New Video Surfaces In The Secret Service Scandal (Ep 2297) - 07/30/2024
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01:01Listen to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino.
01:05Folks, this hearing could not be going any worse.
01:08I'm listening to Acting Secret Service Director Ron Rowe, who is part and parcel to the problem
01:14up there.
01:15And again, tell you he's going to take responsibility and people are taking responsibility, yet
01:22amazingly no one's been fired.
01:25There's a dead body, two people shot, and President Trump with a piece of his ear that
01:29was shot off.
01:31I don't understand this.
01:33More evidence has surfaced, more videos.
01:35Listen, we're going to do something different today and I want to just ask you to just please
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01:44We're going to do our best to try to run some of this hearing and comment live time while
01:49doing the show.
01:50It's kind of in a bit of a lull right now with a lot of Democrats asking stupid questions
01:54like gun control type stuff.
01:56But some of the stuff that's been said so far is just ridiculous.
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03:18All right, fellas, let's get this show started.
03:21So first, Susan Crabtree, again, who I've had on my radio show now a couple of times,
03:26has blown the door off this thing in this real clear politics piece, confirming again
03:31what her and I and other good reporters have already told you, that Ronald Rowe, the acting
03:36director testifying up there now, cannot possibly be part of an investigative effort that of
03:44a act of grotesque malfeasance that he was a part of.
03:49Please read this piece in the newsletter today, bongino.com slash newsletter, please.
03:55Acting Secret Service chief played key role in limiting resources for Trump.
03:59Susan Crabtree goes through methodically how this guy right now testifying was one of the
04:05guys responsible for limiting protective assets to the Donald Trump detail.
04:10Folks, I'm just asking you a simple question as a friend.
04:14Forget being a former Secret Service agent and knowing all these guys and working with
04:17them.
04:18Just as a normal human being, pretend they have nothing to do with this at all.
04:21I sold candy in a candy store.
04:24If I rob a bank, do you put me in charge of robbing a bank of the investigation of
04:31the actual bank robbery?
04:32Of course not.
04:34If your brother or sister robbed the bank, do you put them in charge of this investigation
04:41of a family member?
04:42Because there's a conflict of interest.
04:45Ron Rowe has a conflict of interest.
04:47He is the answer to a lot of the investigative questions as to why there were insufficient
04:53assets available at this site.
04:56Folks, the bombshells just keep coming.
05:00Another Susan Crabtree special.
05:02Look at this tweet.
05:04I did not have this.
05:06This is exclusive to her.
05:07Exclusive, a Secret Service counter sniper sent an email Monday night to the entire uniform
05:12division, not the agents, saying he will not stop speaking out until these supervisors
05:17are either fired or removed from their current positions.
05:20He said, listen to this, folks, perk your ears up right now.
05:25Put those little quiet place creature like antennas in your ear, whatever, and pay very
05:30close attention to this, because I told you this the other day.
05:34This is completely independent of this guy's email.
05:37The counter sniper Secret Service officer said the agency should, quote, expect another
05:42assassination attempt before November.
05:51Sounds like something I told you.
05:53If you'd like to read the email, it's attached to the tweet, folks.
06:00It's right here.
06:01We'll put it up on the screen.
06:02You can read the whole thing.
06:03The gist of it is this is going to happen again.
06:08I warned you about this yesterday, that the Secret Service has been a failure for decades.
06:16The management has had no vision for this.
06:19Guys have been lucky.
06:21Some guys have managed to do a lot more with a lot less and get around mistakes by being
06:26creative.
06:27I've gone over this a thousand times, how not just me, but other agents out there doing
06:33sites have managed to cobble together boxes of car parts and stuff as shields against
06:39weapons because we didn't have enough posts.
06:41The guys there on the ground have done a pretty good job in keeping the agency lucky.
06:48This guy addresses this in the email, how it's not the ground guys.
06:52It's the leadership starving these guys of assets.
06:57Except the guys on the ground in the Pittsburgh office who conducted this advance.
07:01This is a totally different story.
07:03Man, I don't know what you need to hear.
07:06These problems are not solvable overnight.
07:09They've got to get these guys in the pipeline and train and out there functioning as counter
07:14sniper agents, officers.
07:17This is a year of training and vetting.
07:21You can't just hire someone off the street.
07:23How do you know they're not an Iranian spy?
07:27So you're going to put a guy with a high-powered rifle next to the president of the United
07:31States without proper vetting?
07:34You understand the risk you're taking?
07:37The management dug this hole two decades ago.
07:41There's no getting out of this overnight.
07:44There just isn't.
07:45I wish there was an easy way to explain this to you.
07:48They don't have the guys in the pipeline, man.
07:53So let me sum up what Roe has said so far.
07:57He said he's making and taking corrective action.
07:59I'm going to address a few of them right here because none of them are sufficient.
08:03First, he said, well, I went to the site.
08:06Congratulations, man.
08:08It's a freaking murder scene.
08:09You went to the site?
08:10What do you want, a cookie?
08:12What do you mean you went to the site?
08:14You should have been at the site the day of.
08:16You and Kim Cheadle, the former director, should have been there the day of, turning
08:22over and handling the crime scene transfer to the FBI.
08:27Why were you not there that day?
08:28What were you doing?
08:30Second, he says, well, we have vetting plans in place to now vet site security plans by
08:38supervisors.
08:39Folks, that's not new.
08:41A supervisor always has to vet your site security plan and sign off on it.
08:46I believe there's even lines on it, on the survey and the final survey for supervisors
08:52to sign off.
08:53So his corrective action is nothing more than the same action they took before.
08:58He's just saying that.
09:01They're going to vet security plans through multiple layers of management now?
09:05That's exactly what they did before and it failed.
09:10Number three, he says they're going to start using drones now?
09:15We had some wise ass in the Secret Service, a retired guy, send out an email.
09:19You idiots don't know anything about drones.
09:22I guess we're not idiots because your director, the guy who's ass you're kissing, has now
09:26said, hey, yeah, now we're going to use drones.
09:29I guess we're not so stupid.
09:32Maybe if you had a drone, you would have seen the guy on the roof with the gun shooting
09:36people and murdering someone.
09:39This is a corrective?
09:41You just figured out drones now?
09:46And this is supposed to inspire faith, man?
09:49Folks, what the fuck is going on here?
09:54This is the best we can do?
09:56This guy's part of this.
10:00And he's out there celebrating this response like, oh, and this guy, this is not, the public
10:04doesn't want to hear that.
10:07Your advanced team put those guys in danger.
10:11They almost got killed too because we failed.
10:13This isn't the time for a victory lap.
10:17What part of that don't you get?
10:21This is our job.
10:22We're paid to do this.
10:23It's not volunteer work.
10:25We're paid to keep the protectees alive.
10:27We're not paid to fuck around.
10:29What the hell do you think we're doing out there?
10:37Number four, he says they're going to fix communications.
10:40Now?
10:41Now you're going to fix communications.
10:44Has it ever occurred to you before protecting the highest threat profile figure in the entire
10:48globe, Donald Trump, to actually have open lines of communication through your security
10:53room and command post with actual law enforcement personnel with guns on the scene?
10:59Now you're going to do that.
11:03That may be the one thing he said that makes sense.
11:06I still can't understand how they didn't have communications that day.
11:10There were radios in the command post.
11:14Someone wasn't listening to them.
11:15And it's why I'm telling people who are emailing me, what you're hearing is not what happened.
11:23The radios are there.
11:26Sounds like an awfully convenient excuse.
11:27Oh, they were turned off.
11:30Really?
11:31Here's this one was hilarious.
11:34Rose says they're going to expeditiously start approving security assets.
11:38He's the one that denied the security assets.
11:41Can you put up the real clear article again, please?
11:44By Susan Crabtree, one of the few reporters out there doing work.
11:49Ron Rowe played key role in limiting resources for Trump.
11:53So his corrective is to what?
11:56Stop being Ron Rowe.
11:57He was the guy who stopped the assets from getting out there.
12:02You think he's going to give you an honest evaluation of asset restriction to the Donald
12:07Trump detail when he's the one who did it?
12:14He says that they're going to have a quick staff response to inquiries for the side agents
12:21on the scene that made all these security decisions.
12:24From what I'm hearing from people, they've made none of these people available to Congress.
12:28What are you talking about?
12:30The Trump detail.
12:31I've heard a peep.
12:32I've got people reaching out to me now.
12:35Why aren't the Trump detail guys speaking out?
12:37I don't know.
12:38I guess they've got nothing to say.
12:45Then another.
12:46Did you hear this part of the hearing again?
12:48We're trying our best to pull it up.
12:52They ask Ron Rowe, what did it take for you to evaluate this guy is a threat.
12:58He's there 90 minutes in advance, an hour in advance.
13:02He's walking around outside the perimeter with a backpack, which immediately suspicious.
13:07He seems to be doing pre-op surveillance.
13:10Then they find him with a range finder as he's trying to clearly evade police officers
13:15and take furtive action.
13:18And Rowe responds, it was a golf range finder.
13:22He wasn't there to play fucking golf, dude.
13:29He had a backpack, not a golf bag.
13:34Can you stop using this stupid excuse that a guy with a range finder, with a backpack
13:40acting suspiciously, wasn't enough reason to keep Trump off the stage?
13:44You just didn't do it.
13:46You failed.
13:47The team failed.
13:49Stop.
13:50Well, it's a range finder for golf.
13:55What was it?
13:56The golden bear out there?
13:57Freaking Jack Nicklaus.
13:59It was some crazy kid.
14:01They'd already been tracking the entire time.
14:03Who had a bag and didn't enter the magnetometer checkpoint?
14:07Because clearly he had something there he didn't want people to see.
14:11Freaking golf?
14:15Why would you even say something so freaking stupid?
14:20Folks, again, I'm not in this to make friends.
14:26You guys do whatever you want out there.
14:27I'm telling you to the guys in the agency trying to help me out to fix this thing.
14:32God bless you.
14:33And thank you.
14:34I know what you've done.
14:35I know your patriots.
14:36I worked with you.
14:37I worked with you.
14:38I know who you are and you know who I am.
14:40And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for trying to fix this disaster we've
14:44been talking about for decades.
14:46Books have been written.
14:47Articles.
14:48People have reached out to members of Congress.
14:50Nothing was done.
14:51Nothing was done.
14:52And now someone's dead and Donald Trump was shot in the head.
14:59Also there was an effort by row it appeared to again pawn this off on the locals.
15:04We told them it's your job to check.
15:07It's your job.
15:08I can't explain this to you in strong enough terms.
15:11The Secret Service's job is laid out in Title 18 of the United States Code Section 3056.
15:18It's clear as day.
15:19You can go read it right now.
15:213056.
15:22It is legally and administratively the Secret Service's job to keep them alive.
15:27It is not the Beaver County, Pennsylvania Police Department or Butler County.
15:31They were kind enough and heroic enough to provide assets.
15:35That's it.
15:36That is it.
15:37If the Secret Service can't do its job and it wants Beaver County to do it, I'm sure
15:42Beaver County will get deputized, take the $3 billion budget and figure out a way.
15:50So it's like, this is, man, we were, you know, we told them to get up there and cover
15:54this spot.
15:55Well, maybe you should have checked.
15:59It is unacceptable to blame these guys.
16:03It is not their job.
16:05They are there as a courtesy.
16:07They owe us nothing.
16:09There is nothing in the Beaver or Butler County Police Department guidelines that indicate
16:15that they are responsible for federal Secret Service protectees.
16:18I assure you, nothing.
16:21They are there as a courtesy.
16:24We should have staffed it.
16:26You've got three high points.
16:27You need staff.
16:28It's not Beaver County's job.
16:30Well, they didn't.
16:32You got some of it.
16:33All right, guys, do us a favor.
16:35I'm going to you know, let me read this spot.
16:37I'm going to take a quick break when it fades out.
16:39I'm going to try to run some of this hearing live.
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17:49Let's try to pull this up.
17:50See what we got here.
17:51See if we get this hearing.
17:52And let us know in the chat.
17:53We'll be watching if you can hear this.
17:55Assassination attempt and domestic terrorism.
17:57I don't hear it.
17:58I don't hear anything.
17:59Obviously, assassination attempt.
18:00Why make the distinction?
18:01What is different about that?
18:03We think it's important to cover all the possibilities here and the reality of what we're dealing
18:07with and what we've all seen, Senator.
18:10And we've learned lessons from the past.
18:11The baseball, the tragic shooting at the baseball field was referenced here.
18:16We've learned the lesson from that.
18:18That was not opened properly.
18:21And we've made changes in the Bureau and it's reflected here in terms of how this investigation
18:26is being approached with a completely open mind and inclusive of all the possibilities,
18:31including domestic terrorism.
18:32I fear that makes the investigation potentially partisan.
18:36Mr. Chairman, I would like to request that my July 14th letter to Attorney General Garland,
18:42Mayorkas, and Wray at the end of the record be asked for all kinds of information, documentation,
18:46asked a lot of questions.
18:47My preliminary findings of July 21st and July 23rd, including timelines, a bunch of questions
18:53as well at the end of the record.
18:55And then our updated timeline dated today, this goes not only by minute, by second.
19:00And we will continue to update this timeline as more information becomes public.
19:05This is the way you do investigation.
19:06We need to find out literally second by second, what happens so the American public understands
19:12the truth.
19:13Without objection, so ordered.
19:18Senator Butler.
19:20Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19:21Thank you to both of our chairman and ranking members for holding this incredibly important
19:27hearing critically for the American people to understand the safety and security that
19:34is being provided to our national leaders.
19:36Thank you both for being here and for, again, answering the hard questions.
19:43This is a time of, I think, heightened attention, deservedly so, not only for our national leaders,
19:51but for the teacher who decides that they're going to go and participate in their democracy
19:59or the firefighter who wants to hear the voice and vision of the potential next leader
20:06of this country.
20:07My thoughts and prayers really are with those Pennsylvania families who have lost loved
20:13ones or have been critically injured.
20:17As I offer my questions today, it would be in service to those to preventing future incidents.
20:26In the one question of looking backward to the event on the 13th, Director Abate, can
20:35you just talk a little bit about how did Mr. Crooks, how was he able to get an AR-15 onto
20:45the roof of that building?
20:47Does your investigation illuminate anything that we have learned to help to make that
20:54point more clear?
20:55We don't have definitive evidence yet as to how he got the rifle up there.
21:00Based on everything that's been collected thus far, photos, video, eyewitness accounts,
21:06we do believe he likely had it in the backpack.
21:09Broken down in the backpack?
21:11We're still assessing that.
21:13Our laboratory has taken, looked at the rifle itself and measured that against the backpack
21:19itself and if placed in this backpack, it would extend outside.
21:23It would have been visible.
21:25We don't have anyone who has observed him, who observed him with the backpack, with a
21:29rifle barrel or other part of it sticking out of the backpack.
21:34But the rifle would not have fit fully into this backpack to be concealed and whole.
21:40We have video that was recently found of the shooter walking in a distance from his car
21:48just before 6 p.m. about 5.56.
21:52I believe based on everything we have, we assess that he returned to his vehicle at
21:58that time, got the backpack and then proceeded back to the area, into the AGR building.
22:05And then he's observed, of course, on the roof just minutes later holding the backpack
22:11in front of him.
22:12In fact, there's dash cam footage from a police vehicle that shows him briefly traversing
22:18the roof with the backpack in front of him.
22:21And then it's just minutes after that that he's actually seen by the officer who I described
22:26with the rifle on the roof.
22:29It's possible that he broke the rifle down, but we don't have conclusive evidence of that
22:34and took it out of the bag on the roof in those moments before and reassembled it there.
22:39That's one of the theories we're looking at and working on right now.
22:42Thank you for that.
22:43You take me right, Acting Director Rowe, thank you for your years of dedicated service and
22:50jumping in in a hot time, but you take me right to this point of communication.
22:57There's been a lot of conversation about the, and even in your written and verbal testimony,
23:02you have talked a lot about the communication and the disparate nature in which it's happening
23:09across the different channels.
23:10One sort of foundational question that I have is, are all elements of an event communicated
23:15on the same channel?
23:17If I lost my kid and I'm at a big rally, are local law enforcement talking on the same
23:22channel about me losing my kid that they're talking about a suspicious individual?
23:28So when it comes to the locals, they likely have some type of common channel that they
23:36work off of in a county or an adjoining municipality.
23:41When it comes to the Secret Service, we do have various channels for various agents and
23:48our uniformed division officers working specific aspects of that advance.
23:54So it's not possible that the delay in communication or the losing of the thread of tracking this
24:03individual was sort of lost in the commotion of all of the other communications that could
24:08have been or maybe was not separate from the communication channels that were happening.
24:14Senator, I can only speak to the Secret Service lines of communication and we did not have
24:22anything beyond suspicious person that was communicated to us.
24:26What else did you mean?
24:27Last question really quickly because I'm out of time.
24:30Suspicious person with a rangefinder, dude.
24:32Was there any communication with the Secret Service that was talking directly with the
24:41president's, the former president's detail?
24:43That feels like there's been some question by colleagues about why the call wasn't made
24:48to delay the event.
24:50Help us understand the communication that either was or was not happening directly with
24:55the president, former president's detail to make the call to delay 10 minutes when we've
25:01all been to these events.
25:02They never happen on time, but to delay while this was being investigated.
25:09So the detail, all they, you know, they were operating on their net, which our security
25:15room was monitoring.
25:18But again, having information of a suspicious individual, there were other calls that day
25:24of individuals that came to the attention of law enforcement, of people that needed
25:28medical attention.
25:31So it really, that particular, regarding the assailant, that never really rose to a level
25:39of we should, we should not put him out there.
25:42Had we known that there was a dangerous individual out there, we would never let a protectee
25:48go out on stage.
25:49He was dangerous.
25:50He shot him in the head.
25:53Senator Hessen, recognize for your questions.
25:54Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
25:56I want to thank you and Chairman Durman and the ranking members for holding this joint
26:01hearing today.
26:02And thank you to our witnesses, not only for being here, but for your service to our country
26:07and to the men and women who lead.
26:10I am really grateful that former president Trump is safe and extend my sympathies to
26:15the family of Corey Comperatore who was shot at the rally and my sympathies to everyone
26:21who was injured.
26:23On July 13th, major failures nearly led to the assassination of a presidential candidate
26:28who is also a former president of the United States.
26:32The Secret Service has to be fully transparent about how this happened and how it's going
26:36to change moving forward, understanding there's also a need to balance Congress's engagement
26:42in oversight with allowing law enforcement to conduct an ongoing criminal investigation.
26:48I want to thank the agents of the Secret Service for selflessly acting to protect elected
26:53officials and their families and our former president.
26:56We're grateful for their sacrifices and their service.
26:59And I want to thank all law enforcement and particularly law enforcement officers and
27:03first responders who work to minimize harm to the crowd on July 13th.
27:09Mr. Rowe, I want to start with you.
27:12New Hampshire hosts many political rallies.
27:14Connecting the speakers and attendees at these events requires extensive coordination
27:18between state and local law enforcement, the Secret Service staff and obviously campaign
27:23event staff.
27:25As a former governor, I've experienced some of the challenges that this type of coordination
27:29can create, but we know that this coordination is really essential to public safety.
27:34It's clear that there were significant coordination failures on July 13th.
27:39You told us earlier that the local SWAT team told the Secret Service that local law enforcement
27:44had eyes on the AGR roof.
27:47But there are reports that members of a local SWAT team never met with the Secret Service
27:52in the days before the Butler rally.
27:54What steps does the Secret Service take prior to political rallies to ensure that the agency
28:00is effectively coordinating with the candidate's security details with state and local law
28:04enforcement and campaign event staff?
28:08So as part of the advance process, Senator, as happened in Butler as well, there's a police
28:14meeting and basically that initiates the advance.
28:18That's bringing in all the not only emergency management officials, but all the state and
28:23local law enforcement agencies that may have aspects of supporting or assisting in that
28:32advance and on that visit.
28:36The focus of that police meeting, one, is to exchange numbers and business cards and
28:40then coordinate time.
28:41Yes.
28:42I told you this yesterday.
28:44There were walkthroughs of the Butler farm site with local law enforcement agencies that
28:49were supporting that visit.
28:52And that was directly as a result of having that police meeting to begin the process of
28:57figuring out, dividing up the labor areas of responsibility.
29:02So what you're telling me is that at that meeting, the Secret Service, the first meeting
29:06led to the walkthrough that the Secret Service does with local law enforcement and that the,
29:11at least some members of directors of the local SWAT team would have been part of that
29:14process?
29:15Well, as I understand it, the Beaver County, they were seconded to assist Butler, but the
29:23Butler ESU team were part of the advance process.
29:28Okay.
29:29How many agents did the Secret Service provide to plan and secure this event and how many
29:33people from state and local law enforcement agencies supported the security of this event?
29:38So in totality between law enforcement, state and local and federal, there are 155 personnel
29:44at the Butler farm site that day.
29:47Ask them how many Secret Service agents.
29:49All combined Secret Service.
29:51It's in the seventies.
29:53And then we had support from Homeland Security investigations that were providing post standards.
29:58And then we had approximately 70 or so various Pennsylvania state law enforcement.
30:04Okay.
30:05Thank you.
30:06I want to go to one other issue before my time expires.
30:10You've talked today and in our secure briefing about the interoperability of the Secret Service's
30:18counter drone capability, that it failed early on.
30:24And so it didn't catch the drones over the site by the shooter.
30:29First, what changes are, you've addressed this a little bit, what changes is the Secret
30:35Service making to ensure that it has backup technology, but also what efforts did the
30:40Secret Service undertake to coordinate with other law enforcement regarding anti-drone
30:44capability at the rally site?
30:50We're working to determine that right now, Senator.
30:54We're getting the redundancies in place.
30:57It's been two weeks.
30:58It is a little complex.
31:03It's not complex.
31:05We don't necessarily have this ability to do that.
31:08It does require coordination with the FAA because it does, it could impact commercial
31:13property.
31:14Okay.
31:15Thank you.
31:16And Mr. Chair, I'm just going to follow up.
31:17And I think one of the things that you're hearing from a lot of folks, but I'm not sure
31:20we're really clear on yet, is how is it that somebody who clearly is arousing concern from
31:28law enforcement isn't identified as suspicious and how is it that that information doesn't
31:37get to the president, the former president's detail.
31:40So I'll follow up in writing.
31:42Thank you.
31:43No follow up in writing.
31:44Get the answer today.
31:45What do you mean you'll follow up in writing?
31:47He still hasn't answered it.
31:49Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
31:53Director Rowe, can you explain why the shooter's drone worked?
31:57Because there was no counter UAS present, sir.
31:59Yes.
32:00Well, you had a drone system, but you had bandwidth problems.
32:05The bandwidth apparently was adequate for the shooter's drone, but not for the Secret
32:09Service.
32:11Can you explain that?
32:12I have no explanation for it, sir.
32:15Then resign or figure it out.
32:16We also know that in the military context, electronic warfare or jamming capabilities
32:22are commonly used on the battlefield.
32:26Does the Secret Service have jamming capabilities or drones?
32:35We have drones, sir.
32:36And when it comes to, I have to be very careful about how I answer this one in an open forum.
32:43What I can tell you is that we have technical security measures, sir, to address, I think,
32:47what you're asking me.
32:48You didn't employ them.
32:49Well, the question is, can you take down a suspicious drone?
32:55Because this can be used not only for surveillance by the shooter, which obviously it was here,
33:01but also drones can be weaponized and be used as a threat to the president or, in this case,
33:13President Trump.
33:14Do you have the capacity to stop a weaponized drone?
33:20What I will tell you, sir, is that we have technical security measures that we utilize
33:25at permanently protective sites.
33:27We also have the ability, in a limited fashion, at temporary sites.
33:34What I can tell you is that, on this day, the counter-UAS system had technical difficulties
33:39and did not go operational until after 5 o'clock.
33:42And they still walked him out on stage.
33:43So, in this case, the shooter had a rifle, but somebody who wanted to kill a president
33:50or a former president or a candidate for president would not need a rifle.
33:55They could use a drone, correct?
33:58It is a potential threat vector.
34:01But not when they have technical difficulties, then you just let them out on stage anyway.
34:05Can you explain to us when a suspicious person becomes identified as a threat?
34:14Yes.
34:15Well, I think it's also when a weapon or some other dangerous item is then presented.
34:20You're walking around with a range finder in a backpack, furred over, as long as you
34:23don't have a weapon in you, you're good.
34:24A range finder would not render somebody a threat as opposed to somebody who was under
34:31suspicion.
34:32I think the range finder is what initially brought him to the attention of local law
34:37enforcement.
34:38Oh, my gosh.
34:40And why would the president be allowed to take to the stage while a suspicious person
34:46had been identified and before the Secret Service or local law enforcement were able
34:50to investigate the circumstances?
34:52So at that time, Senator, suspicion had not risen to the level of threat or imminent harm.
34:57Then find a new job.
34:59You made the wrong decision.
35:01Ultimately, that suspicious person did become a threat.
35:05Do you think if guys in my message have been asked not to?
35:08We didn't think he was suspicious enough to be a threat at the time, but then he shot
35:11a guy in the head.
35:13But we're good.
35:14We're going to get it right next time.
35:15Is that a shame that wouldn't that have been the appropriate way to to deal with it?
35:20Senator, it certainly is one way to do it.
35:22This is a challenge for law enforcement in general, is that being able to.
35:29You identify somebody that comes to your attention.
35:31It's not a challenge.
35:32You're trying to determine it's your job.
35:35What are there to determine when this guy is going to try to kill the president?
35:38You blew it.
35:39Stop.
35:40The individual was actually came to the attention for suspicion.
35:43He's on the outer perimeter adjacent to the the the secured site.
35:50Law enforcement is circulating for him.
35:52But again, without additional information at that point, additional information rising
35:59to the level yet where perhaps we should pull him off or delay him.
36:04And I'm just suggesting that maybe just maybe.
36:11President Trump's appearance should have been delayed while that suspicion could not be
36:15investigated.
36:16But you I've always thought of the Secret Service as the best of the best when it comes
36:22to their willingness to put themselves in harm's way to protect the life of their person
36:27they are detailed to.
36:29And I think you described the very rigorous process by which people are screened.
36:35And I think you mentioned the two percent standards of people who are interested in
36:40serving only a very small fraction of those individuals are actually accepted in the Secret
36:46Service because of the high standards that your agency has.
36:51But explain to me why the Secret Service, being an elite law enforcement agency, would
36:55delegate to local law enforcement or others because their guys are working investigation
37:02percent, not protection.
37:04In other words, that's exactly that's something that Secret Service should have covered as
37:08opposed to delegating it to local law enforcement.
37:11So Senator, again, this is where I went back to earlier when I said it was a failure to
37:18challenge our assumptions.
37:20We assume that the state and locals had it.
37:22By no means do I want to diminish the commitment, and I'm sure you agree, state and local law
37:28enforcement do their jobs every day and protect the communities that you represent.
37:32No doubt about it.
37:33So I think what we made an assumption that there was going to be uniform presence out
37:40there, that there would be sufficient eyes to cover that, that there was going to be
37:46counter-sniper teams in the ATR building.
37:50And I can assure you that we're not going to make that mistake again.
37:53Moving forward, I've directed our Office of Protective Operations that when our counter-snipers
37:58are up, their counter-snipers are up and they're on the roof as well.
38:04We do this all the time with our colleagues in the New York City Police Department when
38:09we cover the United Nations General Assembly.
38:11And so that is our TTP moving forward.
38:13Director Rowe, I would just submit to you that those assumptions can be lethal.
38:18Yeah, and in this case, they were.
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40:35Folks, back to the show.
40:36I warned you about this guy, and now you're seeing it in the hearing.
40:40Blaming the same big themes.
40:42Blaming the locals.
40:43Never answering the question why the Secret Service doesn't have enough people there.
40:47His correctives are things he's trying to hide himself from, that he's been involved in.
40:52Misallocation of assets.
40:54He's blaming everyone but himself.
40:57He is the guy.
40:58He was the deputy director responsible for this.
41:00Let's go back, see if he's got any more answers to this.
41:02Who's questioning now?
41:03I mean, the information, I mean, we are sitting 17 days into this, and I'm getting asked questions
41:09that I can't believe are true, but the public believes it's true.
41:12So what you all are doing is you're ruining your reputation, impacting the integrity of
41:17the federal government.
41:18It makes no sense to me.
41:20So are you going to commit to, are you going to do it once a month?
41:24I mean, and the FBI, the same thing.
41:27Not just you.
41:29What did Director Wray say?
41:30Did he say you couldn't do it?
41:33Senator, if I may jump in here.
41:34First, thank you all for your guidance in this regard.
41:37And in fact, we've done, we haven't done something every day, no doubt about that.
41:41But, you know, we're focused from the FBI side on the investigation, in part, as we
41:46laid out here today.
41:47We actually, based on your guidance, we did a media engagement, not a stand-up type press
41:53conference just yesterday, and laid out in full everything that I've shared here, even
41:59beyond that, just in the interest of time, but we are, because of the intense interest
42:05in this.
42:05Nobody trusts these guys.
42:07You think they'd be open doing pressers every day?
42:09This is the best they can do?
42:10Provided everything through media and through journalists, and here, all of the information
42:15that we have derived from the investigation.
42:18Thus far, we remain committed to do that in full, answering any and all questions and
42:22sharing any and all information we have.
42:24Except you're not doing it.
42:25You guys realize the value of going in front of the press.
42:27Right, right.
42:28Except for any piece of information you might actually need.
42:31I mean, you realize that if you don't do it that way, everything gets filtered.
42:35Busy, interfering elections.
42:36You get to put out all the information, and you should be providing, I mean, you should
42:41be every day saying, this is what we know now.
42:43Yes.
42:44Like Senator Johnson put together a timeline.
42:46You should have put together a timeline.
42:48You should have immediately put out, this is what we know right now, and this is what
42:51we don't know.
42:52Like you've said, you don't know how the gun got up there.
42:56Right?
42:56You've said it.
42:57But why have, that should have been out all along.
43:01Say, we're looking at it.
43:02It doesn't make any sense.
43:03We've done this.
43:04We've done this.
43:05If you do, I mean, this, I just don't get it.
43:08Why, what you're doing?
43:09You're ruining, I've said this about, about the FBI.
43:12I mean, the people that work the FBI, people who work at Secret Service, they're great
43:16people.
43:17You're a black hole.
43:19You lose the support of the American public because people don't believe you're being
43:22direct with them.
43:24No faith in these institutions.
43:26I don't, I completely disagree with your approach.
43:30I just want to finish.
43:31I've got, I've got, like everybody else.
43:33I said, I did a letter July 18th.
43:36I haven't gotten any answers yet.
43:37I want to put it into the record and I'd love to get the answers to this because this is,
43:41this is what the public is asking for.
43:42They want more information.
43:44They want to know what happened, who's going to be held accountable, and how we're going
43:47to make sure this never happens again.
43:49Thank you.
43:49Without objection, it'll be entered in the record.
43:56Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
44:00Thank you for being here to both of you.
44:01And more important, thank you for your professional dedication, your, your personal bravery and
44:09your devotion to the ideals of law enforcement.
44:12I know for both of you, this moment is a painful one.
44:16And Acting Director Rowe, I've heard you speak in a private setting very emotionally.
44:21And yeah, I'm sure he was emotional.
44:23Great.
44:24A guy's dead.
44:25Their family's emotional too.
44:26Well, sure.
44:27It's emotional because he's covering his ass.
44:29You share a commitment, along with Director Abate, to full public disclosure to the maximum
44:39extent possible.
44:40We can make speeches at you and I've made one myself in that private setting about the
44:45need for broader, fuller disclosure to the public, not just in press conferences, but
44:52in the course of your investigation about what you know and feel you can disclose without
44:57compromising your investigation.
45:01Let me ask you, last week, Senator Peters and Paul, along with Senator Johnson and myself,
45:09sent requests to both of your agencies to produce documents.
45:13We've only received a handful so far.
45:15Can you commit to when we can expect those documents?
45:18No, they won't.
45:20They're going to lie as long as possible.
45:20We will get them to you as quickly as we can, Senator.
45:23But they haven't.
45:24Can we expect them this week?
45:25We will work to meet that deadline, sir.
45:30And when can we expect all the communications, the text messages that agents have sent to
45:39each other?
45:39Eventually, all of it is going to come out.
45:41Actually, not a bad question.
45:44When can we expect all of those documents?
45:45Maybe the January 6th text too.
45:47Can you get those?
45:48We will gather them up and get them to you, Senator.
45:50You haven't yet?
45:51You understand, folks, it's been two weeks.
45:53We still don't have the text communications and emails from that day.
45:57And you trust him to give you, honestly, to give them over.
46:00The local law enforcement.
46:02Yeah, exactly.
46:02Michael brings up a good point.
46:03Oh, they just didn't know.
46:04Or the shooter on the roof, the snipers that were in place, that it was their job to take
46:20him out.
46:21But ultimately, doesn't the buck stop with the Secret Service?
46:27It stops with us, sir.
46:28But let me just clarify the perspective that they had on that roof.
46:37When I show you the perspective from what our sniper saw, he's on the downside of that
46:44ridge roof.
46:46So why wasn't he on the roof?
46:48The sniper was on.
46:49Looking out.
46:50This is bullshit.
46:50Their area responsibility.
46:52Looking left, they should have been able to see.
46:55You can see in that photo in Exhibit A, which we will make part of the record in terms of
46:59it.
47:00So you put your counter sniper guy in an unadvantageous position and then asked the
47:04local guy to take the better position and never followed up if they didn't take the
47:08position.
47:08I'm not saying that they should have neutralized him.
47:09Just to be clear, and you left open the line of sight.
47:11And if they had just held their post.
47:14Here he is.
47:14Here he is.
47:15Blame him again.
47:16Maybe.
47:17There's a lot of maybes there, Senator.
47:19A lot of maybes.
47:20Somebody needs to be held accountable.
47:23And I think Senator Graham hit the nail on the head.
47:29We need to know who specifically was responsible for doing what.
47:36Who was responsible for saying to former President Trump, sir, it's not safe to go out there
47:43yet.
47:44Who was responsible for making sure that those local law enforcement were doing their
47:54job?
47:55Who was responsible?
47:56Site agent from Pittsburgh, tracking down detail leader for the Trump DTD.
48:00That's your answer.
48:02He won't say that.
48:02To fit the profile.
48:0410 to 25 years old, young male.
48:10The FBI has warned us about it year after year after year.
48:13Director Ray has come before us and said the threat is from domestic extremism.
48:21The lone gunman.
48:23We're all aware of it in law enforcement.
48:27So I think we need individual accountability here and people need to be held responsible.
48:35In fact, lose their jobs.
48:37If necessary to send a message that.
48:42This massive intelligence and surveillance failure.
48:46As well as the enforcement failure cries out for accountability.
48:51Let me just ask in the short time I have left.
48:54What is the nature of the Iran threat?
48:58It's like a four year old threat.
49:01I'm sorry, sir.
49:02Can you repeat the question?
49:03What is the nature of the Iran threat?
49:07The threat to former President Trump that has been mentioned?
49:12But we know that.
49:14Let me be clear here.
49:15The terrorist regime of Iran.
49:19Have been targeting people who are country for many, many years now.
49:24We've talked about that here before.
49:25I want to be clear about that from the FBI standpoint.
49:27We have.
49:28We know folks.
49:29They've known about this Iran threat for a very long time.
49:32It's a real threat.
49:33It's not a joke.
49:34They've threats been going on forever.
49:36They're pretending this is new to pretend they just learned about it.
49:39This is why they're bumping up Trump security.
49:41They've known about this for years.
49:43A specific or imminent threat.
49:46On July 13th.
49:50We have no information that there are any co-conspirators or that foreign or domestic,
49:56including Iran, related to this.
49:58But we're not.
49:59I want to be clear.
50:00We have no evidence of that.
50:01We're not ruling anything out.
50:02We're looking into all possibilities and leaving our minds open to that.
50:06Was that on the minds of the Secret Service on July 13th, that there might be some.
50:12Threat from Iran.
50:15Sir, we as deputy director of a just said, we're aware of the public, the public sentiment and
50:21statements of the government of Iran to do harm to Donald J.
50:25Trump.
50:25And we use a threat based model.
50:28Well, clearly it's not working.
50:30Senator, also be recognized for your questions.
50:34Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
50:35And thank you both for your testimony today and for your service.
50:38Mr.
50:38I want to begin discussing Secret Service staffing.
50:42And the extent to which HSI or other personnel are augmenting or backfilling.
50:49And I come back to me.
50:51Secret Service is the same capacity for generally.
50:54And going down on the day of the assassination attempt.
50:56Secret Service can't say we don't have enough people and then say we're putting a president
51:01and former president out there and we don't have enough people.
51:04Then get more people or pull your people from investigative work and put them on protection.
51:09None of this is complicated.
51:12Folks, he doesn't want to ask.
51:14He doesn't want to answer either this basic question.
51:16Haven't done this line of work.
51:18It is the detail leader's job that day to be reaching out to the site agent who should be
51:23checking in with the locals to say, are we clear?
51:26You get this thing called the sit rep, a situation report.
51:30The situation report should always end with all clear.
51:33Come on in.
51:34What's the problem here?
51:35It was not all clear.
51:37They were working a threat.
51:38They keep saying was suspicious, but not a threat when it was a threat.
51:42Acknowledging they made a faulty threat assessment
51:46because the guy killed someone and shot President Trump in the head.
51:49If you can't make threat assessments, then let's get someone in there who can.
51:54And all of this bullshit about, well, we weren't being communicated with.
51:58Let me tell you a quick story.
51:59I was at Martha's Vineyard once with Obama.
52:01He was golfing with Bloomberg.
52:03I'm the lead advance.
52:04It's my site.
52:05The entire trip is mine.
52:07The boss's name was the boss's name at the time.
52:11Let's just call him Vinny.
52:12That's not his name, but whatever.
52:14The boss, the special agent in charge of Barack Obama's detail when he was president.
52:19Call him Vinny is reaching out to me about an air threat.
52:23He asked me a thousand times.
52:25Hey, where is it?
52:26Is it coming in?
52:27Is it low and slow?
52:28You want an air threat to be coming in high and fast.
52:31It'll blow right over you.
52:32You don't want it low and slow.
52:33Where is it?
52:34Where is it?
52:34What are we doing?
52:35Are we launching the combat air patrol?
52:38What did we we wound up doing it?
52:39We mitigated the threat.
52:41He was asking questions.
52:42You notice that none of this happened.
52:45There was no back and forth in communications whatsoever.
52:48Was the detail involved?
52:50Was the site agent involved?
52:52If they weren't, their job is to assess a threat, a threat.
52:55They clearly failed at assessing for moving it to suspicion to an actual threat, which
53:00it was.
53:01They failed.
53:04Folks, I want you to watch this.
53:05Can you run that video?
53:06The long one, just VO it for a few minutes.
53:07I want you to watch the book.
53:08Just keep the sound going.
53:10You don't want to.
53:10Yeah, this one.
53:11I want you to listen to this.
53:13This is like two minutes.
53:14Just play it on VO.
53:15Do you understand?
53:16Even if they blew everything for 90 minutes and failed to assess this guy is a threat,
53:21which he was building, there are people in the audience and cops looking for this guy
53:29as Donald Trump is on stage.
53:32He still hasn't been shot.
53:35Listen, there is no reason for him to have not been pulled off the stage.
53:41Zero.
53:42You failed.
53:44At this point, this is clearly gone beyond suspicion to a threat.
53:48Listen, I got a guy on a horse here coming by with a Trump flag.
53:56A woman, whatever.
53:57Trump's still talking.
53:59You can see the cops looking for this guy.
54:02This is Dave Stewart of Butler PA's video.
54:07His cell phone was confiscated and recently returned.
54:09This is a new video.
54:12You hear Trump's still talking?
54:16I want you to listen to this.
54:19No question at this point, you got a threat.
54:26Still going.
54:30Look at the cops now.
54:31You see him running.
54:32They know they got a problem.
54:38Look at this.
54:39Listen, make yourself small, bro.
54:42I don't know what's going on.
54:43Make yourself small.
54:45Everybody knows there's a threat here.
54:49Make yourself small because he doesn't want to get shot.
54:53There's Dave Smith.
54:55Now, folks, I just played this video for two minutes before gunshots rang out.
55:03You still telling me you do it was this person was still just suspicious and not a threat
55:08when everybody, including the police and the crowd at the site, the crowd is saying,
55:13make yourself small, the guy to his daughter or his friend or whatever, because they realize
55:18something bad is going to happen.
55:19And Donald Trump's still sitting out there.
55:21Isn't it the job of the detail and the site agent on the ground to be asking questions
55:29about what's going on with the threat?
55:30Well, the cops got somebody on the roof.
55:32Holy shit, we better get President Trump off the stage.
55:36Folks, this video is the most damning piece of information we have left.
55:40I'm going to cover more of this on the radio show later.
55:43Folks, I hope you appreciated me taking this live, given the severity of the situation.
55:48I feel like us and a few other reporters out there are the only ones really demanding answers.
55:53I'm going to cover this more on the radio show in a little bit.
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56:09And I think you saw it today.
56:11See on the radio show here on Rumble and a little bit back here tomorrow at 11 a.m.
56:15Thanks for tuning in.