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05:11We are not referring to conclusive evidence, I insist on it,
05:15but to personal testimonies.
05:18It may be that, as materialists claim,
05:21everything ends here, in any cemetery, without a later.
05:26And that experiences like the ones we have just heard
05:29are only consoling hallucinations made by our brain.
05:34Although the truth is that many psychiatrists do not share that explanation
05:38or consider it rampant and full of prejudices.
05:41Let's leave it aside for the moment
05:44and go to another kind of testimonies,
05:47the oldest and most popular,
05:50those that refer to ghosts.
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06:00The simple statement guards most people.
06:03So much literature has been done on the subject,
06:06it has been loaded with such sinister inks,
06:09associating them with curses, murders or suicides
06:13and linking them to old abadias,
06:16dark castles and other romantic scenarios
06:19that the first reaction is skepticism.
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06:36However, the accounts that, due to the quality of the witnesses
06:41or due to the circumstances, can be considered authentic,
06:44have nothing of the sort.
06:47Certainly, these are subjective experiences, whether they can be believed or not.
06:52But in the two cases that we will see next,
06:55whose authenticity I have no doubt about,
06:58the witnesses were not suggested
07:01and were fully aware of what was happening.
07:06Well, it was a month in August
07:09in a town in the province of Albacete,
07:14which is called Tobarra,
07:17where we have a house that my father bought when I was a year old.
07:20My father had died the month before December
07:25and I went to spend my summer holidays there, in Tobarra.
07:29It was early in the morning,
07:32I suppose it was around five thirty
07:35or around six, because it was dawn.
07:39I had a beautiful cat, a black cat,
07:43who was very mischievous, very weird, very strange,
07:46and with me, well, it was a kind of passion,
07:49the one I had, tremendous, and it was an extension of mine.
07:52And she slept at the foot of my bed.
07:56And she was very calm when she was with me
07:59and that early morning, suddenly, she began to meow desperately
08:03and to get off the bed and go to the door of the room
08:08and that happened when the cat needed to go out
08:11or wanted to go to the field or something like that.
08:16And then, well, I got off,
08:19scoldingly, of course, from the bed,
08:22I got off the stairs, I opened the door of the street
08:26and, well, when I opened the door of the street,
08:29the cat stood still inside the house.
08:32Then I pushed her with my foot to get her out,
08:35she listened to me, I took her out,
08:38and when I was going to close the door,
08:41the cat came in and ran up the stairs.
08:45And, well, nothing, I think I drank a glass of water,
08:49I think I remember that I drank a glass of water
08:52and I went up absolutely clear,
08:54but thinking that those were not decent hours to get up,
08:58and I left with the intention of seeing if I could sleep.
09:02Then, well, I lay down on the bed,
09:05the cat had gone up to the feet of the bed, as always,
09:09and I usually, when I lie down on the bed,
09:12I close my eyes, I don't keep my eyes open,
09:15I close my eyes and suddenly I saw my father.
09:18I saw him a little sitting,
09:21but the level where he was sitting
09:24was a little higher than the level of the bed,
09:28he was in a lumbar chair, his lumbar chair,
09:31the lumbar chair that no longer existed in the house,
09:35and then, well, of course, immediately I opened my eyes,
09:40I opened my eyes, he was still there,
09:43and my father was there, he was younger, clearer.
09:47When you start to see him, you have your eyes closed,
09:50you open them and you continue to see him exactly the same,
09:55that is, as if the image, I don't know,
09:58was forming in your brain,
10:01or the image had nothing to do with the physical,
10:05your closed eyelids were not an obstacle for him to see.
10:09They were not an obstacle, but when I was seeing him,
10:13my father was not a different image
10:17from how I am seeing you now.
10:21How did you see him?
10:23Three-dimensional, tangible, like corporeal?
10:27The feeling was absolutely corporeal,
10:31there was nothing ghostly at all in him,
10:36only that my father seemed to be a few years younger,
10:40that he had, I don't know, the impression of about 50 years,
10:46and my father was almost 80 when he died.
10:50And did he say anything to you?
10:52Well, I kept looking at him and I could have asked him things,
10:56because the logical and natural thing is that in a circumstance like this,
10:59I would have asked him, what is there after this, where are you?
11:03No, I asked him, what do you want, dad?
11:06And at that moment he answered me, give up the position.
11:11And at that moment some circles began to appear around my father,
11:17concentric circles that closed and my father's image disappeared.
11:23Totally.
11:25And I don't know what made me look at the cat.
11:29I don't know what made me look at the cat either.
11:32But the cat was on, instead of lying down like when I got up,
11:36it was on all fours and it had all the hair on the tip
11:40and the ears absolutely back.
11:44You have no doubt, what you saw was your father.
11:47It was not an image made by your mind, nor was it anything else, right?
11:54I am absolutely sure.
11:57Although it seems presumptuous to say it like that,
12:00but I am absolutely sure.
12:02Because other times I have dreamed of people who had already disappeared,
12:06I have believed, I have seen.
12:08No, this was as real as we are seeing right now, you and me.
12:17Many years ago an air crash occurred in Spain that shocked the country.
12:23A plane of passengers crashed in Bilbao and all the occupants died.
12:29But at least one of them did not want to cross to the other side
12:34before saying goodbye to one of his children.
12:37In a sense, it was he who told the family of his death
12:42before they found out otherwise.
12:49Do you remember, although you were not very old then,
12:52do you remember in detail what happened that morning?
12:57Yes, I remember.
13:00Well, that day I woke up.
13:03I had just turned 8 years old, I was little.
13:06And I do not know very well why I did not want to go to school.
13:09And I made up that I was sick.
13:12I pretended and such.
13:13My mother put me on the thermometer, I did not have a fever,
13:15but well, she left me there in bed.
13:17And nothing, I was in bed.
13:20I think I was reading a comic, a TV show or something like that.
13:25And I was waiting for my mother to go down to buy some batteries
13:29for a Don Quincón machine or something like that.
13:32And nothing, I was in bed quietly.
13:35And suddenly I noticed something coming through the door
13:39and I turned my head.
13:41And I saw my father.
13:43I saw my father dressed in a jacket and tie,
13:49as he used to work with the briefcase.
13:52And well, he looked much younger.
13:56And what happened?
13:57He entered the room, he stayed close to the door,
14:01he did not enter the bed, he stayed at a certain distance.
14:04And he came in with a smile, a huge smile.
14:08I mean, I do not know, it filled me, I was looking at him, well, astonished, happy.
14:13I mean, I smiled at him.
14:15And I felt very good, I felt phenomenal.
14:18It was like I did not ask him anything or anything.
14:21I mean, it was like a communication without words.
14:25When he entered the room, when you turned your head and saw him,
14:30his appearance, apart from being dressed as he used to be dressed,
14:34and radiating that peace or that feeling that he gave you of well-being,
14:42you saw him as if you were looking at me.
14:47I saw him solid.
14:48I mean, he was not transparent, nor did I see what was behind him.
14:51I mean, in that sense, he was solid.
14:53And yes, I think I could have even touched him.
14:56What happens is that I stayed in bed, I did not even need to approach him.
15:01And I saw him with that incredible smile and like with a light, a little strange, right?
15:13I do not know if it was so much the light or what radiated, the feelings he made me have.
15:19And you, until that moment, did not know anything at all.
15:22But when that happened, when you saw him, did you know he was dead?
15:26No, I knew it just when he disappeared, when he left.
15:30And then all that emotion, all that positive feeling that he had transmitted to me,
15:36then I realized that something bad had happened.
15:39I did not even think about death, but come on, it was quite likely.
15:44And then a lot of time passed until you learned about the death of your father, of the accident?
15:50A couple of hours passed or something like that,
15:55that my uncle from Bilbao called me.
15:58And well, I was in my room, but I heard the conversation.
16:01I remember my mother said a phrase that said,
16:05with these things you do not play, you can not make this kind of jokes, something like that.
16:09But anyway, the fact was hidden from me until late at night.
16:14They took me home to some uncles.
16:16Then my mother told me that there had been an accident, that I was in the hospital and everything else.
16:20But well, deep down I knew that everything was a lie.
16:25You also told me on some occasion that your mother had had that night a kind of feeling,
16:33of something, that she felt a desire to turn off the alarm clock.
16:38She told me that she woke up that morning, before the alarm clock rang,
16:44with the idea of turning it off so that my father would miss the plane, the flight.
16:49And why didn't she do it?
16:52Well, she asked the question many times.
16:54But I don't know, she decided that if it had to be like that, it had to be like that.
16:59She didn't want to interfere in the events.
17:05And you have no doubt, Gonzalo, did you really see your father?
17:09Yes, over the years I have tried to rationalize it, to think that it was a mental projection.
17:18But of course, there are many things that you think, no, I saw what I saw and it was not a mental projection,
17:25because I didn't know, I couldn't know that he had died in the accident.
17:30I didn't even know there had been an accident.
17:35Well, very good, Gonzalo, thank you very much.
17:40What to do with testimonies like this?
17:43And they are innumerable, although most of its protagonists would never tell it in public,
17:49for fear of not being understood.
17:52What is happening?
17:54How can something, someone supposedly immaterial, become visible?
18:00Is it possible that we all receive this kind of visits,
18:04and for some special reason only a few can see them?
18:10Maybe it is a kind of gift, a psychic capacity that in certain circumstances
18:15allows them to glimpse, to perceive, what penetrates this world from the other side.
18:22A capacity that in some people is not transitory, but practically habitual.
18:29People endowed with what we call mediumship.
18:36In the chapter dedicated to healing, we had the opportunity to talk extensively with Daniel,
18:42a spiritual healer, who to his capacity unites a great dose of sensitivity.
18:48Like other spiritual healers, he is considered a simple medium
18:52so that forces or beings of the spiritual plane act through him.
18:57This quality of mediumship also leads him to receive impressions,
19:01even messages, from the deceased relatives of his patients.
19:07Something that, even though he is convinced that death is not the end,
19:12he lives with a certain fear.
19:19Daniel, we continue to abuse you.
19:24When we were talking about healing, you insist, you emphasize the spiritual healing,
19:31and you talk about communion, or communication, or channeling with other spiritual planes.
19:37But also, as we already know each other, and we have spoken on other occasions,
19:41I know that you yourself serve as a channel, sometimes,
19:44so that communication is established between people who have died and their relatives.
19:53Apart from that, which you are going to tell us if you feel like it,
19:57I would first like to know what is your opinion.
20:00What happens after death?
20:02Does everything end, or does a different stage begin?
20:07No, for me, death is simply a new birth.
20:09It is the return to the true home.
20:12That opinion, is it an opinion raised as a belief,
20:16or in your case, is it based on the experiences you have had?
20:22First, as a belief, and second, based on the experiences I have had, and other people have had.
20:29Well, tell us a little about those experiences.
20:33Well, the question of channeling is a bit of a lucky thing, isn't it?
20:38I don't take it well, it creates a lot of anxiety.
20:41I panic when a person wants to establish contact because I never know what is going to happen.
20:47And if it happens, very well, but if it doesn't happen,
20:51then perhaps that person will leave with more anxiety than he has come from.
20:56And well, simply, when I sometimes do the spiritual sanctions sessions,
21:01in the interview with the patient, I have had perceptions,
21:04I have seen the image of a person who identifies himself, who gives his name.
21:14But how do you see that? In a different way than how you are seeing it now?
21:20It is different every time.
21:21Sometimes you can see a person, as in three dimensions, but you see that it is not flesh and blood.
21:27Sometimes you simply see a light that is moving.
21:30But inside the place where you are?
21:32Yes, yes, as you and I are now, for example here, it could happen.
21:37Sometimes I don't see anything, but I hear.
21:40Other times it is as if I were watching movies in my mind.
21:45Then I ask permission from the person in front of me,
21:48I say, I am perceiving a spiritual entity, do you want to enter into communication?
21:55Then I ask that spiritual entity, I say, to get wet.
21:59If it is really a spirit and it is a spirit that is linked to this person,
22:02get wet. Give proof that it is you.
22:05Because I think it is very easy to say, I am fine, I have a lot of peace, everything is very beautiful.
22:12Yes, okay.
22:14But first, give signs that it is really you.
22:17Then, if there is a scar on his body, I ask him to show me the scar,
22:24to show me hobbies that he had, to call the person by his intimate name,
22:32to tell me who is with him in that other plane.
22:35Then sometimes they give names of other beings who have died, who are from the family.
22:40And many times they give information that not even the same person I have in front of me knows.
22:44Then he goes home and asks the mother, the grandfather, corroborates the information.
22:51And have you had many such experiences?
22:54Lately, yes, I have had several.
22:56It has been something that I do not control, I do not know why they have been shot.
23:01And there are people who call me to have these experiences and it gives me a lot of panic.
23:07Because it is something that totally escapes my control.
23:11For example, yesterday a person came to talk to me, two months ago her husband died.
23:17And her husband appeared and forced her to stay to communicate.
23:21And he communicated for about three quarters of an hour,
23:24giving a lot of intimate information about his wife and him.
23:29Then talking about the children, talking about the next celebrations.
23:34What does he say?
23:35Generally, when they communicate, what is it for?
23:38To make recommendations, to reassure them?
23:41First, they communicate to say, do not be sad, do not cry.
23:46I am here even if you do not see me, do not feel me, but this continues.
23:50This separation is momentary, it is not forever.
23:54First is that, give tranquility, give a certainty that there is something more than material life.
24:02And then what you want is that there is a change at the moral level in the person.
24:07Because you can not just stay in the phenomenology of contacting the spirit,
24:13of being able to have a conversation, to show that there is something more.
24:18That means that there has to be an implication.
24:21That implication is that we complement each other to a spiritual progress.
24:25In the plane that we are, both in the plane of matter and in the spiritual plane.
24:29That we learn to be better, that we give more importance to feelings.
24:34And that, in general, we have more love in our lives.
24:41It seems that our beloved dead are there.
24:44Near us or somewhere from which they come to visit us.
24:50If so, it is inevitable to think that when each of us crosses the border of death,
24:57he will continue to live. In another way, but living.
25:04The question now is that if death is not the end,
25:10logically, birth is not the beginning.
25:14Which is as much as saying that before being born in this world we already existed.
25:19But where and doing what?
25:25Thousands of millions of people are convinced
25:28that we reincarnate in order to learn,
25:32and thus to become spiritually perfect.
25:36Even in the Old Testament it is explicitly stated
25:40the reality of reincarnation.
25:43And also the first Christians believed in it.
25:50There are only a few minutes left to talk about it.
25:54On another occasion we will do it with detainment.
25:56It is worth it, because in recent decades
26:00reincarnation has experienced a new impulse.
26:03And not from a religious point of view, but from a psychological point of view.
26:09Psychotherapists in the United States and other countries
26:14are increasingly looking for the cause of mental disorders in their patients
26:18in traumas experienced in previous lives.
26:22The means, except in the few cases
26:26in which the person spontaneously remembers sequences of other lives,
26:30is always the same, the regressive hypnosis.
26:41Denounced in some times and praised in others,
26:45the fact is that hypnosis has been shown as an effective method
26:48of help for many psychological and psychosomatic problems.
27:18Your subconscious listens to my voice
27:21and will make you go back to some date, some experience,
27:26some cultural latitude that has to do with
27:31the axis of your personal search
27:34or with some problems that you want to solve in your current life.
27:39The next step is to suggest that you go back even more,
27:43that you look in your unconscious memory for scenes or situations
27:46of a possible previous life.
27:49From having success, from that memory,
27:53details that can allow you to deduce who it was
27:57and at what time and place that other life lived are expanded.
28:03Is he dying?
28:08He is dying.
28:11Who is dying?
28:13Jose.
28:14What relationship do you have with Jose?
28:17Is it something of yours?
28:19I don't know him.
28:21You don't know who he is?
28:23I don't know him.
28:25You don't know him.
28:27You only know that you are seeing him and he is dying.
28:30Very well, tell me.
28:32What else happens now?
28:34I want that child to save us, please.
28:37Certainly, regressive hypnosis does not intend to be
28:41a conclusive proof of reincarnation.
28:44But it is true that sometimes the data obtained from that previous life
28:49have been verified in files or with the testimony of other people.
28:54Even if that previous life took place in another country,
28:58the person in hypnotic trance is able to express himself in that language,
29:03even if in his current life he does not have the slightest knowledge of it.
29:07Something difficult to explain if the hypothesis of reincarnation is not admitted.
29:15Well, it seems that that parenthesis that opens with birth and closes with death
29:21is just that, a parenthesis.
29:24It is possible that we have lived before,
29:27and of course there are many, many data and testimonies
29:31that indicate that we continue to live after.
29:36In any case, it is something that everyone, absolutely everyone,
29:41will know when that moment comes.
29:45Meanwhile, we believe that there are enough reasons
29:50not to expect it with fear, but with hope.