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00:00Okay, that's all I want to hear from you, because if that hand has touched a cow and
00:29I kill this cow and put it there, then as a swami, you know, it is not right for me.
00:33But you are touching my hand, I can assure you that I am going to tell this thing to
00:37people.
00:38They can see that it's been done from the good faith in a Guru Nanak's place.
00:41I am just going to ask.
01:11If I could see her, and I am going to see her, if possible, I am going to tell this
01:14truth.
01:15These things, these people are innocent people, and I got the proof, you have to believe,
01:21because if the police has created this problem to create this thing, then it is injustice.
01:27And they are talking from the Guru Nanak's golden temple, and they deny that.
01:31We need not repeat that thing, we know we are sitting on a holy place.
01:36You know it.
01:37This is a matter of faith.
01:42I am just telling it.
01:44How am I going to, at least I got the first-hand knowledge, you see, and I can go and tell.
02:29Whether she is aware of the fact, isn't she aware of the fact that Guru Granth Sahib
02:36and other religious books were burnt by the police?
02:42That the property of this Taxal was destroyed, 18 people were killed in Mehta.
02:50Doesn't she know all that?
02:51And all the cruelties which have been perpetrated on the Amritdhari Sikhs, isn't she aware of
02:57it?
02:59She must also give the pledge.
03:04And then what action has she or her government taken into these incidents?
03:11If she knows it, then what action has she taken to punish the culprits?
03:16You see, that you should first ask Indira Gandhi.
03:46She says that up till today, no one can prove that I have initiated anything, either with
03:55mouth or by writing or by weapons against anyone.
04:01It is only in answer.
04:03If we have been tortured, my people have been tortured, and they have been prosecuted,
04:10they have been falsely involved in cases, only then I have opened my mouth.
04:15Even if you open mouth, what type of question is that?
04:23She says that if you can prove that even once he has initiated any such action, he will
04:31cut his head in operation.
04:33And one more question now.
04:35Will he condemn those actions by throwing the bombs and stabbing the people and so forth?
04:41Will he condemn those actions because he is not responsible?
04:45That's all he will say.
04:46I just want to know that.
05:10He says that he has already condemned such things.
05:39No, he will only condemn if it is told, it is he's shown that throughout this country,
05:47government officials, ministers, the other responsible people or anyone in the throughout
05:54any Hindu, responsible Hindu has condemned the killing of 206 who have been killed by
06:00the police.
06:01One word if they have uttered in this, not one word has been uttered throughout this
06:07country against these killings and all the cruelties which have been perpetuated upon
06:13the Sikhs in this country.
06:23See first they should admit that Sikhs, injustice has been done to the Sikhs and they have been
06:30unnecessarily prosecuted.
06:32Then I will not condemn.
06:33They should condemn first.
06:34Then we'll condemn also.
06:37Now who did, who is responsible for this killing of 200 people?
06:43The police.
06:44Which police?
06:45Punjabi police?
06:46Including Punjab, as well as Haryana, as well as Sikhs.
06:47Now can you give me the incident when they, how they killed the 200 people, please?
07:13About 2,000 were killed by police in fake encounters.
07:36How?
07:37Fake encounters.
07:38They, simply if he is arrested by the police, he will not be produced in the court, he will
07:44be taken to the, outside the city and he will be shot dead.
07:48Do you have proof of that?
07:49We have proofs.
07:50How do you, what type of proof do you have?
07:52We have reports, we have sent it to the Amnesty International and other agencies also.
07:57No, no.
07:58But is there any way you can give me any proof of that, any photograph or any actual witness
08:04we have?
08:05Then only, because this acquisition is very, very dangerous acquisition.
08:10Because unless, how am I going to know that this, you are telling the truth or he is telling
08:13the truth?
08:14This I do not know.
08:15No, this you are asking for a proof.
08:16The question is, when the police took that chap, arrested him, took him away and shot
08:21him, there was no one present from us or our side or any Sikh present there who can take
08:25a photograph and show that he is actually killing him.
08:27How do you know that he, no, but this I want to know.
08:30How do the police shot him?
08:31You see, judicial probe was ordered into the Maitha Chownd firing where 18 Sikhs were
08:54killed.
08:55But the probe has been completed, but it is not been released to the public, exposed
09:00because the government is being held responsible for that.
09:20The day before yesterday, one Sikh was killed by the police in Gurdaspur district.
09:25How?
09:26I mean, during the demonstration?
09:29No, he was an Amritdhari Sikh, a baptised Sikh.
09:32He was going to his home for some work,
09:35and on his way, he was shot by the police.
09:39Why?
09:40Simply he was...
09:41Without having any provocation or any cause?
09:45Just because he belongs... he is an Amritdhari Sikh.
09:48That is his...
09:50He's been... the police has been investigating or no action has been taken about that?
09:55No action has been taken.
09:59I asked him, what's his name? He said, he's from Pindarawala.
10:02I asked him to stand aside. He said, I don't want to stand aside.
10:05I asked him to stand aside.
10:07He said, tell me my crime.
10:08He said, it's a crime that you're from Pindarawala.
10:11He said, I don't want to stand aside.
10:12I went to the 7th wheel.
10:14I asked him to stand aside. He said, I don't want to stand aside.
10:16I went to the 7th wheel and shot him.
10:18Fifteen days earlier...
10:19Malook Singh...
10:20Another Sikh boy was killed in Saizpur district.
10:23His name is Malook Singh.
10:24That's also in the public demonstration?
10:26No.
10:27In his village, another people informed the police that he belongs to...
10:31He's a close associate of Sant Pindarawala.
10:33Police came and he asked him whether he's a supporter of Pindarawala.
10:36He admitted it.
10:37The police asked him to raise his hands.
10:39That he's not a supporter, they asked him.
10:41He refused.
10:42He said, no, he will not deny that he's a supporter.
10:45Naturally.
10:46So they took him for seven miles outside the village.
10:49And then he was shot.
10:50And they tried to persuade him to say...
10:52Because they wanted to record it that he's not a follower of Pindarawala.
10:55He refused.
10:56He said, no, he's a follower of Pindarawala and he will not raise his hand.
10:59Denying the fact.
11:01But how did you get this report?
11:04From our people.
11:06Sikhs are living through the Punjab.
11:15See, through our own sources, people.
11:18They came and reported this to him.
11:20Alright.
11:21So I got a few of these facts, now it's all recorded.
11:25I'm going to ask also, anyone who can listen to me.
11:30This charge is not real.
11:32Because in a democracy, there's law and order.
11:35Police is to protect the people.
11:37And this is not done in a democratic world where the police can use the...
11:42Without having proper court procedure, etc.
11:46It's not done anywhere.
11:47So I can ask these questions and find out as much as possible.
11:51On 18th October, 1982, when the agitation was going on,
11:55one priest from Darbar Sahib, he was shot at outside the temple.
12:03Again, without having any...
12:05Without any provocation, he was just on his duty.
12:08And after his duty, he was going out to his home.
12:10When he was out, the police was present there.
12:13And he was shot at without showing any reason.
12:16People have seen that?
12:17People have seen that.
12:18It appeared in the press on 18th October, 1982.
12:22The name of the man is Darshan Singh.
12:29Day before yesterday, a serviceman in service,
12:33serving supply, coming on leave.
12:35He was travelling in the bus and he was stopped by the police and said,
12:38look, show us your... we want to search your baggage.
12:42He said, here's my certificate that I'm a serviceman on leave.
12:46And I'm going back to join my unit.
12:48He was dragged down, beaten up by the police,
12:51and he's at the moment in military hospital, Amritsar.
12:55You can go and meet him if you like.
13:09People who were tortured, he's going to narrate to you some of those incidents.
13:16He was held and presented to the judge.
13:19The judge gave him a date.
13:21On the day of the date, he gave an order,
13:24which was followed by the doctor.
13:26After the judge's presentation,
13:28after the order was given,
13:29after the doctor's order was given,
13:31he was held and hanged.
13:34He was drowned in the water.
13:36He was stabbed in the stomach.
13:39His head was cut off.
13:41His stomach was broken.
13:43His legs were cut off.
13:45This is how he was hanged.