See No Evil - The Moors Murders S01E02-(480p) (1)
See No Evil - The Moors Murders
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00:00:30Brady's admitted killing the lad. We'll not be letting him go anywhere. What about Smith?
00:00:51Well, the little toad rag looks as though he's telling the truth, so we'll release him for now.
00:00:58And the girlfriend? Well, there's no evidence of direct involvement in the murder, so we'll let her go.
00:01:22Edward Evans's parents have been identified in the body.
00:01:43Thank you.
00:01:47Can you go?
00:01:52So they believe you?
00:01:54I don't know.
00:01:56They've let Myra go too, thank God.
00:01:57What?
00:01:58So she can't have been involved. Why did you lie to me, Dave?
00:02:02I didn't lie. She's the one that's lying. She must have fibbed her way out of it.
00:02:12Let's just get out of here.
00:02:21We haven't got time to mess around with you now. Get out.
00:02:33Sir, we found a wallet inside the car.
00:02:36This is Brady's car?
00:02:37No, that's Henley's car. Brady doesn't drive.
00:02:39There's sheets of paper inside here. We've got them copied.
00:02:46What do you think this is?
00:02:48Some kind of disposal plan for a body.
00:02:49Okay, explain it to me.
00:02:51We think hat is hatchet, wreck, reconnaissance.
00:02:57Check. Periodically unmoved. Check what's unmoved.
00:03:01Body. Bodies.
00:03:05Check WHPB.
00:03:06No. Governance.
00:03:09Is this where it happened?
00:03:11Aye. Hard to believe, isn't it?
00:03:13Must have spent ages cleaning up this place.
00:03:15So where was the body found?
00:03:16Over by the window. Fetal position. Body wrapped in polythene.
00:03:20Bit of a photographer, is he then, Brady?
00:03:23Fond of remorse by the looks of it.
00:03:32Isn't that her?
00:03:33Aye, that's her.
00:03:35Come to see a granny, I expect. Had to boot her out of here, obviously.
00:03:38You sure you've done the right thing, letting her go?
00:03:41That's Benfield's decision, no mine.
00:03:43What do you think, sir?
00:03:44I think there was a plan to get rid of the body using the car.
00:03:47Look, car. Remove all movable objects.
00:03:49Clean cover, floor and seat. Fresh poly at night.
00:03:52I mean, this is her car.
00:03:53He doesn't even drive, you said.
00:03:55Who else is going to drive the car, for Christ's sakes?
00:03:57What's he put a body in the back?
00:03:58How can she possibly not be involved?
00:04:08Hey, come here.
00:04:10Shut up!
00:04:15Mrs Smith?
00:04:17Yes?
00:04:17DCI Mousie, Ashton Police. I need to speak to your husband.
00:04:20Come in.
00:04:20Thank you.
00:04:22Dave Smith?
00:04:23What?
00:04:24Go on, get in there.
00:04:25You told Detective Chief Superintendent Benfield Brady claimed he killed others.
00:04:29Yeah, well, he wasn't listening, was he?
00:04:31Well, I am.
00:04:32Did he say who he killed, or when, or where?
00:04:36Did he say who he killed, or when, or where?
00:04:40No.
00:04:40And you didn't ask?
00:04:42Why should I?
00:04:43Even when he told you he was going to use guns for this bank job?
00:04:46What bank job?
00:04:47Dave, what's this?
00:04:49Me and him had this stupid idea about robbing a bank.
00:04:52What?
00:04:52Bloody idiot.
00:04:53Well, I didn't know if he was serious or not, did I?
00:04:55Even when we got rid of the stuff in the suitcases, I didn't know.
00:04:59What stuff?
00:05:00Stuff they thought would be incriminating.
00:05:02What exactly was in these suitcases?
00:05:05Hey!
00:05:06Answer me!
00:05:07There was some books of mine, the rest was theirs.
00:05:09I just helped them put the cases in the car and then they drove them off.
00:05:12Where?
00:05:13I don't know.
00:05:14Come on, son, he must have told you something.
00:05:16Where?
00:05:17Well, they might have said something about left luggage.
00:05:22They?
00:05:22So Myra was in on this too, yeah?
00:05:24Yeah.
00:05:25Ian said she was going to drive the getaway car.
00:05:27Jesus Christ, Dave!
00:05:28What else haven't you told me?
00:05:37Come on, Myra, you're just digging a big hole for yourself.
00:05:39You think you're being clever, but you're not.
00:05:41We've heard Brady's version and we've heard what Dave says.
00:05:45I've already told you.
00:05:47I've got nothing to say.
00:05:48My version of events of that evening are exactly the same as Ian's version of events.
00:05:54We found a piece of paper in Myra's car with the initials WH on it.
00:05:59I think that stands for Woodhead and that's Ian.
00:06:02Dunno.
00:06:03Well, these are the nearest moors to Attersley.
00:06:04Yeah, well, they took us to different places.
00:06:06So should you and me go for a walk, yeah?
00:06:08Right.
00:06:14You don't really think there are bodies up here?
00:06:16I'm trying not to think anything, love.
00:06:19But if there are, I mean, we can't be anything to do with Myra.
00:06:25You said Brady made some remark about you having stood on the grave of one of his victims?
00:06:29Yeah, he did.
00:06:31Ian and Myra drove us up to the moors.
00:06:35Me and Ian went for a walk and there was a reservoir below us.
00:06:39He wanted me to stand in a particular place.
00:06:41Here!
00:06:46Do you think this is the spot?
00:06:49Is this the spot?
00:06:51I don't know.
00:06:55Thank you.
00:06:56I have reason to believe that with David Smith you discussed killing people
00:07:01and burying them on the moors.
00:07:03It was all part of the fiction to emplace them.
00:07:06Smith says you told him after you killed Evans that was the messiest yet.
00:07:09Why say that if there were no others?
00:07:12That was to do with the situation, Wheelan.
00:07:14I've got nothing to say.
00:07:15My version of events of that evening is exactly the same as Ian's.
00:07:20Well, it's not your version, is it?
00:07:21It's Ian's version.
00:07:22You're just using his words.
00:07:24Is it brave he says that Myra does?
00:07:25How many more times do I need to tell you?
00:07:28There was an accident.
00:07:30My version of events is exactly the same as Ian's.
00:07:33Tell me about this fiction to impress Smith.
00:07:37Ask Smith.
00:07:38No, I'm asking you.
00:07:43I told you, ask Smith.
00:07:47I've done nothing.
00:07:49As far as I know, Ian's done nothing.
00:07:51Dave Smith's a bloody little liar.
00:07:54Now, come on, tell us exactly what went on that night.
00:07:56There was an accident.
00:07:58That's all I'm saying.
00:07:59Well, shall we call it murder?
00:08:01Why did you take that photograph?
00:08:06Well, I must have been attracted by the composition.
00:08:11Why is Myra looking at the ground?
00:08:13You'd have to ask her that.
00:08:15Well, I'm asking the photographer.
00:08:16Why is she looking at the ground?
00:08:18Is there something special about that particular piece of ground?
00:08:22Is it because it's a grave?
00:08:24No.
00:08:28Is she you standing on a grave?
00:08:30Is her standing on a grave?
00:08:32Is she your personal graveyard?
00:08:34Pictures.
00:08:35Just pictures.
00:08:37And that place, that grave, that was wooded, wasn't it?
00:08:40And that general area, aye?
00:08:42But again, it was a fiction.
00:08:45I've got police officers from three forces up there right now, Brady, digging up your fiction.
00:08:50Well, that is a monumental exercise in futility, my friend.
00:08:55Watch your step there, lad, watch your step.
00:08:57If you keep going, you'll keep yourself warmer.
00:08:59Make sure you push the stick really deep.
00:09:09Go on.
00:09:11Can you tell us what's happening up here?
00:09:14Well, we've got members of the public helping with the search.
00:09:17They've come from far and wide around.
00:09:20If we find anything with the sticks that smell like human remains...
00:09:24Thank you.
00:09:24...we don't miss anywhere.
00:09:27Keep it open.
00:09:28All the grounds are, dear.
00:09:31The search of Mormon, adjacent to the A628 Woodhead Pass,
00:09:35has been going on for over two days now.
00:09:38But the police have still found no evidence that any bodies have been buried there.
00:09:43There's been no official confirmation from the police.
00:09:46I'm sorry, Mrs Kilbride, there's still nothing.
00:09:50I see.
00:09:51There's been no official confirmation either as to how long this search may continue.
00:09:56But indications are it may go on for some time.
00:10:03I think we might have something here, sir.
00:10:06No, that's not it.
00:10:07No, it's just a dead tree.
00:10:09All right, keep at it, lads.
00:10:10Sorry.
00:10:17Which room is Jackson in?
00:10:19Room number two.
00:10:21I'm going to mention some names to you.
00:10:24Names of children.
00:10:26I just want you to tell me if you've heard of them.
00:10:33Leslie Anne Downey.
00:10:35Never heard of her.
00:10:37Keith Bennett.
00:10:41John Kilbride.
00:10:46Never heard of him.
00:10:49All right, then.
00:10:50Have you heard of Pauline Reid?
00:10:52Is that funny, Ira?
00:10:55I knew Pauline Reid.
00:10:57I grew up with her.
00:10:58I liked her.
00:11:02Leslie Anne Downey.
00:11:08Have you heard of Leslie Anne Downey?
00:11:10It has been pretty public.
00:11:12Papers, television, rewards.
00:11:16Nobody at work ever mentioned Leslie Anne Downey?
00:11:20And John Kilbride, you've never heard of him?
00:11:22I don't know him.
00:11:23I have never heard of him.
00:11:25Have you ever been to Ashton Market?
00:11:27No, I have never been to Ashton Market.
00:11:29Never.
00:11:30Never been to Ashton Market.
00:11:32Where do you shop, then?
00:11:33I shop at Ansega's sometimes.
00:11:35I go into the city centre.
00:11:38Where do you shop?
00:11:39John Kilbride I'm talking about went missing from Ashton Market,
00:11:4223rd of November, 1963.
00:11:44And I'm supposed to have murdered him and buried him on the moors.
00:11:48I believe so, yes.
00:11:51And I suppose I did the same to the other names in this book, eh?
00:11:57Joan Crawford, Robert Urquhart, Alec Guinness.
00:12:03Dearie me, I mean,
00:12:06Alec will be sorry to hear the premature end of his acting career.
00:12:15Do you have children?
00:12:17Eh?
00:12:19Two.
00:12:22Well, I can understand why this is an emotional subject for you.
00:12:27Emotional subject for you.
00:12:49We'll not get a cough out of him.
00:12:50Come on, lads, I know you're tired, but you're doing a grand job.
00:13:01See, the ground she's on here is quite flat and stony.
00:13:04And I've been all over, I can't find any ground like that round here.
00:13:07That's it, lads, come on.
00:13:09You think we're looking in the wrong place, don't you?
00:13:12I don't know.
00:13:13If there were more background in the photo, something to give us a reference point.
00:13:17Right, so if WH is in Woodhead, what else could it stand for?
00:13:21Well, they're in bloody heights for all I know.
00:13:24Prescott's not going to let this go on for much longer.
00:13:28If we don't find the bodies, they're going to get away with this.
00:13:31Sir, message from Jock Carr.
00:13:34The suitcases that Smith told us about, he's found them.
00:13:47Good lad.
00:13:49Right, let's have a look then, shall we?
00:13:59You've got a tape recorder in the station, too?
00:14:02Jock, go and ask the sergeant, will you?
00:14:05Find the tape recorder.
00:14:17Sir, isn't that Lesley-Anne Downey?
00:14:33Looks like her.
00:14:39Oh, fucking hellfire.
00:14:41We need to talk to Smith, sir.
00:14:47Jock?
00:14:54You're right in it now, Smith.
00:15:24Come on.
00:15:38Hey, you better have some bloody good answers.
00:15:40What's going on?
00:15:49What's this about?
00:15:55Do you recognise any of this lot?
00:16:00The notebook's mine.
00:16:01I don't know anything about the rest of it.
00:16:03You lying little bastard.
00:16:05What?
00:16:07What am I supposed to have done?
00:16:08You know what's on that tape, don't you?
00:16:10You know what company bought that song, don't you?
00:16:12Yes, you do, because you were there when it was made.
00:16:14I wasn't.
00:16:15A little girl being asked to do unspeakable things for a man by a woman.
00:16:18A little girl crying for a man, begging for mercy.
00:16:21Only you didn't show any mercy, did you?
00:16:23You helped Hindley and Brady torture and kill her.
00:16:25You helped him kill her?
00:16:25Like you helped him kill Edward Evans?
00:16:27No.
00:16:27Well, let's see if we can jog your memory, shall we?
00:16:28Look at that.
00:16:29Who's that?
00:16:30That's Leslie Ann Downey before you got hold of her.
00:16:32And she's sweet.
00:16:33She innocent.
00:16:34She trusted.
00:16:35Now, look what was done to her in her bedroom at number 16, eh?
00:16:38Look at that.
00:16:39You were there, weren't you?
00:16:40You were watching.
00:16:41No, I wasn't.
00:16:42So what do you think of all Myra now, then?
00:16:44Well, it might not be Myra's voice on the tape.
00:16:46I mean, it might be some other woman.
00:16:48Myra's voice or it?
00:16:49Do you think Dave told you everything about his relationship with Iain and Myra?
00:16:53He didn't tell you about the armed robbery?
00:16:56So what else don't you know?
00:16:58Well, what else could there be to know?
00:17:00Well, how would you describe his sexual inclinations?
00:17:02What's that got to do with anything?
00:17:04Brady lent him dirty books.
00:17:05Lots of people read books like that.
00:17:07It doesn't mean anything.
00:17:08And lots of people interfere with children.
00:17:10And some of them even murder him.
00:17:13Are you not saying Dave's doing that?
00:17:16I don't know.
00:17:17Do you think he could?
00:17:19I mean, why, for God's sake?
00:17:22I live with him.
00:17:23I sleep with him.
00:17:26How can you ask me that?
00:17:27You live with him.
00:17:28You sleep with him.
00:17:30So who else would be in a better position to know the truth?
00:17:33Well, I don't know the truth about Dave, about my sister.
00:17:37I don't know the truth about bloody anything anymore.
00:17:41Notes taken from books I have enjoyed.
00:17:45He said that what she refused him, he was going to take by force.
00:17:52So let the girl be stripped naked.
00:17:59So the idea of raping young girls gives you a kick, does it?
00:18:04No.
00:18:04Rape is not a crime.
00:18:07It is a state of mind.
00:18:09Murder is a hobby and a supreme pleasure.
00:18:14I just copied that to impress him.
00:18:15No, no.
00:18:16Come on, lad.
00:18:18You enjoyed killing Edward Evans, didn't you?
00:18:21And Lesley Ann Downey, John Kilbride, Pauline Reid.
00:18:26Pauline Reid?
00:18:27You think she's part of this?
00:18:29I know she is.
00:18:30I knew Pauline.
00:18:31I grew up with her.
00:18:31You think I could have killed her?
00:18:33That's exactly what Myra says.
00:18:34And she's lying.
00:18:35And Brady's lying.
00:18:36And I think you're lying too.
00:18:38I haven't killed anyone.
00:18:39I haven't.
00:18:40But you haven't told us everything, have you?
00:18:43Have you?
00:18:45Shall we listen to that tape, shall we?
00:18:46Shall we listen to that little girl begging for mercy?
00:18:48I'll play it to you, lad.
00:18:49I'll play it to you again and again till you tell me the truth.
00:18:52What haven't you told us?
00:18:57Edward Evans.
00:18:58What about him?
00:19:02More than a metre in the ship with money.
00:19:04The council are threatening to evict us.
00:19:08I told Ian.
00:19:10He said he'd go down Manchester, find a businessman,
00:19:13bring him back and we'd rob him.
00:19:15That's why Myra came along for me that night.
00:19:19I thought we were just going to frighten the bloke.
00:19:23So we'd hand over his wallet.
00:19:24But I walked in and it was Ian with the axe.
00:19:29Why didn't you tell us this before?
00:19:31Because I knew what you'd think.
00:19:32You'd think what I'm trying not to.
00:19:35That Evans would still be alive now if me and Ian had made that plan.
00:19:40But I promise you, I haven't hurt any children.
00:19:46At least tell me you believe that.
00:19:50I do actually, lad.
00:19:54Good lad.
00:19:55Have another fag.
00:20:03There may have been a plan for a robbery but there's no murderer.
00:20:07Can I wait for him?
00:20:08Go on then, get yourself home.
00:20:11Sir, 13-year-old girl from Hattersey's come forward with new information.
00:20:15She's saying that Brady and Hindley befriended her,
00:20:17took her out for some drives on the moors.
00:20:19Does she know which moors?
00:20:20Yes, she's very clear.
00:20:21It was Wessenden Head, Saddleworth.
00:20:23WH?
00:20:24Exactly.
00:20:24We've been looking in the wrong place.
00:20:25Right, move the troops there tomorrow.
00:20:27I'll call Prescott and tell him.
00:20:28Oi, hang on.
00:20:30Do you know how lanky's your troops?
00:20:31Some are mine and some are Manchester's.
00:20:33You're not saying you don't want us to carry on searching, sir?
00:20:37No, I'm not saying that.
00:20:38Just be aware.
00:20:39I can't fund an operation like this indefinitely.
00:20:42And I'm sure that Manchester won't either.
00:20:44Thank you, sir.
00:20:49Lads, thank you.
00:20:52Come on, lads, boys.
00:20:53What's it going to wait?
00:20:54Sir, sir, don't go without us here.
00:20:56I need to splash my boots.
00:20:57Come on.
00:20:58Beer's even, aren't they?
00:20:59Thank you, boys.
00:21:00Thank you very much.
00:21:10Thank you, boys.
00:21:12Thank you.
00:21:13Don't worry, Bob.
00:21:16Another good day's work, lads.
00:21:18Thank you very much.
00:21:19Better luck tomorrow, sir.
00:21:21If there is a tomorrow.
00:21:23Sir.
00:21:25I don't think Prescott's going to let this go on any longer.
00:21:28What, you think this really is it?
00:21:31Sir.
00:21:32Sir, up here.
00:21:33What?
00:21:35Something bony sticking out of the ground, sir.
00:21:36It's not messing with us, it's England.
00:21:39Yeah, just another dead sheep, lad.
00:21:41I don't think so, sir.
00:21:48Watch out.
00:21:50Come on, then.
00:22:09Is it true there's a body, Mr. Benfield?
00:22:12Mr. Talbot?
00:22:13Mr. Talbot, can you give us any detail?
00:22:19All right, Joe?
00:22:22Sir.
00:22:23Mantis is here.
00:22:25Now disclose it to me, lads.
00:22:27Do you know whose body it is yet?
00:22:29All I know is it's not John Kilbride.
00:22:32Little girl.
00:22:33Are you ready, Dougie?
00:22:34When you are, Arthur.
00:22:49Sir.
00:23:11Is it male or female?
00:23:13Come on, lads.
00:23:13Give us a break.
00:23:14We're not saying anything tonight.
00:23:15Get back.
00:23:16Give us some room, would you please?
00:23:18Mr. Mountie, are there any more?
00:23:21Let us through.
00:23:24How many are there, Mr. Talbot?
00:23:26Can you give us any detail?
00:23:28Is it a boy or a girl?
00:23:30Are there any more, Mr. Benfield?
00:23:31We'll make a statement tomorrow.
00:23:42No more.
00:23:45All right, that's it.
00:23:46Thank you.
00:23:46Good work, Barry.
00:23:47Good work.
00:23:48Excellent.
00:23:49Yeah, and the same with you.
00:23:50Thank you very much.
00:23:52Sir.
00:23:56Well, that was Professor Poulsen.
00:23:57Upper Mill Mortuary.
00:23:59Mother's identified the body.
00:24:01It's Lesley-Anne.
00:24:02Congratulations, everyone.
00:24:04What next?
00:24:05Well, we charge Brady and Hindley with the murder of Lesley-Anne Downey.
00:24:08Then it stumbles on me over at the Queen's.
00:24:11What about the others?
00:24:14John Kilbride.
00:24:15Keith Bennett.
00:24:17Pauline Reid.
00:24:18Well, they're irrelevant now.
00:24:25Sir.
00:24:25What?
00:24:29I've, uh, I've done another print from the original negative.
00:24:33I've been able to bring up a lot more of the background.
00:24:35And look, I swear that is definitely
00:24:37Holland Brown Don in the background.
00:24:39Right, Mash.
00:24:40Are you saying if we walk around those rocks,
00:24:42do we find a view that matches this one?
00:24:44We should find one of the graves.
00:24:47Where did you get the negative from, Mike?
00:24:50It was in the suitcases.
00:24:53But all that stuff got taken away by Manchester.
00:24:55I know.
00:24:56Went down there and nicked it off them.
00:24:59Well, you bad lad.
00:25:16Come on, lads, I know you're tired.
00:25:33Sir, I think it's here.
00:25:45Mash?
00:25:46Yeah, that's right.
00:25:49Here we go again.
00:25:56Oh.
00:26:16So.
00:26:46Forensics, please, Pat.
00:26:54Yes, sir.
00:26:57Get the camera.
00:27:16So.
00:27:46So.
00:28:08Go, please.
00:28:08Do as you're told.
00:28:09Lads, get out.
00:28:11Come on, you two.
00:28:11Mum, I want to stay.
00:28:12Danny.
00:28:13I want to stay.
00:28:15Let him stay.
00:28:16That's him.
00:28:46Yes, that's John's.
00:28:56I'm so sorry.
00:29:04Sorry to disturb some, um, some sad news.
00:29:08Your dog.
00:29:10We needed to establish her age in order to be sure
00:29:13that the photo of you crouching over John Kilbride's
00:29:16grave was taken after his disappearance.
00:29:19So we asked the vet to perform a dental x-ray,
00:29:21and I'm sorry to say she never came round
00:29:24from the anaesthetic.
00:29:26You murdering fucking bastards.
00:29:30Yes, well, I'm a dog lover myself,
00:29:31so I can appreciate the distress.
00:29:35Sorry to interrupt, sir.
00:29:41Right, well, I'm sorry about your dog,
00:29:42but we must press on.
00:29:43It's a funny time of the night to be doing house calls.
00:30:13Where's Maureen?
00:30:18In the bedroom.
00:31:14Where are the cops?
00:31:36Come on, now, Maureen.
00:31:42You're not speaking up at all, you bitch.
00:31:45You damn child molester.
00:31:47You're unscathed.
00:31:49You're a bastard.
00:31:51Put you away.
00:32:04Stand there.
00:32:05Please repeat after me.
00:32:13I swear by almighty God.
00:32:15I swear by almighty God.
00:32:17That the evidence I shall give.
00:32:19That the evidence I shall give.
00:32:21Shall be the truth, the whole truth,
00:32:23and nothing but the truth.
00:32:25Shall be the truth, the whole truth,
00:32:27and nothing but the truth.
00:32:29And nothing but the truth.
00:32:35You've already admitted that you and your husband
00:32:37were in trouble with the rent.
00:32:39What's that got to do with it?
00:32:41You were desperate for money.
00:32:43Well, yes.
00:32:45You were aware your husband had sought
00:32:47Brady's help over the rent.
00:32:49I know he'd shown Ian the letter, that's all.
00:32:51You were not aware of any further conspiracy between them?
00:32:53No.
00:32:55Are you not in your husband's confidence?
00:32:59No.
00:33:03I believed what he told me.
00:33:05But he did not always tell you the truth.
00:33:07Nevertheless, you are married
00:33:09and feel you must stand by him.
00:33:11No.
00:33:13Are you all right, Mrs Smith?
00:33:15I'm sorry.
00:33:17I'm aware
00:33:19of the advanced state of your pregnancy.
00:33:21Do you feel able to carry on?
00:33:23I've got to, haven't I?
00:33:25You've told the court that your sister
00:33:27was a regular visitor to Ashton Market.
00:33:29Yes, I have.
00:33:31Are you quite sure about that?
00:33:33There are many nearer places for her to shop.
00:33:35But she liked to go to Ashton.
00:33:37Mrs Smith, you know it's believed
00:33:39John Kilbride was abducted from Ashton Market?
00:33:41Yes.
00:33:43And so to imply Myra regularly went there
00:33:45when she didn't,
00:33:47might be to damage her reputation.
00:33:49Yes.
00:33:51And so to imply Myra regularly went there when she didn't,
00:33:53might be to dangerously mislead the jury.
00:33:55Well, why would I want to do that?
00:33:57Because you have sided with your husband
00:33:59against your sister.
00:34:01No.
00:34:03All I want to do is tell the truth.
00:34:05Did you go shopping frequently
00:34:07with Myra, Mrs Hindley?
00:34:09Yes.
00:34:11To your knowledge, did she ever go to Ashton Market?
00:34:17No.
00:34:19Can you think of any reason
00:34:21why she should go there?
00:34:23No. We have markets closer to home
00:34:25if we need them.
00:34:27Thank you, Mrs Hindley.
00:34:37Mr Smith!
00:34:41This is your notebook.
00:34:43Yes.
00:34:45It contains numerous passages taken from books.
00:34:47From books Brady gave me, yes.
00:34:49There are passages justifying rape and murder.
00:34:53Do you believe rape and murder would be justifiable?
00:34:55No.
00:34:57There are passages dealing with sexual perversion
00:34:59of various kinds.
00:35:01Yes.
00:35:03Passages about a girl being flogged,
00:35:05and that kind of thing.
00:35:07Did you take pleasure in them?
00:35:09I was just trying to understand
00:35:11what the offer was getting at.
00:35:13Did you tell Ian Brady
00:35:15you could make money
00:35:17by selling pornographic photographs?
00:35:19No, I didn't.
00:35:21On Boxing Day 1964,
00:35:23you brought a girl to the house of Brady and Hindley,
00:35:25did you not?
00:35:27No!
00:35:29That girl was Leslie Ann Downey.
00:35:31Where have you got this from?
00:35:33And Brady told you the girl you had brought was too young.
00:35:35I never took her there!
00:35:37You nevertheless stayed downstairs
00:35:39while photographs were taken of the girl upstairs,
00:35:41and that was the last Brady and Hindley saw of her.
00:35:43No!
00:35:45I put it to you that you murdered Leslie Ann Downey.
00:35:47No!
00:35:49I put it to you that, far from Millie watching,
00:35:51you helped Brady kill Edward Evans.
00:35:53I did not!
00:35:55The truth is that when you saw violence,
00:35:57you had to join in.
00:35:59I thought I'd come here as a witness.
00:36:01I thought it was them on trial, not me.
00:36:03No more questions, my lord.
00:36:05Has your lordship got any questions?
00:36:07No.
00:36:09You are released, Mr Smith.
00:36:11Court is adjourned
00:36:13until ten o'clock tomorrow morning.
00:36:15All rise!
00:36:19Mrs West!
00:36:23It's not true what he's trying to say about me.
00:36:25Come on, let's just go.
00:36:27It had nothing to do with what happened to Leslie Ann.
00:36:29Why should I believe you?
00:36:31Because it's the truth.
00:36:33David!
00:36:35Manchester Evening News!
00:36:37What have you done, David?
00:36:41She's pregnant!
00:36:43She's pregnant!
00:36:45You're the third boy's murderer!
00:36:47Shut your face!
00:36:59I think it's this way.
00:37:01No, it's this way.
00:37:07David!
00:37:15Where's your husband?
00:37:17Speak to me!
00:37:19You are a liar!
00:37:21Where?
00:37:23Get off him!
00:37:25Get off him!
00:37:27You must have known!
00:37:29I need to know, for God's sake!
00:37:31I'm pregnant, for God's sake!
00:37:33Your blood runs through my veins!
00:37:35Please!
00:37:37Please erase it!
00:37:39Ann!
00:37:41Kill me as well if you kill my Leslie!
00:37:43Come on.
00:37:45You deserve the same, both of you!
00:37:47Come on.
00:38:05Why did you have to talk to him?
00:38:07I had to make him understand
00:38:09that what Myra and Ian did had nothing to do with me.
00:38:11Yeah, well, why should people believe that?
00:38:13What?
00:38:15Well, Edward Evans wouldn't have died, would he, Dave?
00:38:17If he'd not let Ian draw you in.
00:38:19I didn't know they were going to kill him.
00:38:21Yeah, but he must have seen something in you, mustn't he?
00:38:23Eh?
00:38:25To make him think you could become part of it.
00:38:27Part of what?
00:38:29Whatever it was, him and Myra.
00:38:31Shut up!
00:38:33You evil bitch!
00:38:35I'm sorry.
00:38:43I'm sorry, Maureen.
00:38:45It'll be all right now.
00:38:47Now you've done that.
00:38:49Maureen, I'm so sorry.
00:38:51I'm sorry.
00:38:55Would you tell us, Miss Hindley,
00:38:57what your feelings were for Ian Brady
00:38:59before you moved to Hattersley?
00:39:01I love him.
00:39:03I still love him.
00:39:05Did you ever get wind of anything odd
00:39:07happening between Ian and David Smith?
00:39:09I suppose I sometimes did wonder what was going on.
00:39:11You've sat in this court.
00:39:13You've heard of several
00:39:15conspiracies between them.
00:39:17To take photographs of young girls,
00:39:19to rob a bank,
00:39:21to lure a homosexual to Wardlebrook Avenue
00:39:23with the intention of robbing him.
00:39:25A conspiracy which ended in the death of Edward Evans.
00:39:27Did you have any idea
00:39:29of any of these plans?
00:39:33I had no idea at all.
00:39:35Were you in any way involved
00:39:37in the death of John Kilbride?
00:39:39I was not.
00:39:41Were you in any way involved
00:39:43in the death of Leslie Ann Downey?
00:39:45I was not.
00:39:47Were you in any way involved
00:39:49in the death of Edward Evans?
00:39:51No.
00:39:53No more questions, my love.
00:39:55You may step down, Miss Hindley.
00:39:57Court is adjourned.
00:39:59We will reconvene after lunch.
00:40:05Verdicts have been reached
00:40:07in the Moore's murder trial at Chester-Osizes.
00:40:09Ian Brady and Myra Hindley
00:40:11have been found guilty of murder.
00:40:13Ian Brady has been convicted
00:40:15of the murders of John Kilbride,
00:40:17Leslie Ann Downey and Edward Evans.
00:40:19Myra Hindley
00:40:21has been convicted of the murders
00:40:23of Leslie Ann Downey and Edward Evans.
00:40:25She was found not guilty
00:40:27of the murder of John Kilbride,
00:40:29but was found guilty of being an accessory.
00:40:31The jury retired earlier today
00:40:33and took just 2 hours 23 minutes
00:40:35to reach their verdicts.
00:40:37The defendants remained impassive
00:40:39as they were read out,
00:40:41and equally impassive as the judge,
00:40:43Justice Fenton Atkinson,
00:40:45sentenced the couple.
00:40:47Ian Brady.
00:40:49These were three calculated,
00:40:51cruel,
00:40:53cold-blooded murders.
00:40:55In your case, I pass the only
00:40:57sentence which the law now
00:40:59allows, which is
00:41:01three concurrent sentences
00:41:03of life imprisonment.
00:41:05Rot in!
00:41:07Silence!
00:41:09Quiet!
00:41:11Quiet in court!
00:41:13Quiet in court!
00:41:19Put him down.
00:41:21Take the coward with you.
00:41:23Second vote!
00:41:25Quiet in court!
00:41:31In your case,
00:41:33Hindley,
00:41:35you have been found guilty of two
00:41:37equally horrible murders,
00:41:39and in the third as an accessory
00:41:41after the fact. On the two murders,
00:41:43the sentence is two concurrent
00:41:45sentences of life imprisonment.
00:41:51In your case,
00:41:53Hindley,
00:41:55you have been found guilty of
00:41:57two equally horrible murders,
00:41:59and in the third as an accessory
00:42:01after the fact. On the two murders,
00:42:03the sentence is two concurrent
00:42:05sentences of life imprisonment.
00:42:07In your case,
00:42:09Hindley,
00:42:11you have been found guilty of
00:42:13two equally horrible murders,
00:42:15and in the third as an accessory
00:42:17after the fact. On the two murders,
00:42:19the sentence is two concurrent
00:42:21sentences of life imprisonment.
00:42:35It's been a waste of fucking time.
00:42:37I don't know why we bothered.
00:42:39If you two hadn't gone to court,
00:42:41Brady would have got away with all those murders
00:42:43except Edward Evans. He'd have been out in ten years
00:42:45and Myra would have walked free.
00:42:47They're not supposed to make us feel better, is it?
00:42:49I can see
00:42:51that it's been hard. Hard?
00:42:53I'm a child killer, the third
00:42:55mall's murderer. That's what they all believe.
00:42:57Well, they won't when they've had time to think about it.
00:42:59How do you know? He won.
00:43:01Brady won.
00:43:03I can't stop thinking about him.
00:43:05I mean, what was he
00:43:07doing on the night of Edward Evans? What was he thinking
00:43:09of? He had a secret, Dave.
00:43:11He had a monster of a secret,
00:43:13and what use was it to him without someone to share
00:43:15it with?
00:43:17But he had Myra to share it with. Yeah.
00:43:19And I believe he was growing tired of her.
00:43:21I think she probably resisted it, but
00:43:23in order to keep him, she agreed
00:43:25to try and bring Dave into it.
00:43:29And in the end, he failed,
00:43:31didn't he?
00:43:41You two have got to try and get on with your lives now.
00:43:45What about Pauline Reid?
00:43:47Keith Bennett?
00:43:49I am not allowed
00:43:51to search for them.
00:43:53Only Manchester police can do that.
00:43:55Frankly, between you, me and the gatepost,
00:43:57the flat they're refusing to do so.
00:43:59But I never said that.
00:44:05I'd best be going.
00:44:09I'll see you out. No, no, you stay there.
00:44:11I'm going to wish you two
00:44:13the very best of luck.
00:44:15All right?
00:44:41Hello.
00:44:55Yes, it would be.
00:44:57Sister, which is Mrs Harris' bed?
00:44:59It's that one over there, Mr Taylor.
00:45:01Good morning,
00:45:03Mrs Harris. Good morning, Mr Taylor.
00:45:05Hiya. Hiya.
00:45:07What do you think?
00:45:09It's beautiful.
00:45:13Family again, eh?
00:45:15It's the only family
00:45:17I'll ever have now, Dave.
00:45:19I've lost my
00:45:21man.
00:45:25I can't lose this.
00:45:27Yeah, I know.
00:45:33I know.
00:45:35I know. I heard them coming.
00:45:41I hope someone kills it and throws it on
00:45:43bloody moors.
00:45:45You filthy bitch! Get out of here!
00:45:47Come on! It's not worth it, leave it!
00:45:49Leave it!
00:46:05Leave it!
00:46:21Save for now, anyway.
00:46:23Hey, girl.
00:46:35It's all right.
00:46:39Marlene.
00:46:41Come on, he wants you.
00:46:53I can't.
00:46:59How can I...
00:47:01Shh.
00:47:03How can I ever be a mother again?
00:47:09Let me handle it.
00:47:21Shh.
00:47:31Shh.
00:48:01Oh, Reed.
00:48:05Where have you been?
00:48:31I've, er...
00:48:33made a pot of tea, if you want some.
00:48:35That'd be nice, love.
00:48:39Nice place, here.
00:48:41It's small, but
00:48:43it's much nicer than my last place.
00:48:45And...
00:48:47I'm gonna redecorate.
00:48:53And you got a job?
00:48:55Yeah.
00:48:57And you got a job?
00:48:59Lucy's.
00:49:01Cleaning.
00:49:05That's where I saw Auntie Kath.
00:49:09I just...
00:49:11I didn't dare believe it when...
00:49:13when she said you'd want to see me.
00:49:17I'm so sorry.
00:49:19You've had a terrible time.
00:49:28All the state turned against us.
00:49:32We just kept hoping it'd...
00:49:34it'd go away.
00:49:38We just kept hoping if...
00:49:40if we had a family and...
00:49:42stuck together...
00:49:46it'd be OK.
00:49:53But it wasn't.
00:49:57Bridge through the window.
00:50:00Poison pen letters.
00:50:03God knows what else through the letterbox.
00:50:07People would spit at the kids.
00:50:10Taunt them.
00:50:14Me and Dave...
00:50:17we couldn't go anywhere without trouble.
00:50:22Eventually, one night...
00:50:24one night...
00:50:27Dave went for someone.
00:50:31Got sent to Walton.
00:50:37I just couldn't cope.
00:50:42I was just in a pit.
00:50:45Drinking.
00:50:49Hopeless.
00:50:55I...
00:50:58I had the kids put into care.
00:51:02God forgive me.
00:51:06But...
00:51:08I just thought...
00:51:10that I'd ruined their lives.
00:51:14And they deserved better.
00:51:25I should have been in touch.
00:51:28I should have helped you.
00:51:32I felt I had to choose.
00:51:37Dave's out of jail now.
00:51:40He's got the kids back.
00:51:45Social...
00:51:47social worker says they're doing OK.
00:51:54Yeah.
00:52:11Yeah, David, do you want some bread?
00:52:13Come here, then. They'll take it off you.
00:52:15Here?
00:52:17Right, don't throw it too far, though.
00:52:20Do you want some, Paul?
00:52:24John, come away from the edge.
00:52:26What did I say?
00:52:28Good luck.
00:52:40Oi, stay this side of the boat, John.
00:52:55Hiya.
00:52:57Hi.
00:53:02Hello, boys.
00:53:04Who's that lady?
00:53:06It's your mum.
00:53:10They've grown, haven't they?
00:53:19David's just like you.
00:53:21Named him well, then, didn't we?
00:53:23Well, we got a John and a Paul,
00:53:25and I wasn't going to let you have Ringo, was I?
00:53:28Never thought I'd see him again,
00:53:30let alone have him back under my own roof.
00:53:34But you've done so well for them.
00:53:38So why would you want to let me see him again?
00:53:42I think I'm a decent dad these days,
00:53:44but unless I suddenly sprout tits,
00:53:46I'm never going to be there, Mother, am I?
00:53:49Only you can be there.
00:53:54They look happy, don't they?
00:53:58I'd hate to get in the way.
00:54:00Of what?
00:54:04You might have met someone else for a start.
00:54:06I haven't.
00:54:08Not that I didn't get a few proposals in Walton, mind.
00:54:13Come on.
00:54:15So when are we going to see you again, then?
00:54:23I don't know.
00:54:39Mum?
00:54:47I don't know if I can do this, Mum.
00:54:49It's what she wants, love.
00:54:51It's what both of you want, eh?
00:54:54I'm not sure.
00:54:56Come on, I'll be waiting for you, eh?
00:55:00Yeah.
00:55:21Come on.
00:55:52Mayra?
00:56:01Moby?
00:56:16You don't know how long for this moment.
00:56:22How are you?
00:56:26OK.
00:56:28If only that were true.
00:56:32You've been through hell because of me.
00:56:34I haven't come here to make you say that.
00:56:36I want to say it.
00:56:41I think about the consequences of my actions all the time.
00:56:46The hardest, of course, is the children.
00:56:49Living with the knowledge I helped bring
00:56:51such suffering on them and their families.
00:56:56But there's not a day goes by
00:56:58when I don't think about what I've done to you.
00:57:03I mean...
00:57:05people make excuses for me,
00:57:07saying I must have been damaged when I was little.
00:57:10Damaged?
00:57:12How?
00:57:15You know how Dad used to leather me sometimes.
00:57:18He used to leather me too, Mayra.
00:57:21I didn't do what you did.
00:57:24I know.
00:57:27I know, Moby.
00:57:30And I mustn't make excuses.
00:57:33I keep telling him that.
00:57:37Even when they say it was all Liam's fault.
00:57:40Even when they say it was all Liam's fault.
00:57:44That he changed me.
00:57:47Corrupted me.
00:57:50Who's they?
00:57:52The Governor.
00:57:56And the others.
00:57:59I've written to Ian.
00:58:02Told him I want to sever all contact.
00:58:11I've, erm...
00:58:13been going through my stuff.
00:58:15Getting rid of every trace of his influence on me.
00:58:21I want you to take these away.
00:58:24I don't want to see them again.
00:58:28It makes me so ashamed when I look at them.
00:58:33You weren't always like that, Mayra.
00:58:36You were a different person once.
00:58:39And I want to be that person again, Mo.
00:58:43I've started going to Mass.
00:58:45And confession.
00:58:49And in finding God again.
00:58:53I do feel like I've found the real me.
00:58:59Please.
00:59:02Please.
00:59:06There has to be forgiveness, surely, for all of us.
00:59:11There has to be redemption.
00:59:31Come on.
00:59:53All quiet on the Western Front?
00:59:55Yeah.
00:59:56Never thought I'd get them down so easy.
00:59:59Well, erm...
01:00:01I suppose I'd better be getting on my way.
01:00:03Why not stay?
01:00:06Tonight?
01:00:07Well, for good.
01:00:11You mean that?
01:00:12Yeah.
01:00:14Be a family again, eh?
01:00:18Yeah?
01:00:19Yeah.
01:00:29Well, that'll be chuffed.
01:00:31Yeah.
01:00:33What about your mum?
01:00:35She'd be pleased.
01:00:36Yeah, but she blames me for everything, doesn't she?
01:00:38Not any more.
01:00:41She's had years to think it through.
01:00:44She understands the real blame lies with Brady.
01:00:48Well, she still thinks Mayra's innocent.
01:00:50No.
01:00:51No, she doesn't.
01:00:52No, she doesn't.
01:00:54No, she doesn't.
01:00:56Is she innocent?
01:00:57No.
01:00:58Nor does Mayra.
01:01:00She's accepted full responsibility.
01:01:03She's told the truth.
01:01:05Have you now?
01:01:07She told me.
01:01:12You've been to see her?
01:01:14Yeah.
01:01:17She's admitted everything.
01:01:19What has she admitted?
01:01:21Dave...
01:01:22I don't want to get into this now.
01:01:25What has she admitted?
01:01:27That she picked up John Kilbride and Lesley-Anne Downey,
01:01:30delivered them into Ian's hands.
01:01:32And that's it?
01:01:33It bullied her into it, Dave.
01:01:35But she knows now it was a terrible thing to do.
01:01:38If she was bullied into it, then why was she smiling
01:01:40on that picture Brady took of her on John Kilbride's grave?
01:01:43Well, she didn't know it was his grave.
01:01:45Oh, come on.
01:01:46She was in on all of it.
01:01:48Abducting him, helping to rape, kill and bury him.
01:01:51That was just some sick little joke they could share afterwards.
01:01:55And Lesley-Anne Downey.
01:01:57If all Mayra did was pick her up for Brady,
01:02:00then why was her voice on that tape?
01:02:02And Keith Bennett, what about him?
01:02:04Mayra's adamant she had no part in that.
01:02:06All right, Pauline Reid.
01:02:07And she honestly knows nothing about that either.
01:02:09And anyway, I mean, who's to say anything happened to Pauline?
01:02:12She's up there on the mosque.
01:02:14And if Mayra really was sorry,
01:02:16she'd start by telling the police where she's buried.
01:02:18And Keith Bennett too.
01:02:20I just... I just...
01:02:21I have to believe what my heart tells me, Dave.
01:02:24And my heart tells me, whatever Mayra did in the past,
01:02:28she's a different person now.
01:02:30I mean, they wouldn't be thinking of giving her parole if that weren't true.
01:02:34Thinking of releasing her?
01:02:37If you could see her, Dave.
01:02:39If you could speak to her, you'd see she...
01:02:42She's the old Mayra.
01:02:44A warm, loving person.
01:02:46She asks after the kids all the time.
01:02:49She'd like to see them one day.
01:02:51She's not coming near my kids.
01:02:53She's worse than Brady Maureen.
01:02:55I mean, he's just a sicko. A sex case.
01:02:57The king of the sex cases.
01:02:59But Mayra, she's human.
01:03:02She had feelings.
01:03:05Remember the tears when Angela Dawn died?
01:03:08That card she gave us.
01:03:10Another little flower for God's fucking garden.
01:03:13Jesus, she was killing kids at the same time!
01:03:15All right! All right!
01:03:18You believe what you want to,
01:03:20but please, please, can't you let me do the same?
01:03:31Cos, I'm sorry, Mayra.
01:03:42Look, if we can't put it behind us...
01:03:44We've got to, for the kids' sake.
01:03:47We can do it, girl. We can.
01:04:10David, sit down. I need your breakfast.
01:04:17Here's your cereal, then, David.
01:04:19There you go. Eat that.
01:04:22Paul, do you want some toast?
01:04:24There you go.
01:04:25Come on, stop playing with your toys now.
01:04:27Eat your breakfast. Come on.
01:04:33Are you all sorted?
01:04:34Right. Right, come on, boys, eat up now.
01:04:37Let Dad look at you.
01:04:40That's it. Put yourselves in there.
01:04:43All right?
01:04:44Come on, don't play with it. Eat it.
01:04:55Oh, come on, don't mess with that.
01:04:57You only need a little bit of butter on there.
01:04:59Come on, lads.
01:05:00All right, never mind that now.
01:05:01Just eat your breakfast, or you won't grow up to be big and strong like your dad.
01:05:05No telling tales now. Come on, eat your breakfast.
01:05:08He wants to take his shoes off.
01:05:10Oh, he can take his shoes off later.
01:05:12I can.
01:05:13Right, OK. Now eat up, boys.
01:05:22All right?
01:05:23Yeah.
01:05:26I've, erm...
01:05:28I've given him the breakfast.
01:05:31Good.
01:05:33I've run out of eyeliner.
01:05:36Just going to nip for the chemist.
01:05:39OK.
01:05:43Daddy!
01:05:44I know, of course.
01:05:45Stay on.
01:05:46I know.
01:05:53Hey, what have I just said?
01:05:54Come on now.
01:06:12Come on.
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