:44We believe that you might have had sexual contact with soul, is that correct? No comment
32:49Have you ever had sexual contact with cell? No comments. Have you ever had sex with him? No comment
32:57245
32:58You've gone out into the female walkway. You go to the front door
33:03Over open using one of the grooms in the hallway already
33:11Tell me about why did that? No comment
33:17Who are you leaving door open for? No comment. Why are we leaving that open? No comment. So what we believe has happened is
33:26That two males have been let inside the property by you leaving the front door popped open
33:33You
33:36There's been some kind of argument and something has happened and then
34:02Who are these two men
34:05When one of these men leaves he's clearly got a large knife with him
34:11And we know that soul was stabbed and received a fatal stab wound
34:16We know that there are drops of blood going out of the flats around the corner, which is souls blood dripping off that knife
34:22No doubt
34:23Okay, so you cannot fail to notice what had gone on in that flat
34:28It's your opportunity now to tell your side of what happened in that flat because we know you were there
34:34Why are these two men come into that flat?
34:37What reason have you brought him into that property between the two of you?
34:43Was there any intent from you to steal anything from him while you were inside that property? No comment. Did he owe you any money?
34:49No comment. Why was soul found naked?
34:52Why was soul found naked
34:57To describe it to you so was found at the front door
35:01Communal front door completely naked and bled to death there and then
35:10So he said that he'd woken up and and that she had disappeared and his phone and money had disappeared
35:17So you actually called 999
35:20Detectives look for evidence that there two female suspects have lured other men into honey trap robberies staff at the Nova tell
35:28spoken to the two receptionists and the barmaid one receptionist says the male came down and
35:36Said that felt that he'd been drugged by the lady that he was with and then we've got the barmaid
35:42The guy came up to her and said you remember the girl from yesterday. She robbed me and drugged me
35:46We are gonna stop this interview there
36:16I
36:29Don't know the poor soul and I'm very good that he he did
36:35Honestly, I didn't murder him. I didn't harm him in any type of way. I'm honestly just a undergraduate student
36:41I just I just wanted to get my degree
36:44Okay
36:46Okay
36:51There's potential that she's vulnerable herself and
36:55That interview is an opportunity for her to show that but I'm not convinced
36:59It's well within our interests to lie. The stakes are high for her, aren't they?
37:04They're massive. She if she's convicted of murder, she goes to prison for a large chunk of her life
37:10Sadly, lots of people lie to me
37:11Lots of people lie to the police and lots of people try and purport to be somebody that they're not
37:17We have some
37:20Stills from the CCTV that was taken from the location of the actual murder
37:28Right female one, all right, that's the parade
37:33We're saying female two is you
37:36Do you agree?
37:38Is that you?
37:39It looks like you
37:43We actually have that coat that we seized from your home address that's your coat, isn't it? That's what you had on
37:52You come out of the building at 0 to 27
37:57You come out
38:00And you stand outside and
38:04We can see that you stop
38:07Your phone starts flashing like you're taking pictures
38:10What are you taking pictures of?
38:13Were you not taking pictures or were you just shining a light on your phone?
38:17Are you trying to alert others to where you were?
38:20Trying to guide them in that's what you were doing. Oh, yeah
38:36You re-enter on your own and then the mouse follow you so basically you're showing them where to come
38:44Do you set us all up to be murdered? Who was it who actually did the deed?
38:51This is all just not a coincidence your phone's there, Sir Prince is there. That's not a coincidence. So why were you there?
39:02It's not looking great is it?
39:07You
39:16With evidence suggesting that they've drugged their male victims a
39:20Toxicology examination is ordered to test specifically for the presence of date rape drugs in the victim's body
39:27GHB was detected in the blood at a concentration of 46 milligrams per litre and in the urine at a concentration of 70 milligrams
39:35Per litre it doesn't
39:37Say specifically like timings and stuff the high level detected in the urine relative to the blood supports active use sometime before mr.
39:45Murray died
39:47Consequently, mr. Murray could have been experienced some effects of GHB shortly before he died
39:52GHB is potent anaesthetic and hypnotic properties. It is also abused and has been promoted for bodybuilding
39:59Weight loss and as a sexual enhancer
40:01It's quite prolific for date rapes and things, isn't it? Because it doesn't stay in your system that long and it it's quite hard to detect
40:08the fact that
40:10Saul had GHB in his system and we think that these girls have
40:16Drugged him in order to rob him. So the fact we've actually got that in evidence is damning. Yeah
40:28These girls used it before them to previous
40:33Offenses of robbery which we think have been attributed to them
40:37They both have said that they thought that they were drugged I
40:42Need to show that it's those girls that have given him the GHB
40:45Put doubt in the jury's mind that he's taken it himself and in order to do that. I need to speak to his past
40:52partners
40:55She's not aware of Saul ever having GHB or taking drugs such don't think that would be anything that he would do
41:03And she said she finds it quite because he's quite savvy and because previously
41:09He's walked dropped and dropped people
41:12she seems to think that he wouldn't have let those people into his address or certainly the guys because
41:19He would be quite distrustful of people
41:22think perhaps they
41:24Sat and had a drink and a smoke
41:28some form of like sexual activity has taken place and at some point
41:34One of the girls has put probably some GHB in his drink
41:54I
41:56Interviewed twice yesterday all of them. No comment apart from
42:01Tamadeo gays a
42:03Couple of sentences at the start of the interview nothing key with the suspects refusing to admit responsibility
42:10The police decide to put their case to the Crown Prosecution Service
42:14Nice of where we're at. I think they've
42:18There the girls have waited for Saul to go to sleep because he's naked
42:22When he was murdered
42:39I
42:41Think it's pretty clear. These girls have been involved in these robberies and stuff
42:45Which is what the Intel picture is kind of showing isn't it?
42:49Detectives have recovered voice notes between Supreet Dhillon and Tamadeo our way
42:54Recorded two days before they first made contact with Saul Murray
42:59The first one is a is a voice note that was forwarded from Dylan to our way and it's a male voice
43:05And he's basically saying they've got no chance of getting caught for that. It's too old
43:11It's too old things flipping nearly 25 years old
43:16You probably get that in the shop for like three and a half
43:19Cuz it's so old
43:28We'll get more for the drugs and we will the watch
43:32She really 25 years old know what she's older than me
43:37Fuck
43:44The watchers upset my life
43:54Whether this is a robbery that's gone wrong or what we still don't really know, but I think we're making some really good progress
44:02Thanks so much
44:06I
44:12Supreet
44:14Okay
44:16Sure, you're aware the officers have been to the Crown Prosecution Service getting a charging decision around what's gonna happen
44:23That's come through and the CPS have authorized a charge of murdering
44:27Okay
44:29Do you need anything?
44:37Anything else you want to ask me? No, we got done
44:52Hi
44:56I'm still here. So I've got some stuff up with them. So I'm not gonna be home for like a couple weeks. I
45:02Love you
45:04Yeah, I'm gonna sort it out so then I can come home okay, I'm just gonna help them with some stuff
45:12No, they got that wrong I'm helping them with it, yeah, I'm just helping them that's not true, okay
45:20Okay, that's what they come because they got they got it all mixed up I'm gonna sort it out with them, okay
45:25I
45:30Didn't hear that
45:33Is your right though
45:37It makes me feel quite sad because I'm a mum myself and I just think
45:43getting involved in all that stuff means that she's now likely to go to prison and
45:50What
45:52Implication will that have on her children, you know
45:55Saul's got lots of children as well and what's happened to him is gonna have a big impact on their lives
46:01and I just think it's
46:04It's just quite sad really
46:06I
46:20So, as you know, the officers have been to the Crown Prosecution Service to
46:25present their case and to get charging decision that has come through and
46:29CPS have authorized a charge of murder against you. Okay. I know it's a lot to take in
46:37I do appreciate that
46:41How are you feeling?
46:47You're gonna sit down? Yeah, take it back to your cell. All right. Thank you
47:06Oh my god
47:08Oh my god
47:10Oh my god
47:12Oh my god
47:14Oh my god
47:16Oh my god
47:18Oh my god
47:20Oh my god
47:22Oh my god
47:24Oh my god
47:37You
47:42Why it's always been stabbed I
47:44Don't know. He's perhaps woken up, but it's almost like you've got these two parts to this case
47:50you've got this honey trap that's going on, but then these two guys that have come in and
47:57Escalated the honey trap into a murder
48:00And
48:05CCTV showed a suspicious vehicle in the vicinity is definitely that copy 100%
48:18We are obviously continuing the momentum in looking for this outstanding fourth suspect that we've got
48:29Let's open the door
48:59You