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"Agar Apkay pas Awami Taqat Nahi to Jahan Marzi apne taqatwar banday Bitha lein..." Ather Kazmi's Bold Analysis
"Agar Apkay pas Awami Taqat Nahi to Jahan Marzi apne taqatwar banday Bitha lein..." Ather Kazmi's Bold Analysis
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00:00The situation in the political arena is the same.
00:02No one is able to win.
00:03No one is able to throw Javelin so far away
00:05that it really becomes such a victory
00:07after which it is said that now all four houses have been destroyed
00:10and now the game is over.
00:12The political game is still going on.
00:14At this time, especially the issues between the government and the opposition are going on
00:19but everyone is hopeful that the situation after October will be different.
00:23Anyway, today Bilawal Bhutto Zardari sir pointed out very clearly
00:27that there is a conflict between the two institutions.
00:30At this time, the crisis of the month
00:32is seen as a gap between the institutions.
00:36One institution repeatedly intervenes in this institution.
00:40Here in the politics of Pakistan,
00:42a full-blown constitutional crisis is being turned into a storm in a teacup.
00:47This is a crisis of the judiciary, by the judiciary and for the judiciary.
00:51Ask the judges indifferently.
00:53Was I your Wallachian who they did not even ask for?
00:57There is no room in the law and the law.
00:59Just give them money.
01:03In this regard, Umar Ayub said very clearly
01:05that today guests have come, today the Imam of Masjid-e-Nabwi has come.
01:09In his presence, his presence should not be talked about like this
01:12but it seems that Bilawal has received some instructions from somewhere else.
01:17Listen to this.
01:18As such, I have a lot to say about the opposition of the leaders.
01:22About the rule of law.
01:24About the unlawful arrest of Prime Minister Imran Khan.
01:27I wanted to talk about all these things today.
01:30But our esteemed guests, Sheikh Dr. Saleh Mohammad and Maliki have come.
01:35We want to honour them.
01:36This will continue to be our politics.
01:38Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, despite being a foreign minister,
01:42the long introduction he has given,
01:44I think he must have received some instructions from a parade ground
01:47and he has given a speech here.
01:50Now this real storm has come into politics
01:52when Sheikh Haseena Wajid had to go to Bangladesh from 2013 onwards.
01:59After the protest of the students, she had to escape.
02:03It was a very unceremonial sort of an escape
02:06which she saw while running away.
02:09And there it became clear that any party, any jamaat, any premier
02:14will follow the instructions of any other country
02:16and will not be accepted in any way.
02:19Now it is being linked to Pakistan in many ways.
02:22Is there a link or not?
02:24We will talk about this.
02:25I will introduce our guests.
02:27Hafizullah Niazi is with us.
02:29A very seasoned and senior analyst.
02:31Thank you very much.
02:32Hafizullah Niazi, you have joined us.
02:33It is a pleasure having you.
02:34Hathar Kazmi is with us.
02:36A very dynamic analyst.
02:37Thank you very much.
02:38Hathar, you have also joined us.
02:39Hathar, let's start with you.
02:40You saw that the situation in Bangladesh,
02:44immediately after that,
02:45especially the social media of PTI became very active
02:48and started linking the situation of both the countries.
02:51Do you see any link?
02:53Look, there is a link in some things.
02:55You can see that there were allegations of elections
02:58that they did not have the mandate of the people.
03:01And the way Haseena Wajid Sahiba was ruling,
03:04it was not just that she was close to a country,
03:07close to India.
03:08This was not the issue.
03:09The issue was that she was very far from her people.
03:11She did not have a mandate.
03:13The way she got the elections done,
03:15she got the opposition elected in the walls.
03:18She hanged someone.
03:19Someone was in jail.
03:20People were made to disappear.
03:22People were caught on social media.
03:25They were monitored.
03:26The youth were told to terrorize them.
03:28And they are burning.
03:30She said a lot of such things.
03:32At the end of the day,
03:33she had to go.
03:34So, you can do a little bit
03:36that the situation of Pakistan and Russia is the same.
03:39But at the same time,
03:40look at Bangladesh,
03:41only the Bengali nation lives there.
03:43Their dynamics are different.
03:44Here, Pakistan is a diverse country.
03:46The ethnic population is very diverse.
03:48Sindh has its own politics.
03:50Punjab has its own politics.
03:52KPK has its own politics.
03:54So, it is different in that respect.
03:55But the takeaway in this is that
03:57if you do not have the power of the people,
03:59then wherever you have placed your powerful people in the country,
04:03no one can save you.
04:05Right.
04:06Mr. Hafiz Ullahani,
04:07you have written a very powerful article
04:09about Agartala.
04:10Where the conspiracy started,
04:11it landed there.
04:13Do you see any similarity
04:15that is being tried to draw at this time?
04:18If it happened there,
04:19it can happen here as well.
04:20Before that,
04:21similarities were drawn with Sri Lanka as well.
04:24So, there are so many such things.
04:26Have the conditions of Pakistan
04:28reached that level
04:30where we can say that
04:31something like this can happen?
04:34Look,
04:35there is one big thing.
04:38The narrative has changed.
04:40The narrative has changed.
04:42The narrative has changed.
04:43In 1975,
04:45when Sheikh Mujeeb Urman
04:47took over the power,
04:48three years later,
04:50or maybe one or two months after that,
04:52or more,
04:53and when he was killed
04:55and his family was killed,
04:57the people of the League did not get a place there.
05:00And then India,
05:01which had crossed the border,
05:03and Agartala is a very good place for them,
05:05and some went to Calcutta.
05:07So, all the people went to India and took shelter there.
05:10So, after 20-25 years,
05:12India got its independence back.
05:14And when Haseena Wajid came,
05:16then this work started.
05:18Don't forget that
05:20after Mujeeb's death,
05:22whether it was General Zia-ur-Rehman
05:24or General Shah,
05:26here in Pakistan,
05:28General Zia-ur-Rehman and General Zia-ul-Haq
05:30were playing golf
05:32and there was a feel-at-home in Pakistan.
05:34Okay, this was because
05:36the narrative had changed.
05:38When PTI will look for similarity,
05:40they will say that
05:42the narrative has changed there.
05:44There, India,
05:46for the time being,
05:48in the normal scheme of things,
05:50in today's history,
05:52got its independence from there.
05:54And Pakistan's flag was raised there,
05:56you must have seen it,
05:58you must have seen the waves too.
06:00Then the statues of Mujeeb,
06:02the way his shoes and
06:04the rain of hammers.
06:06Then PTI should be worried for a while
06:08that here it means that
06:10India will come from here.
06:14This concept of Pakistan
06:16and the view of Pakistan
06:18in which the Army Chief
06:20may have mentioned somewhere
06:22the day before yesterday.
06:24We often say that
06:26Indira Gandhi said that
06:28the view of Pakistan
06:30will be lost in the Gulf of Bengal.
06:32But when Indira Gandhi gave the statement,
06:34we were also 17-18 years old
06:36at that time,
06:38it was imprinted in the mind
06:40that Indira Gandhi had said.
06:42Her first thought was
06:44that as soon as it was separated,
06:46now it means that
06:48here in Pakistan,
06:50the river of Pakistan
06:52will diverge
06:54because there is this dynamics.
06:56There is no political struggle there.
06:58When she said,
07:00when Haseena Wajid said
07:02that if I do not give the quota
07:04to Mukti Bani's
07:06grandchildren,
07:08then should I give it
07:10to the volunteers?
07:12Who were the volunteers?
07:14Al-Shams al-Badr,
07:16Jamaat-e-Islami or other
07:18Islamic organizations
07:20who had joined their shoulders
07:22with the Pak Army.
07:24Let me say one thing,
07:26maybe this is a statement
07:28given to an Army Chief
07:30after Haseena Wajid.
07:3237 years
07:34had to wait to say this.
07:36This statement
07:38will be in every Army Chief's pocket.
07:40It took 37 years.
07:42This was not an ordinary thing.
07:44They connected it
07:4637 years before.
07:48So you see in this debate,
07:50and you see
07:52that in Pakistan,
07:54those Al-Shams al-Badr
07:56who were called volunteers,
07:58they were standing
08:00with the Army
08:02with their shoulders joined.
08:04So the whole of Bangladesh,
08:06the real freedom
08:08that Sheikh Mujeeb Arman
08:10and Haseena Wajid
08:12had given,
08:14the freedom
08:16from slavery,
08:18the real freedom,
08:2090% acceptance,
08:22these were the
08:24great achievements
08:26in Haseena Wajid's pocket.
08:28So what happened?
08:30When the whole of Bangladesh
08:32raised their voice against him,
08:34why didn't they use clips
08:36of you, of Ami,
08:38Radhakar, Radhakar.
08:40So this is why,
08:42I think Imran Khan
08:44is a fool.
08:46I could understand
08:48that a month ago
08:50he was connecting himself
08:52with Mujeeb and he was trying
08:54to make him a popular leader.
08:56So today,
08:58the situation has proved
09:00that Sheikh Mujeeb Arman was a traitor.