"Bani PTI ghalat jaga jarahe hai," Irfan Siddiqui reaction to PTI Chief's decision to apologize
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00:00Irfan Siddiqui, thank you so much for joining us in the morning show.
00:10This is a conditional apology.
00:12Of course, it's been a long time.
00:14But at the same time, Mohsin Naqvi, Shahbaz Sharif and others
00:18have been named in the ECL.
00:21It gives the impression that they don't want to talk to the political leadership.
00:27They want to apologize to the army.
00:29But even there, it's a conditional apology.
00:32Your comments on it, sir.
00:34Thank you very much, Ashfaq.
00:37The thing is that an apology is not just a few words or a sentence.
00:45An apology is born out of the realization that I have done something wrong.
00:50First, you should have this realization.
00:52After that, an apology comes.
00:54And after that, the wise say that a third word comes, which is called an apology.
00:59An apology is considered an apology.
01:01It is considered an exoneration.
01:03It is considered an apology.
01:05You have adopted a strange position regarding the incidents of 9th May.
01:12After a year, they have reached the conclusion that
01:16yes, I told them to protest outside GHQ, but it was peaceful.
01:21Yes, I told them to protest outside the Corps Commander and Rangers, but it was peaceful.
01:26After that, they also say that 16 people were martyred that day.
01:31If a person did not come out, if a person was not involved in a riot,
01:36if he did not even come out to protest, then how did he die?
01:41How did 16 people die?
01:43And who are those 16 people?
01:45They do not give the name of anyone.
01:47There was not a single FIR filed against anyone.
01:50So now, in this kind of mental state, you tell me what can be done?
01:55You say that he should apologize to me.
01:58And what should I apologize for?
02:00That the Rangers had dragged me from the High Court.
02:07Now, both of you are young, Sadaf and Ashfaq, but we have seen arrests.
02:14I myself was arrested.
02:16There is never a need to drag.
02:19A sober man, a dignified man walks.
02:22He walks on his feet and sits in the car in which he sits.
02:27Nawaz Sharif was arrested, Zardari was arrested.
02:30One of their leaders put up a tradition of running away, a tradition of dragging.
02:34The moment of dragging comes when you do not want to go.
02:37You do not walk.
02:38You smile and go and sit in the car.
02:41I want to say that all these things are happening out of frustration.
02:46They have tested all the leaves.
02:49The door they are knocking on,
02:51No one is even ready to look out of that door.
02:55And they are going to the wrong place.
02:57You said correctly in your opening speech that politicians talk to politicians.
03:02There are always political negotiations.
03:05Look, when on August 14, 2014, these people came to protest and sat for four months,
03:12then how did the matter get resolved?
03:14We formed a committee, they formed a committee, both sat down.
03:18Negotiations took place.
03:19It was said that let's make a Chief Justice of the Judicial Commission of the Supreme Court.
03:24It was made.
03:25They gave a decision.
03:26The matter was over.
03:27You do not want to talk.
03:29These are thieves.
03:30These are dacoits.
03:31I will not shake hands with them.
03:32But Mr. Irfan, there was a very important incident in it,
03:37after which the National Action Plan was also made.
03:39You remember the incident of 16th December, which shook everyone.
03:43After that, he had to end the protest.
03:45Otherwise, maybe he would have sat for some more time.
03:47Yes, yes.
03:48You have made the right point.
03:50That too because that incident was a very shameful incident
03:55that shook the whole of Pakistan.
03:58Otherwise, maybe he would have continued.
04:00But there is another opinion as well.
04:02That his steam had left.
04:04I myself live in Islamabad.
04:06One day, the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was going somewhere by helicopter.
04:12And I was also with him.
04:14And on the way back,
04:16it is obvious that this D-Chowk is completely connected to the Prime Minister's house.
04:21He said, man, at least show me the protest.
04:23So the helicopter flew down a little and passed over the protest.
04:28Believe me, there were less than 100 people sitting there.
04:32Less than 100.
04:33So he said, man, these are the people who have made the whole country a mess.
04:38So what I mean to say is that there was no steam left.
04:40Irfan Siddiqui, all the announcements that are being made right now,
04:43on Mashrood, Maafi and other issues,
04:46do you think that any wisdom is being changed?
04:49Or is it being done out of frustration, as you said?
04:51Politicians should always have the option to talk.
04:56But do you think that the PTI will come this way?
04:59They say that Maulana is with them today.
05:02But do you think that the People's Party can be the one to talk to?
05:06Maybe they won't talk to you.
05:08So will you agree with that?
05:10Look, Sadaf, ultimately, no matter what they do,
05:14they will have to talk to the politicians.
05:16And they should.
05:17They are against the political character of the army.
05:21And they say that the army should be completely separate.
05:24It should be neutral.
05:26They keep changing the meaning of neutral.
05:28Sometimes it's an animal, sometimes it's a stranger.
05:31Anyhow, my political experience is that
05:35there have been many movements.
05:37There was a movement against Mr. Uddo.
05:39Ultimately, there were negotiations in that too.
05:42And whenever things move forward,
05:44they move forward through negotiations.
05:46And the issues are resolved between the politicians.
05:49We have proposed this twenty times,
05:51which we have now ended.
05:53We have decided that we will not make any more proposals.
05:56If you want to come, then come.
05:58And tell us that we want to talk about this issue.
06:01In Sadaf's answer, I want to say that
06:04ultimately, they should spend another six months.
06:07They should spend another three months.
06:09They should never take support from anyone.
06:12They have to talk directly.
06:14Why are they ashamed?
06:15The politics of us and the People's Party
06:19was so intense at some time
06:22that you can't imagine it.
06:24We didn't meet.
06:25We didn't shake hands.
06:26We didn't go to funerals.
06:28We didn't go to weddings.
06:29There were no weddings.
06:30That this is the People's Party,
06:32that we won't give a proposal.
06:34Despite that, we met.
06:36Mr. Irfan, there is one thing in this.
06:38It is obvious that the politicians
06:40do not do anything without reason.
06:44Now, he has been in jail for a year.
06:46There is resilience.
06:48He didn't try to go out.
06:50He is staying there.
06:51But there seems no end to it.
06:54After that,
06:56the statement has come out from the side of the ISPR.
06:59Sometimes, you show your cards
07:02and see what the reaction is.
07:05It is possible that after this statement,
07:07the matter will go from legitimate to illegitimate
07:09after seeing the reaction of the people
07:11and the related parties.
07:14It is good.
07:15I think it should have happened long ago.
07:18But what you are saying,
07:20I know him a little.
07:23I have met him a few times.
07:25Yes.
07:26Mr. Khan.
07:28I don't believe that he is doing this
07:30on the basis of any serious thinking
07:32or any political wisdom.
07:35If he had the wisdom,
07:37he would have drawn a line.
07:39He would have drawn a path.
07:41I have to go to this destination.
07:43Then it wouldn't have happened
07:44that one day he would say something,
07:45the next day he would say something,
07:46the third day he would say something.
07:47Sometimes he would build an army.
07:49He has given this statement
07:50that it is foolishness not to stand with the army.
07:53The next day he would fall on the army.
07:55Then he would fall on the ISPR.
07:56What can the ISPR do?
07:58In this case,
08:00in which you are still alive,
08:02on 9th May,
08:03you punished about 30 senior officers,
08:08court-martialed them,
08:09sent them to their homes,
08:10collected their pensions.
08:12You have not taken any action yet.
08:14And you say,
08:15this was not me.
08:16The thing is,
08:17it is a simple thing.
08:18I will ask you a straight question.
08:21How is it possible
08:23that in a special moment,
08:25in a special evening,
08:27250 places are chosen from Pakistan,
08:30from Quetta to Chitral,
08:32and those 250 places are the army,
08:35the shahzada's mausoleum,
08:37the Fazaiya's den.
08:39How is it possible?
08:40Don't say this.
08:42Don't look into the eyes of the world.
08:44Be brave now.
08:46Be courageous.
08:47Yes, say that I said that all this happened.
08:50It was wrong.
08:51We apologize for that.
08:52Don't spare him.
08:54Can't you spare him?
08:55Show me the video.
08:57Give me an answer to this question.
08:59Who said about 250 places
09:02to attack his followers?
09:04Mr. Irfan, there is one more thing.
09:06One last thing.
09:08When a person is at this level,
09:11at times he disconnects from the public.
09:13But he has advisors,
09:15or a guide,
09:16or a friend.
09:17There are such people
09:19who can guide him.
09:21Towards the betterment.
09:22I'm sure Mr. Mian has people like you.
09:25He must have them.
09:27Bani PTI must have them.
09:28Or don't you think so?
09:30Yes, definitely.
09:32They are very good people.
09:33And they can give good advice.
09:35But let me tell you,
09:37we meet in the senate.
09:40The National Assembly is with us.
09:43We drink tea or go to the capital.
09:45These people are hopeless.
09:47Because they are forced to defend such things.
09:51Those they don't want to defend,
09:53they can't do it.
09:55Now look at the hunger strike.
09:57They said, let's have a hunger strike every day.
10:00When?
10:01Yesterday when I left the senate block,
10:04I asked the driver,
10:06where is the hunger strike?
10:08He said, it's happening on the right.
10:10I said, stop it.
10:12Believe me, there are five people sitting.
10:14Now who has given them this guidance?
10:17And they also come and sit for two hours.
10:19No one comes to see you.
10:21Why do you use such insults?
10:23You should understand the ground realities.
10:25I am not saying that you don't have the support of the people.
10:28It will be there.
10:29But along with the support of the people,
10:32there should be wisdom.
10:34To make a way,
10:35you should use your thinking and consciousness.
10:38You are being knocked at one place.
10:40That door is not opening.
10:41Okay, you are saying that you are being knocked at one place.
10:43That door is not opening.
10:44And there is a very clear answer from there too.
10:47Thank you so much Irfan Siddiqui.
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