In the fifth episode of 'Billboard Unfiltered,' Billboard staffers Damien Scott, Trevor Anderson & Carl Lamarre break down Cardi B & BIA’s beef from verses to allegations made. They also discuss Eminem’s return to rap with “Houdini,” the backlash he’s receiving with the Megan Thee Stallion reference, and how his career has evolved with age. The trio also dives into Drake’s music post Kendrick feud and more!
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00:00Cardi is so big. To me, her going on live and doing all this is like...
00:05She can't be at the pub of her life.
00:06Yeah, it's like so messy.
00:08Are you guys checking for an Eminem album in 2024?
00:12Yes, I am.
00:12Okay. I listen to every Eminem album.
00:15Wow.
00:16Drake jumped that thing into the top 10.
00:18It slid pretty...
00:19We're not talking about Sly.
00:23And we are back with a fresh episode of Billboard Unfiltered.
00:26We have Mr. Trevor Anderson back with us.
00:28Welcome back, Trev.
00:29Yo, what's up? It's pretty good to be back.
00:32How was Paris?
00:33Was it vacation?
00:34Uh, yeah, it was.
00:35You know...
00:35Passport on pivot?
00:36Yeah, you know...
00:37As they used to say.
00:38But yeah, it was nice. It was a good time.
00:39I appreciate y'all, yeah.
00:40This week, pretty formidable, you know, in terms of what we got going on.
00:45First off, Cardi B versus Bia.
00:49Cardi B, last week, she jumped on Glorilla, Megan Thee Stallion's remix for Wannabe.
00:55Had, you know, some things to say about Bia where she...
00:59Threw a little bit of shots.
01:01So can you break down this beef?
01:02Do you understand how this beef started?
01:05So, I think this is just, like, guilt by association type shit.
01:11Because, you know, Bia's team, Minaj, Team Nicki, right?
01:15So, you know...
01:15They had the remix and...
01:16They had the remix and everything.
01:19And obviously, Nicki and Cardi, we know about their relationship.
01:21But it's kind of simmered down for the most part.
01:23I think so.
01:24So we're still, you know...
01:25It's sort of like a proxy war now.
01:27Yeah.
01:27It's like, you know, the camps are, like, fighting each other.
01:30Rather than, like, the two, you know, superpowers.
01:32Exactly.
01:33I mean, yeah.
01:33So now Bia's kind of, you know...
01:35She's still Team Nicki, where she's, you know, gonna defend her at any chance.
01:39So Cardi came, threw some shots.
01:42And then Bia put out her diss record called Sumi.
01:45Hilarious.
01:47In response to Cardi's verse on Wannabe.
01:52But I don't know if you guys saw, over the weekend too,
01:54Cardi went on Instagram Live to address why she went at Bia.
01:58Pretty much, she said she caught Bia telling lies about her, you know.
02:04Stirring up drama, saying that she had been cheating on Offset, allegedly.
02:08Did Offset say that?
02:10Offset had put something in his IG story where he alluded to being cheated on.
02:15He didn't directly say Cardi cheated on him.
02:17Who else would cheat on Offset?
02:18I mean, it could have been just, you know...
02:20It could have been a misunderstanding.
02:21You know, lyrics.
02:21You know, a little misunderstanding.
02:23And Cognito and shit.
02:25I like Offset a lot.
02:25I doubt he's, like, getting that creative with it.
02:28I think he's just, like, telegraphing his life.
02:30This is very true.
02:32My girl cheated on me.
02:33Everyone's like, who's that?
02:34But either way, Cardi turned down those allegations.
02:37And yeah, we got Bia with the diss record.
02:41And here we are.
02:42Another rap feud.
02:44Cardi said, hey, we could keep it to record.
02:46And we could, you know, go track for track if you want.
02:49Are we here for a Cardi B versus Bia?
02:52Battle.
02:53I mean, listen.
02:54This would be, what, the fourth or fifth battle of 2024?
02:56I was just, you know...
02:58The third, what, female rap battle?
03:00We had Megan, Nicki, Ice, and Lotto, if you want to count that.
03:04That was also, like, a proxy war.
03:05Yeah, that was a little skirmish.
03:07That wasn't no, you know...
03:09Are we here for the Cardi versus Bia?
03:10Sure.
03:12Yeah, I'm here for any and all beef.
03:14That's terrible.
03:14Whoever wants to be.
03:16Fuck the P.
03:16He said that negative energy.
03:18Just give it to me.
03:19If you feel like you're better than somebody or someone's coming at you sideways,
03:23I say go for it.
03:24Why not?
03:25What's the...
03:26As long as it's, like, you know, on record.
03:29What's the big deal?
03:30You see what Cat Williams started, man.
03:31I know.
03:32He really kicked off.
03:32I blame Cat Williams.
03:34Why don't we bring this back to...
03:35Yeah, Cat, yeah.
03:35But that first week, yeah.
03:37God.
03:39Look, I know a lot of cats are going to say,
03:40I actually thought of you when, on the Bia record,
03:43when she talked about scrapping projects in 2019.
03:45I know.
03:46I said, I want to know what Karl Lamar thinks about this bar.
03:49That's been his M.O. since day...
03:52As the Cardi album defender.
03:55Right.
03:55What do you have to say about that?
03:56I mean, it's a fact.
03:58You know, it's a fact, but...
04:00But you're the first one to say, yo, she don't need to.
04:02She don't need...
04:02I mean, we could sit here and honestly say Cardi B is hotter than Bia, you know?
04:10Without an album out in five years.
04:11Yeah.
04:12I couldn't...
04:13It's not indisputable, you know what I'm saying?
04:15Irrefutable.
04:16What'd you say?
04:16What'd you say?
04:17Into the mic.
04:18Irrefutable, you know?
04:19And I love Bia.
04:20I think she's dope.
04:20Representing, uh...
04:21Massachusetts.
04:23You know?
04:24But as far as, like, if we're going bar for bar, do we care?
04:29I personally don't, you know?
04:31What do you mean, if we're going bar for bar?
04:33For a battle between Cardi B and Bia.
04:35I liked Sumi.
04:36I thought Sumi was funny.
04:37I mean, Sumi was funny, but the Bia record was trash.
04:40Which one?
04:40That's the Sumi record.
04:42I thought it was funny.
04:43I thought it was funny.
04:43It was mediocre.
04:45So, I mean, I was...
04:46Mediocre.
04:48I was entertaining.
04:49I was entertaining.
04:49I thought it was funny.
04:50I thought, as far as diss tracks go, I was like, I am very...
04:53Is that going to be in the upper Eshin line for 2024?
04:56Well, look, we are, I mean...
04:57At this point, probably not.
04:58But, like, it looks like we're averaging, like, a beef every six weeks.
05:02So we gotta take what we can get.
05:03I thought the song was funny.
05:04I thought she did what she needed to do.
05:07She hit on, like, all the pertinent points that people were bringing up about her as it pertains
05:13to Cardi.
05:15She was bringing up points that Cardi brought up about her.
05:18I like that she, you know, flipped the same sample as Like That.
05:26You know, all good marks.
05:28I thought she played it very well.
05:30Like, I think the big thing was people, when this all kicked off, the main thing I saw on
05:37Instagram were people being like, who is Bia?
05:40And I was like, damn.
05:41That's a tough place to start.
05:44What was the record called again?
05:45The joint, she ended up doing the remix with a whole lot of money.
05:48What was that, 2021?
05:50A whole lot of money.
05:51A whole lot of money.
05:52Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:54And she had the song with Cole, London, which was big.
05:56That was a great record.
05:57That was a big record.
05:58That was great.
05:58I mean, Cole bodied it.
06:01And that's the thing, I love Bia a lot.
06:03I think she has a great personality.
06:04I think she could actually rap.
06:06People don't give her enough credit for that.
06:08I think I just been spoiled.
06:11Sure.
06:14Coming in the shadow of Kendrick and Dre.
06:16The best rappers out right now went at it for a month.
06:20And now we're like, oh, we don't need that other battle.
06:24Well, if you're not going to bring it like that, don't bring it.
06:27I'm here for it.
06:28I like Bia's record.
06:29Even with Meg and Nicki, even though it was pretty much just one track versus one track,
06:35the level of messiness for that.
06:38And it felt more PPV.
06:39It felt more like a pay-per-view match versus like, this gave me
06:43Friday Night Smackdown.
06:45Cardi B versus Bia.
06:46It felt like that to me because I was just unclear about what was going on.
06:52My first introduction to it was the Cardi Live,
06:57which I somehow stumbled into as it was happening.
07:02On a Saturday.
07:03And I was just like, what is this?
07:06It took me so long.
07:07I had to like, you know when you have to go through the comments to be like,
07:10what is this person talking about?
07:12I'm like scrolling through like, what is going on?
07:16And like, there's other people like, who is she talking about?
07:17And I'm like, yeah, who is she talking about?
07:19And I finally like put two and two together.
07:22And I'm like, come on, Cardi, you're too big for this.
07:25Also, you think she should have took the whole, just not even respond?
07:29If you're going to respond, just throw two bars at her.
07:33She kind of did.
07:34She just gave her like a good.
07:35Yeah, I'm like, why do you need this?
07:36She was like, and then this conversation was this.
07:39And then showing screenshots of conversations.
07:43Once you're showing like screenshots of conversations,
07:45it's like, I don't know.
07:46It feels like you're losing.
07:47Yeah, that's fair.
07:49But you know what it is to Cardi's point?
07:52She did say when you start throwing, you know,
07:55accusations and allegations about my marriage and my family.
08:00She said we could keep it just rap when you start.
08:03Imagine like, you know, I mean, shit, like you got your shorty.
08:07Imagine like Cassidy saying, yo, I heard Dame without any street.
08:12You got to defend that.
08:13Of course.
08:15And this is no disrespect to anybody.
08:18Right.
08:18Uh oh.
08:19Uh oh.
08:20What you got a preface?
08:22Yeah, I was just saying like.
08:25Are they like, are they even still a thing?
08:28They are married.
08:29Still married.
08:30Yeah.
08:31Oh, I know that.
08:33No, you mean like, you mean I'm like legal, like.
08:35Yeah, it's a legally the most like.
08:39I apologize, Cardi.
08:40I know.
08:40I didn't know that I thought y'all were separated.
08:45I thought that.
08:46Yeah, I thought I thought there was like a like a two day separation.
08:49Cardi said like she admitted on the live too.
08:51Like, hey, listen, my marriage isn't perfect, but we're we're trying here.
08:54Oh, I cut off before that.
08:56I didn't get to that bank.
08:57Journalist.
08:58Yeah, well, I just didn't realize that there I was like, why are you why?
09:03Why are these allegations so damning to you?
09:05And you you seemingly don't even like this guy either.
09:09Yeah.
09:10Yeah.
09:10Like you hate seemingly hate offset as much as.
09:14She's still that's still the father.
09:16Her kids.
09:17Absolutely.
09:17Absolutely.
09:19But I still stand by the fact that Cardi is so big.
09:23That she to me, her.
09:26Going on live and doing all this is like.
09:30She can be at the pub of her life.
09:31Yeah, it's like so messy.
09:33And all these people who, again, were like, who is this?
09:35Gave her so many new fans.
09:37There's so many people who listen to the diss track.
09:39I'm like, oh, this is all right.
09:41I'll go back and listen to her other stuff now.
09:43And it's like, yeah, thanks, Cardi.
09:44You really like gave her at least a couple thousand fans off this.
09:50And you know what Cardi said in the live too.
09:52Hey, listen, I hope you really relish this weekend because, you know, I was I was going
09:58to say you're going to get some fans because that's right.
10:00Cardi said she needs to file a charity case on her taxes next year.
10:05She's generous, the fairy godmother, benevolent.
10:08Like, yeah, I know.
10:10But to your point, too, but Cardi acknowledged that I am too big of an artist.
10:14I am at a certain level that you are not.
10:17But hey, Petty, Petty's Petty.
10:18Petty ain't got no.
10:19Those are facts.
10:21Whatever gets Cardi to be dropping tracks, because I know that with this album that was
10:24not coming, is coming, might be coming like we don't need to get distracted.
10:28Focus on the album.
10:29Let it, you know.
10:30But if it does come with some hot bars, you know, we thought we saw like, you know, Kendrick
10:33drop out three, four songs we never thought we're going to get.
10:35So, yeah, maybe that gives Cardi a new battery in her bag.
10:38Maybe that gives her, you know, a little more mojo to get back in the stew and cook some
10:41up.
10:42Real quick, what did you guys think about her verse on the wannabe remix?
10:47Cardi's?
10:48Yeah.
10:48Yeah.
10:49It's good.
10:49Good, good Cardi verse.
10:53It's not like it didn't.
10:54Wow.
10:55Yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't like her verse on like tomorrow where I was like, oh,
10:59we're just change the whole trajectory.
11:02It right here.
11:03I hate that for Cardi because I feel like now she set the bar so high for herself.
11:08I mean, I know I've called it like a hall of famer when it comes to features.
11:12But yeah, she set the bar so high to where anything below that tomorrow to mark or.
11:19Yeah, she murdered that.
11:20But I thought the limit.
11:21I thought the verse was good.
11:22Like I didn't make me sit there and go like, oh, we could have kept this like a good verse.
11:27But I don't think it didn't damage her in any way.
11:29Yeah, I think, you know, but she's on like, you know, when certain artists go on these
11:34feature runs, it's like every feature, you're like just anticipating it.
11:39And you're like, oh, this is this is better than the last one.
11:42I can't believe it.
11:43Oh, my God, it's like, I mean, y'all just want people to just go up to the top.
11:47I call the way they just go on.
11:49I don't want to go on forever.
11:50But I'm saying you can at least go for a year.
11:53J. Cole was doing it.
11:54But you don't think Cardi like, like, like you think this like, like, like, like dropped
11:59off?
12:00It wasn't a tomorrow to verse.
12:02But you see, this is what I was saying.
12:04But tomorrow to the bar.
12:06I know it wasn't a tomorrow.
12:07What is it?
12:08What has been a tomorrow to versus tomorrow to like?
12:10That's the problem.
12:11That's the whole problem.
12:12Cast a hold of it to that gold standard.
12:14That's you.
12:15Y'all got the high.
12:16Not me.
12:17I didn't set that standard Cardi did.
12:18I mean, but like the fact that, you know, that if it ain't tomorrow to you might as
12:22well throw it in the trash.
12:23Dave said, if you ain't dropping 50 every day, I'm mad.
12:26Like, I don't want no 25.
12:28Don't let Dave be your A&R or your record label.
12:31No, we know Cardi can do it.
12:33We know she wanted to drop a 50 piece every day.
12:36We know she can.
12:37It's not like she's dropping.
12:38I mean, I just, I'm just, I'm just imagine Dave being your basketball coach.
12:44Excuse me for one thing.
12:46For one thing.
12:46Excellent.
12:47He said, he said, we'll Chamberlain.
12:48If you don't do one or two.
12:50I'm binging you all season.
12:52Excuse me for one thing.
12:53Good.
12:53That's good.
12:54I respect the push.
12:56I respect the push.
12:59Also, also I said it was a good verse.
13:02I said it was a good Cardi verse.
13:03You said it was cool.
13:04You, you, you said it, but your tone told a different story.
13:09Well, I had to like, remember it.
13:11Cause I was like, it didn't like, it's not one of those verses that just.
13:13So tomorrow too was a 10 out of 10.
13:15That's amazing.
13:15That's probably one of my favorite guest verses of the past five, six years.
13:19So where would this rank for you?
13:20Just one to 10.
13:21On hers or just period.
13:24Oh, one to 10.
13:24Yeah, six.
13:27I figured you six, seven.
13:29You pass with a six.
13:30Yeah.
13:31It's a D.
13:31Yeah.
13:3360 is a D.
13:35D you pass.
13:35I mean, yeah, but it's a damn.
13:36When you put, I mean, yeah.
13:37When you put it like that.
13:38To the nitty gritty of it.
13:39I'm saying after, after tomorrow, I was walking around for like weeks, wrapping up.
13:44Nah, it's classic.
13:46I would randomly just blurt out lines from that.
13:48Yeah.
13:49That verse.
13:50Like, you know, lines that would be like inappropriate to say like in a meeting or
13:54anything like that.
13:54But like, I was just walking around rapping.
13:57I forgot what she said on this verse and this shit just came out not too long ago.
14:02That's fair.
14:03Yeah.
14:03I probably played it twice.
14:04Yeah.
14:05I'm not saying it's bad, but it's like, it's not.
14:09That's fair.
14:11All right.
14:12You know, I still love you Cardi.
14:13Before we, before we switch.
14:15Yeah.
14:15So Bia was saying that she believes that Cardi stole her style.
14:20Sure.
14:21She did say that too.
14:22Yeah.
14:22Bia believes that.
14:23So when Cardi put out the like what freestyle, the video, they were fans commenting and saying
14:29that she kind of ripped off Bia's whole style and swag.
14:33And Bia, I think she retweeted that.
14:36Yeah.
14:36But just the comment.
14:37Yeah.
14:38The rapping too, or just the aesthetics?
14:40It was just the aesthetics.
14:42Because I was like, this doesn't sound like Bia at all.
14:45Yeah.
14:45No, just the aesthetics.
14:46I mean, listen, women in hip hop don't play, man.
14:49Yeah.
14:50It's not just bars.
14:51I fuck with that though.
14:52I like, I was going to bring that up.
14:54I like the fact that it's the women who are like, stop biting.
15:00Like the niggas don't care at all.
15:02You bite it off, yeah.
15:02Motherfuckers don't care.
15:03Like, I remember, you know.
15:05I mean, Juelz came out.
15:06I'm going to sound like an old man, but it's like, you know, like,
15:09it's like Ghostface on that skit being like, yo, these motherfuckers are biting our shit.
15:15Yeah.
15:15Like we, that shit is wild.
15:16I think Juelz came out a couple of weeks ago and he said, yo,
15:19Katz was biting my whole style.
15:20Like as far as like, back in the day with the bandana.
15:23Damn, that was like 20 something years ago, Juelz.
15:25Yeah.
15:25But he was saying it to this day.
15:26But it still hurts.
15:27It still hurts.
15:30He never got credit for it.
15:31To this day.
15:32But you know, I feel like, I like that.
15:35That's like a sticking point for them.
15:38And it's not just Bia.
15:39Like a lot of them speak up when they feel like someone's biting their style.
15:43They're the Michael Jordan meme.
15:44They take it personal.
15:45Well, yeah, but it's because, you know, like a lot of times we only feel like, like,
15:48we just want to make it seem like there's only room for one at a time.
15:51Right.
15:51And you got to be the queen bee or you're nobody.
15:54And so, of course, when, you know, someone's like coming for that and cribbing you to take
15:57your spot.
15:58Yeah.
15:58I mean, you know, it's like, of course, you're gonna feel that way.
16:01Yeah.
16:02I feel like it's way more to make it as a female rapper.
16:06You have to be so different and original than what is already out there for people
16:12to even pay attention and notice you and, you know, start following you and fuck with
16:18you.
16:18I think that's why we see such like a wide array of different styles and personalities
16:25and, you know, all these different aesthetics, because guys, a male rapper can just like,
16:32oh, I'm going to rap like Playboi Carti and just go make like three songs.
16:39People would be like, this is fine.
16:41Yeah.
16:42Have a whole career.
16:42This is like, yeah, people are like, this is just what rap is right now.
16:46Right.
16:47But if a woman were to do that.
16:50They call it out.
16:51Even fans would be like, why are you copying this person?
16:53And that was the thing between Ice and Lotto as well.
16:56Yeah.
16:56At the very early point of their feud, you know, Ice had felt like Lotto was biting off
17:03her swag a little bit, which is crazy to me.
17:04Yeah.
17:05But I like that they are maintaining that part of rap culture.
17:11Yeah.
17:12Like forcing people to have to be original, to want to be different, to want to do something
17:17that is wholly unique to themselves.
17:19I like that.
17:20You're just here for the shit.
17:21I like artists who, one, love playing the game.
17:26Yeah.
17:26Like if you're a rapper, then be a rapper and play the game.
17:30I think that's why everyone has taken to the Drake and Kendrick beef because they're like,
17:35yeah, this is it.
17:36This is a big part of what this whole thing is.
17:40It's like if someone says they're better than you, you say no.
17:45And then you prove why.
17:46That's the whole thing.
17:47Yeah.
17:48And so for these rappers to be like, you're copying me.
17:52Do your own shit.
17:53That's whack.
17:54You're whack.
17:55I love that.
17:56Because what we see on the male side is a lot of dudes who just sound like everybody
18:01else.
18:01Dress like everybody else.
18:03Do the same shit.
18:04Everybody else.
18:05Date the same people.
18:06It's like the same shit over and over again.
18:08I like that they're trying to be different and that they're putting a premium on that.
18:13That's fair.
18:14That's fair.
18:15Well, let's pivot to the king of originality.
18:19Eminem.
18:22I thought you were going to say Drake.
18:23Oh, I don't know where we're going.
18:26And I love you, Drake, but not today.
18:29No, no, no.
18:30Eminem.
18:31He returned on Friday, put out his first single.
18:34Houdini channeled his Slim Shady persona.
18:39The video clocked in at 15 million views day one.
18:44Four days later, it is at 42 million overall in five days.
18:49Cameos from 50, Dr. Dre, Pete Davidson.
18:52Alchemist.
18:53Alchemist.
18:56Essentially, he is back.
18:58But he also did Ruffles and Feathers because he had a controversial line.
19:01Of course.
19:01In the song where he mentioned the 2020 shooting of Megan Thee Stallion.
19:07We know he's like the king of puns, but still Ruffles and Feathers.
19:11So what do you think about that Megan line on Houdini?
19:14Yeah, when I heard the song, I thought, I mean, the sample kind of threw me off a little bit
19:20just because it was a little more poppy than I expected.
19:22It's abracadabra, Steve Miller band from the 80s.
19:25So it's sort of playing into this whole Houdini trick thing,
19:28talking about his career is going to disappear.
19:30I guess this could be his last album, could not be.
19:33My first thing is actually like a technical thing.
19:35Like for some reason, I saw it felt like Em's voice was low on the track to me.
19:40I feel like I really had to strain to hear it.
19:42Interesting.
19:42And I thought like, I don't know.
19:44I would have just brought it more forward because it just,
19:46I guess it's also with his personality being so outlandish.
19:49You sure you just weren't like faded in France?
19:51Just like.
19:52No, you know, yeah, I was completely sober listening to this.
19:56So there was no influence.
19:59But I guess what I saw with the video,
20:01so there's a couple of cut scenes a little long to me.
20:04But, you know, I don't know if it's going to go down as anybody, you know,
20:09anyone's going to slap it on his greatest hits,
20:11you know, at this point in his career.
20:13But, you know, fine.
20:15Dave, I think it's fine.
20:17I was never.
20:19I'm a big Eminem fan.
20:22I was never a fan of these types of songs when he would release them.
20:25He would always do these, you know, really poppy.
20:28Kind of like without me, real some jokey records.
20:32But even with that, it felt like a step, a step further than that.
20:36That's good because I think we haven't he hasn't done it in a while.
20:39Yeah.
20:40Even when he tried to bring back the Slim Shady persona years ago,
20:43he didn't try anything like this.
20:45I think he this is the first time he's really like tapped back into that.
20:48What sounds like when he used to have the Bass Brothers producing for him.
20:51And even the videos, I throw back to his old videos.
20:54I always felt like those songs were like songs Eminem made for the fans.
21:01He knew he had that didn't listen to rap.
21:04Like Eminem was the only rap that they listened to.
21:07Yeah.
21:07So he made these songs for them to be like, hey,
21:10throwing you a bone because the rest of this shit is going to be rap, rap, rap, rap, rap.
21:14Yeah.
21:15But I think it was fine.
21:18I think the Megan bar was needed.
21:21There's so many other targets to go after.
21:24It's like, did you?
21:25It's like you have to believe that he knew.
21:29I mean, there was going to be a backlash.
21:33And I don't believe he's too smart for me to believe that he did not go into it,
21:39knowing that this was going to cause some sort of backlash on that part.
21:43But that's fine.
21:47Yeah.
21:47I mean, you got to remember, this is the same guy he freaking made.
21:49Just don't give a fuck.
21:51You know, so he never cared.
21:53Yeah.
21:54If anyone is purposeful about language, it's Eminem.
21:57Right.
21:57Yeah.
21:58But it's interesting, I guess, just because like when you
22:01if you take sort of that first Slim Shady era, that Eminem show kind of dude,
22:04like, you know, he's obviously always been controversial, always known that,
22:09you know, he's going to say things that are going to rile people up,
22:11whether it's Britney, Christina, whoever.
22:13But I guess just given the trajectory of the career between then and now,
22:17like there's been, you know, a lot of introspection,
22:19a lot of tracks where he's talked about growing and, you know, changing and,
22:23you know, sort of apologizing for who he was in some ways and coming to terms with that.
22:26I guess on the flip side of that, now putting that bar out,
22:30like that's why I'm really I'm kind of surprised that he would, because it feels like.
22:35I don't know how those two things jive.
22:36Exactly.
22:36I think to that point, I agree with you, especially knowing that he's 51.
22:41Yeah.
22:42And he just married off his daughter.
22:45Yep.
22:45Like two weeks ago.
22:47Yep.
22:47So you are a father.
22:49It just could have happened to your daughter or just any, you know,
22:54woman in your life that you care about.
22:56So you do have to have some sense of decorum and understanding.
22:59I think, you know, and to your point, if you're like
23:03talking about exuding some kind of growth and morality, then show it.
23:09You know, even if you're trying to play to this flimshady persona,
23:13you could do it in a lot of other ways instead of trying to poke fun at a
23:18black woman who got shot and is still dealing with the trauma from it, you know?
23:23Yeah.
23:24There's just so many other targets for him to go after.
23:28I mean, he name dropped R. Kelly.
23:29He name dropped RuPaul.
23:31So, you know, pop culture, he made sure to get his targets.
23:35Yeah.
23:35Yeah.
23:36There's just an endless...
23:37In 2024, there's an endless list of people who you can take shots at.
23:42Are you guys checking for an Eminem album in 2024?
23:46Yeah, I am.
23:47Okay.
23:47I listen to every Eminem album.
23:49Wow.
23:50Yeah.
23:52I always check for him.
23:54I respect that.
23:54I think the...
23:55I respect that.
23:57The latest Eminem album that I think is the best, if that sentence makes sense.
24:01What was it?
24:02It was like a mystery or something.
24:04I'm bugging on.
24:05Oh, Songs To Be Murdered By?
24:07Music To Be Murdered By.
24:08That's good.
24:09I would put Kamikaze over that.
24:12Kamikaze, to me, is...
24:14I know people...
24:15It was like a weird time in his career.
24:19Charlamagne was like beefing with him for some reason.
24:21I forget why.
24:23But the album was incredible.
24:26He was rapping his ass off.
24:27There's some really good songs in there.
24:28He brought in a bunch of new producers.
24:32He had Tay Keith on there.
24:33Yeah, yeah.
24:33I think he had records with Logic and Joyner Lucas, right?
24:36Joyner Lucas was on there.
24:37He had...
24:37Lucky...
24:38That was a lucky me.
24:39Yeah.
24:41Lucky you.
24:41Lucky you.
24:42Lucky you.
24:42Got it.
24:43Lucky someone.
24:43Yeah.
24:44But Joyner, fire record.
24:46Royce is on there spitting.
24:49Great album.
24:51And even though it's like...
24:52Eminem is Eminem, so everything he does is gonna perform well.
24:55But I don't think it got the recognition it should have gotten within the rap world.
25:01I think the only person I saw who was publicly championing it was Officially Ice.
25:09Who was like, this album is great.
25:11And everyone was like, what are you talking about?
25:13But it was great.
25:15So I'm hoping that this album is like that in that mold.
25:22He got very personal.
25:23He's very boastful.
25:24Great production.
25:26Felt modern.
25:27Yeah.
25:28I mean, I'm just glad he's still able to push these numbers out, man.
25:3542 million views on YouTube in five days.
25:37It's freaking nuts.
25:39It's crazy.
25:39Yeah.
25:40That's kind of the thing that I think is interesting about Em's...
25:43Just in his whole career in the past couple of years.
25:44Because there has been sort of this cultural moment where people are kind of like...
25:49I don't know when it started or really why it started.
25:51But it sort of hit this wall maybe after second Marshall Mathers album where people
25:56were just kind of like, you can pack it up.
25:59We're done.
26:00We're tired.
26:01But then all the projects still resonate.
26:03I mean, great first week numbers.
26:05I was just pulling up, even in the past five, six years on Hot 100, a lot of these songs
26:10we're talking...
26:11Kill Shot, like you mentioned.
26:12Lucky You.
26:13Homicide.
26:14The song he had with Juice WRLD, Godzilla.
26:16Those are all top 10 records out of the gate.
26:19Houdini already...
26:21I was looking just in the US numbers for the Hot 100, it looks like it's about 30 million
26:25streams about midweek.
26:27So it's not like...
26:29This is not going to be a record that's ignored.
26:31I don't know how long it's going to last.
26:32But at least that first week, the fans are still there.
26:35The appetite's still there.
26:37And like you said, he's pushing 50s.
26:39And we've never really seen anybody in hip hop get to this age, still have this kind
26:44of success.
26:45Because I know a lot of people are kind of wondering, what does the golden age of hip
26:48hop look like?
26:50Beyond just your sort of legacy status and your honors and your LLs and your snoops,
26:54but somebody who actually can move these kind of numbers at this point.
26:58I know obviously Jay is the other one in the conversation, but we haven't seen Jay put
27:01out something in a long time.
27:02So the fact that he's 50 and still commanding top 10 records, that audience may not be what
27:09it was necessarily in 2000, but plenty of fans out there still ready to support, check
27:13in, listen.
27:14And even for a song that isn't getting glowing reviews, that shows just how much they're
27:20there, they're committed.
27:21And I'm really interested to see sort of what the full album picture looks like, just from
27:25that perspective alone.
27:26Yeah, where is he at?
27:28Like 12 number one albums or 11?
27:31Oh, you know what?
27:32Let me look it up.
27:33It's also Eminem.
27:34I think we have to take into account that he's white, right?
27:39He's like the best white rapper.
27:42It's like, right before he said it, I was like, oh, he's going to say this.
27:48As I said, he would release these songs.
27:50I always felt that these types of songs were songs that he made not for the Jay-Z fans
27:58who were also Eminem fans or the 50 Cent fans who were also Eminem fans.
28:03He made these for Eminem fans, a lot of which I believe don't listen to rap.
28:10This is like back in the 90s.
28:11I think now we have rap is so big now that everyone listens to it.
28:17And there's way more rappers, white, black, for people to latch on to.
28:26But I don't think we can underestimate how important it is that he's been this
28:32institution for a certain demographic of people that otherwise didn't have that star.
28:39And he's been the guy, the only guy.
28:43People have come and tried to take it away from him.
28:46They failed.
28:46No one's reached the heights that he's reached.
28:48And I'm not saying he's successful because he's white, because we've seen other white
28:52rappers try to get to where he's at, and they can't do it.
28:55So he's the pinnacle.
28:56I think it's like he's able to reach such a broad, he has such a broad church because
29:03of him being an incredibly talented rapper who happens to be white.
29:08Well said.
29:10Shout out to Marshall.
29:11Still no release date on, I think it's called The Depth of Slim Shady, I think.
29:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:17So we think this is-
29:18Is this a rap?
29:19Is it not a rap?
29:19We think this is the end of the road.
29:22I feel like, to Dane's point, he has already done so much in his career, and I get it.
29:29He raps for the love of it.
29:32He's somebody who treats this shit like a nine to five.
29:35He'll literally be in the studio nine to five, just working.
29:39So he treats it like a traditional job.
29:41He treats it like a job.
29:42He treats it like a job.
29:43He's a professional.
29:43He's a professional.
29:44He's a professional.
29:45He's a professional.
29:45He's a professional.
29:46He's a professional.
29:46He's a professional.
29:47He's a professional.
29:47He's a professional.
29:48He's a professional.
29:48He's a professional.
29:49He's a professional.
29:49He's a professional.
29:50He's a professional.
29:50He's a professional.
29:51He's a professional.
29:53He treats it like a traditional job, but I think for me personally, that's why even when
30:00you said you still listened to Eminem albums to this day, I commend you.
30:02They're good.
30:04I can acknowledge that he is still a Hall of Famer, A1 spitter.
30:09It just doesn't resonate with me because I'm 34 or 35 now.
30:17still appreciate it.
30:17Marshall Mazzedelpi, you still appreciate it.
30:19Shit, even Recovery, still appreciate it.
30:21Just the recent albums, it just doesn't, I don't know,
30:25it just doesn't move me as much.
30:27But-
30:27I mean, I remember interviewing him
30:28and he was talking about how rapping,
30:33he's, it's easy for him now.
30:35Like the actual technicality of rapping.
30:37He's the only one I know that could make,
30:39like rhyme with orange.
30:40Yeah.
30:41You know?
30:42He was like, the technicality of rapping is easy to him.
30:44It's never been easier for him
30:45to actually put words together.
30:48The hard part is finding meaning and context
30:53to impregnate that, those words.
30:56And as he gets older, you know,
30:58this is a guy who's been now been rich and famous
31:02for like-
31:03Half his life.
31:03Yeah.
31:04Longer than he's not been rich and famous, right?
31:07And it's like when Andre 3000 was like,
31:10I don't know what I would rap about.
31:13It's like Eminem-
31:14No.
31:15I can't give you that.
31:16I can't give you that.
31:17Cause Andre hasn't put out shit.
31:20He hasn't put out anything.
31:21Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
31:21Andre hasn't put out shit.
31:22But I'm saying like, it gets harder.
31:24At least Eminem's like finding things to rap about.
31:26Right, right, right, right, right.
31:27But it's like, to the point that you can't relate to it.
31:29I think the struggle for Eminem is like-
31:30Trying to find-
31:31What do you find that you can touch on?
31:34I could respect that.
31:35I could admire that.
31:36That he hasn't already rapped about.
31:37That people want to listen to, you know,
31:42and that sounds fresh and that it sounds good.
31:44There was like some like big Twitter argument
31:49that happened around Eminem where people were like
31:52making fun of a freestyle that he-
31:54Oh, it was that BET freestyle.
31:56Where he's like this-
31:57Is it the Trump one?
31:58Well, it was like, yeah, but it started off wack.
32:00Yeah.
32:01And I was like, people were arguing about that.
32:02But it's like, yeah, no one remembers that after that,
32:05he was like, if you're a fan of mine and you like Trump,
32:08like fuck off.
32:09Right.
32:10They only remember the wack bar that started it.
32:13So I think for him, it's just like, what do I do?
32:15Like, how do I maneuver this?
32:17And the rapping is not a problem.
32:19He can rap his ass off.
32:20It's just like-
32:21Finding that inspiration.
32:22Yeah.
32:23Yeah.
32:24And I will say this,
32:25I've gone to a few Eminem shows over the years.
32:26I went to his Coachella performance,
32:28I think it was like 2017 when I was around Beychella.
32:33That was the same year.
32:34And then I went to Gov's Ball.
32:35He could still rock a fucking stage, you know,
32:39which is not easy to do.
32:40Still got it.
32:41Yeah, he still got it.
32:43And he loves rap, bro.
32:44Like the one, few times I've met Eminem,
32:48I remember going to his studio in Detroit and, you know,
32:52he didn't know who I was at all,
32:54but he was wearing a T-shirt that had the album cover
32:59of Redman's, There is a Dark Side on it.
33:01Oh, wow.
33:03And I was like, I saw it and I was just like stunned.
33:06And I was like, I'm from Jersey.
33:07You know, I'm from, I'm from Essex County.
33:08This is one of my favorite albums.
33:12And he's like, oh, and we talked about Redman,
33:14but that's just like a regular thing for him.
33:16Like he just loves rap, you know, he's a student.
33:18And I don't think people appreciate like how much
33:22of a rap fan he is, a student he is,
33:25and like how, I think once he's,
33:28once he's like really retired and gone,
33:30we're gonna like really look back and be like,
33:31damn, this guy really, he really did it.
33:33Absolutely.
33:34But that's the, but that's the problem is like,
33:37you know, how do we tell people?
33:39Hanging out.
33:40Yeah, I mean, you know what's funny?
33:42I was like, you know, a friend of mine told me this
33:44not too long ago, and it's like, you know,
33:45hip hop is like the only spot where they-
33:47He's like, that's touching.
33:47That's real shit.
33:48Quit.
33:49Yeah, it's like, you know, you tell somebody who like,
33:51he's like writing,
33:52cause creatives always gonna be creating, right?
33:53Like he's probably been doing this for 40 years now.
33:55Like, you know, and it's always writing rhymes,
33:58thinking of this and that.
33:58And then to say, okay, you know,
34:00if you have any more ideas or something,
34:02just go pass them on to somebody else.
34:05Why hip hop do we have to be the one to-
34:07Cause you know what?
34:08Y'all don't ever tell a country,
34:10no one says Dolly Parton don't need another album.
34:13Nobody says Rolling Stones.
34:15It's only like country gets it popping up.
34:17And yeah, it's just like, okay, you know,
34:18it's just, it's a young man's game.
34:20Yeah.
34:21And you not a young man.
34:22It's crazy to be like, Eminem gotta wrap it up.
34:23And then when Andre 3000 is like,
34:25I don't rap cause I'm 50.
34:27What am I gonna rap about?
34:28And everyone's like, no, please.
34:29That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.
34:32It's like, you gotta find something.
34:34Well, who was it recently that was saying like,
34:36you know, I mean like people,
34:38somebody was like, you know,
34:40you need to find like what 40, 50, 60 year olds.
34:43Cause if you're a rap fan, if you grew up with rap,
34:45you're not gonna fall out of rap.
34:47Like especially the artists that you love,
34:49you know, just because, hey, you know,
34:51they got, we're the same age I realized
34:53and I'm done with you.
34:54It's like, we're moving in this era where, yeah,
34:56like there are plenty of 40, 50, 60 year old rap fans
34:59who want to hear from their favorite artists.
35:00I mean, there's gotta be, there's some, you know,
35:02nice ground, like, and I don't know if it's because
35:04Eminem's too commercial that that happens.
35:06Cause like clearly with Nas,
35:09some people think his last couple of projects
35:09have been some of the strongest of his whole catalog.
35:12So, you know, people would have probably told Nas
35:14a minute ago, like, yeah, bro, you can hang it up.
35:16And y'all would have never got King's disease,
35:18you know, the whole, the whole section.
35:20So what is it?
35:21Can I just pose one quick question
35:23before we go to the last topic?
35:25Do you guys think it is possible to be 60
35:29and a poppin' rapper?
35:31We're about to find out.
35:33Well, who?
35:34Jay-Z.
35:35Jay-Z, what, 52?
35:37That's it?
35:38Yeah, I thought he was older.
35:40I don't, I don't know if he could be 60 and poppin'.
35:43He's 54.
35:45And he's not too far off.
35:46That's, yeah.
35:46I can't say, y'all think Jay could drop an album at 60
35:49and he'll still be.
35:51I mean, but like Mick Jagger and him do, you know.
35:53Will people care?
35:54Yeah.
35:55Will people care?
35:56Yeah.
35:57Will he dominate the conversation
36:00and the culture in the same way?
36:03I don't know, but I didn't think that 444
36:05was going to do what he did.
36:06And 444 was like, you know,
36:08it wasn't his biggest commercial success,
36:10but it was definitely something
36:12that captured the conversation
36:14and captured the culture at the moment.
36:1647 when that came out, was it 2017?
36:19Duh.
36:20If you go back and listen to early Jay-Z records,
36:22the idea of Jay-Z rapping at 47 sounded impossible.
36:25Yeah.
36:26I mean, he's been talking about retiring.
36:28Yeah.
36:29Fucking reasonable doubt.
36:30Just the idea of him being there and finding something new.
36:34And I think that's the thing.
36:35He found new ground to uncover.
36:40And he really exfoliated all of these, like,
36:45problems and tensions in his life
36:49to bring us this new experience.
36:51And everyone was really grateful for it.
36:54I don't think everyone,
36:56every rapper does the work needed
36:58to make an album like that.
37:00I'm not saying everyone needs to go make an album
37:01where they like apologize to people
37:04and all that shit.
37:06But like, dig deep into yourself
37:09and find out what is the thing,
37:11what is the tension within you at the age of 50?
37:14Like, I don't think that's the work
37:15that people are doing right now.
37:17I love that we still appreciate old head rap.
37:19You got to, man.
37:20Say less.
37:20Trevor wants to cast a pack in it.
37:22No.
37:23Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
37:24I'm sorry.
37:25Oh, you want to save yourself real quick?
37:26No, no, I never said that.
37:28You're the one that said that.
37:29No, no, no, I posed a question.
37:30You said, I hope it,
37:32run the tape back.
37:32He said, I hope it's his last album.
37:34You told him to retire.
37:36I did not.
37:37You told him to pack it up.
37:38I did not say that.
37:39I never was saying that.
37:41I said something really touching
37:42about how much he loves rap.
37:43And then you were like,
37:44you got to wrap it up.
37:45No, I didn't say that.
37:46I said, hang it up.
37:47He said, hang it up.
37:48I said, other people.
37:49Oh my God, y'all, listen.
37:51I'll save you right here.
37:52So, to close it out.
37:55I'm going to be vindicated.
37:56Watch this space.
37:57We're going to have some fun with this.
38:00Drake is back.
38:01He delivered a feature this week.
38:03He is on this Canadian TikToker's song,
38:05Wagwan Delilah.
38:07I think we need to hear it
38:08just so we can respond to it.
38:10Wagwan Delilah, no I'm late
38:13cause there's bad traffic.
38:14I just showed my dog your Grammy's.
38:17Y'all talk about growing up.
38:19Yeah, so, I mean,
38:20this is Drake's second feature,
38:24you know, post battle with Kendrick.
38:28Post war.
38:29Post war with Kendrick.
38:30He was on the sexy rap record
38:31where he rapped, you know,
38:32on the BBL Drizzy beat.
38:34And now Wagwan Delilah,
38:36he's coming with his Jamaican accent flow.
38:40Thoughts?
38:42Do we like the record?
38:43Do we like the...
38:45I know a lot of people initially,
38:46they thought it was AI Drake.
38:48I did see a lot of AI Drake.
38:50I didn't believe it was a real thing
38:53until a friend of mine in Toronto was like,
38:55yeah, this is a real person.
38:56Yeah.
38:58What are your thoughts, Carl?
39:00As, you know,
39:01captain of the OVO fanboy club.
39:06It's not my favorite Drake feature.
39:10But I do think he was trolling,
39:12you know, I think he was trolling.
39:15I do think he has some shit under his sleeves.
39:17I think he has some bops that are on the way.
39:20I think this is just like,
39:22okay, post battle,
39:23y'all expect me to be scrambling
39:25trying to figure out what I'm gonna do with my life.
39:27I'm just here to show y'all
39:28I can still joke around and have fun
39:30because when the summer comes,
39:32it's gonna be time for me to drop some heat.
39:35And I thought he did that
39:36with the sexy red feature that he was on.
39:39Like he wrapped his ass off
39:41on that BBL Drizzy beat.
39:43So I didn't take this too seriously.
39:45I was just like, okay.
39:47I mean, do we know a lot of...
39:48I don't.
39:49Do we know a lot about this?
39:50Cause I sort of get the troll aspect.
39:52The only thing I'm surprised about is I was like,
39:53okay, this is actually a full real song.
39:56Like the record's blowing up on TikTok
39:59before Drake got on it.
39:59Like it's a real thing.
40:00Okay.
40:01So this, okay.
40:02Yeah.
40:03Supposedly the guy Snow Day is like,
40:05I don't wanna call him a meme rapper,
40:06but he's like a parody rapper.
40:09If you call him a rapper.
40:11Sure.
40:12TikToker.
40:13I think he's white.
40:16I saw like a few photos of him.
40:20And I, yeah, this is the type of music he makes.
40:21He's just makes like jokes.
40:23I've heard two things.
40:25Someone told me the song was popular in Toronto.
40:27Yeah.
40:28And another one, another friend told me
40:31that shit ain't popping out here.
40:33I was like, all right.
40:34Okay.
40:35Well, it's one or the other.
40:37I can promise you that.
40:38I don't know.
40:39I thought the Sexy Red song, which I liked,
40:42I thought the troll of him rapping over the BBL Drizzy beat
40:47was a good troll.
40:48It was like, oh, ha ha, look.
40:49Like, I don't take this that seriously.
40:51Cause he was rapping.
40:52Yeah.
40:53And it's like, but again,
40:57I don't know if this is like his strategy
41:00to like take things that were said about him
41:03and just lean into them.
41:06Cause this is the sort of culture of ultra response.
41:08Well, yeah.
41:09It's like you're, you know,
41:10fucking Kendrick went on a whole like half a verse
41:13where he's like rapping in this like weird Toronto accent.
41:15And then, you know, he says fucking crudy and-
41:18Especially when he's riding the cheese part.
41:20Yeah.
41:21And then here's Drake leaning into that
41:23and being like, yeah, this is,
41:25I am from Toronto.
41:27What about it?
41:27And this is how from Toronto I am.
41:32But then it's like the accent is like,
41:35when I found the dude Snow Day,
41:40I don't know how to put this without sounding offensive.
41:43When I found him, I was like, oh no.
41:46I thought it was like an actual,
41:47like maybe a West Indian person who's just joking around,
41:51but it wasn't.
41:52And so, yeah, I was like, this is just like-
41:54Not Drake about to blow up his spot.
41:55Although you're leaning into things, I get it,
41:58but like-
41:59You're proving Kendrick wrong.
42:00Could you have picked something a little authentic?
42:01You're proving him right.
42:03And I don't know if he means to do that.
42:05If it's just like he can do that and still survive.
42:09Like he can do it and be like, it doesn't matter what I do.
42:12It doesn't matter.
42:13Those things you said don't matter to me.
42:14They don't affect me.
42:15I can rap about whatever I want to rap about.
42:18I can rap about in whatever accent I can rap about it in.
42:22It doesn't matter.
42:24That's definitely a tactic.
42:27I don't know if it's going to work.
42:30I need to know if this is a sponsored song
42:32because that line where all the banks get listed real quick.
42:36I don't know if y'all got there to like, you know,
42:38TD and Scotia Bank.
42:39You know what's crazy?
42:39I did not even get that far.
42:40Okay, because-
42:41I didn't realize it was a full song until just now.
42:44Okay, well-
42:45It's almost four minutes long.
42:46I think it's like, I think 252 was the YouTube comments.
42:49There's a line where he like names like seven,
42:52like seven banks in a row, Canadian real quick.
42:54It like breaks the whole melody.
42:55And I'm like, okay, I guess Scotia Bank and TD
42:59and Toronto National and National Bank or whoever.
43:03I guess, yeah, they finna,
43:04did they pop up this song really quick?
43:07Like, let's get Drake as our unofficial mascot
43:10or some shit.
43:11I guess nobody wins if everybody's on there,
43:14but I was like, I've never heard of a sponsored song before,
43:17but okay.
43:18Yeah, I don't think it's anything to worry about.
43:22Like, I already saw think pieces about it.
43:23Like, oh my God.
43:25Is this-
43:26He broke Drake.
43:26Yeah, he broke Drake.
43:28I saw the trolls in the comments like,
43:30Kendrick, look what you fucking did.
43:33It's over.
43:33I'm like, let's take it easy.
43:35Well, then I saw Meet the Grams trending again,
43:37because-
43:38Oh my God.
43:39Just the photos of the family reunion,
43:40you know, with the, I guess on the dad's side
43:42came out this week.
43:43And so people were like-
43:44Those are old though.
43:44Those are from like last year.
43:45I know, but people thought like they were new again.
43:48So they were like, you know,
43:49Kendrick shamed this dude into like,
43:50go, you know, find his roots.
43:52I just don't think the, well,
43:56I don't know if
44:00the marketplace is as receptive to this stuff
44:04as Drake believes it is.
44:05Right.
44:06Like, I get the trolling part of it,
44:08but I wonder if he understands if people are like,
44:13ha ha, yeah, or like, ha ha ha.
44:16Yeah.
44:18That's a great point.
44:19Well, I still have faith in Drizzy.
44:23Yeah, I mean, it's still Drake.
44:24I also wonder though, like, where is
44:28You're My Everything?
44:29That's like a, debuted like 44, right?
44:31I'm not 100, yeah.
44:35I don't know if that's gonna be the,
44:36yeah, I don't know if that's gonna be the record to go at,
44:38which is crazy knowing that you got a Drake feature.
44:40I don't think that's gonna be the record to go
44:42on the Sexy Project.
44:43It's just crazy though.
44:44Yeah.
44:45I thought it was at least gonna be top 40.
44:46Not the Drake stimmy, like, kind of devalued.
44:48Not 44, well, you know, 40 to 44, come on.
44:53That's modest.
44:54That's not a big gap.
44:56It's modest, but it's like.
44:58Just needs a couple of.
45:00I thought for sure it was gonna be higher.
45:02I thought Drake verse,
45:05it's his first song after this whole thing.
45:07None of the other songs are still on the charts.
45:09But I will say, you know, something that I see a lot is,
45:12you know, your song versus you as a feature or a supporting
45:16means two completely different things to a lot of fans.
45:19Like there are plenty of songs where, you know,
45:21like you think it's gonna be higher
45:22because they got Ariana Grande
45:23or they got Post or whoever.
45:25This is Drake, bro.
45:26This is the guy who took Block Boy JB.
45:29That was also like seven years ago.
45:32But I'm saying like the Midas touch.
45:35Well, it used to be like, you get a Drake verse, boom.
45:38You're out of here.
45:40Yeah, but I mean, I'll wait until Drake's actual songs
45:43come out before I, you know,
45:44before we want to say the golden touches is dead.
45:46But that was the touch was like, he could takes a nobody
45:49and sexy is not a nobody.
45:50Sexy has had, she has songs on the hot 100 already.
45:53So it's more surprising to me that this one didn't do better
45:55because people are more primed to like her now
45:57than they were before.
45:59And Drake's been able to take literal nobodies.
46:04Yeah, but this is also like 2016, 2017, that's my point.
46:07But we're also at a point of saturation.
46:10You're trying to say he went from the Midas touch
46:11to the copper touch.
46:12My question is.
46:14That's a little, copper touch is a little greedy.
46:16But look, we're at a point of like,
46:19it's a lot of saturation, right?
46:20Like we've had a lot of Drake records in the past
46:22several weeks. A lot of Drake features.
46:23A lot of Drake, I mean, you know, and I don't know.
46:26I mean, I guess with the Sexy Red Project too,
46:27I've seen people kind of miss that it was coming.
46:29Like that, I don't know if it was just
46:32because Sexy's been out here on a lot of different things
46:34that, you know, it's hard to keep an album cycle together
46:37or realize there was a new project dropping
46:39because there's been, you know, people drop a mixtape
46:41and a deluxe real quick and a feature on this
46:44and a feature on that.
46:45And so I think that, I think it's just a little too,
46:47I mean, we're about to have what,
46:48a couple more Drake songs on the Camila Cabello album
46:50in the next couple of weeks.
46:51It's just hard to, I think it's hard for people
46:54to keep track.
46:55Because I think people aren't,
46:56aren't quite as like tuned in
46:58like they may have been in like 2018,
47:00especially when, you know, everything,
47:02I mean, we were post Views, post More Life,
47:04where I think maybe even just the way records were,
47:08there wasn't, you didn't get lost in the sauce
47:10quite as much, I think just because
47:12maybe people were a little more focused
47:14about what's coming out, what new Music Friday,
47:15this and that.
47:16Nowadays, man.
47:17I don't know, man.
47:18The number one story in music for a damn near two months
47:23was Drake versus Kendrick.
47:25Kendrick went number one.
47:27He's still top five.
47:29Correct.
47:30He's still top five.
47:30Correct, correct, all correct.
47:32The instant conversation after the beef was,
47:35what's Drake gonna do next?
47:36He even had to post and say,
47:38you know, this summer I'm gonna,
47:40don't worry, I'm focusing on the summer.
47:42People were anticipating heavily.
47:45I'm just saying, people were anticipating heavily.
47:47People were paying attention.
47:49People were paying attention hard
47:51to see what Drake was gonna do.
47:52The night that everyone thought
47:54that he was gonna have a verse on the Sexy Red Tape,
47:57Twitter was crazy.
47:58People were like, oh, I can't wait.
48:00And then the snippet leaked,
48:02and then people were like,
48:03oh, he's wrapping over with a BBL Drizzy beat.
48:05This is crazy, da, da, da, da.
48:07And then Only 44.
48:10I'm just saying, let's just see,
48:11let's see how the rest of the,
48:14let's just see how the rest of the year goes.
48:15Drake's not, I'm not saying Drake's over.
48:17I'm not saying he's not gonna be able
48:18to sell records anymore.
48:20You're just a little concerned.
48:20I'm just saying, it's crazy for us to make excuses now
48:25when before the guy used to,
48:27I think we're underestimating
48:29how much of a nobody Black Boy JB was.
48:32I'm tired of Black Boy getting these trades, man.
48:34I'm just saying.
48:36Why is it all about Black Boy JB?
48:38Because he was a nobody
48:39who Drake dragged to Superstardom.
48:40Black Boy JB, I'm proud of you, man.
48:41But that was literally like, that's one example,
48:44six Black Boy JB.
48:45There's so many, bro.
48:46All right, I'm gonna make a list on Billboard.com
48:48of all the people Drake has given a hit single to
48:53who did not have one.
48:54People didn't even know who these people were,
48:57and Drake helped them out.
48:58Well, look.
48:59That was his thing.
49:00His thing was like, all right, I got you, here's a hit.
49:01I agree.
49:02I just, that was a then.
49:05I'll give you the BBL Drizzy thing.
49:06I thought that was gonna have more people in the chatter.
49:09I thought for sure that it was outta here.
49:10Because, yeah, but.
49:11Cause Sexy, she's on fire.
49:13She's one of the hottest rappers out right now.
49:16She's like, what number on our list?
49:18Oh, two, yeah.
49:20She's hot.
49:21She's one of the hottest rappers right now.
49:24And you have a song with Drake, Post Beef,
49:28where he raps on a beat that was also a meme.
49:33And that doesn't go?
49:34I mean, but it's still.
49:35I'm just saying.
49:36Because it debuted at 44,
49:37doesn't mean there's not a chance it can't rise up.
49:39Yeah, let's see.
49:41Maybe they should issue the video.
49:42It goes.
49:43You know, and something's about to kick in.
49:45So, still got faith in you, Drizzy.
49:47Shout out to Black Boy JB.
49:49I'm sorry, Black Boy.
49:50I'm just saying.
49:52You're too late, man.
49:53Shout out to Black Boy.
49:54But it is, cause I'm just looking at this right now.
49:56I forgot.
49:57Three months ago, we had four bads,
49:59act two, dated eight.
50:01Drake jumped that thing into the top 10.
50:03I know that was.
50:04But also, it kind of.
50:05I know it was buzzing.
50:06It slid pretty.
50:06We're not talking about slides.
50:07We're talking about, did it make a hit?
50:10It made it a, like, that was that.
50:13Yeah.
50:14The top 10 hit after that Drake remix,
50:15just three months ago.
50:16I agree.
50:17You know, come on now.
50:18Well, we appreciate you guys sticking it out with us.
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