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PTI Par Ban Ka Faisla, Hukumat Apne hi Faislay say Peeche Kiyu Hatne Lagi? Experts opinion
PTI Par Ban Ka Faisla, Hukumat Apne hi Faislay say Peeche Kiyu Hatne Lagi? Experts opinion
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00:00Ladies and gentlemen, there is only one topic under discussion in Pakistan right now and that is on the political side.
00:06The government has announced that they are going to ban Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:13A decision has been made, a proposal has been made.
00:15Or it is just in the process, a discussion is going on, ideas are being discussed.
00:20Different opinions are coming forward on this.
00:23We have seen that initially when this news came, what was the news?
00:27In front of us, the Federal Information Minister, Mr. Muhtar Tariq, he held a press conference.
00:34The news came to the media through him.
00:37The media's fault is that when the news comes, the media first publishes the news.
00:44The information minister is the spokesperson of the federal government.
00:47The responsibility of the federal government is also entrusted to him.
00:54So when he announces something, when he gives a news,
00:58then traditionally the media always takes the information minister very seriously.
01:03And it should be taken seriously.
01:05When the news came, when further discussion started on this,
01:10we saw that different senior ministers, Khawaja Asif, Rana Sinala,
01:16and other ministers of the current government,
01:19they started talking about this.
01:22That there are ideas that are being discussed.
01:26We will also talk to our allies.
01:28This is in the initial phases.
01:31This is a proposal.
01:34No decision has been made on this yet.
01:36But first of all, Mr. Tariq, while giving an interview on the Talibian channel,
01:42when he was asked this question,
01:44and when he was asked this question, he was very upset.
01:47He said, what is this?
01:49He said, if you talk like this, you will catch it.
01:53Listen.
01:55As far as the PTA is concerned,
01:57the problem with us is that when we talk,
02:00then these reactions start.
02:03This is a proposal.
02:05And the further discussion on this proposal,
02:08we will do with our political allies.
02:11After that, we will be asked,
02:14those who are working on the legal side,
02:16then the reports of the Interior Ministry are very relevant.
02:20And what your intelligence agencies have collected so far,
02:24because you have to look at it in the context of Article 17.2
02:28and Election Act 2017 language.
02:31That material is processed after it comes.
02:34So let's assume that this is the beginning of a deliberative process.
02:38You cannot connect this to an announcement or a logical decision or a final decision.
02:43It's a process which has been ignited.
02:46There should be a discussion on this.
02:48Like there is a show-cause that why not take this path.
02:52But this cannot be a final decision.
02:55The law minister has said three important things.
02:57The law minister is also a very important minister of the cabinet.
03:01He is saying that it is just a process which has been ignited.
03:05A discussion has just begun.
03:07Then he says that he has used the language of the law.
03:11When someone is asked,
03:13why not put this insulting court against you or work on it?
03:18But what we see is that if someone works,
03:21then he is called and asked,
03:23if you have done this work, then why not start this action on you?
03:27But we will come back again.
03:29Because the media,
03:31although the entire government is respected,
03:35but in the cabinet,
03:37a minister or a ministry which has a lot to do with it,
03:41is the information ministry.
03:43And our respected Mr. Ataar,
03:45with great eloquence and eloquence,
03:48with articulation,
03:50the decision of the entire government,
03:53he did not use the word decision.
03:55He did not talk about deliberation or process.
03:58He gave the decision of the entire government.
04:29We will go step by step.
04:31Hassan, I will start with you first.
04:33What is the fault of you or me or Mr. Chaudhary or Mr. Anuki?
04:37If the information minister,
04:39you have heard this,
04:41decision, decision, decision,
04:43then what should we do?
04:45What should we say to the decision?
04:47No, this is not a decision, this is a deliberation.
04:49No, I was getting to the point that
04:51in the original press conference,
04:53you are right,
04:55the government has made this decision,
04:57the media has made this decision twice or thrice.
04:59No, no.
05:01It is to clarify that this is a decision,
05:03now don't deny it.
05:05We are only telling their language.
05:07We are being told that the media
05:09thinks you are strange.
05:11What is the fault in this?
05:13We don't have any hearing problem.
05:15I mean, my lord,
05:17the words that we have spoken
05:19for the respected information minister,
05:21the media has conveyed those words to the public.
05:24There is no other opinion in this,
05:26what Atta Tarar is saying,
05:28is the same,
05:30as I told you yesterday,
05:32this is not a decision,
05:34but until this decision is not
05:36endorsed by the parliament,
05:38these two matters will not be
05:40proceeded further.
05:42The issue of article 6,
05:44there is a lot of seriousness on it,
05:46and the issue of declaring
05:48Tehrik-e-Insaf as a terrorism
05:50under article 17,
05:52it is not that serious,
05:54Atta Tarar had said that
05:56the decision has been made
05:58under article 17,
06:00and also under article 6.
06:02The media did not say anything wrong,
06:04these were Atta Tarar's own words.
06:06Mr. Nagri,
06:08I mean, where did we make a mistake?
06:10The government is not expressing
06:12its opinion on 3-4 major issues,
06:14it is making a decision,
06:16and the information minister
06:18is a mouthpiece,
06:20a spokesperson of the government of the day,
06:22and he has a whole ministry,
06:24and in the ministry,
06:26you must have seen,
06:28if you show it to the producer,
06:30he is representing the government
06:32by putting up a flag,
06:34so there he made this decision,
06:36see this,
06:38he is representing the government
06:40of Pakistan,
06:42there he made this decision
06:44and made a press conference.
06:46Now Mr. Nagri is saying
06:48that you have understood the point,
06:50I would like to ask,
06:52for the sake of the viewers,
06:54what did Azam Nazeer Tarr
06:56say, the law minister,
06:58that this is how you hold things?
07:00As far as the PTA is concerned,
07:02our problem is that
07:04when the matter is in the mouth,
07:06then these reactions start.
07:08This is a suggestion,
07:10and further discussion on this suggestion…
07:14Mr. Nagri, why do you hold
07:16the matter in your mouth
07:18and for no reason
07:20you start using
07:22your own words?
07:26Mr. Khawar, you must remember,
07:28I told you three days ago
07:30that there is no such decision,
07:32there is only discussion,
07:34I told you in this show,
07:36that Azam Nazeer Tarr
07:38said this yesterday,
07:40I told him this two days ago,
07:42that there is no such decision,
07:44there is only discussion,
07:46but this is how governments work,
07:48in politics,
07:50this is how
07:52statements are made,
07:54and then those statements
07:56are continuously brought
07:58to the media and other discussions,
08:00and we have seen this
08:02in every government,
08:04where such things were said,
08:06by the Ministry of Inquiry,
08:08or by other ministries,
08:10but after that
08:12no action was taken on them.
08:14The voice clip I heard,
08:16which you just played,
08:18Azam Nazeer Tarr,
08:20he said that we will move the case,
08:22what does it mean to move the case?
08:24Does it mean that they will talk
08:26in a future tense?
08:28We will do such an activity
08:30in the future,
08:32and if all the stakeholders
08:34do not endorse that activity,
08:36then that activity can also stop,
08:38there is no problem in that.
08:40Okay, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
08:42I will disagree with you a little,
08:44politics is a political party,
08:46when a political party comes
08:48into power,
08:50and you have the
08:52Ministry of Inquiry,
08:54then when you speak,
08:56you have to choose the words
08:58with a lot of thought,
09:00because the decision,
09:02the decision again,
09:04Huzoor also said,
09:06why are you repeating it again and again,
09:08maybe we have made a mistake
09:10or maybe we did not have a problem.
09:12The government has decided,
09:14the government has decided,
09:16looking at all these things,
09:18looking at the evidence,
09:20the loyal government,
09:22the loyal government will move the case
09:24to ban PTI.
09:26There is a lot of credible evidence
09:28that the law should be banned.
09:30The government has decided
09:32that President Arif Alvi,
09:34Prime Minister Imran Niazi
09:36and Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri
09:38and the reference of Article 6
09:40will also be sent to the Supreme Court
09:42after the approval of the Cabinet.
09:44Chaudhry Ghulam Sahib,
09:46did you understand correctly,
09:48the decision that was made,
09:50because they are saying,
09:52Tariq Sahib is saying,
09:54there are two Tariq Sahibs,
09:56one is the Information Minister
09:58and Azam Aziz Tariq Sahib
10:00is the Law Minister,
10:02he has more experience,
10:04so they are saying that
10:06who is accusing you
10:08or the media,
10:10I did not understand.
10:12They themselves,
10:14before the press conference
10:16of Atta Tariq,
10:18they have shown the video
10:20and they were presenting
10:22their evidence
10:24that this is our case
10:26and this is our decision.
10:28We have been asking
10:30at what level this decision was made.
10:32Because this government
10:34cannot survive without the support
10:36of the People's Party.
10:38There is no case of 1920.
10:40If there is not 100% support
10:42of the People's Party,
10:44they say,
10:46we did not get any advice.
10:48So what is the relation
10:50of the media or anyone else?
10:52These are their intentions
10:54and those who want
10:56to make some other induction,
10:58they want the majority
11:00that if we make that reference,
11:02the majority will be available
11:04to approve it.