"Phone Tapping Na Pasandeeda Amal hai Magar..." Khurram Dastagir's Statement
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"Phone Tapping Na Pasandeeda Amal hai Magar..." Khurram Dastagir's Statement
"Phone Tapping Na Pasandeeda Amal hai Magar..." Khurram Dastagir's Statement
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00:00Towards the end, I would like to talk briefly about the notification that has come that
00:05sensitive institutions will have the authority to make calls and tapes.
00:09Similarly, I was reading Owen Bennett Jones' book the other day.
00:13He writes about how in the early days, he invited other institutions,
00:19taking the name of the army, to check the meters and heaters of Wabda.
00:23And how later on, the same Mr. Bennett Jones kept regretting
00:27that the work of the civilian agencies was handed over to the military agencies.
00:31And later on, their intervention was so great that we lost everything,
00:34despite having two units.
00:35So, aren't we traveling in circles?
00:37I mean, if you complain after five years that,
00:39look, they have entered, there is no space, civil.
00:42So, you invite yourself.
00:44So, obviously, when you give someone space,
00:46then he fills the vacuum, rightly or wrongly.
00:48The thing you said about the Peoples' Party,
00:51it is a just thing that during the Peoples' Party government in 1996,
00:55a law was passed, which is called the Pakistan Telecommunication Reorganization Act, in 1996.
01:02Actually, at that time, under Article 54.1,
01:07this authority was given to the federal government by that law,
01:1128 years ago,
01:12that the government of loyalty, I read this,
01:14that notwithstanding anything contained,
01:16in the interest of national security,
01:19and in apprehension of any offense,
01:21the federal government may authorize any person or persons
01:24to intercept calls and messages,
01:28and to trace calls through any telecommunication system.
01:32This is that law, 28 years old,
01:35under which that notification was passed.
01:37So, what has changed since then?
01:38Its photo is still there.
01:39So, what has changed since then, if it already existed?
01:41No, what has changed is that,
01:44instead of giving authority to different agencies,
01:49the federal government, under Section 54.1 of the Telecommunication Reorganization Act,
01:55has authorized a specific agency,
01:57that only they can do this work.
01:59This is just a full notification.
02:01This is the result of this law, which was passed by the Peoples' Party government 28 years ago.
02:05Earlier, which agencies had this authority,
02:08which is now exclusively given to the ISI?
02:11Yes, this is not in my knowledge.
02:13But, in my opinion,
02:14there must have been notifications from time to time.
02:16This notification was made public.
02:18And, I also believe that,
02:20if such a public document is issued,
02:23then all these subjects,
02:25which were still hidden in the dust,
02:28well, after all,
02:29some or the other law has started to shine a light on it,
02:33which will make us capable,
02:35in the coming years,
02:36not just now,
02:37that the parliament,
02:39the intelligence agencies,
02:41and such related matters,
02:43can also monitor them,
02:44as it is done in other countries.
02:46So, you are saying that,
02:47in a way,
02:48this has been reformed,
02:49that if such a thing happens,
02:51data leakage,
02:52then at least,
02:53there will be a law,
02:54which can be referred to,
02:55and in the years and months to come,
02:56someone can be held accountable,
02:58that sir, this law has been violated.
03:00Yes, look,
03:01this Act of 1996,
03:03this was hidden in the dust,
03:05no one knew about it.
03:07When this thing,
03:08this SRO came out,
03:10people searched for it,
03:13I also searched for it,
03:15where did this notification come from,
03:17all of a sudden?
03:18So, this was told,
03:19and then today,
03:20I am happy that,
03:21in the parliament,
03:22even the law,
03:23by quoting this law,
03:25presented its interpretation.
03:28So, when all the things will be transparent,
03:31and instead of these rumours,
03:33and rumours against each other,
03:35now if this thing has become public,
03:37then this is the first step,
03:39with time,
03:41towards which we want to go.
03:43In the whole world,
03:44such agencies,
03:45this authority is given,
03:47and its procedure is improved.
03:49The procedure is that,
03:50any agency,
03:51every federal government,
03:53has a designated judge,
03:55in front of that designated judge,
03:57that agency takes its petition,
03:59that we have to monitor these people,
04:01and if the judge thinks that this is right,
04:03then he gives permission,
04:04if he does not think so, then no.
04:05So, in your opinion,
04:06this is a very happy presentation.
04:07This does not happen in other countries.
04:09This is a very happy presentation.
04:10I am not saying that,
04:11I am not, see,
04:12phone tapping can never be happy,
04:15this is an unpleasant practice,
04:17but in any case,
04:18this is necessary,
04:19and in today's time,
04:20when a lot of communication,
04:22is happening electronically,
04:24on mobile phones,
04:26or through the internet,
04:27phones are being used,
04:29in that it is necessary
04:30that this work should be done.
04:31I have said that
04:32all the agencies of the world
04:33are doing this work.
04:34I just think that
04:35instead of us being alarmed,
04:36now the matter,
04:37now everyone knows about
04:38the Telecom Organization Act,
04:40everyone knows about
04:41the work that is being done.
04:43In the coming years,
04:44even if not in today's parliament,
04:46if some people are interested in this,
04:49and really want
04:50that there should be
04:51a serious discussion on this,
04:52then we have achieved
04:53a starting point.
04:55A starting point.