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00:00Now, Shabbar Bhai, I want to go back to Mr. Miftah. You are right.
00:06About two hours ago, Nafisa Shah, of the Pakistan People's Party, came here.
00:12And we asked her exactly the same question.
00:14In fact, I precisely quoted Mr. Miftah Ismail's figure.
00:17That agriculture and property are close to each other.
00:21No, no, no. You are wrong again.
00:23There is a lot more.
00:25Mr. Miftah, you are wrong.
00:27Don't go on that. That is a matter of spending.
00:31I am talking about the matter of spending.
00:34The Sindh government gets Rs. 2000 billion.
00:37Rs. 2000 billion.
00:39Are the roads in Karachi being demonstrated?
00:42Exactly. You are right.
00:44This is what I am asking.
00:45Why do you raise that point of agriculture and retail?
00:48That is a deeper matter.
00:50You have already talked about this.
00:52You have already talked about the Karachi pits.
00:53No, no, no. Ask them.
00:55They have spent Rs. 2000 billion.
00:58They have been in the government for 15 years.
01:00That has become Rs. 3 trillion.
01:02Is that reflected in the Sindh government?
01:04Tell me.
01:05If it is, then it is right.
01:07Otherwise, why are we wasting time on the budget?
01:09You are right.
01:11In fact, if you want to give me an update, let me know.
01:15In the meantime, I will give you an update.
01:17Then I will move on.
01:18Refaq-e-Kabina has given a complete update.
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13:02Mr. Shabbar,
13:04these are the decision makers.
13:06What are you saying?
13:08Listen to me.
13:10These are not the decision makers.
13:12Listen to me.
13:14I understand what you are trying to say.
13:16These are not the decision makers.
13:18Vipta knows very well
13:20whether the decision makers
13:22are in Washington or Pindi.
13:24Vipta knows very well.
13:26He knows that the decision makers
13:28are not here.
13:30The decision makers in Washington
13:32don't want to make us a good country.
13:34don't want to make us a good country.
13:36They can keep us as they want.
13:38Now, the people of Pindi
13:40are...
13:42I can hear you.
13:44Pindi people
13:46don't know
13:48whether to go to Khabi or Sajji.
13:50Pindi people don't know
13:52whether to go to Khabi or Sajji.
13:54On the other hand,
13:56people are afraid that
14:28I have a question for you, in today's history, Alhamdulillah, Allah has saved us from the evil eye, Pindi is on the same page as it was in the early years of Mr. Khan.
14:37Even now, because in our country, every political government feels vulnerable, I have asked Mr. Miftad before you came,
14:43even though you didn't touch the topic, I still asked, should I turn this question to you?
14:46So, every political government is also afraid that if I make 4 bold decisions, I will become more unpopular,
14:51on the other hand, if there is a game with Pindi and I become more weak, or I become a scoundrel.
14:54Today it is not like that, it is on the same page.
14:56So, brother, when you look at that side for 10 illegal acts,
15:01then take 4 bold decisions and tell them that we have to stand together, we have to raise our voices.
15:05Do it, do it all.
15:06Okay, I will answer this.
15:08See, those who are sitting in Pindi, they thought that we will do it right in the end,
15:16and let it be as bad as it is, there will be a time when we will come inside and it will be right.
15:23But now I think they should realize that things have also come out of their hands.
15:29Bring any system, until you bring down this entire building, this roof is not going to fall.
15:37Now, I am saying this to bring down the building, I am absolutely right.
15:41He says this again and again.
15:42I am absolutely clear that Pakistan cannot do with this NFC.
15:47We have already seen it.
15:49These are all fundamental reasons.
15:51And I can also write to you today that they cannot privatize the power sector in the next 15 years.
15:58We also know this.
15:59I can also write that they cannot settle for electricity and gas.
16:04We also know this.
16:05We also know that the problem of terrorism is not going to be solved on the widget right now.
16:10I know all this.
16:11This is not a unique thing for us.
16:13This is not a unique thing for us.
16:14We just want to see that, brother, if all these things come in front of everyone,
16:20if four serious people sit down and decide that we have to fix this shop,
16:33then it will be right.
16:34You have put up a fair and people have come.
16:38You have sent people.
16:39And why did you give a decision?
16:41Abhishek, you have to stay with us until we go to the budget speech.
16:44Mr. Shoaib is going to ask a question.
16:45I am telling Mr. Mifta to do it so that it also comes in the discussion.
16:48Then we will see the headline.
16:49But you have to stay with us until we go to the budget speech.
16:51Mr. Mifta, my question is that how important should the DFC be after the NFC?
16:56That the district that is earning and the market that is earning,
17:00the area that is earning,
17:02it also gets the same percentage.
17:04If the site is a major exporter area in Pakistan,
17:07then why does it not get the facilities?
17:09We say that the export should be fast.
17:11More than 8 hours of traffic cannot pass through the city.
17:14And only 16 hours of blockage remains for export and import.
17:18So how important will the DFC be?
17:20And especially how important will it be to improve the areas and sectors that are earning?
17:31We have often said that there should also be a provincial finance commission.
17:35When the NFC money goes to the province,
17:37then the province also says the same formula.
17:39That something like this should be distributed in the provinces, cities and districts.
17:44But the provinces do not distribute.
17:46And the local governments, which Mr. Musharraf had created, for example,
17:49the system of Nazim,
17:51all three of our political and democratic parties,
17:54PTI, PMLN and People's Party,
17:56most of the time, all three of them,
17:58have ended this tag tag of democracy.
18:01And the one that gives service to the people is the local government.
18:04And let me tell you the truth, Mr. Shoaib,
18:06I don't have that much problem with the roads, I don't have that much problem with the streetlights either.
18:09I have a problem that in Pakistan,
18:11a 78% 10-year-old child cannot read two sentences in any language.
18:15In Pakistan, the majority of our functional children are illiterate.
18:1940% of our children are not in school.
18:22So the provinces that you will give 8,000 rupees to the provinces this year,
18:27but they spend more than 2,000 rupees on education,
18:31the children do not have education from that.
18:33The provinces, especially Sindh, KP and Balochistan,
18:37Sindh and Balochistan, not so much KP,
18:39they have taken it as a scheme to give jobs.
18:42That they give jobs to their voters.
18:45And KP has also been ruled by Mr. Khan for 10 years.
18:48We must be thinking that Mr. Khan must have put a lot of emphasis on education,
18:52so education will be good.
18:53KP's education is not good either.
18:55Even today, the best education is in Azad Kashmir,
18:57then Gilgit-Baltistan, then Punjab,
18:59then KP comes, then Balochistan and finally Sindh comes.
19:02So it is a very sad situation.
19:05And similarly, look at the condition of health,
19:07that in Pakistan, neonatal infant deaths,
19:11neonatal mortality is more in the world than Sudan,
19:15more than South Sudan.
19:16It is number two after Lesotho.
19:18So it should be a matter of shame for us
19:20that we have gone so far behind South Asia.
19:22So not only that the provinces are giving them a lot of money,
19:27which is leading to the death of Diwali,
19:30we are not even seeing anything.
19:32So I say, leave the roads.
19:34At least educate the child well,
19:36educate the child that he will do something and move forward.
19:38You are not educating the children.
19:40If our children cannot study,
19:41if our children cannot think,
19:43if our children have so little physical and mental intelligence
19:47that they have become weak, mentally stunted,
19:49then how will they move forward?
19:51So basically we will have to understand
19:54that we will have to fundamentally change the system of this country.
19:58Mr. Iftad, what you and Mr. Shabbar are saying,
20:01more or less, you and Mr. Shabbar,
20:03he may be saying it in a very aggressive style,
20:05but you are more or less agreeing with him
20:07that whatever we are talking about,
20:09this debate is secondary,
20:10this system will not work with a light painkiller,
20:14it will not work with a few injections,
20:15it will have to be completely treated.
20:17There will be surgery.
20:18Isn't that right, Mr. Iftad?
20:19Mr. Naseem, I do not doubt the intentions of any political leader.
20:28It is my belief that everyone wants to develop the country,
20:32but we are running away from them.
20:34We do not understand that we are not moving forward.
20:36But if we look at it from a little distance,
20:38then we should think that if every country in South Asia,
20:41Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Maldives,
20:43if everyone has moved ahead of us
20:45and Afghanistan has been left behind,
20:47and we were ahead of them 20-25 years ago,
20:50then we should understand what mistakes we have made in the past 20-25 years.
20:53This hybrid regime is also a mistake,
20:55the NFC award is also a mistake,
20:57the hands that have fallen are our politicians,
21:00this is also a mistake.
21:01Now you see, if you are making so many mistakes,
21:05you are making policy mistakes,
21:06we have installed power plants,
21:07without thinking about how to return the money,
21:09but today they are also making mistakes.
21:11Mr. Iftad, please explain one more thing,
21:13then we will go to Mr. Shabbar.
21:14Of course, before this question,
21:16I am not saying that there should be political stability,
21:18that political opponents should be crushed,
21:20of course not,
21:21but please explain to me,
21:22there is also an example of Bangladesh,
21:24where they have,
21:25in a wrong way,
21:27it should not be like this,
21:28it is a one-party rule,
21:29for all practical purposes,
21:30the other party is in trouble,
21:31the other party is in jail,
21:32everything is happening,
21:33yet,
21:34the matter is still there,
21:35otherwise,
21:36they have moved ahead of us,
21:37so they have made their economy very good,
21:39so please explain to me,
21:41of course I am not saying that there should be political stability,
21:43and it has nothing to do with the economy,
21:44of course I am not saying that,
21:45but there is an example in the neighborhood,
21:47where there is also a one-party rule,
21:49they are crushing the politicians,
21:51yet,
21:52the economy is not good,
21:53so why is this happening here?
21:55Look,
21:56the request is that,
21:57there is political stability,
21:59you have kept Khalida Zia in jail,
22:01the leaders of Jamaat-e-Islami are being hanged there,
22:03and there is no democracy there,
22:05this one-party rule,
22:06Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's wife,
22:08Haseena,
22:09Wajid,
22:10she is ruling,
22:11here,
22:12look,
22:13the election there is also the same,
22:15everyone knows what was happening in the election,
22:17what happened recently,
22:19listen to the request,
22:21but I am not taking 30 seconds,
22:23I am giving you the complete bill,
22:25I will answer you,
22:27three years ago,
22:28Imran Khan,
22:29was sitting there,
22:31today,
22:32Taibaz Sharif is sitting there,
22:34we don't know,
22:35who will come after 2-3 years,
22:37look,
22:38our page is the same,
22:40but the letters of the page keep changing,
22:42sometimes NOON is written on one page,
22:44sometimes PTI is written,
22:46sometimes People's Party is written,
22:48so we have a lot of dysfunctionality,
22:50we should also understand that,
22:52there should be a little less ingress of the army,
22:54in politics,
22:55and some rules should be based,
22:57look,
22:58there is no democracy in Dubai,
22:59but the law,
23:00Mr. Shabbar,
23:01you also,
23:02Mr. Shabbar,
23:03please answer this,
23:04Haseena,
23:05I am going to talk to you very strictly,
23:07no,
23:08don't say that,
23:09don't say that,
23:10you have talked about Bangladesh,
23:12take three characteristics of Bangladesh,
23:16which is the secret of the prosperity of Bangladesh,
23:19their army is in the barracks,
23:21in the Muslim Mosque,
23:23and they are using relations with India,
23:25you also do this,
23:26half of your problem will be solved,
23:28okay,
23:29okay,
23:30okay,
23:31but,
23:32don't say that,
23:33talk,
23:34the politicians,
23:35the army is in the barracks,
23:36they are very good,
23:37what are you saying,
23:38Mr. Shabbar,
23:39I want to take your permission,
23:40what are you saying,
23:41Mr. Mufti,
23:42sorry,
23:43I didn't hear you,
23:44I want to take your permission,
23:45goodbye,
23:46to hang up the phone,
23:47no,
23:48Mr. Mufti,
23:49let the budget come,
23:50when the budget comes,
23:51we will give you permission,
23:52the budget,
23:53I will be there immediately,
23:54okay,
23:55okay,
23:56as soon as the budget is over,
23:57you will be with us,
23:58the ex-minister of treasury,
23:59Mr. Mufti Ismail,
24:00who is,
24:01thank you,
24:02thank you very much,
24:03Mr. Mufti Ismail will be with us,
24:04so,
24:05Mr. Shabbar Zaidi,
24:06we have,
24:07the last,
24:08the final comment,
24:09you can put us on this,
24:10that,
24:11we are getting so many messages,
24:12people are also messaging us,
24:13what should the salaried class do,
24:14I mean,
24:15apart from regret,
24:16is there anyone,
24:17I don't have anyone to give consolation,
24:18I am getting so many questions,
24:19what will happen to us,
24:20what will happen to us,
24:21you tell us,
24:22if there is anyone,
24:23I will tell you about the salaried class,
24:24and this thing,
24:25I have,
24:26very,
24:27very strongly,
24:28I have explained it,
24:29and I think,
24:30he has understood,
24:31what I have said,
24:32I have told him,
24:33that,
24:34at least,
24:35there is a salary of 2 to 3 lakhs,
24:36in their salaries,
24:37there should not be,
24:38any additional burden,
24:39on the tax,
24:40and I have promised him,
24:41that it will not come,
24:42this thing,
24:43repeat this thing,
24:44you were talking to Mr. Aurangzeb,
24:45to Mr. Wazir Khazana,
24:46what did you say?
24:47Yes,
24:48I was talking to Mr. Aurangzeb,
24:49and I have told him,
24:50that,
24:51those whose salaries,
24:52are 2 to 3 lakhs,
24:53in the tax,
24:54in the tax incident,
24:55there is a difference,
24:56there is a difference,
24:57there is a difference,
24:58there is a difference,
24:59there is a difference,
25:00there is a difference,
25:01there is a difference,
25:02there is a difference,
25:03there is a difference,
25:04there should not be any difference,
25:05there should not be any difference,
25:06in the tax,
25:07that was there earlier,
25:08And he agreed?
25:09For the one whose salary is,
25:10more than 3 lakhs,
25:11or more than 2 lakhs,
25:13or more than 4 lakhs,
25:15there are chances of increasing,
25:16in that,
25:17I don't want to make,
25:18any comment on that,
25:19before the budget,
25:20this is my position,
25:22the rest is up to you,
25:24my first part,
25:25with regard to Bangladesh,
25:26he may not have understood,
25:27I understood,
25:29he was so bright and brief,
25:30that I thought,
25:31okay fine,
25:32so I gave,
25:33I thought it was appropriate to agree on that.
25:35But the thing is that we should also learn some things.
25:43Now we need to settle our things.
25:49Either the politicians should end their drama and say that we have conceded.
25:55We don't have a choice.
25:56Or they should take their power.
25:58This two-boat power doesn't work.
26:00At least there is a square in Benago.
26:02Thank you so much, Mr. Shabbar.
26:02We will take a break.
26:03You watch the news headlines.
26:04We are with you.
26:05The budget was scheduled for 4 o'clock.
26:06It is 4 o'clock now.
26:07But the budget speech is still pending.
26:08Watch the headlines after the break.