"Jis kay Pas Power Nahi us Say Muzakrat Ka kiya Faidah"Barrister Ali Zafar's Blunt Statement
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"Jis kay Pas Power Nahi us Say Muzakrat Ka kiya Faidah"Barrister Ali Zafar's Blunt Statement
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"Jis kay Pas Power Nahi us Say Muzakrat Ka kiya Faidah"Barrister Ali Zafar's Blunt Statement
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00:00I have received a message from the government.
00:04You have proposed a negotiation.
00:08First, you tell us.
00:10Let us decide among ourselves.
00:11First, go home.
00:12Close the rooms.
00:13You decide.
00:14Do you want to impose restrictions and Article 6?
00:16Or do you want to negotiate?
00:17Because if you are terrorists,
00:19and if you are enemies of the country,
00:20and want to impose Article 6,
00:21how can you negotiate with them?
00:23You are enemies of the country.
00:24If you want to negotiate,
00:25then you are not enemies of the country.
00:26First, decide among yourselves.
00:28Thank you very much.
00:29I would like to explain the context.
00:30He has also explained the context.
00:32I have not agreed to the context.
00:36I have attended the hearing myself.
00:40I have seen the atmosphere in the room.
00:42There is no Chinese whispers here.
00:44I am sorry to say that my senior,
00:46brother and friend, Ali Zafar,
00:49I am a lawyer,
00:50he was taking this matter to the hearing.
00:52There is no Chinese whispers or a hearing.
00:55Baniye PTI, the former chairman,
00:58has no interest in what is happening in the trial.
01:02Let's see how many people from the media are present.
01:06Sir, listen to me.
01:07From the people of the media,
01:09just like you and I are here,
01:12there is a cutout in the middle.
01:15They talk from there.
01:16Whatever they talk,
01:17with clarity,
01:18all the journalists,
01:19Ali,
01:20the people,
01:21the party workers,
01:22everyone knows.
01:23I did not listen to them.
01:24I clarified what they said.
01:25It did not come through the journalists.
01:27It was a direct message.
01:29It came through his sister, Aleema Khan,
01:31who usually sends such messages.
01:33She said,
01:34this message has been given to me.
01:35And I am spreading this message.
01:37I have come to my point.
01:39As far as the restrictions on your speech are concerned,
01:42there are such evidences.
01:44I have said in many shows,
01:45in many press conferences,
01:47that Article 6,
01:48which was played with the country,
01:50which was circulated,
01:52which put the country's national security at peril,
01:55and all these things are present.
01:57This is a part of the record,
01:58it is a fact.
01:59But there is a small…
02:00Which record is this?
02:01Because on the record of justice,
02:02it has been released.
02:03No, no, no.
02:04The court has released it.
02:05The court, the Supreme Court…
02:06One second, one second.
02:07When the Supreme Court wrote a decision in front of you
02:09regarding the case of bail,
02:10and what was written in that decision?
02:12That even if your case is made,
02:14in this,
02:15any foreign power,
02:16which is a cipher,
02:17any foreign power,
02:18if it is used to benefit any foreign power,
02:20then Article 6 will be imposed on you.
02:22No one will benefit.
02:23This is written in that decision.
02:24I will tell you a little about that.
02:25It is written in that that
02:26more and more information has been leaked.
02:28If you make a case on that,
02:29then it becomes a two-year case.
02:30It is a secret official document.
02:32Look, you have to accept the case yourself.
02:34Look, Article 6,
02:35the case you are making,
02:36Article 6 is a national security document.
02:38It is made in that form,
02:40if you benefit any foreign power,
02:43which did not happen in this case.
02:44Now you are joking.
02:45In fact, you used to say,
02:46we are a political party.
02:48Political parties also joke with political parties.
02:51Political parties joke with political parties.
02:54Unlike them.
02:55Because they are repeatedly saying that
02:57they are told that if you want to joke,
02:59then do it with political parties,
03:01where they make calls and send messages.
03:04But the country does not joke with enemies.
03:06Look, on one hand,
03:07listen to this,
03:08your minister was saying,
03:10I don't know much about these things.
03:12I don't even believe.
03:13I generally talk to politicians
03:15in the political domain,
03:17This is what happens.
03:19If you are the enemy of the country today,
03:21then all the fatwas in this country are big.
03:23All the ministers,
03:24I was looking at the press conference today,
03:26fatwas are not only of religion in this country.
03:28All kinds of fatwas are issued.
03:30Article 6 also has fatwas.
03:31We are this country,
03:32he is from Ghadar.
03:33Every five years,
03:34Ghadar is also changed.
03:35No one has any right
03:36to distribute certificates of Ghadar.
03:38According to the law,
03:39all the documents are the same.
03:41Mr. Tariq,
03:42let me tell you quickly.
03:43Mr. Tariq,
03:44absolutely.
03:45The loyal government has banned PTI.
03:47The case will be moved.
03:48We are going to impose a ban on justice.
03:50There is a lot of credible evidence
03:52that a ban on justice should be imposed.
03:54The government has decided
03:55that then President Arif Alvi,
03:56then Prime Minister Imran Niazi
03:58and then Deputy Speaker Qasim
04:00will impose a ban.
04:01We have a lot of evidence.
04:03Now you say talk.
04:04No,
04:05look,
04:06the door of conversation should remain open.
04:07But I have a big principle stance.
04:09As a politician,
04:11as a patriot,
04:13there should be no ban on any party.
04:15But,
04:16with all due respect,
04:17I say in your show that
04:18this is not a democratic or political party.
04:20This is a cult following.
04:22You see,
04:23you can't see.
04:24Do you know what cult following is?
04:25Yes, absolutely.
04:26What is it?
04:27Cult following,
04:28you have seen the Netflix series.
04:29And it has not even moved.
04:30Listen to me.
04:31It was in the government.
04:32It was in the government.
04:33The KP lost to the local bodies.
04:35They lost.
04:36Cult following does not lose.
04:37The vote of the cult does not go anywhere.
04:39They were not a two-thirds majority party.
04:41You also know this.
04:43The day there was no confidence against Imran Khan,
04:45will you agree with me that
04:47they were not even a 5-7 seat party in Punjab at that time?
04:50I mean,
04:51first of all,
04:52agree with me so that
04:53your cult argument can go ahead.
04:55If that party had become so unacceptable,
04:57then if there was no cult,
04:59then your political wrong decisions
05:01made them acceptable.
05:03I mean,
05:04let's be honest.
05:05Look,
05:06I'll be honest with you.
05:07The steps they took,
05:08the kind of politics they want to do,
05:10the kind of propaganda they want to spread,
05:12and have been spreading,
05:13all these things,
05:14look,
05:15it's the 9th of May incident.
05:16They burnt it.
05:17They punished it.
05:18They should be punished.
05:19Absolutely.
05:20Absolutely.
05:21No one should have the courage
05:22to go to the military institutions
05:23or any national institutions
05:25and attack you.
05:26But no one should have the right
05:28to do a press conference and condemn you
05:30and then go to another party and forgive you.
05:32This should not happen either.
05:33This should not happen either.
05:34You are doing it.
05:35IG Punjab did a press conference
05:37and showed it to people.
05:39There were so many phone calls.
05:40You called this person.
05:41They changed the party.
05:42You didn't.
05:43No.
05:44I don't think
05:45decisions should be made
05:46according to law and order.
05:47No one should be forgiven
05:48or given any free space
05:49to change someone's party
05:50or change their loyalties.
05:51It has happened.
05:52Unfortunately,
05:53if it has happened in such cases,
05:55then I'm not privy to that.
05:57Ali Zafar sahib,
05:58Ali Zafar sahib,
05:59once again,
06:00the government
06:01comes up with this propaganda
06:02and then goes back.
06:03I don't understand
06:05They are also undecided
06:06about what to do.
06:07Sometimes they say
06:08there won't be any protest.
06:09There will be restrictions.
06:10Article 6 will be imposed.
06:11Then they say,
06:12let's talk about it.
06:13Where do you stand on this?
06:14Because as a politician,
06:16you can't say no to talks.
06:18You can't say no to protests.
06:20You can't compromise on your issues.
06:23What do you think about justice?
06:27I'll tell you three points on this.
06:30First of all,
06:31the demand for negotiations
06:34or the offer for negotiations,
06:36who is doing it?
06:38At what level is it?
06:40We need to find out
06:41whether the Prime Minister,
06:42the Cabinet,
06:43who has decided
06:44to negotiate.
06:46That's number one.
06:47Okay.
06:48If I say the Prime Minister
06:49will make an offer,
06:50will your reaction be different,
06:52Ali Zafar sahib?
06:55No,
06:56he thinks about it.
06:57No,
06:58the Prime Minister has already
06:59made an offer.
07:00The Prime Minister has already
07:01made an offer.
07:02One day the Prime Minister
07:03comes and says,
07:04he will do it one day.
07:06Listen to my third point.
07:08The first point is that
07:09we don't know who will negotiate.
07:11Today one person says
07:12to negotiate,
07:13tomorrow he says
07:14not to negotiate.
07:15The second point is that
07:16you negotiate with someone
07:18who has the power
07:19to make decisions.
07:21If you don't have the power,
07:23then there is no point
07:24in negotiating with him.
07:25And the third and most important thing
07:27is that you can't do this,
07:29that you oppress someone,
07:30kill someone,
07:31imprison someone,
07:32steal the election,
07:34and also say,
07:35let's come,
07:36let's talk.
07:37And the next day
07:38you kill again,
07:39and then you say,
07:40okay, you killed again,
07:41sorry,
07:42now you can talk again.
07:44So,
07:45the government has its own,
07:47if they really have a demand
07:49for negotiations in a democracy,
07:51it absolutely should be there,
07:53why not?
07:54Political parties
07:55talk to each other,
07:56you can talk about
07:57every point,